moxley. we were born exactly 49 years to the day apart. today, i proudly stand on judge motley's shoulders, sharing not only her birthday, but also her steadfast and courageous commitment to equal justice under law. >> the next supreme court justice gets tonight's last word. the 11th hour starts now. las word the 11th hour starts now >> good evening, i am alicia menendez, day 402 of the biden administration. it is early saturday morning, and ukraine's capital city of kyiv. right, now this home to some 3 million people, under siege by russian forces. explosions have been rocking the city, well fierce fighting is being reported across the country. this video of combat overnight near the kyiv zoo, captured by ukrainian journalists.

[noise]. >> just hours ago, ukraine's president zelenskyy posted this video from an undisclosed location. warning the fate of ukraine is being decided now. the west is now directly sanctioning russian president putin and his foreign minister, sergey lavrov. the eu and the uk were first to announce the move today, followed by the u.s.. >> an alignment with the decision by our european allies, the united states will join them in sanctioning president putin, and foreign minister lavrov, and members of the russian national security team. >> the u.s. and its allies are also stepping up their defensive military posture. nato today activated its rapid

response force for the first time ever, to protect allied nations around ukraine. and tonight, the pentagon says some 3800 troops from georgia are being deployed to europe to support nato. according to the new york times, that brings the number of american troops now on the continent to nearly 100,000. let's get to matt bradley, our nbc news foreign correspondent live in ukraine. and nbc news foreign correspondents, rough sanchez who is following the latest from moscow. matt, i know it is early morning there, but describe the unsettling night you have just experienced where you are. >> yes. i have got to tell you alicia, the situation here, we wanted to come to you with the balcony, with all of our lights, but they were heavily armed police who came to us here in dnipro and told us to shut off all of our lights. to pull the curtains, and do this inside. so that is why i am coming at you with this bizarre, very dark look.

but i have to tell, you what is going on in kyiv right now, this is the night according to president zelenskyy. i am watching this through a peep hole. i don't know exactly what is going on, and i have to say, neither do know most people who are actually in kyiv right now. just judging from social media, we can understand that there are small arms fire going into the middle of the city. judging from what president zelenskyy said, he said that this was the night that all ukrainians have to stand up and fight for their country. but i have to tell you, 48 hours into this, it looks as though kyiv might be on the precipice of falling, and the government there might succumb to this russian invasion. just 48 hours. that sounds like a very fast blitz effort by the kremlin to get into, and remove the government. if they succeed, that will be devastating. but the fact is, the ukrainian defenders have done better than anyone. maybe even a lot of the ukrainian top raskin even

thought they would. we even heard from -- who is talking to u.s. officials, they said that the ukrainians have put up quite a bit of a defense. i'm frustrated the russian invasion on multiple fronts. multiple axes. and the russians were probably expecting much less resistance than they actually did. i am going to go out on a limb here and tell you that i think that the fact of the matter is, this battle, this war, is probably going to turn into something of a protracted insurgency, or a guerrilla campaign against russian occupation, or against whatever government the russians put in place. but right now, this is a decisive moment, vladimir putin has made very clear that his intentions here are something like regime change. that regime will not be welcome by the ukrainian people. >> my broadly for us in ukraine, thank you so much. please stay safe. what is putin's focus now, has

he brought up possible peace talks today? any chance of diplomacy at the stage? >> so, he brought up the possibility of peace talks, but as matt was just saying, his forces are closing in on kyiv. it is not clear if there will be a ukrainian government to negotiate with in the coming days. for what it is worth, the offer, or proposal from the russian side is that both ukrainian and russian officials would meet in minsk, the capital of belarus, to begin peace talks there. in some ways that made sense, minsk in the past has been a neutral venue for the two sides to meet. we had the mix one and two agreements that were brought out there. but, belarus is no longer neutral territory. today it is a staging grounds for the russian military. those troops who are closing in on kyiv, many of them have been deployed from belarus. despite all of that, ukrainian governments say they are still

prepared to have talks with the russian governments. president zelenskyy even proposed he would be face to face with vladimir putin. i think there is almost no chance of that happening. putin has denounced him, and his government as neo-nazis and drug addicts. but i think in terms of this potential approach to a negotiating table, zelenskyy's best hope, and it is one that he has stated publicly, it is that the ukrainian military and these resistance units may put up enough of a fight that putin will feel he eventually has no choice but to come and talk. >> thank you so much for taking the time being with us. with that, let's bring in our lead off guest on this friday night, peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the new york times who was once the moscow bureau chief for the washington post. foreign policy reporter for the wall street journal, and tom nichols, contributing writer to the atlantic and professor of the national security affairs at the u.s. naval war college.

