young woman who loved animals and enjoyed playing dress-up and who fatally married a stranger, till death he did part. part good evening, i'm katie fang infirmity houston. donald trump and two of his children will have to sit for depositions under oath from new york's attorney general who is investigating the trump organization. that decision came down from a new york judge just a few hours ago. the trumps have been fighting to block a subpoena from attorney internal, letitia james, for documents and testimony in her investigation of the trump organization. but judge arthur and ron said

there was no question about the ages of authority to pursue this matter. this is how the judge concluded his decision a state attorney general commences investigation a business entity, uncovers copious events of possible financial fraud and wants to question under oath several of the entered these principles including its namesake, she has the clear right to do so. james is leading a civil rather than a criminal investigation into the trump organization for allegedly using misleading valuations to score loans and tax breaks. a separate criminal inquiry from the manhattan da's office is also looking at the matter. judging gore on said the former president as well as ivanka trump, and donald trump jr., need to comply within the next three weeks. although that could be delayed if they appeal. today's court hearing was interesting, to say the least. this detail from the new york times really sets the scene. mr. trump's lawyer big aimed so heated that judge and karen and

his law clerk had to call for a timeout. raising their hands in the shape of a t a gesture more often see that sporting event than in a courtroom. so, when things were calm some defensive arguments were more convincing than others. for example, trump attorney alina have, said that her client is the victim of viewpoint discrimination. and being targeted because of his protected class. now protected class actually refers to such as race, six, religion and color. it really doesn't take a law degree to understand that tech, but judging gordon pointed out that none of those categories describes the former president. so, today's ruling adds to the list of a eventful list -- filing on monday revealed that trump's longtime accountant cut ties with the trump organization and said that it could no longer stand by ten years worth of financial

statements that had prepared for the company. trump, of course, has denied any wrongdoing, criticizing what he sees as a sham investigation, from the new york a.g.'s office. and attorneys for the family say they plan to appeal the ruling. in a statement on today's decision, attorney general james noted, that quote, nobody is above the law. so, let's bring in joyce vance former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama, and now on nbc msnbc news legal analyst. joyce, big day today. pending an appeal today which we all know is inevitable, because that's kind of their game right, that's how they do this, trump and john junior and ivanka will be questioned under oath within the next three weeks. so set the scene for us, and describe what you think the best those depositions will look like. >> well they've got three weeks to be deposed, two weeks to turn over documents, and as you correctly pointed out, there will inevitably be an appeal here. the question is, what sort of tolerance the new york courts

of appeals will have and whether the district of appeals will send this back quit it pretty quickly. for the depositions. we all know what happened in the deposition of donald trump. he will be asked questions, he will be confronted with half truths and mistruths, and he will have to assert his fifth amendment privilege to avoid incriminating himself over, and over, and over. this is what happened with eric trump in the same investigation. he was deposed and he took the fifth of it amendment over 500 times. this is a pretty interesting argument that's made in the brief, katie that, you laid out because katy says i'm a class of one. i'm a former president. and if i have to take the fifth amendment my name will be on the front of every newspaper. and i'll be subjected to so much shame, because i'm the former president. and the judge said, you know, former presidents aren't protected class. and to me, you're just like any other citizen. i'm sure that those are words

that crashed down around the former president, and point out a desperate situation he's going to find himself in, because he did something sort of acted as an attorney's worst nightmare. in responding to the news that his accountant, ms. ours had fired him, he issued a response, and it's a very detailed, lengthy written response, in which he explains why his financial statements are appropriate. so now, attorney general has this roadmap for questioning him, she can go through that statement, line by line, ask him what he meant, what's the backup for it is, and i think this is going to be a very illuminating deposition if only because, when you take the fifth amendment, -- the governments entitled to put that into evidence. and in this is a civil trial. i think >> it's important joyce, for our viewers to, understand that the invocation of the fifth amendment that there's very procedure to. it it's not just you show up

