moscow is facing a new round of sanctions as president biden says russia could go much further and launch a massive military attack against ukraine. we'll talk to senator chris van holland about what the u.s. plans next. minneapolis, jury deliberations are set to begin in the trial for the three officers who prosecutors say chose to do nothing as derek chauvin pressed his knee into george floyd's neck for nine and a half minutes. back in washington, the white house says president biden has interviewed three finalists for the supreme court vacancy. this as hundreds of national guard troops are set to be deployed for truckers planning the protests in d.c. we begin with the latest

developments on the crisis between russia and ukraine. let's look at a live picture from the united nations where the tensions are likely to come up. you see they're filing in as we speak. this comes as ukraine's government asks parliament to implement a nationwide state of emergency. it's urging ukrainians to leave russia and started calling up rese reservists. secretary of state antony blinken said he canceled a meeting set with russia's foreign minister tomorrow. european governments are set to formally approve a package of sanctions against russia, one day after president biden slapped new sanctions on russia, targeting two large state-owned

banks. the u.s. also cut off russia from western financing for its sovereign debt. president biden says there could be more sanctions to come. the russian foreign minister says this won't affect them. >> tragically i think he's going to go in and go in big. this will probably be the largest war in europe since 1939. >> with me to talk about all this, erin mcloughlin, helene cooper and don jensen director of russia and europe at the united states institute of peace. matt, i want to begin with you and a video message released by the kremlin. putin says russia is open for direct and honest dialogue. he says he wants more of

ukraine's territory and then he says he wants diplomacy. kind of a contradiction there. matt? >> reporter: sorry, jose. it is a contradiction. what we're seeing is putin is still saying the thing we've been hearing him say for weeks now -- we're open to diplomacy, but on our terms. putin's terms became clear. he chose to recognize the entire broader territorial claim of these two states. basically he is now demanding that ukrainians basically disarm and move back. he's absolving himself of any responsibility now in this situation saying if there's going to be conflict it is on

you, kyiv. that's basically what we're hearing. >> he wants the ukrainians to move back and dissolve into where? >> reporter: basically back to the -- as they would say the 2014 borders of donbas. if you look at the official ukrainian map, that is a much larger space controlled by the rebels. the separatists currently control about 33% of that territory. we're talking about a substantial amount of territory they're laying claim to. that includes a major city near the black sea coast. it's quite a significant claim, jose. >> indeed it is. erin, is the ukrainian government starting to admit

essentially they're at war? >> reporter: it seems that way, jose. to give you a sense in the change in tone from what we're hearing from government officials, i'm in a chat group with a number of officials. an adviser to the minister of interior posting his personal assessment of the situation saying he believes an invasion could happen as early as today and it will happen with 95% probability and a question mark in his mind is how far will vladimir putin push into ukraine. he says he bases that assessment on a number of factors, including the current position of russian troops, they're pushing closer to the ukrainian border. he said the evacuation of the russian embassy is an ominous sign. finally, and perhaps most

alarming to many people in kyiv, what vladimir putin had to say on monday, essentially saying he does not believe ukraine deserves to be a state. this coming from an adviser to the minister of interior. it's a dire assessment. you are getting a sense the mood is shifting and this country is getting more and more on a war footing. >> don, when this is the reality, it's what is the reality not what one wishes were the reality. seems like there's very little role for diplomacy now. >> you hesitate to close the door completely. as the previous speakers mentioned, things are looking glum. things are not hopeful. we have to see how this plays out. the likelihood of putin pushing out further -- the ukrainian army happens to be in the way there. that's pretty dangerous. it could happen today or next

year. in any case, i think it gets worse before it gets better. >> when it does get worse before it gets better, the question, donald, is there anything you think that either the president of ukraine, western europe or the united states could do to change that reality? >> well, i think probably the most likely to get that change would be if ukraine somehow renounced its aspirations to nato membership. i don't think they would. i don't think they should. i think that would probably be the most likely. frankly you have so many wheels in motion. i'm not sure anything will dissuade the kremlin from going further. that's very, very upsetting. >> giving in to someone like putin is not necessarily a good formula for the future of a country like ukraine or anybody

else. helene, president biden announced more u.s. troops are heading to eastern europe. there are other kinds of warfare russia could you -- cyberattacks, misinformation, disinformation. how is the u.s. and its allies preparing for this? >> the united states has been working on this, the biden administration, for a while. the united states -- the biden administration on the part of information warfare has really started to play that game. it's a game that vladimir putin invented and president biden has now gotten into the ring with him on that. you saw for weeks now the biden administration has been trying to expose everything that we know of what the russian troop movements, what vladimir putin has been doing. it's interesting to see how much

