hi, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian. thanks for joining us. a crucial call as ukraine faces an invasion, the white house says could come at any time. the president speaking with his ukrainian counterpart, trying to bridge a major difference of opinion between the two allies about whether russia is poised for an attack. >> we have good sources of intelligence and they're telling us that things are sort of building now to some sort of crescendo opportunity for mr. putin. >> the truth that we have different information, and now the best friend for enemies that is planning in our country. and all this information that helps only for planning doesn't help us. >> in a moment, i'm going to talk about this with representative jackie speier, member of the house armed services committee.

i'm also going to ask about the investigation of another committee she's on has opened into former pt. p's mishandling of top secret documents. the 15 boxes recovered from mar-a-lago. all of this coming amid reports that the former president's lawyer, rudy giuliani, is in talks to speak to the january 6th committee. that has to make trump nervous given that glun was at the center of just about everything that happened on january 6th. >> and the work and the president continues to focus on his big lie. other republicans are hoping to move forward with or without him. >> he has a chance to come back. if he continues to talk about the 2020 election, i think it hurts his cause and quite frankly hurts the republican party. >> are you considering a presidential run? >> the republican party that i want to get back to is the one that believes in freedom and truth and not one that attacks people who don't swear 100% fealty to the dear leader.

>> we're going to be looking at the potential impact of january 6th on the midterms for republicans and democrats as well. >> we're also keeping a close eye on the anti-vaccine bridge blockade in canada. later on, we'll look at why right-wing media is cheering on an effort that is costing american workers millions of dollars. >> we want to begin, though, of course, with the crisis in ukraine. the country on high alert as threats of an imminent russian invasion reach a boiling point. the president and ukrainian president, vladimir vulinsky wrapping up an almost hour-long phone call. the u.s. is prepared to respond swiftly and decisively to any further russian aggression toward ukraine. their conversation coming one day after the president spoke with russian leader vladimir putin for more than an hour. a white house official saying that call was professional but yielded no fundamental change as efforts to avoid conflict have stalled. joining me now from the white

house is nbc's josh lederman. in the last hour, good to see you, by the way, again. in the last hour, we talked about or we have been talking about the read-out from president biden, what took place in that hour-long phone call with vladimir zelensky. we're also getting a perspective, a read-out from vladimir zelensky. >> we're getting a lot more detail from the ukrainians than we did from the americans about the content of today's call. the ukrainians really emphasizing in their description of what zelensky said to biden, how appreciative zelensky was for the fact the u.s. has really been sticking with ukraine in the last number of weeks, saying we feel it. and noting the role that the u.s. has played in consolidaing international support for ukraine. if you think about the sheer amount of time that top u.s. officials, the president, his secretary of state, the defense secretary, and others have spent in the last month or so trying

to rally all of these other nations to do stuff that's going to be painful for them economically by punishing russia if it does invade ukraine, it has been the single biggest focus of this white house for weeks now, truly. the ukrainians also noting in their description of this call that president zelensky invited president biden to come to kyiv in the coming days, hoping that his visit would help be a powerful signal of u.s. support. no word yet on whether president biden has actually accepted that invitation. but we know that the u.s. is still trying to leave this narrow door open for diplomacy and to make very clear as the pentagon spokesman john kirby did earlier today that the ball is still in putin's court. take a listen. >> it doesn't have to be this way. number one, mr. putin could do the right thing, de-escalate,

move his troops away. and number two, as you heard jake sullivan stridently advocate for at the podium on friday, to get americans out of ukraine. they have an opportunity now to do that. there are still infrastructure, still transportation ways to get out of ukraine. they need to do that now. >> the u.s. government pleading with american citizens in ukraine to get on the next flight out, because they say no u.s. troops are going in to ukraine to mount some time of evacuation mission for americans who could leave now, have been told to get out, and decide at their own risk to stay. the pentagon saying the risk if the u.s. does send troops in to evacuate americans is there's too high of a risk that you end up in some type of unintentional conflict between the u.s. and russian militaries which would be a whole different situation. and you know what, yasmin, the ukrainians and president zelensky, they know that no u.s. troops are coming to rescue them, either, with zelensky telling biden in this call, according to the ukrainians,

quote, we are not a member of nato yet. therefore, only a powerful ukrainian army is the key to the security of the state. >> certainly a fascinating move to see the president traveling to ukraine in the coming days if he were to accept the invitation from the ukrainian president, especially considering all of the intelligence and warnings we have been hearing coming out of ukraine or from our u.s. government about ukraine. but we'll watch and see how that develops. josh lederman, thank you. >> want to bring in democratic congresswoman jackie speier of california, also a member of the house armed services committee and oversight and reforms and intelligence committees. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. looks like a beautiful day in california. we appreciate you taking the time. it's snowing here so we're a bit jealous as we see your background there. with that, let's talk about what's happening in ukraine. i have to say, i find it fascinating because while the ukrainian president has communicated to the world that in this conversation with biden