and i'm taking the fifth amendment, you can stop asking me questions, there's an actual procedure that goes along with that deposition questioning. can you possibly expand a little bit more on the idea that the fifth amendment process would work with a civil context, versus a criminal context? >> so this is something that gets overlooked a lot,. and you can't just say i'm not going to show up for my deposition i'll assert my fifth amendment right, you actually have to listen to each question. and go through it one line at a time before you assert it. in a criminal case, this would pretty much in the inquiry, the prosecutors would not to infringe on a defendant's fifth amendment rights, that would impede their case. that often is the end of the matter. civil cases are very different. it's in civil cases, unlike in criminal cases where prosecutors usually talk to criminal defense before they get to trial, in civil cases it's routine for them to take each other's depositions. and in this sort of

investigation it's not unheard of sort of event, and trump will have the ability to use the fifth amendment to fight off questions if he wishes to. in a typical defendant in this setting might take advantage of the opportunity, either formally or informally, to explain to the attorney general why this company did nothing wrong, or what's sort of negotiated settlement they might reach. in this instant when you take the fifth amendment over and over, and if trump repeats whatever trumpeted than that, is something that a jury is entitled to hear at a trial. and in a civil case, as the judge points out in this order, the jury can draw inferences from that. so taking the fifth amendment does not happen without some risk. >> so let's impact that just a little bit more, i also think it's important folks understand that this thing that we call an adverse inference, which is applicable in a civil case like the one that james is taking the depositions in, the jury could hear that there was this

invocation of fifth amendment, and that these particular parties trump, and his children, refused to answer questions under the threat of self incrimination. so, is there a real value to having these particular proponents show up and almost waste time, some people would argue, by serially invoking their fifth amendment privilege over and over again? or do you think that impact on the jury what happened during those deposition outweighs any of those potential waste of time? >> you know, i wouldn't view it as a waste of time. for one thing, they're in an entire legitimate questions series -- that don't implicate trump's fifth amendment rice. that i would want to have an answer to in a civil investigation. questions about what the processes are. those are all -- fair games, for example who turns over information to accounts. would i expect the wolves will see will be this aggressive

overassertion of the fifth amendment. trump in essence will say, i'm not going to answer these basic questions. because you're engaged in a witch hunt against me, and you'll twist anything that i say and use it against me. if i'm tish james, i think there's value in listening to those responses, and then deciding how to proceed. and what do you ultimately want a jury to hear. not because you want to prejudice them against the former president, but because you want them to have an understanding of whether this company, what its practices were challenged, did its principles cooperate with the attorney general? because they're in charged with ensuring that there are no fraudulent business practices in the state of new york, or where they difficult to deal with? that seems to me to be very relevant in the upcoming trial. >> one of the arguments asserted today by the attorney for trump was that attorney general letitia james is a politically biased law enforcement officer. they pointed to campaign

comments from james pledging to investigate donald trump. joyce, do you think there's a situation where comments like that can be used against attorney general james? >> there is a long-standing principle that the court relies on in its opinion. and it says that just a prosecutor doesn't like you, doesn't mean that they can't prosecute you. and that's the setting here. the judge makes the point that james, like trump, ran for office. james, like trump, talked about other politicians. and the judge says that in this setting, where he has made a determination which he reaffirms today, that the investigation into the trump organization is properly predicated. that means that there are legitimate reasons for the attorney general to -- charge to be conducting this investigation. that it wasn't created for instance, just as an excuse to get evidence that would be used in a criminal case, or that the former president wasn't being unfairly targeted for no

reason. that although she said certain things in the course of campaigning, that none of those comments rise to the level of comments that would make this case improper. >> so joyce, just very quickly because we don't have a lot of time left, former hillary clinton michael suspend who was charged last by john durham released a lengthy motion to dismiss's criminal case. right-wing media has latched on to this conflict of issues interest issues they didn't deal with the key issues in the indictment -- do you think this is a complete nothing burger? the statements that at issue that durham talks about, was done pre-trump taking office. do you see this case going anywhere against some? >> you know, this is a spin case is about whether or not suspend made a false statement when he was visiting with the general counsel of the fbi. and the motion that's been filed is a motion that says, for a false statement to be criminal it has to be of been

material. it has to have been about a specific decision the government was making, and that's not the case here. the prosecution doesn't even make that allegation, in the indictment. so my client shouldn't be subjected to a trial. and there may be some force to that. katie, you know that those are the sort of decisions that judges let juries make. it'll be interesting to see the outcome here. what this motion does operate as on some level, is a response to those narratives. that are circulating in right-wing media. that seemed to be so off-base and so on warranted based on the true facts of what happened here. and that's what's laid out in suspends motions to dismiss. >> joyce vance, as always, my friend, thank you so much for being here. coming up, this week the families of the victims of the sandy hook school shooting reached a historic settlement with the gun maker, remington. but it's just a one-off victory? or could it be the start of something more. we'll get into it, next. next. next.

