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reports" in washington with big new developments on the ukraine crisis. and the kremlin claims some of the troops are returning to the gaurson. but there's no satellite evidence to back that up. military exercises are continuing in belarus, possibly as cover for an invasion. and russian war ships are conducting more drills in the black seas. president biden with france's president macron and to prepare for all scenarios. they've been leading what it is calling tiger teams. table top exercises to lay out options and gain putin's likely responses. we organized our own table top of former national security officials this morning and we'll take you inside to see how it went. on the coronavirus
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california is lifting statewide mask mandate. a 12% drop in daily deaths in recent weeks. and news on the trump organization finances. after the long-time accounting firm cut its ties with mr. trump and his family-owned company, calling a decade of financial statements made on his company's behalf unreliable but not concluding there are any material discrepancies. let's begin with new developments in russia and ukraine. joining me is correspondent, richard engel, peter alexander. retired four-star general, mccaffrey. and "the new york times" diplomatic correspondent, richard crowley. there is spectism is over russia's claims they're moving troops back over the border to garrisons. what are you hearing to make you
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think perhaps he's stepping back from the brink? >> reporter: well, ukrainian aren't convinced he's stepping back from the brink. there's a developing situation where there's what appears to be a cyber attack with the cyber command saying two major banks have experienced service attacks, along with two websites, one the ministry of defense and the other representing the armed services. we wept to the ministry of defense website and it is down and shows it's a site under maintenance. they say the service attack was largely unsuccessful and that the banks are not reporting any compromise financial information but their interface applications are experiencing difficulties. we've been inside the cyber
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command and the cyber command headquarters and directors told us most of the attacks that they face here -- there's already a high level of attacks, they attribute to state actors, to russia in particular. so, that's a developing situation that adds to the developing tension because they've all warned if russia were to take military action, that cyber could be used in concert with it or as a precursor to a military action. earlier today i spoke with a senior ukrainian official who said -- was quite dismissive of these reports from russia that it is pulling back from the ukrainian border. russia has claimed -- made the same claim three times since december. dwlet build up has continued. pretty much without interruption. and the officials said just as russia pulls back troops, it can put them back on the border at
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time and place of its choosing. and finally vladimir putin speaking with the german chancellor. if you listened to what he said, there was very little room for optimism. he did not suggest he was backing down. he insisted on his core demand, which remains unchanged that ukraine never be allowed to join nato. and he said the u.s. and nato are ignoring this demand and it needs to be addressed urgently. >> and general mccaffrey, what is your initial reaction that the troops are pulling back as richard has claimed that before. they're continuing their military drills. and i'm sure tony blinken and sullivan are both saying let's see evidence of deescalation. >> it's astonishing the level of video coverage of this russian build up in belarus and on the russian border reveals.
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last night i was watching video of what purports to be russian self propel artillery road margining into final positions and you can see approach marches of the missile. on the face of it, all the tools are here for a multifaceted attack, air, land, sea from the southeast and the north to take down ukraine. it may well be that putin has missed his opportunity to have some kind of a bolt out of the blue attack and sees for example the two break away provinces and create a land bridge up to the east. no one really knows the situation should be viewed as dire. the capability for the greatest tragedy since world war ii in europe is clearly there with millions of refugees to the west and considerable loss of life.