the -- how much russian officials poo poo all these intelligence did he classifications from the biden people, continuously saying this is scare mongering while they've surrounded ukraine with 190,000 troops. at this point what the united states and nato allies have attempted to do is make sure that they're not overclassifying intelligence and to make sure that for all the world to see russia has -- does intend to go into ukraine. this has been the topic of news programs for more than a month now. it's kind of exposed a little bit, i think, the moral bankruptcy of the russian denial that their intention was to invade ukraine. >> that's interesting. they have been declassifying so much. they're warning be prepared for

movies and all kinds of things, a list they talked about. yet, helene, they haven't given any information, any intelligence, declassifying not the sources, but where that information is coming from. >> exactly, jose. they're afraid of doing that because the first thing they'll say is sources -- that's always the reason they hold where the information is coming from. there's been some speculation that they got -- they may have sources within the russian military structure, the russian intelligence structure. they're never going to tell you that. why should we expect us to believe the administration? it's quite a delicate balance the biden administration is trying to strike at this point. they're exposing information, but trying not to expose these sources which means that gives

vladimir putin opportunity to say this is wrong. why should we believe you? at the same time as events have unfolded over the past few weeks it's given a lot more credence to what the administration has put out. >> i mean, donald, "the new york times" has a piece today looking at how putin has years to insulate his economy against sanctions and his decision on monday to push ahead with the troop movement is that he has concluded the cost of sanctions are tolerable. if, donald, that is the case and sanctions won't bite as much as the u.s. and others hope, is there anything that can be done? >> i hate to use the washington cliche strategic patience, but i agree that's the only thing left right now.

i debate russians all the time and they have been taken aback by the white house being so skillful in doing this. helene raised the methods. it kept russia a little bit on the defensive. my problem with the sanctions is i favor stronger ones. the problem is i think the kremlin has priced those in. the kremlin feels it can say bring it on. there's certainly a hard line group in the kremlin that -- we'll call them war hawks perhaps -- that welcome that. that gives them an excuse to turn the screws tighter at home and gives them an excuse to cut themselves off from the west which is what they favor. we have to be careful if we think the sanctions are going to deter the kremlin. it feels good to slap them and will cause a problem with the russian economy, but we should be careful assuming this will

change russian behavior. i don't think it will. we have to be unified and firm. >> matt, back in moscow, what are the russian people seeing and hearing on their television screens about this? >> reporter: this is just starting to set in for most russians. we talked about how even just a week again the main narrative russians were being told is the west is hysterical, the west is making up these accusations of a russian invasion of ukraine. everyone saw that putin speech on monday. they saw the national security council meeting where basically adviser after advisor -- this is inner circle stuff -- sounded off one by one. since then we've seen some of the things that came up in vladimir putin's speech. they put up a map of ukraine showing which parts of ukraine were gifted to ukraine when.

western ukraine, stalin gave it to them. northern ukraine and crimea given to ukraine by khrushchev. the real narrative isn't setting in. for most russians they've only barely recently been faced with this idea that their leadership might be committing them to substantial military action. >> thank you all for being with me this morning. coming up, our next guest calls putin's invasion of ukraine a, quote, gross violation. senator chris van holland joins us. plus, president biden narrows down his list of supreme court finalists. we'll bring you that next.

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18 past the hour. a spokesperson for chuck schumer says he's requested a briefing on the escalating tensions between russia and ukraine. the briefing will likely take place next week. a statement was sent out saying no matter what happens we must make sure putin pays a price for his decisions. joining me now is senator chris van holland. senator, it's a pleasure to see you this morning. do you think the sanctions against announced by the president will ensure putin pays a significant price? >> jose, it's good to be with you.

yes, i do as a first round. these were important sanctions. some were thinking you only apply sanctions to the specific reasons. it was important that president biden placed sanctions on russia and that we did this with our allies. that was very important because in order to be effective these have to have a multiplier effect. now the president was very clear that we hold in reserve additional massive economic sanctions if putin continues his aggression in ukraine. in fact, we may hear some more today. >> if it is good as a first round, i mean, i'm thinking -- senator lindsey graham said the sanctions are woefully inadequate to deter putin's efforts. what do you see as the second round or the next wave that