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hold the firearms industry responsible for violence? it's a question i was particularly -- since the school shooting in parkland florida, that left 17 people dead 14 of whom were just children. on the anniversary of the tragedy, the father of one of those students killed a crane in washington d.c.. he's been calling on president

biden to declare gun violence and emergency, and he wanted to bring attention to the fact that no federal government formulation is been passed since that incident. he's right. it is a tragedy, but on tuesday, we did see a small but notable victory in the fight for a county ability when it comes to gun violence. relatives of none of the victims in the 2012 sandy hook massacre reached a 73 million dollar settlement. the gun manufacturer makes a bushmaster -- used by the shooter. the settlement also requires remington to publicly release thousands of pages of internal company documents that it obtained during discovery revealing marketing plans for the very weapon used in the sandy hook massacre. now, this is not the first time remington has settled with families in victims for gun violence, but it is the first time that it's happened since congress passed the 2005 protection of lawful arms act.

a law that gives gun manufacturers immunity from nearly all civilized billet he claims. it's the reason most cases, since his passing, have been dismissed. why is this victory kind of a big deal? i mean, in this sandy hook lawsuit, the attorneys took a novel approach arguing that their case felt -- that allows victims to sue a gun manufacturer for violent state consumer -- laws that relate to stills or marketing. the families argued that remington, irresponsibly, marketed the gun to at risk young man, like the sandy hook shooter. marketing campaigns that enable people to, quote, report your friend for not being a man, because they don't own a bushmaster. >> people need to know how irresponsible the industry is, with marketing these weapons, and who they're targeting. that was our goal, for it to be known. >> do you think you've achieve that? >> yes.

i do. >> remington, of course, has denied allegations. given this victory, could using consumer protection laws become a new roadmap for going after the firearm industry? joining me now to discuss this, adam skaggs, chief counsel -- at the giffords law center. he also previously served as the senior counsel at every town for gun safety. adam, i feel like this settlement signals the beginning of a new dawn for gun manufacturers to have to own up to their contribution to what has become an epidemic of mass shootings. do you think i'm being overly optimistic about what this settlement means? >> well, look, i think you put your finger on it. this is a huge and significant victory for the families. to bring this marketing in -- we should recognize this for what it is. it's something that is set a new precedent that there is a avenue to hold gun companies

accountable. one marketing violates ethical standards in protection laws. that's hugely significant. i think the release of these thousands of pages of internal company documents is also going to be really, highly instructive for the public to understand more about what these companies are talking about, what they know, and who they're targeting with their advertising. i would just say, think back to the tobacco litigation. when that litigation revealed that these tobacco company executives knew that smoking was dangerous for your health, they knew that nicotine was addictive, and yet they were lying to the public about it, that really created a sea change of public attitudes about tobacco, and about smoking. look at the ways our society is changed, with regard to secondhand smoke in tobacco, in general. i think, this case has the opportunity to open the door for a similar reimagining of

how the public understands firearm industry, and the standards that is sets, or that it's willing to sink to. >> adam, you mentioned big tobacco, do you think this settlement with remington, like big tobacco, opens the floodgates for more lawsuits like this against, gun manufacturers? with, maybe more settlements and more accountability? or was this specific to the facts governing sandy hook in that massacre? >> look, i think it certainly opens the door. as i said, it creates a blueprint, a road, to hold other gun companies accountable for their sales and marketing, and some of the ways that they market their products. opening the floodgates may be overstating the case. these cases are still going to be challenging, this is not something that flips a switch, to where anybody injured in a situation with the firearm can bring it to light.

