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avocado prices soaring. prices are already at an all-time time but for producers in mexico, the cost could be even higher. what do you think this could mean for mexican farmers? >> for mexican farmers this means 135 to 140,000 tons of avocados that are not going to be able to make their way to the united states. what's going to happen to that avocado crop, they're probably going to rot. >> so many thing interrelated. that what happens up the hour for me. yasmin vossoughian picks up with more news right now. hey there, everybody. good morning. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for my friend craig melvin here at msnbc headquarters in new york. first up, enough developments with the crisis in ukraine.
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more u.s. troops have been deployed from fort campbell in kentucky to europe. and secretary blinken answered a question that people have been wondering, is russia actually pulling back its troops from the ukrainian border like they say they are? >> there's what russia says and what russia does. we haven't seen any pullback of their forces. we continue to see not only these forces mass, we continue to see critical units moving toward the border not away from the border. what we need to see is exactly the opposite. we need to see these forces moving away. >> the president warning russia has about 150,000 troops massed and that the united states is prepared no matter what happens. ahead i'm going to talk with texas congressman colin allread, who was recently in ukraine, by the way. president biden also warns a russian invasion could affect the u.s. economy, especially gas
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prices so what is the plan to cut those costs? how does taking 18 cents a gallon off your bill sound? pretty good, right? it is an idea from two democrats but may already be hitting roadblocks on that. also this morning, our former president's national archive nightmare. president biden ordering the national archives to turn over trump white house visitor logs to the white house committee. what those could reveal. we want to start with the crisis in europe. i want to bring in peter baker, chief white house correspondent at the "new york times." before that he was moscow bureau chief and retired general mccaffrey. courtney, i want to start with you on this one. we just heard from secretary blinken. he was on "morning joe" earlier today. he said listen, at this point
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putin is getting everything he does not want, a unified nato, more troops closer to the border. you got ukrainian people united against moscow, against putin. talk us through where we are this moment. >> secretary austin should be meeting with his german counterpart in brussels. what they're hoping to accomplish at this nato defense minister meeting this week is a show of unity and to show vladimir putin what you described. number one, the u.s. troops have moved closer to the u.s. border. they sent some to poland and have moved several thousand troops in there as a show of unity and as a way to bolster defenses of some of those nato allies who are there close to ukraine and very close to russia's border. but beyond that, there is also an effort here among these nato allies at these meetings in
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brussels to show no matter what putin decides to do in ukraine, they will remain united. secretary austin is meeting with his german counterpart. that's one of the bilateral alliances that has shown strain. president biden only recently standing with his partner also, you mentioned there's some more troops heading in. we are seeing those images today. that is a powerful image, as we all wait to see what putin decides to do in ukraine. >> courtney, thank you for now. richard, let's get into it. over the last 24 hours or so, we
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felt there has been a bit of a deescalation. it seems like moscow is now open once again to diplomacy. they're not showing it, though. there's no sign they're actually drawing down their troops. all of this on a day of, quote unquote, unity happening inside. talk to me. >> reporter: we don't know in there's a deescalation or not or if the tone has changed. according to the secretary of state, there's been no fullback of russian forces and some are moving closer to the board. and u.s. military officials i've been speaking to are quite convinced that putin has not and is not going to back down. so, yes, there is still the diplomacy continuing, but the diplomacy has been continuing for weeks and we will see if it does lead to a different conclusion. but here in ukraine what we saw
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today was unity rallies. because today was one of the days that had been rumored to be the day of the russian invasion. so the president here, president zelensky, said instead of bracing for a russian invasion today, ukrainians should take to the streets and fly the flag and he's been on a two-day tour, which he launched today and will continue tomorrow, visiting with local officials and military officers to show that this country is united. and i went to one of these unity day rallies here today and was speaking with activists, participants and they've been happy with the u.s. strategy thus far of revealing whatever intelligence they have, trying to get ahead of putin, trying to cut off potential disinformation campaigns and cut off potential avenues of attack before they happen. so there is a sense with the
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unity day celebrations, from what i was gathering talking to people that ukrainians may feel that the worst has passed, that they've managed to evade this and that would be very difficult for vladimir putin to launch a naked aggression while the world is watching. but clearly u.s. officials are not convinced that we are out of the woods yet. >> richard engel, thank you for reporting on this. general mccaffrey, i feel like you and i have been on quite a roller coaster ride together over the last few days. i'm talking about the situation in ukraine. no one better to be on a roller coaster ride with when it comes to possible conflicts than you. on friday when we spoke, there was this idea and possibility that you thought and a hope, i think from you, that vladimir putin was kind of bluffing a little bit, right? that there was chatter among russian troops and this was to
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get what vladimir putin wanted but invasion wasn't necessarily real. on sunday i asked if putin would invade and you said blunt live bluntly. talk to me about diplomacy and a deescalation which we have seen none of. >> well, clearly the facts on the ground have not changed substantially. russia has put 60% of their ground combat power in and around the south and maritime potential attack. they have half their air power deployed. they brought forces from all over the giant russian federation. i was watching video purporting to show the withdrawal. those trains were half loaded. there's no reason to think that the reality on the ground has yet changed.
