u.s. in more ways than one. plus, president biden tries to battle russian charges that americans are the ones spreading disinformation about russia. talk about the puck block. and flush the way, how former trump latest scandal is just inviting more comparisons to watergate. i am ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> a face-off is underway between canadian police and protesters as a blockade continues over covid restrictions. the so-called freedom convoy as it is now being referred to has ignored a ruling issued by a judge friday to clear the ambassador bridge, a major connection route between canada and the united states. this, as the demonstrations across the country answer the third week, and they have caused, as you can imagine, chaos for the canadian people.

[inaudible] shutting down $300 million of trade every single day [ between the u.s. and canada . vaccine requirements, it's important to note that more than 80% of the canadian public is vaccinated. 90% of canadian truckers are vaccinated. the canada trucking alliance said that a large number of protesters actually have no connection to the trucking to industry. so it really raises the question, where is this certain support coming from? i think i have an answer. look no further than america's number one propaganda machine, fox news. >> the canadian trucker convoy is the single most successful human rights protest in a generation. if nothing else, it's been a very useful reminder to our entire ruling class that working class men can be pushed but only so far. when they push back, it hurts. >> out of touch provincial

governments, drunk on their own power, felt that they could keep canadian subdued with these covid rules forever. but they were wrong. the situation in canada is a preview of what would've happened here if we didn't have a strong populist movement that listens to america's working class voters. >> wow. let's be clear here, it's not just the far-right media stoking the flames of division, the right-wing politicians in this country getting in on the action. >> let me say, the canadian truckers are heroes. they are patriots and they are marching for your freedom and for my freedom. >> i hope the truckers do come to america, i hope the clog of cities. >> hold on for a second, i really want to wrap my head around this. when did the republican party

suddenly become the party of protests? because, i'm old enough to remember back in the summer of 2020, they were singing a much different tune when it was the black lives matter protests that were taking place. don't let their sudden concern for human rights fool you. let's be clear about what they are doing here. fox news and their favorite republican sycophants are using what is happening in canada to further their anti-science agenda here at home. this week, the department of homeland security issued a warning that a similar trucker protest might make its way to the streets of los angeles this weekend, disrupting the largest game in american sports, the super bowl, which is taking place in l. a.. and now that the so-called freedom convoy has gained approval of america's anti democratic party, copycat convoys have sprung up in new zealand, and australia. signaling that this is only the beginning. we have a lot to uncover here, let's start in windsor, ontario with nbc's cal perry. he's been on the ground with protesters at the ambassador

bridge. cal, it's good to see. walk us through the situation there where you are. what are the protesters and authorities been telling you about what this protest is really about and who is behind it? >> well yes, so the authorities have been trying to work this out since last night. the court at 7 pm said the protesters had to go. there are flyers given out on. midnight last night about midnight, there were a handful of people here. police don't do anything, they start to move this morning, slowly and methodically and the protesters, peaceful as they had been throughout the protests, move back in the process. a lot of people left on their own. there is only one vehicle left at the request of the owner. the most folks left on their own. what happened then, when police stopped walking the line and moving people back from the bridge, folks from town came. it seemed like people heard on the internet that police were moving, and they saw it on tv. so it became a crowd control issue and the crowds became as large as they had been really in the last 72 hours. it'll be interesting to see, as i, said there was i have full of people here last, night it will be interesting to see if the authorities to move in

tonight. >> so cal, i just want to get a sense, i've known you for many years. you've covered a lot of protests in your times. a lot of political rallies, we are hearing a lot about the u.s. rhetoric here confederate flags, i believe, are popping up. these protesters are certainly getting right-wing support in this country, they're getting right-wing support and media airtime, explain the connection and try to put into perspective what if this has a broad public support behind it in canada like it does among the right wing in this country. >> your opening nailed it. there's a mcdonald's right here where is the place where we kind of go and they were watching tucker carlson's report that you played. they were watching it at the table. there is an energy here where people are looking for that connection with the u.s.. we asked people about the potential for truckers to protest at the super bowl, and folks said they would go and help the protests. the government will tell you

they are concerned about this. in ottawa, for example, the 9-1-1 system was overwhelmed this week. the prime minister says that the significant majority of those calls came from the united states. the funding for this protest, on gofundme, was shut down. so there's a concern that this kingsmanship, the yearning to have that connection with the u.s., with these trumpian notes, that we are seeing, with the flags, with the banners, the prime minister called this group the minority fringe. well they made hats already, the minority fringe 2022. there are these trump tropes that we have seen before. >> all, right cal perry live for us there in windsor, ontario. cal, thank you my friend. we will be checking back in with you in an hour. and staying on the story for a second, as we just said, this is a firestorm issue with republicans, which republicans and the right-wing media are actually choosing to poor gasoline on. my question is, why are republicans at fox news getting involved at all? why are they interfering with another country's affairs? let's talk to david corn, and

