could fall in the coming days, jose. >> how close are people keeping up on what is happening around them and around the country? how much information are people having access to? >> reporter: people are glued right now to their cell phones, to their televisions. prior to the invasion happening, the thinking was the russians would cut off the electricity, power, cell phone communications would go. that hasn't happened. so people here are following the situation quite closely and, frankly, they're trying to leave the capital. thousands were seen at the city's central station today trying to crush into the trains to get away from the city, jose. >> erin mclaughlin, thank you so much and thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more breaking news right now.

good morning, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. as russia advances on ukraine's capital of kyiv and the people prepare for battle. more alarms and more people moved to shelters. they warned those north of the capital not to go outside saying russian saboteurs were disguised in the streets. the defense secretary said land transfers are becoming more difficult. this includes fuel and

ammunition. young and old just trying to stay alive. >> reporter: the children will be most traumatized. >> i don't know what we should do. should we stay here or should we move? >> this morning president biden has been meeting with nato allies in a virtual summit about the crisis. earlier on "morning joe," former secretary of state hillary clinton slamming donald trump and other republicans for their praise of putin. >> i think it's time for what's left of the republican party that has any common sense not just to say go help defend ukraine against putin but to stand against those people in politics and government, in the media and elsewhere in our own country who are literally giving aid and comfort to an enemy of freedom and democracy.

>> ukraine's president says according to information his country has, he has been listed as target number one and his family as target number two. in an extraordinary gesture that appears to have no recent precedent, the vatican has confirmed that pope francis went to the russian embassy in rome to personally express his concern about the war in ukraine. >> and more news, president biden intends to nominate judge ketanji brown jackson to fill the open seat on the supreme court. if confirmed, she would be the first black woman on the high court. joining us is kelly o'donnell and richard engel. richard, first to you. let's talk about what is happening on the ground there. >> reporter: just in the last few minutes, we've started to

hear deep rumblings to the east of mariupol. this city is on the sea of azoff and there are numerous reports that the russian troops that have been trying to come up from crimea and held back by ukrainian forces the last several days may be trying to make a breakthrough and pushing up into other areas here in the south. so it is something we will be monitoring. a lot of attention justifiably has been focused on kyiv, with russian troops in kyiv managing to break into one neighborhood in the north of the capital but the russian advance has not been without resistance. the russians have entered parts of kyiv but have not taken parts

of the capital. they are being held off in parts of the top of crimea, although it seems like they may be changing that dynamic as we speak and they have still not be able to enter the city of kharkiv. the ukrainian troops are putting up resistance. there are multiple front going on across this country and nothing has slowed down since the announcement of u.s. sanctions. if anything, russia is making its military objective more clear with russian officials saying quite openly they want a new government in kyiv, they believe the government of zelenskyy is radical and old fashioned and that is their intention by sending troops to other major cities, it seems

this operation is entering a new phase there this whole proposal by zelenskyy for talks has been shotdown. while putin was saying they would send a delegation to minsk for talks, he's demanding complete concession, never join nato, recognition of the breakaway regions as being russian. it basically giving up your country. he's said they would only take, according to a kremlin spokesman, once they stop fighting and lay down their arms. his main condition is that they

lay down their weapons and not fight and capitulate, saying they will discuss peace terms once they surrender. >> what we're hearing is the ukrainian forces are running short on supplies, on javelins and ammo and fuel and it's hard to resupply them because russia controls the airspace. >> reporter: what the military is doing and frankly i don't know how their supplies are for javelin. if they are complaining about them, it's perfectly believable because they have been using them to a great extent and the ukrainians have been putting out images of russian tanks they've been able to stop. i haven't heard they're running low on supplies but i know they are using them and using them to some effect. but what the russians are also doing now is arming citizens,

arming people who have military experience, handing out guns. in kyiv telling people to build molotov cocktails in their homes, i guess with the intention to drop them out their windows. you could see molotov cocktail battles. and officials are calling desperately for help. they are calling for the united states and european governments to kick russia off s.w.i.f.t. they are still insisting that the u.s. and other countries do more to remove russia from s.w.i.f.t. they want air cover and any kind of military and financial help they can get. >> and germany and others in