he says he feels the united states support, you can also sense that he is concerned about what he sees as panic coming from outside the borders of ukraine. this panic to evacuate the u.s. embassy, these warnings to americans inside ukraine, these warnings of an imminent attack. what do you make of that? >> i think he is speaking to a domestic audience. and i understand his anxiety about panic. but i have also seen many photographs of gray haired women learning how to shoot a gun. so this is not a -- this is not an experiment. this is not a play. this is a real-life tragedy that may unfold. and i think that president biden has done an extraordinary job of declassifying intelligence and

putting it out there and calling out vladimir putin for, you know, the games that he plays. and these red flag attacks that were going to be orchestrated are now, i think, foiled because we outed them. >> i think you're talking about the photo tweeted out by our own richard engel, those reporting from ukraine right now, the great-grandmother learning how to shoot an ak-47, which i found fascinating myself as i was reading it earlier today. general barry mccaffrey was on my program, and he talked about how he believes it was too soon to evacuate the u.s. embassy. that if you are committed to a diplomatic solution here, that does not send the signal of diplomacy. what do you make of that? >> well, not everyone's been evacuated. it's been family and relatives, i believe that the embassy is still functional. so that's a close call, and i

think the president made it in wanting to make sure americans were safe, just like you had jake sullivan speaking out and telling americans to get out of ukraine. there is, you know, with russia poised to come into kyiv 100 miles away from where their troops are with missiles, we're talking anywhere from 50,000 to 100,000 civilians who could be killed. so this is serious. and i think by drawing attention to it, the president's done a very good job of giving vladimir putin the opportunity to pause. now, what's critical now is to give him some face-saving gesture so that he actually does move his troops away and disbands this orchestrated effort. >> before we talk about what you're doing in the oversight and reform committee when it comes to the former president, just quickly want to ask you if

any discussion has been had inside the armed services committee about possible aid if in fact russia decides to invade ukraine, of military forces? >> we certainly have committed $2 billion to ukraine, and $200 million is on the ground right now in terms of weapons systems and weaponry that they can use. i think the president's been pretty clear that he does not want to have boots on the ground in ukraine. so i don't think that's on the table. and we're going to have to look at other ways, economic sanctions that could be truly crippling for russia. and now that the president has done a good job of uniting nato and germany in particular, relative to the gas pipeline, i think it's all giving vladimir putin the opportunity to think twice before going on what is a reckless and vicious attack. >> let's talk about the ongoing

investigations inside the house oversight and reform committee of which you're a member of, specifically the 15 boxes taken from mar-a-lago the former president took from the white house when he left washington, d.c. here's how "the washington post" lays it out. the journey underscores how defiantly and indiscriminately trump violated the presidential records act, documents both classified and mundane were treated with the same disregard and enveloped in the same chaos that characterized his term in office. what do you make of that assessment? >> i think it's totally accurate. this was an intentional act by the former president to take documents from the white house. he was fully informed about the fact that everything that he touches in the white house belongs to the american people. that's what the presidential records act is all about. he took all of that material. i am convinced that he intended to sell that to the highest bidder or to use it for his

coffee table book that he was -- that he's just published. so he's all about making money. and that was what he was trying to do with documents from the american people. what's really important to point out is people go to jail for taking classified, top secret documents out of the federal government. and he has the potential of being fined and being given a prison sentence for doing what he did. it was intentional. it wasn't by mistake. and that's the difference between his conduct and other presidents in the past. >> congresswoman, so i have to ask you, what do you know that we don't know in asserting that you believe the former president was trying to sell these documents to the highest bidder? what do you mean by that? >> well, that's my speculation. everything he does is to make money. so why would you take these documents unless you wanted to

use them, whether it was for this coffee table book he just printed that had the actual note from kim jong-un or the one he actually wrote to him. it was -- it was intentional, and it wasn't for public purposes. it was for personal purposes. i'm just personally convinced about that. >> finally, will the committee learn exactly which documents were taken and what was inside them, classified or not? >> i think by calling on the archivists who has the responsibility to retain these documents, that we'll be able to get specific answers to our questions. and i think there's a bill in process now called the past act that's going to require the archivist to inventory documents on a yearly basis rather than at the end of a presidential term to guard against this in the future. >> democratic congresswoman jackie speier of california, enjoy that day behind you. thank you. >> coming up next, everybody.