we should note that the opinions tom expresses our his own. i want to express with you would it mean to seek to fall to russian forces? >> this is what the military had anticipated. they had projected prior to the were starting that this could be a two or three-day lightning blitz from the troops that are stationed in belarus, down to kyiv, and taking over the capitol. the question then becomes, what comes next? what is that the russians intend to do here? he wants to decapitate the government, but then what? if you were to decapitate the government, and put one of his own in place, does that indicate that he would at some point withdraw to allowed a new government to try to rule with moscow's -- or would there be an occupation of russian troops on foreign soil? that is the real question at this point. it is such a dramatic moment, kevin is a beautiful city for those of us who used to live, there and those of us who still live out there, and it has been a jewel in that part of the world. i have to say, somebody who

spent time there, it is tragic, and miserable to watch these pictures, and see with the people there are suffering. it is hard to imagine. we are seeing this kind of warfare, reminiscent of what we haven't seen in that part of the world since 1945. >> vienna, when peter talks about putin's desire to decapitate the ukrainian government, ukraine's president zelenskyy sent out this video earlier in which he said he would. stay in ukraine as you all know, he came to power as a political novice, he is now a wartime leader who says that he is russia's number one target. tonight, reporting the u.s. is ready to get him out of the country, how much of a risk, vivian, is he taking by choosing to remain in ukraine? >> it is a risk. alicia, i just got back from ukraine myself where i was reporting on presidents lewinsky -- and throughout this whole buildup to what we are seeing

this week, he has tried to maintain calm, and has insisted that essentially, the country has been under threat for the last eight years. so they have been preparing for this moment, ultimately, with the help of the u.s. and western allies, in terms of their military aid, and their training, and their funding to the military, and to the government. so, he has now gone out there and has chosen not to flee the country, but to be the face of this uprising. one of the things that he, and a number of his cabinet ministers told me while i was there, is that we are a country of veterans. so ultimately, even if our military is not alone able to confront russian aggression, everyone else has served in the military at one point in the other in their lives, and they are going to take up arms and defend this country to the death. that is what he seems to be doing as well. he was standing there in that video, showed with a number of his inner circle, saying that

they are all here, they are standing here in the middle of the city, and we are going to fight for ukrainian sovereignty, and that is the steps the cranium government has taken throughout this crisis. >> tom, you layer on top civilian effort, the u.s. sending more troops to nato, it is activated, its response force for the first time ever, how likely is putin to try to move past ukraine? >> well, if this operation succeeds, below hanging fruit i think is moldova, which already has a separatist movement and it, and is a divided state. i want to believe that he is not actually going to try to reconstitute the entire soviet union by attacking nato territory. which would mean world war. i think he has got his hands full in ukraine, he may be looking at other areas, again like a separatist area and moldova, but i think the

resistance he has faced in ukraine is probably going to scale back some of those ambitions, at least we have to hope so. >> peter, putin seems to be working to angles. hinting at talks, i don't know if you can actually call them peace talks, also calling on ukraine's military to mount a coup against zelenskyy. talk about his strategy and his thinking here. >> i think putin's ideas of talks is you surrender, and i will be happy to listen to it. i think at this point he made very clear from actions, that is what really matters. his words, and the words of other russian officials, they do not have a lot of value. the russian officials were the ones who told us that the americans were making it up, when they said that putin was about to negotiate. the word is hysteria, and false information, misinformation. false information of course coming from moscow. so i don't think that anyone takes very seriously this idea that there is any kind of diplomacy on the table at this point. but the problem is, he has bought himself a situation where, he cannot know for sure

how it is going to end either. occupation is not something that will necessarily go easily. as we have seen ourselves, the united states and other countries, we have seen ourselves in places like afghanistan and iraq, a population that is not interested in foreign -- on their soil, simply taking out the capitol, and taking out the government is not the end of the story. you have 44 million people in ukraine. they do not buy large want russia to be taking over. president zelenskyy, rightly pointed out there is a lot of people there who have guns who are going to take that to some sort of an occupation resistance that could last for months, if not years. >> vivian, you have the resistance that is coming from inside the country, you also have these new direct sanctions. what are they going to mean for putin and his inner circle? >> it is hard to say at the stage. president putin, obviously the fact that he has been sanctioned is a very rare and very significant moved by the biden administration, also by the eu, and the uk.