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ukrainians have a quarter of a million men under arms. they will fight. >> and michael crowley, there's been a change of tone. we see more talks, more urgent talks in the last 36 hours from putin, from lavrov but continuing with the same demands. the same demands that we've all been talking about since january with this treaty, this nonnegotiable treaty that nato -- any chance of ever getting into nato, which would be down the road anyway. >> and there's never been clear if that's enough for putin. because that's not his only demand. the kremlin wrote up a mock treaty that they were hoping the u.s. would sign on to with sweeping demands including nato's military posture across
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europe, essentially trying to roll nato back to a 1997 state of being. and there were hints that, from within ukraine, that maybe there was onrangement where everyone understands ukraine is not going to join nato. that's a small percentage of what putin has asked for. as we try to interpret this new tone and i would say form lavrov, in particular, made it seem like he thought there was promising diplomatic conclusions on the table. there's very little where putin could say he accomplished something with all this build up. it's quite an enormous drum roll. even if he were to get an assurance they weren't going to join nato in the next several years, it's a small part of what he asked for and difficult to see him climbing down with just
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that in hand. for i have to say it still looks pretty bleak. >> and the "washington post" preporting what they're calling tiger teams running table top exercises. in preparation for an invasion or a retreat for all scenarios. this is not just a war game. and just had a good solid conversation for more than an hour. we will be exerting that r part of that to show you later pon this is something administrations, national security councils have done. that's why we organize it because we know this is the way to prepare for all eventualities. >> that's exactly right. the mission is to have a playbook in preparation for any one of the scenarios that could play out, beginning as soon as today, frankly. the white house is repeatedly reminded us that any invasion could happen this week. even before the end of the winter olympics, as some
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speculates. i'm told there have been at least of the table top exercises taking place. this tiger team meeting privately. for it's a diverse group of experts on this. and one of the experts included members of president biden's cabinet. they have been multiple long hour exercises. it shows the level of preparation in place for a variety of scenarios, as we noted. which is a significant change. and afghanistan, where this administration really appeared very caught off guard by the situation that played out there. not consulting america's allies. we say that as we see president biden speaking to emmanuel macron. so, that took place over a series of days, the most recent i'm told taking place very recently.
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it's something they continue to hone in on as we speak. >> and you've spent time in ukraine very recently. you know how -- the people of ukraine with all the mixed signals is part of the equation. what kind of insurgency they would mount, how they would go up against russian forces. how do you see this playing out on the ground if he were to cross into ukraine? >> president zelensky is not a career politician. he's a comedian who played a president on television and then became that person in real life. he's been wavering some but i think ukraine as a whole is united more than it ever has been against this russian
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threat. my sense, on the larger question we're discussing, is that it's clear from the last two days that putin wants to be seen as engaging in some kind of diplomatic discussion. even as he keeps the gun cocked, so to speak, at ukraine's head. there may be modest withdrawals of forces as russia defense officials have said. but the bulk of the force remains. i think putin may be entering a phrase u.s. officials may have been expecting, which you call coersive diplomacy. let's see if you can rally them into more statements, suggesting maybe they could live without nato membership. i think the high pressure, high tension diplomacy while the troops are on alert may be what
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we're likely to see for some days, maybe weeks. >> and this could go on for the long hall. he can sustain it longer than people think. that's one of the conclusions we drew earlier today. more on that coming up. thank you for setting the table for us. and why president trump's accounting firm is cutting ties with him and his organization. what that could signal about the investigation into the former president's finances. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. reports" only on msnbc find the right tech solutions. so you can stop at nothing for your customers.