police in canada send a message to anti-vaccine protesters blocking a crucial border crossing. go home or go to jail. we are at the border coming up. and we'll look at right-wing media cheering on a blockade that is hurting american workers every single day. >> the freedom convoy is growing. inspiring. >> i wish i could have been there. >> they're taking a stand for freedom. aking a stand for freedom. ♪ what a wonderful world ♪ meet brett from apartment 2b. he's not letting an overdraft alert get him stressed. he knows he's covered with zero overdraft fees when he overdraws his account by fifty bucks or less. overdraft assist from chase. make more of what's yours. ♪ ♪ ♪

hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ trelegy for copd. [coughing] ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze driftin' on by... ♪ if you've been playing down your copd,... ♪ it's a new dawn, it's a new day,... ♪ ...it's time to make a stand. start a new day with trelegy. ♪...and i'm feelin' good. ♪ no once-daily copd medicine... has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy helps people breathe easier and improves lung function. it also helps prevent future flare-ups.

trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. take a stand and start a new day with trelegy. ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy, and save at trelegy.com. [♪♪] ask your doctor aif you have diabetes,gy, it's important to have confidence in the nutritional drink you choose. try boost glucose control®. it's clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels and contains high quality protein to help manage hunger and support muscle health. try boost® today. (music) ♪ i think to myself ♪ ♪ what a wonderful world ♪

yep, it's go time on the most reliable network. you get unlimited for just $30 bucks. nice! but mine has 5g included. yep, even these guys get it. and the icing on the cake? saving up to $400 bucks? exactly! xfinity mobile. it's wireless that does it all and saves a lot. get the new samsung galaxy s22 series on xfinity mobile. and right now, save big with up to $750 off a new samsung device. switch today.

welcome back. so we are still monitoring the situation on the ground in windsor, canada, where police are clearing out remaining anti-vaccine mandate protesters on routes leading to the ambassador bridge. which at this hour remains closed. cal perry for us reporting on the ground there. cal, listen, you and i talked about this. listen, monday morning is just around the corner, right? goods need to be delivered across that bridge. many needs to be made. people need to get back to work. so what's happening? >> well, they're working on it. i think that's their goal, it's pretty evident when i get out of the way. bill will show you. they have this intersection secured. the protesters are gone. the snow helped. you saw last hour, police were moving up and down the street, they were making some arrests. i think the snow has gotten some of the folks to go home on their own. what you're looking at, this road leads from one of canada's main interstates to the ambassador bridge. what they're doing now, you can

see the jersey barriers, the cement barricades, they're going to put them on this street so nobody can come from the side streets. the question that i have, the same question that everybody asked the mayor this morning, which is are you going to do this for the entire three kilometers? you have a small group of hard-core protesters that have made it clear that they are willing to meddle and mess with this traffic and to clog up the bridge and the passage of the bridge. it's a way to bring attention to their cause. they have said they will continue to do this. it will be interesting to see, as you're laying out, tomorrow morning, can they get this roadway secure? and even if they can get it secured, can they keep people from just coming back? that's going to be the big question as they continue to play this whack-a-mole game. >> mother nature can always help close the deal in instances like this one. especially when it comes to being on the border with canada, one of the coldest places on earth. cal perry, thank you. all right, when demonstrations over the killings of george floyd and breonna taylor erupted, their very existence sparked fury across

fox news. but the network's hosts seem to feel quite differently these days, at least when it comes to canada's vaccine protests. watch this. >> nobody joined the protest because they're, quote, tired of covid. they're tired of tyranny. >> for two weeks now, canada has seen what happens to a supposedly free people when they're pushed to the brink. >> they're going to, what, take the rigs, their livelihoods away from them? fine them $100,000 each? they're going to put them in jail for a year? to me, the answer is obvious. restore freedom, leave the heroes of the pandemic alone. >> by the way, the people that are losing out on their livelihoods are the folks on the other side of the border here in the united states, some of the car factories. many folks watching fox news. a very tune from what we heard a year ago when the same hosts derided black lives matter demonstrations as thugs and rioters. the question is how do we explain this pivot. with me now to help answer those

questions is a columnist for msnbc daily. it's good to see you. thanks for joining us on this. talk to me about this pivot that we're seeing. it seems very convenient for fox news to suddenly be supporting these protesters. >> yeah, so i think a lot of this comes down to, you know, their support or the ideas behind the freedom convoy we're seeing in canada. it's basically, you know, ostensibly protesting vaccine mandate for truckers but now has become a broader rallying point for any kind of restrictions tied to covid in canada, and then also become a hub for more extremist right-wing organizing. you see sort of symbols of white supremacy, confederate flags, nazi symbolagy there as well. worrying stuff, and it's becoming sort of a sort of fertile territory for the far right to sort of organize and