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i think also what has without question happened is nato has come together in a manner not seen in the last decade, that trump knocked that alliance on its knees, it's now vibrant, they're worried about the russians, they're worried about their own preparedness. secretary austin's meetings today in brussels with other defense minister from the 30 nato nations are vital. so i must admit i think we're in better circumstances today on deterrence and with president biden's very powerful presentation yesterday, maybe putin's starting to realize he's on the edge of a disastrous strategic mistake. >> let's talk about, peter baker, what the president had to say yesterday. first and foremost, yes, diplomacy, possibly deescalation. that being said, putin may very well still invade.
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secondly, there could be major economic impacts not on to moscow, not only to russia but the united states let's take a listen to the president now. >> i will not pretend this will be painless. there could be impact on our energy prices. so we are taking active steps to alleviate the pressure on our own energy markets and offset raising prices. >> i mean, let's be honest, the president's approval ratings are not great right now, peter baker. he's got a lot on his plate heading into the mid terms overall. inflation sky high in this country as well. talk to me about what that, quote unquote, economic pain would look like in this country if an invasion happens. >> russia is one of the largest energy exporters in the world. we don't get a lot of their energy here in the state but places around the world do.
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energy prices are a fungible commodity. if suddenly they're cut off from the world market, those prices tend to go up everywhere and those are the kind of things that will affect gas prices here at home wells those who do rely on russian energy a whole lot more than we do. that's the impact. you roiling as a result of this geo political tumult. there are those that believe russia has been making money off of this standoff because they have pushed prices higher to benefit certain people around putin perhaps. that may be one of the reasons behind what's going on. but you're right, there's a huge economic component to this. and the sanctions that the president talked about go into effect. basically you're talking about cutting russia off from the worldwide banging system and a whol lot of prepercussions and
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ripple effects that come from there. >> let's talk cyber attack here, general mccaffrey. ukraine now saying they have experienced one of the largest cyber attacks they have experienced in their nation's history. if it is identified that the source of this cyber attack is moscow, is russia at the ends of vladimir putin, how should the united states -- how should nato forces respond? >> russia is potentially capable of bringing down the electrical grid, of affecting the water supplies, the knocking the financial system on its knees. so we should expect that the crisis is not over, even if military overt ground combat power pulls back. these kind of threats to
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destabilize ukraine, to make them a failed economic and political system will continue. >> peter baker, general barry mccaffrey, thank you both, guys. appreciate it. >> we got new mask guidance from the cdc. but what does it mean with so many states already easing up? plus, just talked about it with peter baker. gas prices soaring. some democrats have a plan and it could save you 18 cents a gallon for the rest of the year. so why are other lawmakers saying no way? and new legal victory for the january 6th investigation. president biden has ordered president trump to turn over logs. what they could reveal ahead. logs what they could reveal ahead
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team holding a briefing. moments ago the cdc director said they hope to have new masking guides and in place, quote, soon. several people saying the cdc is expected to loosen its indoor masking guidelines and the white house is asking congress for $30 billion more in relief funding. joining knee is sharon petty piece and dr. jarrellin jones, a doctor at the university of arkansas for medical sciences. sharon, let me talk to you. this $30 billion coming in. what's it going to go towards? >> reporter: the white house said they currently have enough money to handle the pandemic. this is not an emergency surge of funding that they need. what they've been briefing congress on is funds to help longer term, to get ahead of the
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pandemic and fund things like research, vaccines and testing that they think are going to be needed, at least for the next year and potentially beyond. it really kind of fits with a message we've been hearing more and more from the white house, along the lines that covid is not necessarily going away. where a year ago people were talking about whether it was going to be eradicated like smallpox, at least over the next year or so, the administration is anticipating covid will remain something with us in our every day lives. what the focus is on now is how to man and that. we were just hearing administration if you goes in that covid briefing to try to get to a place where covid is not an emergency, something we can manage with testing and vaccines. that's where they anticipate this funding going. and one thing they also said on the call was about testing and