msnbc political analyst. david, it's good to have you with us. talk to us about why you think republicans have decided to inflame this situation, they've decided to run with this to advance their own domestic agenda here in the united states. >> i think the republican party has become just the party of trolling. it's not about legislation, it's not about ideas, it's not even about organizing and so here they see an opportunity, really, on social media to have an impact. there's something crazy going on in canada, that they can then export here we, show alliance with. and this is all they really hear about. what they care that the u.s. companies are losing hundreds of millions of dollars and business over the last week or two? did they hear that jobs are being cut in these places? do they care that car prices are going up, and already high

in the united states, they're going up now because of the shutdown? do they care about the american consumer? i mean, what is the endgame here? the united states, a lot of the mask mandates are being lifted at this point in time because that spike in the omicron variant has come down precipitously in a lot of places. so what is it that they really want? what is the agenda here for rand paul or ted cruise other than to just say, hey, we want to throw a punch in the nose of scientists and public health officials for the sake of showing -- i guess the bottom line is, you are not the boss of me. that seems to be the motto of the republican party. you are not the boss of me. with tucker carlson, what we hear, i think they just want to fire up the flames. look at it this way, you're on cable tv. what do you think fox ratings would be like?

what do you think there shows would be like if they're trucker convoy isn't shutdowns and occupations here in the united states? it would be great tv for them. they would love it. i think that's why they want to see this happen here. >> yes, suddenly fox is okay with protests and shutting down the economy and destroying peoples livelihoods when it comes to something that they think is politically convenient when it was black lives matter 's protest just a couple of months ago, that was anarchy. he said that they should call up the military. the hypocrisy is incredible. there's also this issue, the fundraising, this huge amount of financial support pouring in for this cause. i believe $9 million donated to gofundme which said that they've shut down the fund-raiser because it violated their terms of service. now you have republicans like texas attorney general ken paxton who is that they're gonna investigate gofundme's decision. why do you think republicans and attorneys general are so concerned with the funding of this movement?

they have no better things to do than to worry about donations going to canada. >> it's an important event. but how many truckers are actually involved? maybe a couple of hundred, at most. a lot of people are not truckers. a lot of people are not associated with trucking associations. the teamsters of canada, which have 150,000 truckers are not involved with this operation. so you're talking about raising millions for a very similar number of people. again, there is something about this trumpian cult that they are in favor of disruption. what it's not even -- i'm not sure there is a policy component to it. what's the agenda here? they are not in favor of agenda, they are in favor of the noise,

of the trouble. this is what trump has done to our politics. he has made trolling a troublemaking and shouting the main objectives of it. so you see republicans here looking what -- looking for the next big thing. and they are latching onto the truckers, but do they want to see them shut down the super bowl tomorrow? that would be the most un-american thing i could think of. >> somehow, that doesn't square up with their political ideology. we will see if they actually support it. who knows. david, stick around, we have a lot more to get with you later on in this hour. but for some more insight on this, i'm joined now by former decker medic congresswoman dinna shalala from florida. she was also the secretary of human services in under the clinton administration.

thank you for joining us. i want to get your take on the republican involvement. because on one hand, you have people like rand paul urging these demonstrators to clog up american cities, defending their right to protest, and effectively shutting down our economy in the livelihood of those that depend on these highways and transactions. these are the same man who like so many republicans belittled and admonish the rights of black lives matter protests to demonstrate in our cities and our towns. doesn't this reach of hypocrisy? >> and cynicism. because they're simply taking advantage of what's started was really opposition to vaccine mandates for cross border truckers, and they took it over, their followers took it over. they incited this. you know. it's nothing more than economic extortion. trying to override the majorities views, the majority of people in canada, support mandates. they support vaccinations, and this is an effort by the, not just the anti-vaxxers, the

vaccine resistors. it's about ending all public health mandates. it's not only against the scientists, it's against government in general. you can see the anti government flavor of this. it's really sad. and for american politicians to take advantage of this was -- to the flame under this, to suggest that this might be an international movement is tragic, destructive and totally irresponsible. >> can i go back to that point that you just made because i think that it's very important to remind our viewers of it, and we talked about how actually, i mentioned at the top of the show, the majority of canadians and truckers are vaccinated, 80% or so are vaccinated in canada. they are doing much better than we are doing here in the u.s.. 90% of truckers are also vaccinated. what do you really think this is about?