mobilize. so i think the idea is that we're seeing right-wing pundits in the u.s. seeing this as a way to encourage sort of massive action and mobilization, you know, in sort of response to the biden administration and the democrats in general. this could have pay-offs in the midterm elections and looking ahead to 2024. >> it's ironic, and we talk about this all the time, the anti-vaccprogramming on fox news considering all those hosts are essentially vaccinated. 90% of fox news employees are vaccinated but they fail to mention that. you have been monitoring and reporting closely on their vaccine coverage or anti-vax coverage, and you report it's getting worse. >> yeah, it's pretty interesting, and it's worrying. so a lot of people may not know this, but fox news is not actually sort of totally a monolith. they have their opinion shows, like tucker carlson, that a lot of people know about, that are

sort of more sensationalistic and propagandistic. but they also have a hard news division that actually tends to be less sensationalistic, more grounded in fact. and involves more traditional reporting. and what's interesting to see is that that hard news division seems to be pivoting more aggressively towards sort of anti-vaxer sentiment and coverage. you know, "the washington post" aaron blake did some analysis of this and found some of this sort of anti-vaccine sort of misinformation or misleading information seems to be bleeding over from the opinion shows more into the hard news division where you expect sort of less of that stuff in the scheme of things. that's worrying because it's suggesting at a time when you thought that vaccines might be coming -- might be becoming less politicized because most republicans are at least partially vaccinated, they're actually going the other way.

now it's potentially becoming even a greater source of polarization and could increase pushback in the future. >> thank you for your analysis on this. we appreciate it. coming up, everybody, we hope for a diplomatic solution to the ukraine crisis may be starting to fade. we're going to talk about putin's end game, and reports rudy giuliani is ready to talk to the january 6th committee. we'll be right back. right back. ♪ what a wonderful world ♪ what do you think healthier looks like? cvs can help you support your nutrition, sleep, immune system, energy ...even skin. so healthier can look a lot like...you. cvs. healthier happens together. with downy infusions, let the scent set the mood.

feel the difference with downy. what happens when we welcome change? we can transform our workforce overnight out of convenience, or necessity. we can explore uncharted waters, and not only make new discoveries, but get there faster, with better outcomes. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions, vmware helps companies navigate change-- meeting them where they are, and getting them where they want to be. faster. vmware. welcome change.

i earn 5% cash back on travel purchased through chase with chase freedom unlimited. i earn 5% on our cabin. hello cashback! hello, kevin hart! earn big time with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours. (music) ♪ i think to myself ♪ ♪ what a wonderful world ♪

as a struggling actor, i need all the breaks that i can get. at liberty butchemel...

cut. liberty mu... line? cut. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. cut. liberty m... am i allowed to riff? what if i come out of the water? liberty biberty... cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ so we're learning new details on the reports that rudy giuliani is in talks to testify before the january 6th committee. republican congressman adam kinzinger telling cbs's face the nation a short time ago that he expects the former trump attorney to cooperate with the panel. >> he's been subpoenaed, our expectation is he is going to cooperate because that's the law, that's the requirement. same as if somebody is subpoenaed to court, there may

be some changes in dates and moments here as lawyers do their back and forth. but we fully expect that in accordance with the law we'll hear from rudy. look, regardless of when we haar from rudy or how long that interview is, we're getting a lot of information. >> all right, so this is coming as another trump ally, former white house trade adviser peter navarro said he would refuse to comply with the committee's subpoena and invoke the infamous executive privilege excuse, which we know has no legs. i want to bring in adrienne elrod, democratic strategist, also brendan buck, former chief communications adviser for former speaker paul ryan, former press secretary for former speaker john boehner, and partner at seven letter. all right, brendan, let me start with you. we heard from adam kinzinger saying the expectation is they would cooperate given they're subpoenaed. we know just because someone is subpoenaed, they don't necessarily cooperate. that being said, do you feel as if rudy giuliani has kind of had a change of heart when it comes to cooperation and testifying,