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making sure the testing infrastructure stays in place longer terms so we don't get into cycles where we've been in the past year, the cases go down, people let their guards down and we see another surge of cases. i think that seems to be the direction the white house seems to be going here. >> i want to play some sound from dr. walensky talking about the relaxation of mass guidelines in the country. >> we are assessing the most important factors based on where we are in the pandemic and will soon put guidance in place that is relevant and encourages prevention measures when and where they are most needed protect public health and our hospitals. is now the right time? we've seen governors doing it,
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cities doing it, mayors doing it. is now the right time for the cdc tie just their mask guidelines? >> looking at the data, i feel like it is possible in areas where transmission rates are lower that we can do a -- look at different policies and things like that with respect to masks. what we've learned as medical personnel throughout all this is the importance of messaging and the importance of indicating that what we're doing today is not necessarily what is going to be required or adequate for tomorrow. so i think dr. witherspoon was right on it when she was mentioning that we're looking at the data, this is what it is showing us for today. this is how we can behave today, but be aware that things might change in the future. and i this a respect to public
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health measures there masking to distancing and vaccinations throughout this pandemic. i think there needs to be real focus on messaging and following the data and understanding we're giving recommendations based on how things are today. >> you make such a good point and i'm so happy up brought this up. if you look on anybody's instagram or page, there are so many memes on confusion about when to quarantine, when to test and when not to test. is it time as we are entering what seems to be more of this endemic phase of this pandemic that the cdc comes up with real
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metrics? if hospitals are at capacity, you have to keep your masks on so that we're not constantly confused as to the stage that we are in as a general population. >> i think that's a great idea. and, you know, we are far enough along in this pandemic to understand that there are metrics and things like that that we can put in place as kind of concrete measures to look at to act as triggers to go one way or the other. so, you know, we're far enough along and i think part of the issue at the beginning was that science was trying to catch up with this virus and trying to learn more and more about it. but now that we're at this stage in the pandemic, i think there are some real metrics and thing that can be put forth that are set as guidelines so that folks around in the community will be able to know that once we reach this we can shift and when we
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back away a little bit. >> and coachella is a major concert that happens out west every year. they're saying they are going on with festivities and that there's no testing, no vaccine, no mask requirements. should they continue is and is this the direction we're headed in? >> that's a tough situation. the economic impact of having to cancel that concert for the past few years has greatly, i feel like, impacted the decision to go forth and relax such guidelines. i think this is where consumers will come into play. people will look at it and say whether or not they are willing to take that risk in this environment that has no masking requirements, no vaccination requirements, am i willing to go and be around all of these
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individuals? so it had come down to the consumer and we'll see how it goes. >> dr. jones, thank you and, sharon pettypiece, thank you develop. heading out this morning is clear message. that is what the mayor of san francisco is calling the sunning outcome after voters recalled three members of the city's school board in a landslide. they've been criticized for not reopening schools fast enough during this pandemic and instead focusing on things like renaming a third of the district's schools. jacob ward is in fan fran for us following this. great to see you. take us through this, exactly what prompted this vote and what. >> p. >> reporter: well, we have seen school boards be a flash point for all sorts of frustration and san francisco is very unique. these three school board members were part of a board that voted to change the names of roughly a