europe are blocking america from doing that because america can't control s.w.i.f.t., which is based in europe. kelly, president biden holding a summit with his fellow nato heads of state. what are we learning about that, given the fact that nato by some accounts, bill cohen said to me yesterday and others saying nato has been slow to activate that rapid response force to reassure the nato front line states. >> having this meeting is somewhat extraordinary, bringing together the 30 nations and there are questions about when and how quickly nato response forces, including 8,500 american service members who have been identified and not yet called up. they would be under the direction of nato military commanders. we've seen the forward motion of u.s. personnel who are u.s.

based, as well as european based who are operating unilaterally under american command. we've seen that already happening but not the nato response force. and that is a decision from the north atlantic council and also there are questions about how the organization, the alliance, can do things to try to arm ukraine, to fortify the defenses of these countries along the nato border there with concerns about the potential for a spillover, a non-nato country into a nato territory and the ongoing dangers there, the unpredictability of war. this is an important meeting of the president to be a part of. a little bit of that was public with the secretary-general making remarks, putting all of the blame on russia and then a private meeting that went on with the member nations. we've not had a full readout from the white house on what was discussed there but obviously the president is trying to keep the alliances with europeans and

member nations in tact. there's a lot of agreement, but as you pointed out, not exclusive agreement on matters like the types of sanctions and penalties to be levied against russia. andrea? >> kelly, thank you so much. and of course to richard engel. joining us is richard haas, president of the council on foreign relations and you'll have to rewrite the book another time. a great book it is but the world is changing so rapidly, the world as we know it since the end of the cold war, richard. based on the reporting we're hearing on the ground, russia bearing down on kyiv, president zelensky under siege. what are they willing to do? >> there's only a few right now that are on the table. one is sanctions.

problem with sanctions is not on the lack of consensus but they're not going to be decisive. they're more punitive than they are persuasive. we can strengthen nato, some things we can do. again, that doesn't change the dynamics but hopefully gives putin pause. i think the biggest question for nato is how does one supply ukraine with arms and or several weeks or months if this becomes a long occupation and insurrection against it? that means probably from a place like poland or romania, one would have to create a

sanctuary. that's the sort of scenario that nato better get serious about real soon. >> in terms of the sanctions, it's not a quick solution. second of all, it is -- s.w.i.f.t. is a european based system. they have control over it. america can't do it unilaterally. and third of all, putin has reportedly done a lot to protect himself, to shelter himself. he's got his own internal messaging system they've been expanding, he has been buying gold, he's been reducing imports and hurting russian consumers along the way for the last couple of years. so he has sheltered himself from the effect of western sanctions. >> all true. and as the crisis goes on and energy prices get higher, that gives him even more of a shelter. it's a great cushion.

again, s.w.i.f.t. is not some panacea. it's a messaging, communication system. there's other ways to make payment. what some people are worried about is if this sanction with s.w.i.f.t. would released, it would accelerate a global payment system and we would have less influence. again, though, i understand the focus on sanctions but there's nothing in the history of sanctions that suggest that even if we could get greater consensus or resolve that we seem to have that somehow that's the silver bullet. there's just nothing in history that suggests that. >> hillary clinton called out, without naming them, former president trump and mike pompeo

for praising putin as strong and savvy. it has been repeated and replayed on fox. this is the first time she's come out this strongly but what are we seeing in the republican party? i have not heard many voices criticizing -- he is the leader of the republican party in terms of all the polling, donald trump. >> i was a republican for most of my career and adult life. i don't recognize this party. it's the reason that a year and a half ago, two years ago i ultimately left it and became unaffiliated. i don't recognize it. i think there are still some republicans particularly in the senate who i do recognize, who have a sense of national security, who have -- who still believe the norm that politics do stop to the extent possible at the water's edge. you don't oppose a president pursuing an important foreign policy initiative simply because he's the president of the opposition party. to the contrary, you want to give him some slack unless the