or do you think he just wants to seem as if he's cooperating until he then claims attorney client or executive privilege. >> i wouldn't bet on rudy giuliani showing up until we see him there. and i interpreted it as adam kinzinger trying to get him on the hook. whether or not rudy giuliani shows up, we have learned a lot. i will say i was skeptical while i was supportive of the january 6th committee, i was skeptical they were going to learn much more than we didn't already know, but clearly, they're doing that. if you're rudy giuliani, it's not just wanting to be in the news and flirt with this notion. you also have to realize, steve bannon is potentially going to go to jail for not showing up for a subpoena with this committee. they referred him to doj. there was an -- in fact, they indicted him. so this isn't just you show up if you want to. the full force of the law is behind it. as somebody who worked in the house for a long time, it's good

they're enforcing subpoenas. there are real legal implications, and i imagine seeing what happened to steve bannon is weighing heavily on his mind. >> it's interesting because we have learned so much from document drops. mark meadows in particular, we learned a lot of what took place in the lead-up to january 6th and what took place in the hours on january 6th, text messages back and forth, so on and so forth, without even testimony. i spoke with barbara mcquade and she talked about the fact document drops could be even more possibly consequential even than testimony from rudy giuliani, especially if he were to invoke attorney/client privilege. tog about how you see his testimony or participation in the committee's investigation being. >> i think it's very important. i think brendan is exactly right. we have to bear in mind that just because you have steve bannon and a few other folks who have defied subpoenas, you're still legally bound by law and you will more than likely go to jail if you don't comply with a subpoena request from this

committee or from any committee. so i think it's definitely in rudy's best interest that he testify. look, yasmin, you covered this, the trump era for years, and you know how close rudy giuliani has been with trump going not just back to the campaign but before that. so i think his testimony is extremely important. i think any sort of text messages and documents that he's in possession of or that he was involved in are also very important. you know, he was a very close ally to president trump. he also loves attention, as brendan mentioned. and you know, i think him, you know, having some relevance again, going back in front of the committee, might be something he's actually looking forward to doing because he thinks it's going to get him more press. you know, i have no idea what's going on in his mind, but it would certainly be in his best interest to comply with the committee. >> certainly likes his name in lights in the headlines there. talk to me about midterms. i want to switch gears and talk

about what seems to be mcconnell's efforts to thwart former president trump's hold over the republican party. i want to read for both of you from "the new york times" here. as mr. trump works to retain his hold on the republican party, elevating a slate of friendly candidates in midterm elections, mr. mcconnell and his allies are quietly desperately maneuvering to try to thwart him. the loose alliance for months has been engaged in a high-stakes candidate recruitment campaign full of phone calls, meetings, polling memos and promises of millions of dollars. it's all aimed at recapturing the senate majority, but the election also represents what could be republicans' last chance to reverse the spread of trumpism before it fully consumes their party. will it work, brendan? >> yeah, we'll see. there's two things going on here. first, candidates matter. mitch mcconnell knows that. he does this every election cycle. he's seeing who are the people most likely to win. that's why he's going after

larry hogan in maryland who is very popular. he said he won't run. i'm from georgia and it seems like we're most likely going to have herschel walker as a candidate and they went along with that grudgingly. so mitch mcconsul trying to make sure he has the best field of candidates, but it's also about whose senate is this? how long is the tail of trumpism going to last? donald trump may go away in four years, but if we elect a bunch of donald trump supporters, populists, trumpists to the senate, trumpism may last for a very long time. i think that mitch mcconnell is trying to root that out now. he wants this to be his senate, not donald trump's. >> it's going to take republicans to step out on the former president. the courage to step out on the former president, even if that means him coming after them. the question is, will they? >> well, it's going to take nominating candidates who are more of the mold of the traditional republicans. and i think that's what mitch mcconnell is trying to do. you don't need to fight with

donald trump to allow this era to go by. i think that's what mitch mcconnell -- at least that's what mitch mcconnell was hoping. he's hoping we can turn the page by electing or nominating larry hogans and governor ducies, people who demonstrated they support republican ideas and have moral integrity, and that's been lacking. i think he's hoping if we can stack the senate with people with morals and integrity, we can move into a new era of the republican party. i don't know it's that easy but i think that's what's mcconnell is trying to do. >> if republicans are talking about how much they should focus on trump, how much power they should give him, right, democrats then need to be discussing how much they should be focusing on donald trump in their campaigns. and we know former president barack obama speaking with democrats last week essentially said stop your whining, focus on the positive. he said, and i quote, democrats have a tendency to complain about what we didn't get done rather than talk about what we did get done.