and certain circumstances, every american hopes we never see anything as horrific a sandy hook. unfortunately, we d.c. these mass shootings, and we continue to see marketing approaches by the industry, that are as irresponsible. really, over the past couple years, it's even more responsible with the bushmaster product, in this case. i think we are going to see more of this litigation, but, as you said, the federal immunity laws led to most of these cases being thrown. out this is an important step forward. this is something that shows that there is a path forward, that these companies can build accountable. when lawyers see a successful case, of this nature, they take note. they take note of the strategy, and i don't think this is the last time we see this lawsuit. >> adam, last july, remington tried to settle with these plaintiffs, offering $33 million. the families turn that down. the lawyer said, the family's

claims could total more than 225 million. why do you think we're seeing this settlement right now? >> because the insurance companies for remington saw the writing on the wall. they saw the likelihood of the type of liability that you just highlighted. they said, we're going to settle this for the maximum possible amount that remington has a policy coverage for. basically, these insurers came to the table with the lawyers before the families and said, look, we want to settle this case, they didn't want to fight this in court. they saw the writing on the wall and knew that they could be held liable, so they say, it will give you every last dollar that we are covering the company for. that's where this fee came from. the families demanded, and i think rightfully so, to be

released to the public. that's something we'll see in the coming months. we'll see what more we can learn about this company, this product in question, but the industry in his practices, more generally. >> adam, briefly, we only have about 30 seconds. a lot of people said that if america could didn't pass -- after 20 elementary school kids were unmasked, there isn't any hope. do you fear that, way or do you think the reality is these lawsuits and settlements are away justice is served? >> look, i think the gun industry is uniquely protected under american law. it's the only company that, with very few exceptions, can use the civil justice system to try and bring accountability. i like to see legislation moving in the halls of congress, i like to see it on this issue, and a whole host of others, we know there's a gridlock in washington win on the challenges there. i think, using the courts, using the civil justice system is an avenue that is still open to us. it's not easy, it's a difficult

legal to thread, but the needle can be threaded, as his lawsuit is shown us. i think we're gonna need to see more of these kinds of litigations. >> adam skaggs, thank you for your advocacy and for your time. >> thank you. >> coming up, there have been more than 10,000 hate incidents against asian americans and pacific islanders, here in the united states since the start of the pandemic. we look at two new bills introduced in california, that are aiming to combat the harassment and violence. are aiming to a quote today. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ if you have advanced non-small cell lung cancer, harassment and violence. your first treatment could be a chemo-free combination it could mean a chance to live longer. opdivo plus yervoy is for adults newly diagnosed with non-small cell lung cancer that has spread, tests positive for pd-l1, and does not have an abnormal egfr or alk gene.

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the gunman opened fire at three spas in the atlanta area, killing eight people. six of those eight were women of asian descent. when those shootings happened last march, the united states was already facing a surge in violence and harassment against the asian american and pacific islander community, dating back to the early days of the pandemic. hate crimes against asian americans jumped more than 300%, from 2020 to 2021. according to a report from the sun tariffs to hate and extremism. there already been trouble insists in 2022. just this past sunday, a new york city woman of korean descent named christine ali, was stabbed to death a new china town home, by a man who police say, followed her into the building and up to her sixth floor apartment. leaves landlords that the suspect followed her in from the street by slipping through the door before a closed. police are still investigating

whether the attack was a hate crime. just a few weeks before that, a woman of asian descent named michelle go, was shoved onto the subway tracks in times square by a homeless man. police have not labeled that i hate crime either, but the incidents are contributing to fear, that asian americans and pacific islanders have felt in new york and around the country. all of these instances fade quickly from the headlines, but it's hard to ignore the increasing numbers. this is a growing threat in the united states. today, california introduced two bills aiming to curb violence and harassment against asian americans and pacific islanders, as well as other vulnerable groups. the legislation is among the first in the country to approach the incidents as a public health issue. here to discuss is magoo kulkarni, the executive director of aapi equity alliance, and the cofounder of aapi hate which sponsor today's build. module, it start with those themselves. they specifically addressed

street harassment. why was that your focus? >> well, first off, thanks for having me on, katie. our hearts go out to the family of christine ali, and also mushy elbow. we saw in those experiences with asian american women experiencing concerns around their safety, just as they walked on the street every day, as they take public transit. that's why we chose to focus on these two particular issues. it's so important to have freedom of movement, to be able to go to your job, to school. so, we think these are two of the most important areas to address. >> these are some of the very first bills in the united states to look at violence and harassment as public health issues. can you explain the approach why we couch them as public health issues? >> of course. we know that rochelle walensky,