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relied upon. a trump spokesman is quote, mazars' work was performed in accordance with-applicable accounting standards and principals and that such statements financial condition do not contain any material discrepancies. joining me is nbc investigations correspondent, tom winter, chief correspondent and former u.s. attorney and law professor, barbara mcquaid. in the letter, it says due in part to the decision of writing the financial statements, as well as the totalality, we've reached the point that there's a nonwavable conflict of interest. how do you approach this? >> when i hear the phrase "conflict of interest" most often it means when you have a
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lawsuit, we're on the wrong side of the "v" from our client. you can't have it both ways. you can't represent a client and be cooperating with someone against them. to say we have an irreconcilable conflict of interest says they're cooperating with the attorney general. and based on some of her allegations and internal investigation, we no longer can stand with our recommendations and filings from the past says they believe there was false information in those things. it may be a bit of self preservation; that there were red flags they've igernorred in the past. basically garbage in, garj out. we got bad information from the trump organization. we prepared documents in reliance of that and we're not going to be part of any fraud and we're cooperating with the attorney general. that's what i read the letter to say. >> and tom, take us behind all
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of this investigation, the new york ag, they've been focusing on whether donald trump's various hotels and other properties were over or under valued. could this new letter help the new york a. good. 's investigation? how already have how much material from mazaras? >> almost half a million, according to -- if you look at the letter you showed earlier, andrea, there's a number on the lower right-hand corner referred to as bates number and it's over 500,000 pages, apparently, that have been turned over. we know there's been a tremendous volume of material turned over in as a result of the investigation and that was before both the ag's office and d.a. were able to get a hand on trump's taxes and all the subpoena's they've served. from an investigation standpoint and where we're going, mazaras
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is clearly signaling something is amis. there's something that doesn't make sense and based on former regulators that we've spoken to, this -- as they've described it, highly unusual letter is something very rare to receive from an accounting firm and points to the potential for irregularities. it's another piece of the pie or brick in the wall for the peep -- various organizations. >> and multiple investigations, manhattan d.a. going on for well over a year. what does it mean taking another step back? what does it mean for donald trump and his organization? >> i think that's the real question, andrea. there's clearly a legal threat that mr. trump and family members possibly face and this
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another piece of the puzzle. brick of the wall, another piece of the puzzle. in the case that new york attorney general leticia james is undertaking. and she's been seeking more documents and the testimony of mr. trump himself, of donald jr., his daughter, ivanka trump herself. and with the letter siting specifically the late january disclosure from james' office, we know they characterize what they collected as significant additional evidence proving the case they're trying to build. there's a potential legal threat on the civil side and the legal probe but maybe a potential political threat too. he's overcome a lot that was not disqualifying but there's a real question about how sear i don't say these threats are and that
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remains to be seen. >> i want to completely switch gears because we did have breaking news. tom, because you cover everything. we're just learning that prince andrew and have virginia giuffre have reached on out settlement. bring us up to date on that. >> i think you put your hand on something important. by settling this lawsuit and as part of the lawsuit, virginia roberts giuffre alleged in 2001 she was sexually abused by the prince on several occasions. allegations he's denied and as a result of the settlement, the depositions that will have been taken, including of the prince, do not have to be taken. the dismissal will mean the prince is donated to a charity
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of giuffre's choosing. and he did say she never should have been maligned as a result of the things she said. i think the key thing is there's an awful lot of information that will not become part of the public record. does not absolve the prince of potential criminal liabilities. we knee the southern district of new york took the rare step of, essentially through a treaty, to spoke with the prince. that resumably remains open at this point. >> well, tom winter on all things and to barb and on the many, many thanks to you guys as well and we have more breaking news, very important news. nine families of sandy hook school, of the terrible shooting, have reached a groundbreaking $73 million sel settlement with the gun
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and breaking news. multiple white house officials have confirmed president biden will be speaking this afternoon about the situation in ukraine. and the continued effort to pursue a diplomatic solution. president will speak at 3:30 eastern in the east room at the white house. of course we will have complete coverage on msnbc. and california is dropping its indoor mask mandate for
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vaccinated people. those not vaccinated will still be required to wear masks inside public spaces. a day after health officials confirmed maskss will still be required inside schools for at least the next two weeks. joining us is a pediatrician and formerly served as principal executive director at the fda and now at the bloomberg school of health. so, california, other states monitoring before they drop their school mask mandates. new york, connecticut, new jersey have already made those moves. the end of a month, just a week away, two weeks away is it? that d.c. is dropping its indoor mask mandate. what do you think of this? too soon? or is it just about right? >> well, what i think everybody's struggling with is how do we reasonably limit but not eliminate the risk that
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comes with covid. as things get better, we have the opportunity to lessen up, loosen up on some of the restrictions. but how do we do that responsibly so we don't wind up with more people sick? we still have over 100,000 infections every day in this country. 10,000 people admitted to the hospital, 2400 people dying. there's a lot of covid still going on. i think each place and region is looking at its data and trying to find its way through. i think it's important to keep an eye on what happens. telling kids to take the masks off and it's important to watch. if everybody gets sick and that creates a problem, then it will be important to reconsider. >> according to the american academy of pediatrics, coronavirus cases in children nationwide are dropping. but still higher than at delta's peek last year and vaccination
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numbers for kids are still low. how do we boost vaccination rates among children, especially looking to child vaccination rates dropping the school mask mandate. >> i see california is one in three kids have been vaccinated. it's going to be really important. and obviously there's a big space for that conversation. i'm a pediatrician. pediatricians talk to parents and kids all the time. but we also, i think, need to talk to each other. there's so much misinformation out there. going to help for particularly people with kids to learn the facts and be able to communicate about them effectively with their peers. johns hopkins has a free online course to train vaccine ambassadors to talk to parents and it walks through how to hear about concerns people have.