>> i think it's about ending all public health mandates. i really think it's about an anti government movement. and i really think it's about not just the narrow group of anti-vaxxers, but people who are opposed to any kind of a rule of law from government. it's broader than just about vaccinations. but it's a perfect example of where a resistance began by a small group that was taken over by a larger group. it's very dangerous. i described it as economic extortion because it's having an economic effect on canada and on the united states. and on exactly the people that the republican party things that they want to attract for

the next election. the populist groups. but to take this issue and to celebrate it with and what to turn it into a populist issue is really, totally irresponsible and dangerous. >> you bring up another interesting point about the economic extortion, and how it affects america, and the background to all of this is of course something we're gonna talk about later on in the show, that is the supply chain crisis that we're experiencing here. how concerned americans, how concerned should americans be, if this drags on? i mean, david suggested that $10 million a day to the automotive industry detroit which employs thousands of people, but it's gonna even have a ripple effect across the country. >> these are hardworking people. this is the middle class and america who have good jobs in the auto industry, union jobs for the most part. but it also trickles down into other workers. it trickles down their restaurants, it trickles down

to grocery stores, and that's why i call it economic extortion. it really is economic impact now. and that has nothing to do with populism. >> all right, former congresswoman, donna shalala, and former health and human services secretary, thank you so much for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> next, how biden is battling russia that americans are the ones spreading disinformation in the middle of the crisis? plus, a black artist asks how we can heal if we don't acknowledge who we've hurt. i want to talk about the spiral painting called critical race theory, next. what you need, and we gotta do it fast.

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100% on the need to continue to establish closer and closer relations with russia. >> what a difference a decade makes! that was then biden holding talks with putin back in 2011. and this was president biden just today, talking to putin by phone, a senior administration officials characterizing that call us quote professional, but resulting in no fundamental change on the russian ukrainian conflict. the two leaders have a lot of history. in fact, biden disliked putin

before it was cool. just remember in 2001, when bush started, excuse me, stared into putin's soul. and of course, who could forget he described him as a man he could trust. biden, though, on the other hand, wasn't so convinced, even 20 years ago, he said straight-up, i don't trust putin. but why can or not biden goes back with putin in a way he just doesn't with other world leaders, like british prime minister boris johnson, or fresh president macron, or even german chancellor, olaf scholz, who biden has described as no angela merkel. or at least, that's what some sources have told nbc news about his perceptions of the german chancellor. joining now to discuss this and more is nina khrushcheva, professor of international affairs of the new school, and great granddaughter of former soviet premier nikita khrushchev. great to see you again. i want to start by asking you about the current state of tensions, and all the details we have heard about today's call between these two leaders. what is your take on the recent

developments as of this afternoon or this evening? >> thank you, ayman. it's very good to see you again. it's very interesting that it is very different from the united states and the russian parts so the united states -- it feels a bit of a paragraph they have a little bit. and the website is that biden once again once president putin that there will be present very harsh consequences. and on the kremlin side, you can say that it was professional, it was tough, but it was very helpful, and they agree they would continue the conversation. so it is interesting that during this very diplomatic blitz for many months now, the russians are much more -- [inaudible]

>> in terms of the situation on the ground, nina, russia continues to say that they're not on the verge of an attack. and they're the ones accusing the west of hysteria and spreading disinformation, while at the same time, evacuating their own russian diplomats from ukraine. what do you actually think is going to happen here, from how you've seen this play out so far? >> well, it is, but though the american diplomats were evacuated before the russians so this is actually something that it's important to straighten out here that foreign diplomats were evacuated were ordered to evacuate before the foreign minister, lavrov, said a few days ago that they just began that kind of preparation even. so i don't know. i mean, it's actually interesting because emmanuel macron met with vladimir putin.

he came out, as you remember, on the seventh, i think the eighth of every. they said mission accomplished. the russians were much cooler on that, saying that, you know, micro needs to talk to them to settle this. and suddenly, a day later, we're learning that it's the 16th that is going to be joe biden says there's going to be an invasion. so i am not sure, i'm not sure what people in europe think. but maybe biden got jealous of macron making this, and in fact, the article that you referred to, the nbc article, biden does say that macron thinks he's -- and what biden decided not to give him that opportunity. i am not of a point of view that russia is eminently invading ukraine. i think it is very putinesque show force. you covered the 2014 remember. so you know how russians do it. and quite obviously, the face value reading of russian

actions is never, from my point of view, is just never a good way of getting your intelligence. it is true that on the 16th, all this military exercise, and ukrainian forces, would technically be enough for us to go into ukraine, which doesn't mean that they would go. and i will be curious to see if it doesn't happen, how joe biden is going to explain that intelligence. >> yeah, that's a really good point. you know, i actually was just talking to friends of mine, both in russia and ukraine. i did cover the year protests, i even went to the east during the clashes there. and some of my russian friends and those that i'm in touch with regularly, and again, this is very anecdotal, say putin doesn't need to invade ukraine to influence ukraine. he can achieve what he needs to do inside ukraine, with the money, with corruption, with politicians that are loyal, or are very close to russia, with its intelligence operations.