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third of the schools here in san francisco at a time when there was no clear public plan for reopening the schools. and that caused enormous frustration. but maybe larger frustration had to to do with the school you see behind me. it is lowell high school, the most prestigious high school in the district. it has traditionally been a merit-based at mus process. these systems try to change to diversify their student body. they became real talking point for this pro-recall movement. we spoke to people and they spoke about general incompetence with the finances of the district and said all of that was just not acceptable. then we spoke to people who voted against this, a pretty small minority of people who
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voted but those who voted against it said that the sort of changes that are being made here are part of an effort to try to create greater equity here in san francisco, where people are leaving public schools in droves. this city has a third of its students in private and parochial schools. there's more dogs than and so changing this they say was a very sensitive cultural moment and may have been something that triggered this recall election. broadly speaking, i think it's also important to just understand how difficult it is to keep schools like this running. especially in san francisco, we are seeing budget cuts left and right, all of that making it extra, extra complicated. various political flash points coming together in one of the most politically complicated cities in the nation. >> jake ward, thank you.
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welcome back. this morning the president is directing the national archives to hand over visitor logs to the trump white house of the former january 6 committee. president trump tried to block the request. president biden has determined that claim is, quote, not in the best interests of the united states and therefore is not justified. the records include logs who entered the complex on january 6. this is coming as the committee has just issued six more subpoena. garrett haake on capitol hill is on this for us. garrett, great to see you. talk to me. who exactly has been subpoenaed, these latest individuals and what does this mean really for the direction of the investigation no? >> reporter: well, this last batch of subpoenas focuses on
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the so-called alternate electors. in the case that president trump lost, republicans stop the steal access might put forth an alternative slate of presidential electors and try to get to washington, in front of president and vice president on january 6th. among those subpoenaed are two former trump campaign officials, who then turned around and essentially became stop the steal proponents after the fact. elected officials in both arizona and pennsylvania, including doug mastriano who is running for governor now and laura cox put out a statement last night saying everything i did in this effort is out in public, no reason to subpoena me. the committee wants to talk to these folks in early march, but as we've learned, these deadlines tend to slip a little bit.
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we can clearly see the direction they're going, trying to link the election, the immediate effort to come up with this alternate idea and push it all the way to january 6th is where the committee sees this investigation going. >> i want to talk about the short-term governor funding bill, it needs to get done, by the way, on friday or we face a government shutdown. all of this happening when we have tons of other stuff going on. you have some republican senators holding up the bill. but now tennessee governor marcia blackburn has agreed to go along with it. >> reporter: a story blew up as to whether there would be money going to fund crack pipes. blackburn said she's satisfied with the answer that that will not be the case. but another group of republican
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senators want to see a vote on defunding vaccine mandate enforcement around the country. it's not exactly clear what the out will be here. lawmakers are supposed to be off next week and, as you know, sometimes jet fumes alone can be enough to ignite some bipartisanship and speed things along, continuing particularly deadline they'd like to make to get out of town. >> we will see as always. thank you, my friend. and i'm i'm going to talk to a congressman about ukraine. plus, it is one of the costs you cannot avoid, filling up your car with gas. but the price of a gallon is up about a dollar since just last year. we have got the details of a plan to give drivers some relief. that's ahead. o give drivers som relief that's ahead
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all right. we are back now with a live look at a virtual meeting, ambassador mcfaul there of the house oversight committee happening now, lawmakers discussing the ongoing tension between russia and ukraine. witnesses including someone familiar to our viewers, u.s. ambassador to russia michael mcfaul. moments ago he said the united states hasn't done enough in terms of sanctioning russia. >> the way we think about him now is somebody does something bad and we give them a parking ticket and then we just let them park there forever, so crimea, where as my view they have to ratchet up. >> that hearing is coming as u.s. lawmakers are struggling to present a unified front, no surprise there in the ongoing