differences are so profound and compelling you cannot. this knee-jerk opposition to what mr. biden is doing of a government that is violating the international rules, every time you any you can't hit another low, these people seem able to do it. and, you know, to me it just shows we have this combination, andrea, of the violation of international norms by putin and the violation of domestic american norms by mr. trump and several of those close to him. it's what makes this moment in history so perilous. we face china, we face russia, people for get about north korea and iran, we still have global issues like covid and climate. this is about as difficult and worrisome of an international

situation as i've ever encountered. >> thank you so much for bringing all that together. thank you, richard. we really appreciate it. >> any time. >> and making history on the supreme court. inside president biden's decision making to nominate judge ketanji brown jackson. and happens next in the nomination process? this is "andrea mitchell reports" a special edition on msnbc. on msnbc. rial that we use to make new bottles. that completes the circle and reduces plastic waste. please help us get every bottle back.

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joining me now is nbc news justice correspondent pete williams and kristen welker. pete williams, first to you. >> well, she certainly knows her way around the supreme court. she's a former stephen breyer law clerk. that's the man she would be chosen to succeed. she's a federal court judge and she was sitting on the bench hearing three cases this morning. still very active this morning. she came to the appeals court just eight months ago and when she was confirmed for that job, she got the vote of three senate republicans. that may have been a factor in the president's decision making,

given that she's already been confirmed twice by the senate. the first time was by voice vote. she before that was a federal trial court judge here in washington for eight years. she has extensive experience on the bench. she is a native of washington. she would not be the first with that distinction. brett kavanaugh also was. she said watcher her father working with his school books at night. her husband is a graduate of harvard law. she would be the first with extensive experience representing criminal experience and that would bring something different to the court. she also served some time on the u.s. sentencing commission, which is something else that she would have in common with

justice steven breyer and fun fact, when she was first nominated to be a trial judge, one of the people who spoke in favor of her confirmation was the former house speaker paul ryan. it turns out he is distantly related to her through marriage. >> that's all so interesting. a lot of differences there. it is the president's commitment of course when on this actual day in south carolina in the debate he made that commitment to jim clyburn. of course he's going to be disappointing the south carolinians but also lindsey graham who now says even though he voted for judge jackson on the court of appeals that he now has some questions about it because he really preferred the south carolina native judge childs. >> that's absolutely right. i do think that president biden was looking at the fact that judge ketanji brown jackson got three republicans to vote for her confirmation on the u.s. court of appeals. as you point out, lindsey graham

was one of them and lisa murkowski said today jackson is an experienced federal judge, i will conduct a thorough judge of her nomination and look forward to her public hearing before the senate judiciary committee and to meeting with her in my office. so that is the early reaction. you can expect there is going to be a lot of focus on those three republicans, but, andrea, this is a process that is just getting under way. we understand that president biden called the judge to extend the offer to her. it is exactly two years since president biden made that pledge to nominate a black woman to the high court. so now that day is here. and it is significant for that reason. it also of course comes against the backdrop of everything that we have been reporting on that's happening in ukraine. so it is going to be a remarkable split screen as well.

but the outreach, the process of reaching out to outside groups as well as lawmakers, senators on capitol hill has been robust and obviously will only intensify as the confirmation process gets under way, andrea. >> and, linda greenhouse, you've been covering the supreme court and writing about it as a scholar for so many decades. this will not transform the court but it's been a 6-3 court very strongly, but it is going to transform the back room, conference room deliberations to have this perspective. that's what history is all about. >> yeah, i mean, it's an exciting domination. i actually can't think of a supreme court nominee with a more impressive professional background, as we just heard. you know, wide ranging background, deep experience. though she's going to be the newbie on the bench, she'll

bring i think a lot of self-confidence and she knows what she thinks. it's going to be very interesting time. richard haas earlier in the previous segment, who has a book out called "the world, a very short introduction," i have a book in the same series, "the supreme court, a very short introduction," it's also very hard to keep up to date. >> she knows her way around as a former clerk, and other former clerks were nominated. but interesting she was a clerk for stephen breyer, whom she would be replacing. >> it's a little incestuous and justice breyer will keep that