the head of the cdc has said that racism is among the greatest public threats that we have a brokered today. so, we thought it was really important that, in looking at our data, we see that the vast majority of instances reported to us, do not involve crimes. there's no underlying criminal element, so we wanted to take a more comprehensive approach to what's happening. the public health approach really enables us to understand the problem see who it impacts, how often it happens, and then, with those mental health and other effects are on our community members. >> while these bills focus on the street harassment, there's another bill that you're working on that addresses bias incidences happening in stores and restaurants. we see it all the time on social media. can you talk about those bills are focusing on? >> yes. our third bill is looking at

what happens in retail or public accommodations. there, what we see, the store owners impacted, other times it's the customers. finding ways to make sure that their needs are dressed, there are proper trainings in those stores, and that, essentially, individuals get -- that they get their needs met. >> the measures that you've been talking about, these are at the state level. do you have any suggestions in terms of what needs to be done on a federal level to assist and address these prevalent issues? >> we really believe that a civil rights infrastructure is what's needed. the fbi collects data on hate crimes, but there's really no accounting of what happens in terms of civil violations, when you go to the store in your discriminated against.

if somebody yells racial things that you that prevents you from getting on a train or bus. within that local efforts, -- are going to be the answer along with victim resources. >> police are still investigating whether christina lee's murder was a hate crime, and the subway shoving has not been labeled a hate crime either. whether we're looking at crimes are incidences of harassment you think that law enforcement authorities are being too slow to label these incidents as motivated by bias or hate? >> i think what happens is that there may not be the training that's necessary. it doesn't always involve the use of irrational epithet. we saw in atlanta that the individual committed those crimes drove out his way to target asian american businesses. we hope that there are comprehensive investigations done, but we know the solution

is beyond just law enforcement. it really needs to take into account the fact that these are largely hate incidences and need a comprehensive approach. >> manu, how do we reconcile the push with this type of legislation with, the cultural energy or history, culturally, of the fact that many of these groups are reluctant to report these crimes, or reluctant to come forward and try to push for prosecution, even when the victims? >> that, absolutely, is a concern for many community members. they're worried that if they go to law enforcement, they might be reported to ice? . some times they don't speak english, so they don't have the resources to go to law enforcement. all of that is key in the under reporting that happens.

>> the under reporting has been cited as being the reason why, even though we see a 300% increase in these type of offenses -- that actually that number can be much higher than what's been reported. do you think law enforcement needs to focus on trying to make sure that the reporting requirement is mid? >> i think the reporting requirement is so important, not only in criminal law enforcement, but also civil on for some. and that's why we talk about a civil rights infrastructure because we do have agencies such as the eoc we, have the department of justice. locally, statewide, we had these agencies, as well. knowing that people can go to agencies that will take the reports, even if they don't involve crimes, is so critical. >> manu kulkarni, thank you so much for your time.

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political stance, and suddenly finds himself frozen out of lead, and able to play the sport he loves. probably reminds you of former nfl quarterback colin kaepernick, right? he became the progressive hero, after kneeling during the national anthem. and, he found himself unable to get another played contract. but no, this story is about a basketball player who's taking on the nba, and getting a lot of love from conservatives for it. and his kanter freedom has been in the league for more than a decade. but, he was traded to the houston rockets this month, who then cut him four days later, and now supporters say, he's being blackballed for his political views. the six foot ten center has attended black lives matter rallies and campaign for a leak van mandate. he's also spoken out against human rights abuses in his native turkey. he even changed his legal last name to freedom when he became a u.s. citizen last year. but, conservatives say, he's being shadow banned from the league for his criticism of the chinese government over its oppression of uyghur muslims, as well as for targeting nike,

lebron james, and the olympics for being soft on china. >> shame on the international olympics committee to, you know, organize these games, when there is a dictatorship at hand. so, i am calling on all these athletes -- not just athletes, you know all these governments, countries, who say, this is unacceptable. >> that argument has conservatives swooning, and he seems to be eating up the attention. sometimes literally. here he was yesterday at lunch, with the senate republicans quote, proud to be an america, and he tweeted. and, that is in addition to regular appearances on fox news, which is pushing the narrative that he is the victim of nba cancel culture, and they are pushing and really hard. but, is that the case? or, does the 29 year old make a more promising political activist in an nba center at this point in his career. and, does he really realize that his new admirers on the