whether that impacts him severely remains to be seen. he is largely consolidated. his assets, and a number of his activities to russia, because of the fact that he anticipated that this could happen at some point, obviously tensions have been building, even before president biden took office. so, this has been the problem, and some of the criticism that the biden administration faced in the last week or so, was with regard to the sanctions that they promised, as much as they are trying to deal a blow to the russian government, and especially to vladimir putin, the russian government has seemed to maneuver around the sanctions that they have faced over the years. in this case, they know that it is coming. then you sort of, approximately, where the biden administration and the other western governments would target. so whether or not he actually has a huge impact, remains to be seen. but it will definitely slow things down, and that is

preliminarily when these western governments are aiming to do. >> let me ask, you when it comes to the sanction, is there still more left to do? >> definitely. official that i have spoke, to i wrote about it today in fact, they are really looking at all the banks. all the russian banks. this is something that they are targeting, they want to do this, they are trying to aim largely at the financial sector. we also heard from u.s. officials today that they are actually still considering removing russia from -- where banks essentially talk to each other globally. that wouldn't really be a significant blow to the russian economy. but the fear all along is removing russia from this could actually just have an impact around europe in terms of impacting economies that have links to the russian economy. so that has been the concern all along. but the biden administration

now seeing the aggression of the russian government, and the russian military, taken on to ukraine, they are now considering removing russia. that would be very significant. it is one of the tools they still have in their back pocket if this continues to escalate. >> i have to tip my hat to you, because this is the most -- explanation of swift that i have heard today. tom, you wrote about how this conflict could become a nuclear crisis. i appreciated that as you laid out those various situations, you admit a lot would have to go wrong in order for this to be the reality. what concerns you most tonight? >> well, one of the things that i am worried about -- first if you unleash 150 troops in the middle of europe, you are rolling the dice no matter how safe you think you are. i think it is important to emphasize peter's point, i personally don't think putin has fought through the endgame.

i think he thought he would be treated as a liberator, and it has turned to exactly the situation that he and his military did not want to face. the thing that concerns me is that putin, who i think has become increasingly unhinged, his last three speeches were really pretty delusional, and pretty off the wall. he is going to look for people to blame. and he is already darkly hinting that things are going wrong because of the west. if he decides to identify the united states and nato as the reason that somehow the ukrainians do not want to be ruled from the kremlin, he could ratchet up tensions. there is also, i think the more likely -- that is one thing that could happen, but the more likely problem is just an accident. with this many moving parts, something can always go wrong. it has happened in other war zones. in syria, turkey, in a low country shot down a russian jet

that had strayed into his airspace. these kinds of things are part of the fog and unfortunate of war. a lot of folks on edge, with a guy in the kremlin who i think has become increasingly in a bubble, and increasingly paranoid, there are a lot of things that can go wrong. but again, i hope that cooler heads are prevailing all around. but with the biggest war in europe since world war ii, there are a lot of things that can go wrong. we just have to take that into account, and be aware of it. >> unhinged and delusional released as it all. peter baker, vivian, tom, thank you all. coming up, today's other big story. she reportedly wants took a drama class with matt damon, now she could be the first black woman on the supreme court. look at the debate that comes next. and leader, ukrainians, some in their 70s, picking up arms, willing to die for their country. they are back in the war zone, just ahead. the 11th hour just getting

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>> well you let it to exactly where i wanted to go. after just months to confirm her to the bench, you have senator lindsey graham having this to say about the nomination. quote, the radical left has one president biden over yet again. you know this isn't his topic. your thoughts on what is motivating this commentary? >> well, i think the supreme court fights, unfortunately, have become in many cases, a part of affairs. even though historically we have seen many examples where the supreme court nomination isn't really fights. in my conversations with senior republicans today, with republicans on the hill, senior staff. i think it is very clear that republicans understand a few things are at play here. first of all, just jackson is going to be confirmed. second of all, it won't shift the balance of the court. i don't fully respect rare

publicans to put up a good fight. you're going to hear a number of republicans express commentary, expect concerns about the jurisprudence, that's possible in this process. that being said, they are not gonna put up the kind of a full fledged fight, that we have seen from democrats towards republican nominees, and republicans towards democratic nominees. the reality is she was replacing justice fryer, and this is a reality check. republicans would rather be focused on other issues as they move towards midterm elections in november. >> i also want to bring this in, the ap has this to say about judge jackson. quote, at harvard she studied government but also was involved in drama and musical theater, and part of an improv group called on thin ice. at one point, she was and signed my actor matt damon as a drama class partner, she has