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tension. texas representative colin allred said "ukraine's fight is our fight." adding "regardless of ideology, we must come together here in the united states to turn back this tide before it is too late." and congress colin allred was recently part of a congressional delegation that visited ukraine. thanks for joining us on this busy morning. you mentioned the tide. you talking about the tied of autocracy as we are watching this house oversight subcommittee hearing on russia. what do you want to see come out of this, the action that is needed to get moscow under control? >> well, when i was in ukraine, i went as part of a bipartisan delegation and we were united in terms of supporting ukraine and the need for us to have crippling sanctions ready to go if russia did invade. now, for us to do that, we also have to work with our allies in
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the eu in particular because they're the folks who economically would have the biggest impact on russia. that's what the biden administration is doing. so i agree with the ambassador that we have to ratchet up sanctions if russia does this. weep we also have some allies that will only join us in the sanctions if russia exacts. that's what congress has to take into consideration as well. >> here's the thing, i think a lot of americans watching this are wondering why is it that united states senators cannot come up with a bipartisan deal to sanction moscow? i know that the republicans recently released their kind of partisan sanction package, including halting the nord stream 2 pipeline, sanctioning russian bank, sanctioning allies and providing $500 million in funding for ukraine. what do you make of this? >> much of which was in their package was agreed to by senate
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democrats. the biden administration has the ability to do that without action from congress. we want to have a united front that we're going to be together in terms of pushing back on russia. that's why it's unfortunate that they would jump the gun and put out a republican sanctions package instead of a bipartisan one that i know the chairman was negotiating with them to try and reach. i actually don't think in this issue partisanship is going to divide us and prevent us from responding should russia actually invade. >> why does it take an invasion to actually see what could happen? we have this bipartisan statement, not a package but a statement from both schumer and mcconnell saying should vladimir further escalate, russia must be made to pay a severe price. what will that severe price be? i wonder if this is detrimental to keeping moscow, to keeping putin from invading, watching
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what's happening here in the united states and wondering, well, they can't get it together. >> well, i certainly hope not. and i don't think so. i think that the biden administration has been very strong. president biden was very strong yesterday in what he said and i think they've done a good job of leading our nato and eu allies to present a united front. they're dealing with the russians on a daily basis and direct communication quite often. and we've been sending the same messages, whether it's from the germans, french, americans, we've all been speaking from the same hymn book there. i don't think putin is under any confusion as to whether action will be swift and severe but it's unfortunate. >> when i say "they" i mean the split senate of course. congressman, great to see you. it could cost around $15 more this year than last year. getting gas for your car is
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much more expensive, any kind of savings sounds pretty good, right? how about 18 cents less per gallon of gas? "the washington post" reporting the white house and top democratic lawmakers are beginning to weigh a new push for a federal gas tax holiday, potentially pausing fees at the pump as part of a broader campaign to combat rising prices. but that push, it actually might hit a roadblock before it even gets into gear. leann caldwell is following this story for us. as always, great to see you, my friend. the senators that are championing for this, matt kelly, maggie hassan of new hampshire as well and others, they're up for reelection. it's not necessarily secure they're going to win reelection. i also want to say this is one of the things republican that are against this are saying is driving this legislation on their behalf. talk to me about what is in this
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pitch. >> yeah, that's right, yasmin. so these senators up for reelection, they're out on the campaign trail and hear from voters that the most concerning thing is inflation, the rising price of gas prices and rising costs of food. some of suspending the federal gas tax a. they say they'll put more money in people's pock aets and alleviate some of the pain. but there'sall a ready pushback among republicans who say this is something that is gimmicky. something that won't have much of an impact and even some democrats aren't completely on bord either. >> who's speaking out first and foremost and it's not just republicans. low and behold, joe manchin saying it doesn't make sense.