six out of nine who clerked on the supreme court. nobody would have anticipated that a few years ago. >> and kristen, how are you hearing the white house is planning to try to get in confirmation done and get it done quickly? senator durbin wants to get it done quickly. there's so much at stake with a 50/50 senate. >> there's so much at stake. and i think you're seeing the way this administration is already juggling that very robust timeline that you just talked about with the realities of the fact that there is a lot happening right now that is complicating potentially the timeline and the focus of not only this administration but of course lawmakers as well as they grapple with this evolving crisis in ukraine. but they are determined to have this go quite quickly and that is why you have already had a robust outreach to capitol hill to outside groups to get people on board with this pick and to start getting those meetings set

up with senators on the hill and of course as you know, as we have reported, andrea, there will be essentially three sherpas led by former senator doug jones to help her through this process and to help facilitate this process, to make sure that it not only goes smoothly but goes quickly as well. andrea. >> it's a big day for the white house indeed, especially with the state of the union coming up and all of the ukraine news, this is one bright spot the president has been looking forward to. he certainly hopes so. to pete williams, thank you so much for all you do on this beat. our own expert linda greenhouse and of course kristen welker, thank you from the white house. and according to two sources familiar, kimberly guilfoyle and fiancee of donald trump jr. is

talking to the january 6 committee right now. we'll keep you updated if we learn any details. and russia's next move. up next, what putin and russia's foreign minister sergey lavrov say about their plans in ukraine as ordinary russians protest the invasion. this is a special edition of "andrea mitchell reports," we continue with "russia's invasion of ukraine." s invasion of ukraine."

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is in belarus and he seems to be making unnegotiable demands, beyond any concessions that any ukrainian would make. >> reporter: that's right, andrea. president putin in just the last hour or so appearing on russian state television speaking directly to the ukrainian military and urging them to mount a coup against president zelensky and the democratically collected leadership. he urged them to lay down their arms. but this was going a step further telling them seize power in kyiv and russia will negotiate directly with military authorities. i want to read up just a little bit of what he said because it really gives you a sense of the mindset of the president of the russian federation. she said to the ukrainian

military, "take power into your own hands. it seems it will be easier for us to come to an agreement directly rather than through this gang of drug addicts and neonazis who have settled in kyiv and took the entire ukrainian people hostage." andrea, just like you said, there are real reasons to question whether president putin, the russian government, are offering these negotiations in minsk in good faith while calling for a military coup against the people they would be sitting across the negotiating table from. belarus is hardly a neutral ven ue for these talks now. russian forces are driving south towards kyiv from belarus. there are reasons to wonder if this invasion of ukraine is not going quite as smoothly as the russian leadership was hoping

and that may be why they are speaking to the ukrainian military and urging them to take care of themselves. >> they say that this is to try to create an appearance and also information indicating russia plans to kill the family members of ukrainian soldiers if they don't surrender there's a lot of disinformation and propaganda that the state department says can be very dangerous and they're trying to warn people against it, emanating of course from moscow. thank you so much, raf. >> the russian -- >> go on.

i didn't mean to interrupt you. >> reporter: the russian leadership has been trying at all points to try and undermine the morale of the ukrainian military, to undermine the support of the ukrainian public for the ukrainian leadership. so not at all a surprise the state department would be urging them to ignore that kind of disinformation coming from moscow. andrea. >> thanks so much. thanks, raf. appreciate it. and joining us is former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfaul, an international affairs analyst. watching this from your perch and your deep knowledge and your communications with people in russia and in ukraine, how do you see this shaping up? we're getting reports of the ukrainian military fighting back, holding them off but running low on ammunition, on fuel, on other key supplies. and the supply lines are difficult. the secretary of defense has acknowledged because they don't have control of the airspace,