talk about what we are getting done. how do they make that calculation? >> well, you know, yasmin, brendan and i both worked on a number of campaigns. one of the top modus operandas of working on any campaign is you can run a two-track system. you're drawing a contrast with your opponent and talking about your forward looking message and how you're going to deliver for the american people. that's frankly what i think democrats have to do a slightly better job of doing. we got so caught up in the weeds with build back better and how much is it going to cost, and you know, what's going to be in the bill. right now, yasmin, we have a real chance to still make history if we pass the child tax credit, if we pass some of these really remarkable climate change measures. we have also gotten a lot of tough done. we passed a really historic american rescue plan, we passed a bipartisan infrastructure plan, and democrats are not always going out there and talking about some of the deliverables we have already done for the american people. so you have got to show that you can deliver. you have to show a forward looking message. but you also have to draw a

contrast with your opponent. you can walk and chew gum at the same time do the same thing, and i think we're getting in a better place, talking about inflation, recognizing the fact this is something that is impacting american families, they're feeling it in their pocketbooks in their everyday lives. we just have to do a better job of saying how we're going to fix that and what we're going to do to reduce costs for families. >> thank you both. appreciate it. >> coming up, everybody, one bellwether congressional race in south carolina is putting trump republicans to the test. >> up next, predicting what vladimir putin is truly up to in ukraine. that conversation is coming up. . that conversation is coming up ♪ what a wonderful world ♪ welcome to the eat fresh refresh at subway

wait, that's new wait, you're new too nobody told you? subway's refreshing with better ingredients, better footlongs, and better spokespeople. because you gotta you gotta refresh to be fresh with voltaren arthritis pain gel. my husband's got his moves back. because you gotta an alternative to pills, voltaren is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory gel for powerful arthritis pain relief. voltaren, the joy of movement. ♪ life can be a lot to handle. ♪ this magic moment ♪ but heinz knows there's plenty of magic in all that chaos. ♪ so different and so new ♪ ♪ was like any other... ♪ feeling sluggish or weighed down? it could be a sign that your digestive system isn't working at it's best taking metamucil everyday can help. metamucil psyllium fiber, gels to trap and remove the waste that weighs you down. it also helps lower cholesterol and slows sugar absorption to promote healthy blood sugar levels.

so you can feel lighter and more energetic metamucil. support your daily digestive health. and try metamucil fiber thins. a great tasting and easy way to start your day. what can i du with less asthma? with dupixent i can du more... yardwork... teamwork... long walks.... that's how you du more, with dupixent, which helps prevent asthma attacks. dupixent is not for sudden breathing problems. it's an add-on-treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma that can improve lung function for better breathing in as little as two weeks. and can reduce, or even eliminate, oral steroids. and here's something important. dupixent can cause serious allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. get help right away if you have rash, shortness of breath, chest pain, tingling or numbness in your limbs.

tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection, and don't change or stop your asthma treatments, including steroids, without talking to your doctor. are you ready to du more with less asthma? just ask your asthma specialist about dupixent. i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! (sighs wearily) here i'll take that! (excited yell) woo-hoo! ensure max protein. with thirty grams of protein, one gram of sugar, and nutrients to support immune health. (music) one gram of sugar, ♪ i think to myself ♪ ♪ what a wonderful world ♪

i have spoken with putin. i have spoken with every nato leader. i have brought then together like i think they have never been in modern history. nato leaders about what to do if putin moves. the question is, he knows, he has to know that if he does, the entire circumstance for russia changes worldwide. changes overnight. the cost to russia both in terms of reputational cost and economic cost would be profound. >> so as the situation in ukraine grows more uncertain by the day, world leaders are anxiously awaiting vladimir putin's next move. the president discussing the costs of the russian leader's

actions, but what about his motives? what exactly does putin want, and how close is he to getting it? joining me is masha gessen. thank you for joining us on this. we appreciate it. it seems as if moscow is at a stand-off, 100,000 plus troops amassed at the ukrainian border, and putin is not going to get what he wants, what he has asked for from the west. what do you see his next moves to be? what does he stand to gain from an invasion into ukraine? >> i think maybe the right question to ask is, is there a way for him to back pedal while maintaining what he has gained, and what he has gained is the attention of the entire world. he has presidents and prime ministering falling all over themselves, trying to get him on the phone to talk to him on the phone on a saturday, one after another. that's really where he wants to

be. and you know, this is the culmination of what he sees as the developing relationship between the united states and russia over the last 31 years, since the collapse of the soviet union. he feels he's finally asserting russia's place in the world and asserting that nothing can happen without russia in the world. right? never mind that they're deciding the fate of ukraine without ukraine. what's important to putin is that nothing happens in the world without him. and how does he back pedal while maintaining a guarantee of that? that's not directly related to nato expansion. it's not actually any of the stuff he is asking for explicitly. it's an implicit acknowledge that i'm important and i will never be ignored again demand. i don't know that he can get it. and without it, and without making it clear that he got it, there isn't really a way for him