could or should be instituted in short order? >> well, there are a couple things. first of all, the sanctions yesterday hit the fifth largest bank in russia. there are many other banks in russia. in addition, we should begin right away our efforts to choke off critical supplies of technology, things like semiconductors to russia. that's something we have to do in concert, not just with our european allies, but with japan, with taiwan, singapore. the good news is all of them have indicated a willingness to work with us to cut off the critical supplies, exports to russia that their military needs, but also key industries in russia need, including their oil and gas industry. so i believe we should be moving sooner rather than later on that

front as well. >> senator, why -- just thinking of your expertise and knowledge and knowledge of history. why do you think putin is doing what he's doing now? >> well, that's a good question. you have what he says is the reasons regarding nato expansion. if you listen to that very surreal speech that he gave the other day, he has created this fiction that ukraine really doesn't have an identity separate from mother russia. that's a delusional point of view. it's making up his own history, revisionist history. if that's what's in his mind and motivating, he may well have already decided to invade. that doesn't mean we should not do everything we can to try to influence the decision, to try to get him to pull back from the brink. we cannot know whether that's

successful or not. we can only do what's within our control at this time. >> you know, the tensions between russia and ukraine are having an impact here at home. gas prices have gone up significantly in the last couple days. prices will sky rocket even further if there's an actual conflict, hot war between russia and ukraine. russia a major oil producing nation. some have discussed on capitol hill a bill that would suspend the federal gas tax of 18.4%. is this something you could support? >> well, i had questions about it. i was open minded about it before the latest actions. you know, putin's aggression against ukraine. i may take another look at that. beyond that relief, you know, i think we're also going to have to look at other things including helping our european allies who are especially

vulnerable to russian energy supplies, even with the good decision by the germans not to proceed with nord stream 2. jose, the reality is that this is a moment where we will have to experience some short-term pain in order to make very clear that putin cannot invade ukraine with impunity. there has to be a high price on him and his oligarch cronies. there will be a big price to pay. i'm not suggesting that price will deter him, but others around the world are looking. if they believe that they can get away with invading a democratically-elected government without penalty, that's bad news for the rest of us in the long run. >> i'm thinking very specific, there is someone who is looking very closely to what's going on

and it's xi in china and the people in taiwan have to be looking and saying, boy, you know, what's the message here, right? >> well, that's right. that's why it's so important that we, you know, unleash in a series of waves, depending on putin's actions, very, very tough economic sanctions. again, not just on banks which are important to cut off russia's access to the international financial system, but i do believe making sure we work together to cut off supplies of critical technologies will have an impact. if you're another country contemplating aggression, you'll see the cost of putin's actions. the main thing is people have to look back on this moment and

conclude that putin made a huge miscalculation, that this is a big blunder. that's got to be our goal. >> senator chris van holland, thank you for your time. >> good to be with you. we're keeping an eye on minneapolis where the jury is expected to deliberate on the trial of three former police officers charged with violating george floyd's civil rights. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." g "jose diaz-balart reports. (vo) verizon is going ultra! and so is manny! event planning with our best business unlimited plan ever! with 5g ultra wideband now in many more cities and up to 10 times the speed at no extra cost, the downloads are flying fast! verizon is going ultra, so your business can too.

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in the past against ukrainian ministries, banks and institutions. we anticipated this. the ukrainians have been expecting it. just last week a bank in the defense ministry was hit. this was expected from the russians to hit the ministries and particular institutions. what this seems to be based on the reporting we're getting is a denial of service attack, trying to take down the systems and take them off line. we don't have more details. of course, cyberattacks have scale to them. they can be anything from a denial of service, taking a website down, to infiltration to steal or lockdownesoy systems a destroy data. we know the russians have that capability. they have the ability to scale and we know that they have gotten into systems as we saw

just a couple years ago with the solar winds attack around the world. so, the russians are among the most sophisticated actors in this space. we know they apply hybrid warfare attacks. we know this involves cyberattacks. we knew their first set of tarts would be ukrainian targets. what's in question is whether they go beyond that to attack european or american institutions. >> juan, how prepared can the united states be to protect from cyberattacks when, you know, there a lot of private enterprise, private corporations throughout our country that are in charge of the electric infrastructure grid, of power, of gas, natural gas? in other words, how possible is it that we could be seeing something like that hit us? >> jose, you put your finger

right on the major vulnerability that the u.s. has. over 80% of cyber infrastructure is in the private sectors hands. we saw that with the colonial pipeline that took down that essential pipeline. so what has happened over the course of many years is an attempt by the u.s. government to work with the critical infrastructure sectors, energy, water, banking, finance, to make sure those systems are as hardened as possible. it relies very heavily, as you say, on the private sector. we've seen the fbi, dhs, parts of the u.s. government warning the private sector in recent weeks to be prepared to ensure their cyber hygiene is higher, to make sure awareness is there, that the russians and proxies for the russians may be using cyberattacks to influence in the context of a geo political