all of this is simply a show of force. the objective of trying to bring ukraine under russian control is not that hard for russia to do, if it wanted to do it in a way where it's not trying to flex a little bit against the west. and they don't believe that russia is ultimately going to invade ukraine. again, anecdotal, but that's what i'm hearing. >> but it's true, even, exactly, i know you know the area very well, that's why i'm sharing those thoughts with you. you understand what i mean. but it's not even influenced ukraine in terms of politics. i think this is also too simplistic, because as you know very well, just the fact that ukraine continues to be with this breakaway territories of donetsk and luhansk, it already makes it a victim of russia in a sense. i mean, all this show for us is for the united states, and frankly, the invasion doesn't happen, i am almost shocked that the united states reading

this intelligence in such pedestrian manner. in fact, zelensky, the president of ukraine, said the day of the 16th was announced, he did say we do have this kind of intelligence, please tell me, because we don't see, we don't believe it. we don't think it's happening. we all may be wrong, and it has happened, and it will happen. but so far, it's more like the united states is having its own operation kind of information campaign, so to make sure that first of all, if something happens, it wouldn't be the afghanistan withdrawal last day of august, so people would get in trouble. or if that happened, biden will say, look, i talk to putin, and really just start cooperating, and start negotiating from now on. so all these are possibilities. i think people in europe, more so of course than the united states, although it is the united states and russia fight

in a sense, sitting on a very terrifying. >> yeah we'll have to see how it plays out. i'm old enough to remember american intelligence in 2003, so forgive me if i'm a little skeptical of just hearing all of the current allegations by american intelligence officials. nina khrushcheva, thanks for being with us. greatly appreciate it, as always. >> next, down the drain, new reporting that former president trump was flushing official documents down the toilet, literally in the white house. stay with us. (sighs wearily) here i'll take that! (excited yell) woo-hoo! ensure max protein. with thirty grams of protein, one gram of sugar, and nutrients to support immune health. we're hoping things will pick up by q3. yeah...uhhh... [children laughing] doug?

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scene light as the great communicator. in fact, trump brazenly lifted this race from reagan's 1980 campaign, and then proceeded to brand his entire political identity around it. >> ronald reagan for president, let's make america great again. >> so comparisons between trump and the 40th president always seemed like a stretch, if not a complete copyright violation, as you saw there. trump seemed to have far more in common with another former republican president richard nixon. and and you're reporting actually conference this. the washington post revealed this week that as trump was leaving the white house, he took with him 15 boxes of presidential documents, a potential violation of the presidential records act. in fact, congress enacted the law in 1978, after, and in reaction to the watergate scandal. but while nixon was known for erasing tapes, trump, it seems,

may have had a different way of getting rid of compromising information. as reported in axios, new york times reporter maggie haberman writes in an upcoming book that the white house staff periodically discovered lots of printed paper clogging a toilet. and yes, believe the president was to blame for that. well, that explains this random comments he made in 2019. >> people are flushing toilets ten times, 15 times, as opposed to once. they end up using more water. >> [laughs] for more on, this david corn is back with us, and we're joined now by joyce vance, and msnbc legal analyst. it's great to have both of you with us. you wrote about this new trump scandal, which you point out, is not entirely new controversy. but one other trump's age where the scandal, there always seems to be an earlier tweet or video clip of him accusing his opponents of the very same

thing he is later accused of. that's true in this case as well. and just to prove our point here, trump in 2016 criticizing hillary clinton, and of course, her emails. watch. >> people have nothing to hide, they don't bleach their emails, or destroy evidence to keep it from being publicly archived as required under federal law. >> and here's the thing, david, republicans who gleefully attacked her for the way she handled government records are amazingly and remarkably quite about trump's behavior this we. is it too much to expect anything other than hypocrisy from the republican party, when it comes to preserving national classified documents and material? >> yes, good question. i mean, you mentioned nixon. and i'm thinking that, you know, nixon had a plumbers unit. it seems like the white house needed one as well, but for a different reason. the trump white house needed

one, but for a different reason. it was pretty clear at the time that the email controversy, even if you can call it that, was overblown. this is where people were shouting, lock her up, at the convention. and then at the trump rallies, and they still do so today. there are still looking to lock her up because of emails, but yet, there is no concern with those 15 boxes of material from the white house, that should've gone to the national archives. and the national archives, which we can to think of as a kind of a sleepy place, i mean, they do great work, i've been at the archives. i'm grateful for what they do, but they requested the justice department to investigate this. that is unheard of. i can't remember the last time the national archives said that they should invest, the justice should investigate a president.