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>> reporter: republican leadership, the number two senator and the republican leadership conference says there's no chance that any republican is going to vote for this. and saying this is just electoral year politics. democrats, i'm told, were very cool the idea as well. senator manchin saying it makes zero sense. senator schumer was asked about it yesterday at a pres conference and was noncommittal as well. another person who was in the room when this proposal was presented to senate drms. says they were cool the idea. now, historically, democrats are are long a resisted attempts to get rid of the gas tax. this is something that's floated periodically every few years when gas prices do rise. so, this time around though, democrats are trying to really hard to win back the senate. and so this is an attempt to try
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to relate to americans and give them some bit of help, yasmin. >>. i always a told if you're against the an idea then tell me your solution. so, what is their -- the nay sayers solution to this as we heard from the president as well yesterday that the economy could be effected if moscow invades ukraine. that could push gas prices even higher than they already are. >> discussion about inflation on capitol hill, republicans have been sounding the alarm for a while. their response is mostly don't spend more government money and that wilt help reduce inflation. and democrats are now getting in on this debate too. they're realizing this is something real. butted democrats don't have a lot of proposals either. they're starting to acknowledge that inflation is something thal that people are grappling with but haven't come up with
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proposals to address it just yet. >> just the beginning, i'm sure. thank you as always. so, right now we should be hearing the crack of the bat, the pop of a ball hitting a glove. but baseball's spring training, it's delayed. and what does it mean for communities in florida and arizona that depend on those are preseason games? that's next. those are preseason games? that's next. plus some of the lowest options in futures contract prices around. [ding] get e*trade and start trading today.
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welcome back, everybody. baseball fans are going to have to wait a bit longer for some action. pitchers, catchers should be reported to spring training this week but the major league baseball lockout between owners and players has delayed that. here's more on the ripple effect. >> reporter: the crack of the bat and the pop of the mitt. familiar sounds that signal the start of another baseball season. but this year spring training delayed. pitchers and catchers nowhere to be found. the clash between players and team owners has fans of america's past time crying foul. >> it's devastating. this is such a big baseball community. >> the dispute resulting in a lockout. it's a major league setback. not just for baseball but communities across florida and arizona that depend on the financial injection from the teams and their die-hard fans.
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>> they stay in our hotels, eat in our restaurants and we don't know if any of those folks are going to be in this area this spring. >> reporter: in lee county, florida where the twins and red sox play, spring training visitors spent merely 69 million prepandemic. >> this is the third spring training that we're going through this. in 2020 with the start of covid. 2021 stadiums weren't at full capacity. >> reporter: fans have much better access to their favorite stars than during the regular season. >> we've had the chance to meet players up close and personal. for the last three years, rich andrd his 13-year-old son have escaped the freezing cold in milwaukee to toasty arizona to watch their hometown team, the brewers. but now a father/son trip cancelled. do you care about this dispute? >> no.
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i don't care. i'm not going to pick sides. i'm on the side of the fans here, right? we're the only ones really losing out. >> the current lockout is the first labor dispute since the 1994 strike that cancelled the world series. at the center of this dispute, money. baseball is a multibillion dollar business and while blockbuster contracts make headlines, most mlb players earn substantially less. the minimum baseball salary, half a million far less compared to the nfl, nhl and nba. sports fanatics saw the super bowl stwh olympics are coming to an end. will they have baseball? >> spring training is definitely going to be delayed. the real question is whether the regular season, opening day, will be delayed. and that does it for me this busy hour. i'm going to be back here
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tomorrow 11:00 a.m. eastern. you can catch me on msnbc from 3:00 to 5:00 p.m. eastern. coming up shaun white joins my colleague, andrea mitchell, next. ♪ good day, everyone. this is "andrea mitchell reports" in washington as president biden warns a russian invasion of ukraine is, quote, distinctly a possible and that u.s. would respond with crippling sanctions. >> if russia commits this breach by invading ukraine, responsible nations around the world will not hesitate to respond. we do not stand for freedom where it is at risk today will surely pay a steeper price tomorrow. >> but russian response sending mixed signals. the u.s. and nato saying there's no hard a evidence they're pulling back. >> well, there's what russia says and what russia does. and
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