russia does. as well as this offer to go to minsk and start negotiating with, you know, incredible demands from putin today. >> well, andrea, on the thought of war and trying to figure out what's happening on the ground, it's difficult, as you've been talking about. all sides have an interest in shaping the information space here. on the ukrainian side they announced yesterday their first numbers, i think you read them off earlier, casualties, as well as civilians. 57 civilians and 169 wounded and they announced 800 fatalities of russian soldiers. it's a reminder as we watch this in realtime how difficult it is to figure out what is going on on the ground. some of my sources -- it's hard

to know what's going on. on the negotiations part, i was very struck by president -- that sounds like a man, a leader that is worried that his country is about to fall and he's trying to sue for peace.

as one of them said, mike, what are they going to do? if they take over the country, we have to negotiate with them. on the other hand, you have very mixed messages from moscow. the spokesperson for putin and, by the way, andrea, he's not just a spokesperson, he is very close to vladimir putin. he has been for many, many years, a quasi adviser, not just a spokesperson. he said we're prepared for talks, reacting to the zelenskyy comments and that got a lot of attention. and then you heard they're ready to send a delegation to minsk, though that doesn't seem like the best place to go for me. but then putin just got on tv and said we're not dealing with drug addicts. and remember, he said denaziification is one of his goals of the war and he considers the regime in power today to be neonazis and that

suggests he's not ready to sit down at the negotiating table with them. >> and one of the russian speakers who was watching putin has communicated that among the demands, you've heard some of these before, were recognizing crimea as part of russia, rejection of nato, no weapon supplies from the west, that the luhansk and donesk territories would become part of russia and he intends to keep those territories. >> so neutrality in return for some security guarantee from russia, that's before the war. now he's upped the ante. that seems like a very difficult thing for mr. zelenskyy to

negotiate. the tragedy of the war is the winner gets to dictate. it does sound like putin plans to win the war, occupy the cities and overthrow the government and then with some puppet regime negotiate all that list of demands, you know, could be even somebody he would bring back from russia, you know, mr. yanocovich is still there or one of his cronies inside ukraine and they could agree to that. it won't hold in the long run but in the short run that could be a dangerous, tragic solution. >> tragic indeed. mike mcfaul, this is all so heart breaking. thank you. and taking cover, how ordinary ukrainians have hunkered down or fled to stay safe in the invasion. you're watching special coverage of the russian invasion on ukraine. this is msnbc. this is msnbc.

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[ sirens blaring ] >> sirens going down in kyiv this morning. the government urging citizens there to move for shelters as they brace for what's to come. joining me is erin mclaughlin in kyiv. what is the situation there in e. >> reporter: hey, andrea, just a short while ago, really minutes, we heard sirens in the distance once again in the capital. just as i'm talking to you now, i just heard a boom to the right of me. another one just now. again, this is an extraordinary situation with explosions being heard here in the capital throughout the day. russian troops did manage to enter the city today, about two and a half miles from where i'm standing now. we heard gun battles going on as

residents were told to shelter in place, as russian troops pushed into the capitol, they were met by ukrainian military. and ukrainian authorities telling everyone in that residence area to stay inside because they believe that the russian troops somehow got ahold of ukrainian military uniforms and they were very concerned about what would happen if civilians walked out of their homes and encountered what they thought were ukrainian troops. we also saw some extraordinary footage of a russian armored vehicle, another boom as i'm speaking to my left, another armored vehicle veered into an oncoming civilian car and simply crushed it. really incredible, extraordinary, horrifying scenes. this is a city that is terrified, so much so that people are picking up weapons to arm themselves. yesterday we were outside the national police headquarters as they were handing out a.k.-47s.