attack. >> i want to go to ken delaney. ken, what do we know about this cyberattack? >> reporter: ukraine's digital transformation minister confirmed to our colleagues in ukraine that there's a wave of cyberattacks hitting government websites and banks. he described them as denial services attacks. the parliament site is down and the cabinet of ministers website is down. when this happened last month, the u.s. government attributed this to russia based on intelligence, these same sorts of attacks. private security researchers

said denial of service attacks aren't very sophisticated. but embedded in some of these attacks has been wiper malware which has the potential to take down systems. officials fear that part of the game plan is to try to paralyze the ukrainian government as part of what juan called hybrid warfare if indeed this is russia. the u.s. government hasn't attributed this to russia. they did it rather quickly last month. they looked at the traffic that they said was coming from russian intelligence based platforms heading into ukraine. they said that was an indication to them that russia was behind those attacks in january, very similar to what we're seeing right now. >> ken and juan, thank you both for being with me. breaking news right out of ukraine. still ahead, the president has apparently narrowed his list to three. we'll get a report behind the scenes lobbying for the next

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the defense said these were relatively new officers. the prosecutors had to establish from a common sense standpoint there were a number of different things that took place during this incident, a number of things they should have known from a common sense standpoint that george floyd was in trouble and needed help and they violated their duty when they did nothing. when they walked the jury through each of those defendants and what each of them was doing throughout this whole incident, they talked about the two and a half minutes where george floyd was completely unresponsive. what they did is go beyond what the defense could have done in terms of trying to less concern the feel of responsibility or liability on behalf of those officers and they put it on their shoulders and basically said from a common sense standpoint, you knew there was something that needed to be done. even if you weren't adequately trained, which you were, you

still knew there was something you should have done. they did a good job of putting that together for the jury. >> i mean, this is such a clear case. i mean, even the bystanders there were screaming at the officers do something, help him. it was clear. how do you see the jury receiving this argument? >> i am concerned about the racial make-up of the jury to be candid. we do know this is an all white jury. that being said, we've seen all white juries of late make the right call on cases and come back with convictions. what i will say is the jury is likely not going to buy what the defense has been selling them in terms of what these officers ended up doing and why they did it. i think there are some arguments that could create some level of doubt with respect to the level of training or the degree of training.

ultimately i don't think that's going to be persuasive enough to get all the jurors on the same page in terms of not finding them guilty. >> this comes just a day after the men who were convicted of ahmaud arbery were found guilty of killing him because of his race. former officer kim potter was convicted in the death of daunte wright and prosecutors are preparing their prosecution against the officers in the raid that killed breonna taylor. how does our nation move forward? >> it's important on how we understand the conversation around america's racial reckoning. there's some progress being made, but we've yet to see true justice taking place. justice is a restorative concept. justice dictates there's something done to one party, that the party through justice

is restored and made whole. in the cases that we're talking about, unfortunately there is only instances -- these victims will never be made whole again. we can only hope for accountability. it's important to appreciate the fact we've made progress, but we're very far from -- breonna taylor whose killers have not been arrested and likely will never be arrested or prosecuted. there are so many different instances where we have injustice that is prevalent, so while we can appreciate what it means to get accountability, we have to understand there's so much more. i want to make one quick point before we get off. in a lot of these cases we're talking about, there's

situations where there's occular evidence, where there's video. we have to stop conditioning ourselves and be careful not to require there's video evidence in order to believe blacks about the violence they're experiencing at the hands of law enforcement. it's a critical point. it's been present in almost every one of these trials. it's not the requirement for us to have people be held accountable. >> sometimes, charles, however, the video is the only thing that causes justice to be served. do you know what i mean? it's this -- otherwise, we may not see any of this. >> right. that's the thing, that's the danger. i mean, you know, think about how many people experience violence, racially-based violence, violence based on their membership in a particular group, based on their sexual orientation or how they show up

in the world. think about how many people are persecuted in different ways, whether by law enforcement enforcement or every day citizens and there's no evidence on video. there's no dash cams. there's no body cams. are those people less deserving of justice and accountability? absolutely not. in some cases without that video, nothing happens. think about what it took for ahmed arbery's mother to persevere and just get an arrest. you already identified that district attorney, that prosecutor is going to be on trial for her inaction in this case. were it not for her perseverance we would not be having this conversation about ahmaud arbery. it wasn't until that video

surfaced that we understood what took place. we have to be mindful about accountability and justice and we don't make videos a requirement. we're conditioning ourselves to need it to believe it. >> charles, thank you for being with me. >> thank you, jose. meanwhile, the pentagon has approved the deployment of hundreds of unarmed national guard troops in washington, d.c., to help handle a potential convoy of trucker protests expected in the next couple days. the protests inspired by recent demonstrations in canada over that country's vaccine mandate. trucks blared their horns and blocked streets for week. joining me now leann caldwell. thank you for being with me.