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respond to misinformation and give people good information. and i think more people get trained, the more they learn. we're going to have to increase the rates particularly as the fall approaches. we start to see new variants. vaccination is an important way to protect kids. >> thank you for the context, to better understand this, all of us. thanks again. and coming up next. to invade or negotiate, congress blinks on prestrike sanctions. so, what comes next? chair of the foreign relations committee is coming up next. fos committee is coming up next. in fact, subaru has won most trusted brand for more consecutive years than any other brand. no wonder kelley blue book also picked subaru
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invasion of ukraine. sticking points are sanctions package now or after. and the nord stream two project. joining me is the chairman of the foreign relations committee, senator bob menendez of the foreign relations committee. weakening the administration's hand because the administration's hand has been calling for deterrent and not putting the sanctions on before putin makes a move because then he could say i'm already being sanctioned, why shouldn't i go ahead? >> first of all, thanks for having me on. we have been working for the last two weeks to come to a common position, which i think is important. for russia and the world to understand that the congress stands with the president united
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in our support of ukraine, its territorial sovereignty and you united to have real consequences for putin and russia, should he make the enormous mistake of invading and we've come a long way. we just haven't been able to finalize on some key issues, even though weevt gone a long way in trying to achieve it. i think what we should recognize here is that there is common ground in extracting a big price for russia if it makes the mistake of invading ukraine. there is common ground with strong support for ukraine. the question is exactly how does one create the consequence for russia? and there are differences of opinion. but there are some sanctions, which we have offered that would take place for actions that russia has already taken, like cyber attacks, false flag operations, destabilizing the ukrainian government. the mother of all sanctions
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legislation i started off the negotiation that i wrote for the consequences if russia invades. there's assistance to ukraine in terms of legal assistance to defend itself. financial assistance. this is a comprehensive package but we're not quite there. but i hope we can get there and if we cannot get there in the next day or so, at least i hope we'll pass a resolution i hope will express the solidarity before the recess. >> and once you recess, of course, the house is out already for two weeks. you're sending signals as well. what do you think vladimir putin is doing by saying we want to talk. let's talk about arms control. he's had that proposal for two weeks or more and saying it was his nonstarter. he does not seem to be yielding on his demand that nato pull back and ukraine be limited from joining nato done the road.