thousands of guns have been given away essentially to civilians. people are being encouraged to arm themselves, to defend their country. i talked to one local member of parliament. he picked up two a.k.-47s, one for himself and one for his wife. he said he was going to hunker down in the suburbs and wait it out. take a listen to what he had to say. do you know how to use that? >> to tell the truth, i am not good at it but i understand. i just need to have some -- to find some quiet place and figure out how it works. >> reporter: you're going to google it basically? >> yeah, google it, too. >> reporter: and so many ukrainians that i've spoken to say they will do whatever it takes to defend their country, andrea. >> well, erin, thank you so much for all your reporting. i hope you're going to take shelter if it's necessary. i know you know what you're

doing there but it sounds ominous from behind you. thank you very much. and joining us now is the "new york times" diplomatic correspondent michael crowley. michael, you know, the situation in kyiv seems really buse belarus is a launching pad for a lot of this assault. and the talks seem to be fraught with other questions as well. >> absolutely. any russian offers at diplomacy at this point are entirely suspect. in fact, i think we have to ask ourselves what did the diplomacy that began months ago real ea amount to this whole time and was it a farce? was russia just stringing the u.s. and west along to prepare for it's invasion? and the idea ukrainian officials would go to belarus when they

have very good reason to believe they're personally targeted for either capture or possibly much worse is pretty difficult to imagine. so, i just think there's no reason to trust the russians at this point. >> talk to me about the refugee situation. 100,000 ukrainians have already fled. as many as 4 million could end up as refugees. poland is obviously right there on the front line. are the aid groups even prepared for are this? >> well, they're trying, andrea. but this has happened -- although the warnings have been coming for a while, the real potential scope has only donned on people somewhat recently and beyond the u.s. government, i think people found it hard to fathom that vladimir putin was going to follow through on an invasion of this magnitude. the u.s. government, i will say, has done some preparation here.

the 82nd airborne is in poland. they have been putting out information for americans. border crossing they can use for the several countries that border ukraine. it's going to be a better situation, hopefully, than in afghanistan, where preparation was really not very well done and we had total an arcy. i think it's going to be a lot to expect that there would be anything like an efficient processing and evacuation here. i think we could be in for a dire crisis. >> michael crowley, thank you so much. and want to show everyone this video from just a few hours ago. these are citizens heading to bomb shelters with their families, friends and pets. air raid sirens have been warning of incoming attacks off and on all morning. kyle perry is there. talk to me. this is about 300 miles west of kyiv right near the poland border. >> reporter: absolutely and

we're starting to get a better picture of what seems to be humanitarian crisis unfolding. we got video from inside where you can see folks who have just come from kyiv, trying to make their way to poland. a lot of people are getting stuck in this train station, having to wait, not able to get further travel. some folks are just going to be stuck where they are. folks that cannot find any housing will make their way to poland. we understand the back up at the polish border is 25 miles long. here's some of the video we had earlier today. there are soldiers moving towards kyiv. you have civilians moving west and soldiers moving east. some of the civilians say they want to fight as well. here's a little what they had to say. >> if we have to, we will fight. >> if we have to, we will fight because i'm not sure how it can be possible not to fight for this country.

military help and other help, every help possible because if we are not defeating russia, probably -- >> you will be next. >> the other thing that has developed in the last 24 hours is a ban on military-aged males being able to leave the country. i spoke to a 19-year-old kid. he was a kid taking his mom to the border and then he tds i'm not going to leave the country. i'm going to have to return and fight. i asked if he's scared. he said of course he's scared. >> cal perry and tell me, in terms of your situation, the american diplomats, they have not been commuting back and forth. assume they're in poland, not in kyiv. >> reporter: they're in poland. they're not going to make the commute anymore. there are other diplomatic courts but they're being cagey about who's here and not for

security reasons. and there's a concern of an internal threat. there are rumors that have run rampant that russian soldiers are putting on ukrainian uniforms and using ukrainian vehicles. we're seeing police pull over people to make sure they are who they say they are and in addition a curfew will start tonight. and this was supposed to be the safe place in ukraine. >> indeed. thank you so much, cal perry and thank you for joining us this hour. a busy hour. next week at 11:00, join peter alexander and kristen welker for a special edition of msnbc reports. they'll be live at the white house has president biden prepares for his first state of the union address. they'll take you inside the white house. white house reports all next week 11:00 eastern only on msnbc. and we'll be back with much more breaking news, including my conversation with senate arms

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