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situation on the ground in ukraine. as citizens their search for safety. the fighting has already battered cities and towns, and now there are fears that russia may be changing its fears towards protection. here we have in ukraine, following the latest. >> as russian forces push further and further into urban areas of ukraine, the humanitarian crisis is only growing worse and worse. we were in a train station today, in lviv, that is thou the crossroads of this war. you have soldiers in every direction. reminding our viewers, that if you are between the ages between 16 and -- you are not to leave this country. you are to go forward and fight the russians. but at the train station, we were met with the faces of new

refugees displaced because the fighting in kyiv. and it is an incredibly emotional scene. >> i have seen guys from the military, -- if i were a young girl, it would be different. i am 73. they will not take me. i will go. >> the united nations says for their part, a lot of citizens are already on the move. this will only go routes as the fighting continues and spreads across the country. this is a city that is coming out of its first night of curfews. the security situation here is ever a volleying. there he rumors running rampant that russia has -- we've seen this, sort of, double the amount of police on the street. getting stopped by ukrainian police, checking their i.d.s, concerned about attacks.

>> thank you. even as russian forces close in on the capitol, earlier today, a senior u.s. official told nbc news that russia has been slowed by supreme resistance. former cia director offered this analysis. >> the ukrainian commanding control. they have not taken even remotely a major city at. they are returning more significant resistance and determination than they expected. and by the way, this was always the question that we had. will the ukrainians? fight will zelenskyy lead this country or will he do it as afghan e did and pack up and leave? we have answers to that. they will fight. and by the way, it appears that the citizenry has been -- to fight as well. >> with that, we're asking former chief of staff in the cia and the pentagon, joining us live. and the senior fellow of the

atlanta -- i want to start with you. you are in kyiv, what are you seeing and what is it like? >> first of all, good morning. i have been hearing explosions throughout the night. i see it clear as outside as i'm looking at my window, at the -- the russian army has not taken over this country yet. but today -- yesterday i saw men going to a fear recruitment center to take up arms to fight russians. several of my friends have gone. it has been an overwhelming number -- going to these places, seeing some of the automatic weapons. we've also seen a mask group of people leaving the city. people with long lines and cues. atm's. people are trying to get food. those who want to stay. it's a degree of panic, but it

is not chaos right here. given everything that is happening. it is a miracle isn't chaotic. >> jeremy, you hear terrell's reporting from on the ground in ukraine. you listen to what the general saying earlier. did putin underestimate ukraine's ability to defend itself? and perhaps, more to the point. the will of the ukrainian people to fight for their country? >> way too soon to tell. we are 48 hours into this combat situation. right now, the russians have landed a lot of forces on the ground. they have obviously encountered some resistance. we've heard of battles at the airport, we have heard of battles into the major cities. we've heard even, rick remained shutting down russian airports. those are reports we're seeing on social media, and also stated by the ukrainian government. what we do not know yet is how close the russians are to controlling vladimir zelenskyy.

it certainly has been coming in these initial two days, but the russians have a very capable force. what i will say i think that they possibly anticipated that they would be making advances much quicker. and to ukrainians credit they are putting up a fight. they are stopping the rights. they are forcing the russians to alter the strategies. can ukrainians keep it? up this is why i think they're gonna intensify in the coming days for the united states and the west for powers. to provide more weaponry, more training to the ukrainians. so they can increase the cost on the russian army as they come towards kyiv. >> and we will link back to that question. but terrell, i do want to ask you. you had the opportunity to travel around a bit. how are you getting around right now in terms of food, basic necessities? >> as best as they can right now. shells have been emptied. people are, relying on one another. depending on where you are in the city, you actually cannot

find something. but again, it really varies. and as you said, we are in to day two of this. the main thing, people are trying to seek shelter. a lot of people are not necessarily looking at the -- people of not even eaten in days. there are people that i know that have been bunker down, that have not eaten. that is not the priority. people are frightened off their apple tight. i know i have been. you can't find food, you just have to wait for it. as far as the restocking of shelves, again, every 48 hours into this. that's something i'm trying to find out today. >> so you are moving into this community but you're also a journalist by trade. what are you hearing from ukrainians you're speaking? who are they resolve to fight back? >> yes, i hear my friend andré right now getting ready to go to with his colleagues to the fight. it is a very personal pain that

is difficult for me. but every ukrainian i know says that they are going to, they would rather fight and die, rather in their words, be slaves, to russia. welcome to hell. is what they're saying. so they have been resolved, walking the hell. we are gonna make this a hellish experience for you. and we will die. so the fact that we are -- and given the large of the russian military. i see buildings burning, and see russian troops down the sea right now. it's a tribute to the unit cranium military for not being here right now. and -- what the russian army doesn't show, but if the ukrainians are fighting back. >> china today declined to vote with russia to veto the -- but instead to abstain the