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>> i think the session he had with his foreign minister lavrov was kabuki theater. he never does anything in public. he wanted to get the internation community and the press to bite on the proposition that in fact he is open to diplomacy and negotiations. and i hope the intense diplomacy has a that has been taking place between the united states and our allies and the threat of overwhelming sanctions that would have crippling effects on the russian economy and putin himself would ultimately lead and may ultimately lead to a diplomatic initiative. but it's hard to understand that you're serious about diplomacy when you have so many. troops amassed along ukraine's borders and as we speak, cyber attacks taking place against the ukrainian banks where russia's
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lower house and its parliament has passed a resolution recognizing elements of the eastern ukraine they would like to see break away and ultimately would give rush they ability to provide security guarantees to that region. so, these are all things that betlie actions -- the actions belie the words that you're truly willing to be engaged in a diplomatic effort. >> they're warning they could possibly launch a false flag in the east. he's used those in the past? . >> well, i've got to give enormous credit to the biden administration using its intelligence and being able to be classified in a way that has outed the russians in each of these false flag attempts. and so, actually, we have, i think up to this point, out
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flanked them in terms of having an kind of pretext of an akus. there is no aggression by ukraine. they have done nothing to solicit the consequences that putin has amassed on their front and the threat they offer. you see russian television talking about some type of mass genocide in ukraine. falsely, of course. so, it is constantly trying to create a set of circumstances in which it can have the alleged provocation but there is no such thing. the world will see it. if putin cross into ukraine's territory, it will be his aggression. and the one think that, no matter what happens, that putin will have learned is that the west is more unified than ever before. the transatlantic alliance is more unified, there are thousands of troops put into part of eastern europe that
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putin would have never wanted to see. so far that's worked out badly. >> so good to have you with us. thank you very much. the chairman of the foreign relations committee, senator bob menendez. and speaking of diplomacy. three black u.s. ambassadors at the height of the civil rights movement. that's next. the new documentary honoring their hard-fought rise to an institution called pale male and yale. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on inetnet. pale male d yale this is "andrea mitchell reports" on inetnet. un your bus. intuit is bringing quickbooks and mailchimp together to help you set up and grow. dj khaled: man, i love this scent.
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♪ pepto bismol coats and soothes your stomach for fast relief and get the same fast relief in a delightful chew with pepto bismol chews. to celebrate black history month, the state department dedicated their dining facility to ambassador terrence todman, whose life and legacy is profiled along side edward r. dubly in the new film "the american diplomat. these three black ambassadors pushed past historical and institutional barriers at the height of the civil rights movement in the united states. the state department's honor is fitting because decades earlier ambassador toddman led the charge to desegregate the
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cafeteria. >> my first day, the white officers went across the street into a restaurant. and i was not allowed to go there because black americans couldn't go into that restaurant. so, i went and said this can't go. the department said these virginia laws, a lot of people come here and haven't said anything about them. i said i'm not other people and you're doing something that's not right. >> and you say to the department of state, you have a problem. i don't have a problem. this is not about me. >> toddman later said i was considered a trouble maker and that was all right. >> toddman knew that the institutional culture wasn't going to change on its own. it was going to change by being confronted, by being embarrassed and he kept up such a fire storm of protests that eventually the
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department of state rented half of the restaurant. there finally was a desegregated cafeteria for foreign service officers. >> and that's what you could call making good trouble. "the american diplomat" premiered today and it's my great pleasure that joining us now is the state department's first chief diversity and incollusion officer. and the director of "the american diplomat". welcome both. this is so meaningful to me. i watched the entire event, which is wonderful. and toddman's son. what inspired you to take on this project and profile these three great ambassadors? >> i brought the idea to my partners for several reasons. part of it is a personal connection i have to this story. my husband is a diplomat, we've
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been a foreign service family almost 20 years now. we'd often go to posts and be one of the few black families and after a while, you start to wonder why and want to dive into why that's so. at the same time, my husband handed me a book called "my diplomacy" and those created a jumping off point to dive deeper into the history and sign a spotlight on individuals and black diplomats in general who have contributed so much to american diplomacy. >> and these men actually represent american ideals around the world while at mome they face such discrimination. how did they challenge the idea of who could be considered a diplomat? >> i think all of them. and many unnamed diplomats since then have gone in the world and talked about the ideals and
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values of the united states. and then come home and made the case that our credibility for standing behind those ideas and ideals are broad can only be enhanced when we live up to them at home. so, it was a two-front so, it feels a true effort overseas and at home, two fronts, and something that diplomats struggle with indeed until this day. >> you, in fact, interviewed u.s. national security adviser jake sullivan during president biden's first 100 days in office and asked about what changes we could expect from this administration to a department still largely viewed as pale and yale and male. what progress has been made? >> well, i would say in the department a large amount of progress. we are at an amazing time in american history where we have a confluence of the president, the american people, the secretary of state with enthusiastic support, and the workforce
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within the department who understand we can do our foreign policy better, smarter, more effectively if we are bringing all of our talent and resources to the table. so we've made some changes over the years. in the last year, we've take an hard look at our numbers up and down, making sure that your workforce will know exactly who we are and where we are and how we can move forward to lower barriers so that we have everyone within the department having the opportunity to reach their full potential. because that's what we're about, making sure we've got the right voices atgiving us the benefit their knowledge and lived experiences. >> so, speak to young people of color who dream of working in the foreign service, venture into public service, but still see it as predominantly white and male.