to backpedal. >> so do you see this as being a situation in which invasion is inevitable because he won't get what he wants? >> i don't think invasion is ever inevitable. he does realize that an invasion would be extremely costly. not so much because of the sanctions that russia is being threatened with. i think that in some ways he has consistently profited from sanctions in the sense that it's mobilized the population. it's made russians feel more like it's them against the world. the personal cost to him has been negligible. i don't know that he's necessarily afraid of sanctions. but a bigger cost to russia is, what is it going to do with a giant country populated with 44 million people who hate him? right? who do not want to be in russia. so that's the big cost of the invasion. obviously, in addition to unpredictable bloodshed. >> i was speaking to a former cia station chief in moscow who

said to me that putin is operating from a completely different level than president biden, right? president biden is seeking out diplomacy and he's a through and through diplomat, 40 years plus diplomat, former senator as well. head of the senate foreign relations committee. president putin is a former kgb agent, and that being part of his dna makes him a completely different adversary. what do you make of that? >> you know, that's true on the face of it. one is a kgb agent and one is not. i don't know how accurate it is to say that they're operating from entirely different places in the sense that in the time that joe biden has been in politics, the united states has fought several overseas wars. one of them under false pretenses. one of them, he was not in the

white house, but one of them under president clinton without the sanction of the u.n. security council. it's not exactly like he's a stranger to the idea of foreign military interference and foreign interference and disregard for international law. but i think that they want vastly different things, and yes, they do have vastly different ways of negotiating. >> what is the likely outcome, the most likely outcome as you look at the situation now? >> you know, i don't want to join the chorus of western media who keep predicting war, in part because i'm mindful of what it sounds like to my friends in ukraine. every time one of us says war is inevitable, people in ukraine say, you're talking about us. you're talking about bombs falling on our houses. i'm not going to go there.

i hope it can be prevented. >> and that's exactly what the ukrainian president has been saying not only throughout the day, in the lead-up to today, as well as in his read-out from the phone call he had with the president earlier today as well. this is incredibly personal to them and it seems as if the world is not necessarily acknowledging that and part of all this is what they see as kind of the bluster of all of it. masha gessen, thank you. we appreciate your voice on that. thank you. coming up next, while republican congressional candidates in south carolina vie for trump's affection, one raised $200,000 in just hours. we'll introduce you to dr. annie andrews next. u to dr. annie andrews next

oh, man that is wrinkly. like, not even just a little wrinkly, that's a whole lot of wrinkly. i've got wrinkles on top of wrinkles! at least my shoes look good! help prevent wrinkles in the dryer with bounce wrinkleguard, the megasheet with three times the wrinkle fighting ingredients. ♪ well the sun is shining and the grass is green ♪ ♪ i'm way ahead of schedule with my trusty team ♪ ♪ there's heather on the hedges ♪ ♪ and kenny on the koi ♪ ♪ and your truck's been demolished by the peterson boy ♪ ♪ yes -- ♪ wait, what was that? timber... [ sighs heavily ] when owning a small business gets real, progressive helps protect what you've built with affordable coverage. if you have type 2 diabetes or high blood pressure...

...you're a target for... ...chronic kidney disease. you can already have it and not know it. if you have chronic kidney disease... ...your kidney health... ...could depend on what you do today. ♪far-xi-ga♪ farxiga is a pill that works... ...in the kidneys to help slow the progression of chronic kidney disease. farxiga can cause... ...serious side effects including dehydration,... ...urinary tract or genital yeast infections... ...in women and men,... ...and low blood sugar. ketoacidosis is a serious side effect... ...that may lead to death. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection... ...in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away... ...if you have symptoms of this bacterial infection,... ...an allergic reaction,... ...or ketoacidosis. and don't take it if you are on dialysis. take aim... ...at chronic kidney disease by talking to your doctor... ...and asking about farxiga. if you can't afford your medication,... ...astrazeneca may be able to help. ♪far-xi-ga♪

ready to style in just one step? introducing new tresemme one step stylers. five professional benefits. one simple step. totally effortless. styling has never been easier. tresemme. do it with style. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ (music)