leann, how is d.c. preparing? >> reporter: well the city says they're very prepared. they've asked the pentagon for national guard troops, so has the u.s. capitol police. the pentagon approved 700 national guard troops. we're seeing changes around the capital. the police are putting up barriers blocking some roads. there seems to be a little bit of confusion on exactly when these truckers are going to arrive. a small group of truckers was expected from pennsylvania. virginia state police tell us a flat tire has delayed their arrival. then there's a much larger convoy that is expected to leave today from california. that convoy is not supposed to be here until late next week. they would miss the state of the union. they say their goal is to protest in the area, although

they say they won't enter d.c. proper. there's a lot of unknowns, but the city says they're prepared. >> anna, looks as though the president has narrowed down his search for supreme court nominees. >> reporter: he's been doing interviews here. there's three black women who have interviewed for this position. it's going to be interesting. they say he's on track to make his selection before the end of the month. that comes before the state of the union. you have different members of congress, different constituencies. we expect it in a couple days. >> thank you both for being with me this morning. still ahead, president biden is certainly thinking ability how to act going forward as administration official joins us

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out of ukraine where the country's digital transformation minister confirms to nbc news that a cyber attack is under way against several ukrainian web sites after what president biden called the first tranche of sanctions against russia. he said russia could face tougher sanctions if it continues to take provocative steps. joining me is daleep singh. thank you for being with me. it's not clear who is behind the cyber attack. if it turns out to be russia, could this trigger more sanctions against moscow? >> i would point you to my colleagues on the cyber team. i don't have anything for you at the moment. the invasion of ukraine by russia has begun and we've begun our response. yesterday of the demonstration effect and it was a very strong

demonstration effect. we shut down russia's prize natural gas pipeline. we took out two of russia's major financial institutions, $80 billion in size from the western financial system. we removed russia. we cut off russia's government from financing itself from the u.s. and europe. and we took aim at russian elites who profited from raugs autocracy and now they're going to have to share in the pain. those costs can continue to ratchet higher as the invasion proceeds. >> when you talk about sanctions about five families. how are they going to feel it

in. >> it freezes any assets they have in the u.s. we know there's been a lot of dark money that's found itself into u.s. real estate. shell companies are often used to disguise the wealth and we're taking direct aim at their wealth and at their livelihoods. it's not you the elites themselves, it's also their family members. we know much of their riches are hidden through their kids and that's going to stop. >> how is that going to stop? i'm just wondering, you know, how this will actually be carried out. for example, there are, i presume, a lot of families that have had a lot of transactions in real estate, in the united states, throughout our whole country, in metropolitan areas and agricultural areas as well. so what's the message to them? >> look, unfortunately the russian oligarchy has been hiding its corrupt games for years in the west.

in the u.s., in london and in other major cities across the world. we are sending a chilling effect that we've been studying where they keep their money, we know where they hide it and it's going to be frozen and their ability to transfer it to safe havens is going to end. that's what this means. >> so what's the message going forward to russia? you just commented at the beginning of our conversation that the invasion of ukraine has begun. clearly sanctions by the united states have also just begun. what's the message to russia going forward? >> russia is unfortunately controlled by an autocrat. we don't control his decisions. we impose immediate and severe costs and atrophying the sources of russian power, its ability to diversify itself outside of oil

and gas and to modernize it, diversification away from you russian energy and by fortifying nato's eastern flank in the most unified and determined way in the past 30 years. we can do all of this with confidence with our way of life, our economic and political model. if russia wants to sequester itself from the west, that's a bad choice and we're ready to step up and advance our principles in defending ukraine. >> it is a pleasure to see you this morning. thanks for being with me. that wraps up the hour for me. thank you so much for the privilege of your time. lindsey riser picks up with more news after a quick break. lindsey riser picks up with more news after a quick break an't th!

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allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good. good morning, everybody. i'm lindsey riser in for craig melvin. as we speak, the u.n. assembly general is holding a meeting about the crisis. we got confirmation that government web sites were hit with a cyber attack. ukraine is moving to impose a state of emergency, even while kyiv's mayor is telling people not to panic. some