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>> one thing i hope the film does is open up that space to young viewers of color so that they can see that these were the trail blazers that helped create that space for us. and i want them to see how they broke down these barriers and that the idea of diplomacy isn't just for a privileged few but for all of us, and here are a handful of people who helped create that space for us as people of color in the united states to have a voice in how our country is represented overseas. >> one of the notable voices is our u.n. ambassador, of course, linda thomas greenfield and all that she is doing to express her deep gratitude to of course when she first went to liberia on a
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mission and saw the portrait on the wall. thank you both so much for bringing this to us. we'll be watching the documentary on pbs. it's, as i say, a grate great addition to the history of our state department. thank you. >> thank you. and the war games. my deep dive with top military and national security leaders playing out potential u.s. options to do whatever vladimir putin does next, war or peace. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." g "andrea mitchell g "andrea mitchell reports. not all plastic is the same. we're carefully designing our bottles to be 100% recyclable, including the caps. they're collected and separated from other plastics, so they can be turned back into material that we use to make new bottles. that completes the circle and reduces plastic waste. please help us get every bottle back.
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military and intelligence officials say vladimir putin could launch an invasion of ukraine at any time. the white house national security council could be faced with life-or-death decisions, and it's organized what it calls tiger teams conducting tabletop exercises to try to avoid mistakes frankly that the u.s. made when russia took crimea from ukraine in 2014. this includes laying out possible putin moves and u.s. responses to figure out all of the best options and how to respond to unintended consequences. to get a look at how this might work with invasion or diplomatic talks being stretched out, we gathered top former military and national security officials who have all served at every level of government around the table
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earlier today. michele flournoy, mike mullen, former national security adviser tom donovan, and former cia director and four-star general david petraeus, what they would do in real time as russia continues to threaten ukraine's sovereignty with hugetakes for the u.s. and nato. >> i think it's also an opportunity to really assess in europe and here at home what are our vulnerabilities that are created by our dependencies on russia, gas in particular, energy supplies, dependency on things like titanium and rare earths. we should be addressing those in the future to reduce those dependencies. lastly, our cyber vulnerabilities. this is a favorite tool of vladimir putin. we've seen it again and again. we have got to invest more in strengthening our own cyber resilience so we're less vulnerable to the kind of threats that he'll come at us with in the future. >> they get in a situation, and it may be a likelihood, wither in a standoff, right, with
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russia over the long haul. then we have to start of our security arrangements of the kind you doo with adversaries. important discussion. >> how long can he sustain that troop formation on these borders? >> longer than we think. that's been my take on him far long time. we apply western metrics to an individual like him and we say the economy is going to go south, the demographics are bad, he can't keep doing this. longer than we think. not forever, for sure, but i think it would be foolish to think he couldn't sustain it for a significant period of time. >> which is why, again, the cost has to be driven home, really. it will be about how many bodies are coming back to moscow and to russia. it's going to be about a perception of his population as to whether this is actually succeeding on the ground in ukraine or not, was this a wise decision, those kinds of issues i think will be swirling in the population. >> we'll have a lot more of that
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discussion tonight on "nbc nightly news" and tomorrow here on "andrea mitchell reports." that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show online, facebook, and twitter. chuck todd with "meet the press daily" starts right now. as a flurry of diplomatic talks continue and putin announces he's pulling back some troops from the ukraine border, is putin blinking? and trump's accounting firm cuts ties with his company saying it can no longer stand behind a decade's worth of financial statements. what it means for investigations into the former president and his financial dealings. and what a school board recall effort in progressive san francisco reveals about the potential perils of liberal messaging ahead of the midterms.
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