♪ i think to myself ♪ ♪ what a wonderful world ♪ i'm in flont front of trump tower. i was one of his earliest supporters. i worked for the campaign in 2016. i worked at seven states across the country to help get him elected. i supported him in 2020 because of policies i believed in. as a strong fiscal conservative, i believe in putting america first. >> that was south carolina congresswoman nancy mace in front of trump tower one day after the former president endorsed her opponent. whoever gop voters nominate could face a local pediatrician and mom, dr. annie andrews, who

raised more than $200,000 hours after announcing her campaign with the following video. here is a piece of it. >> some days in here can be pretty tough. i've seen lungs filled with covid. kids fighting cancer. a teenager who had been shot in the spine. i was the one to tell him he would never walk again. since i was a little girl, i always wanted to be a doctor. >> dr. annie andrews is joining me now. thanks for joining us. we appreciate it. i want to get your reaction to the video we played of nancy mace. talk us through that. >> sure. thank you for having me. nothing says low country first like a trip to manhattan. i was embarrassed. the fact that nancy traveled to new york city to bow to the

alter of donald trump tells you what you need to know. she doesn't care about the issues that are facing people in our district. issues like flooding and infrastructure and inflation, getting out of this pandemic. if she has to grovel at the feet of donald trump, then she will do that. there are some things worth losing for. keeping your self-respect and dignity should be one of those things. it's ironic to me. one of the reasons i got engaged in politics was the election of donald trump. my youngest daughter was days old and i remember being horrified thinking about the state of the world i was bringing my children into. now i find myself in this race with these two women who are clamoring over each other for donald trump's support and affection and approval. nancy and katie are running to be donald trump's voice. i'm running to be the voice of the low country. >> you have record fund-raising numbers here.

$500,000, the most money raised by a congressional challenger in the first quarter in south carolina. why do you think there is so much interest in your run, so much backing behind you? >> so people are excited about our campaign because they are tired of the extremist policies of the right wing. they are ready for pragmatic solution focused leadership. that's what i will bring. also, as a physician, people are interested in what health care providers have to say about the direction of the country. we have had a lot of support from doctors and other health care providers all across this country. we are thrilled with the amount of support, energy and momentum behind our campaign. >> if you win this seat, will you continue to practice medicine? >> so my goal is to go up to washington, solve some problems. i'm going to enforce term limits on myself, three terms. then i want to come back and be a mom and a doctor. i love my job as a pediatrician

at children's hospital. >> how do you see your chances against nancy? she won her last race by 1%. how do you stack up? how do you see yourself stacking up? >> this is a very, very winnable seat. this district rejected the extremist policies of katie. this is a seat we can get back. we feel great about our prospects. people are tired of the extremist right wing policies. >> you are leading with being a physician. we played some of the ad. we know health care professionals have been front and center. why do you feel that's so important? >> folks who are making decisions about public health crises like covid need to understand the data and the science. i have seen time and time again our leaders ignoring those in

our community with expertise. i feel like those of white house have that background need a seat at the table and a voice when decisions are being made. >> dr. annie andrews, we wish you the best of luck. thank you for joining us on this sunday afternoon. we appreciate it. that wraps up the hour for me. i will be back next saturday and sunday at 3:00 p.m. eastern. coverage continues ahead on msnbc. ahead on ahead on msnbc. yes! ahead on msnbc. 2b's covered with zero overdraft fees when he overdraws his account by fifty bucks or less. and 2c, well, she's not going to let a lost card get her stressed. am i right? that's right. that's because these neighbors all have chase. alerts that help check. tools that help protect. one bank that puts you in control. chase. make more of what's yours. liz, you nerd, cough if you're in here! shh! i took mucinex dm for my phlegmy cough. what about rob's dry cough? works on that too, and lasts 12 hours.

12 hours?! who studies that long? mucinex dm relieves wet and dry coughs. ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire age is just a number. and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health. versus 16 grams in ensure high protein.

boost® high protein also has key nutrients for immune support. boost® high protein. what happens when we welcome change? we can make emergency medicine possible at 40,000 feet. instead of burning our past for power, we can harness the energy of the tiny electron. we can create new ways to connect. rethinking how we communicate to be more inclusive than ever. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions, vmware helps companies navigate change. faster. vmware. welcome change. (vo) america's most reliable network is going ultra! with verizon 5g ultra wideband now in many more cities. hey, it's mindy! downloading a movie up to 10 times faster than before. whoa! is that done? (mindy) yep! (vo) verizon is going ultra, so you can too.

good evening. tonight's lead, enemies within and without. right now, it seems like we are watching another border for signs of an invasion. as the biden white house and its allies gird for potential invasion of ukraine by russia, president biden continues to huddle with european leaders speaking this morning with the ukrainian president about the hope for diplomacy and deescalation after yesterday's call with russian president vladimir putin ended mostly in a stalemate. of course, some of the same conservative patriots calling the president weak over the situation in ukraine are the same ones