you're not gonna hear anyone, michael flynn, or anybody else, saying they should lock trump up, because he was allegedly shoving documents down a white house toilet. >> yeah, i was gonna say, there's always been a positive or silver lining that the trump presidency, is that somehow it made us all learn about government agencies and various departments that we never knew actually existed, because somehow, he managed to touch them with his corruption. joyce, david's column supposed to be a question that i wanted to ask you about. can trump be prosecuted for violating a potential federal law here, that is the presidential records act? and if he is, or if he were to be found guilty, could that prevent him or lock him from seeking the presidency again? what's your sense of the answer to both of those? >> there is some legitimate reasons for presidents to maintain some of their records after they leave office. one of the big ones is creating

their own presidential libraries, and trump has already crossed that out as a potential excuse for his conduct here. so i would look for this to be the bright line on prosecution. if there's evidence that trump had any of these papers in his possession, in an effort to obstruct some sort of ongoing investigation, or to interfere with this functioning of government. if there are national security implications in any way, i would think those are the sort of patterns that doj might take an eye at this, and see whether prosecution is warranted. and then, your second question, as to whether a successful prosecution would prevent trump from claiming the white house, and that's a big unknown. we have the constitution, which is established as the requirements for being

president. you have to be native born. you have to be of a certain age. and the question that this raises is whether a statute like this criminal violation for the presidential records act, which says, if you are convicted of this violation, you can't hold any further office. would that have the ability, pardon me, ayman, to trump the constitution, and impose that additional requirement. and the answer to that is, we don't know. it's untested, and we all know that trump is a chaos president that steve bannon is on record saying he would like to burn things down and complicate things. what better way to do that that to have this sort of an issue hanging at the election. so i think doj will be very hesitant, and will only go forward if the evidence is extremely clear. >> joyce, let me pivot, and switch gears for a moment to another big news story that dropped on friday from buzzfeed. and it was the first report that former special counsel, robert mueller, consider charging donald trump jr. with a misdemeanor, computer intrusion crime, for accessing an anti trump website using a password he obtained from

wikileaks. that is based on a new version of the mueller report that the department of justice actually released friday afternoon, one of the biggest complaints about the mueller report, was that it didn't at the time, contain any reference that the team was even considering criminal charges against anyone. but now that we know, after we've seen this unredacted version, that the team was in fact considering criminal charges, but determined they did not have the evidence to back and indictment. what's stood out to you in this new reporting, and what is the significance of it for the broader discussion about the way the mueller probe has been, you know, described since it came out. i feel this gives us a new reinventing of the mueller report, sort of. >> this certainly reinforces what we all know, which is that the mueller investigation was not a witch hunt. something that the former president left to say over and over again. this was a careful thoughtful deliberation. in cases where the evidence was close, it was looked at

carefully, and then the answers of roger stone, a decision was made that he could not be prosecuted. but there's the evidence that equine there. the case of donald trump jr. is really instructive. they looked at him for a misdemeanor, access violation. they determined that there was likely sufficient evidence to prove all of the elements of the charge, but made a decision that the charge itself didn't merit federal prosecution, that it wasn't in the national interest. i think this is worth highlighting, because the federal principles of prosecution set clear guidelines for prosecutors to follow. and you can trust the trump junior misdemeanor to what we also suspect the o. j. is now looking act, the serious insurrection related charges. and it makes it very clear that serious cases, that have a serious impact on national security, should be prosecuted. >> all, right joyce vance, david corn, that's for spending your saturday with us. greatly appreciated. coming up, and ohio mayor says that ice fishing is a slippery slope to word prostitution.

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attention to where this could actually lead. i believe that every idea started as a small idea, and that's what this painting symbolizing a large idea, that ended a role from the small idea that we see right now. >> i wanted to ask about that. james baldwin, not everything that is face that it can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced. do you think the united states has ever truly reckoned with our racial history? we have never pursued something like, a truth and reconciliation commission that took place in south africa. are we in need of such a truth and reconciliation commission, to be able to move forward? >> well we need something. i'm gonna say, no, first of all. no, america has not dealt with this. i've been to therapy, you go to therapy at the very beginning, and they say, in order to heal, you have to start from the beginning. in america, you have to start from the beginning, and that's

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