right probably don't share his love for black lives matter? let's turn now to veteran sports journalist, tara and more. he is the national sports columnist for forbes on, calm and the author of the upcoming book the real hank aaron. thanks for being here, terrence. a recent washington post opinion cole makes the argument that enes kanter freedom being released from the rocket was politically motivated. he said, the final straw might have been that television ad he produced with a republican from florida calling out the beijing olympics, which they called the genocide games, including nba sponsored nike. stand for freedom, defund the dictators for freedom. i want to point out that this was written by mark thiesen, the former bush writer, who literally wrote a book saying and defending the use of torture. but, this is the guy who says that enes kanter freedom has been canceled for pushing for human rights. is he right? >> yeah, you know, let's put this in a little bit of

perspective. now, you mentioned this before. he's been in the nba. this is his 11th nba season, and he's been nothing more than a serviceable player. i mean, he's been associated with five different teams, a couple teams twice. and, when he was treated on the february 10th trade deadline by the boston celtics and rockets, he was reaching minutes played, and scoring, also in rebounding. all of that being said, there is no doubt about it that the reason he will probably never play an nba game again is what he said about china. because, china's big business for the nba. the nba is like the national football league, right? it's become this global entity. and, china is something like a five billion dollar industry in nba. don't forget, they've got daryl morey who is now the president of the philadelphia 76 is. back then, he was the houston rockets general manager. and, he sent out that tweet

blasting china for its handling of hong kong, and supporting the hong kong protests. china got mad at the nba, drop the nba from being shown in china for about a year, and the nba lost $200 million. so, there is a financial aspect to this to. that says, yeah, he is pretty much being blackballed, likely, from the nba. >> terrence, is there any hypocrisy here though? i mean, conservatives get angry about colin kaepernick taking a knee. but now, they are celebrating enes kanter freedom for being, you know, anti-human rights abuses in china, which we know exist. so, is there something happening here that we really need to be honest about? putting aside whether this guy actually has a future in the nba? >> republicans? hypocrites? i mean, is there gambling in vegas? i mean, there is no question whether there is hypocrisy here. the other thing you have to look at is, you mentioned the colin kaepernick take up situation. there was all of this screaming about him kneeling, and black

players following suit, and that sort of thing. but, with this guy, he's a hero. so yeah, you've got that black white thing going on here big time. but, the other thing i need to point out, he is sort of the, what i call the poor mans craig hodge and. what i mean by that, the other part you just mentioned. he attacked lebron james, right? lebron james is huge. lebron james, obviously, is a big guy when it comes to social issues, and the right wingers don't like that obviously. so forth. but, i said a poor mans craig hodgkins. back in the 1990s, he played for the chicago bowls. so, that powerhouse team with michael jordan. and, craig jones was sort of like enes, and colin kaepernick, and those types of guys. very outspoken when it came to social issues. and, he blasted craig hodge, once he blasted his colleague michael jordan for not being up with the causes, and he got

blackballed from the nba despite being a terrific player. he was 32 at the time. that was back in 1992. and, and it is only 29. so, there is a similarity there, that beyond just a china thing, when you start attacking, you know, the big dog of the nba, that could be problematic. >> i think, terrence, i think it was michael jordan who once said, i'm not going to talk politics because even republicans by nike. terrence, thank you so much for being here. coming up, some personal news, as the kids say. i have a little announcement i'd like to share on the other side of this break. stay tuned. ak stay tuned dove men+care. smoother, healthier skin with every shower. when you shop with wayfair, you spend less and get way more. so you can bring your vision to life, and save in more ways than one.

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>> first up on msnbc, breaking news. queen elizabeth has tested positive for covid-19. this according to the press association. we are told she is experiencing mild cold like symptoms. she does expect to continue light duties at windsor this week. we are going to have much more on that developing story. plus, another shot at diplomacy. ukraine's volodymyr zelensky calling on vladimir putin to meet with him, as our pillory fire escalates in ukraine. moments ago, vice president kamala harris warned about the possibility of war in europe. and, she doubled down on the

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