allies. and denied to send troops to join the offensive. is there a sense that putin's allies are not as loyal as he believed? >> i think it is a low bar and china cleared it. i look more at the lions state by xi jinping and -- but i do think that this alliance that they have created. this access that they are formed, is the defining line between the united states, our western allies, and all democratic nations, and the autocracies of china and russia. i think it is too early to make an excess meant that putin's allies are not standing by. especially in the port of belarus. but that is the fundamental feature of the russian forces to global of friends. they don't have many friends, they feel isolated and supported by nato. we are the country who -- and that is the advantage that we have to press to support the ukrainian people at this perilous hour. >> please stay safe.

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the russian and they xin into ukraine, he also made a historic supreme court nominee with judge ketanji brown jackson. this headline from nbc news subs it up. this quote, presidential test for no other for biden. here is just the sum of what we saw this week. >> this is the beginning of a russian invasion of ukraine. who in the world's name does putin think gives him the rights to declare news so-called, countries, on territory that belongs to his neighbors? >> -- there is no purgatory for roar criminals. they go straight to hell, ambassador. >> putin is the aggressor. putin chose this war. and now he is country will bear the consequences. >> as we watch freedom and

liberty attack abroad, i am here to fulfill my responsibilities to the constitution to preserve freedom and liberty. my nominee for the supreme court's judge ketanji brown jackson. >> with this, historian john, he is the american chair and -- at the university. he talks to biden about his historical -- and presidential speeches. walk us through how critical week this was for the biden presidency? >> it was a martyr kabul week for the presidency and for us. every generation of americans is ultimately judged by the extent to which the wee or they expand freedom. with the defense of existing -- but also, how do we grow the mission of the american, and declaration of independence, and constitution for all of their flaws. it's dedicated to the idea that

in fact we are created equal, and we have those rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. what we are seeing abroad is tragically another chapter in the oldest story in his men kind. which is the will to power. putin wants something. he wants it for economic power, for global power, for raw power, and he is allowing his ambitions, his appetite, to overrun the rule of law. and that is what has led to so many cataclysms. in history. for millennia. but at least over the last century or so, the first world war, the second world war, the cold war, which was hot in places. although interestingly, did not feature a direct confrontation between the united states and the then soviet union. and at every point, the american presidents and the

american people of that time, were called on, to be engaged in the work of the world. winston churchill came to the united states in 1943, in the middle of the second world war. he gave a speech at harvard in which he, the speaking pace of the isolation in this impulse in the united states. which kept america out of the second world war from september 1939 all the way until the middle of december 1941. and he said, you cannot become the greatest nation in the world, and say, we are not going to be interested in what happens elsewhere. he said, with greatness comes responsibility. and that generations that understand that, and under on that, are the ones we need to under the most. at home, you see the points of the nominations of judge jackson. again this attempt to make us a more partner with union. to have this immensely

important institution, reflects the diversity of the america that we are. that we are becoming. so i think when people like me look back, and right about president biden and right about this phenomenal era. that really has been unfolding since the end of the obama administration until this hour when there is a crisis of democracy and faith at home and the hot crisis of democracy and of faith abroad. and we are gonna be looking at this week. >> part of what is so fascinating to me, john, is the exact prism under which president biden launched his campaign for president. that there were going to be people -- they were going to be challenges abroad. part of his appeal to the american people is that they need people who are ready on day one who could face those challenges. how we seen that borne out in this? week >> you are right. the president, early on, articulated the generational struggle between georgia democracy and autocracy.

not unlike, the 1930s. 1932 when roosevelt defeated president hoover. we were in a moment when dictatorship was on large. when there is a men's crisis of faith. and whether the american constitution was commiserate to the challenges of the depression of the world. there were big books. and limburg, charles lindbergh's wife wrote a book, called the way of the future. and the way of of the future was not democratic capitalist. but totalitarianism. that the world is moving so fast, the challenges were so complex, that you would need a more authoritarian governments to balancer those challengers. gee, does that sound familiar? we are seeing that in the american role, in the stand that we are taking, god willing, against russia. in some ways, against china as well. so, there is something at once

quite agents about what we are seeing. and very new. and i think that what's does separate the past from the present, is, even fdr did not have to deal with as deep, and as dedicated an oppositional force at home, that seemed so devoted to undoing this imperfect, but, perfect-able experiment of democracy itself. i think it is a set of unique challenges for the president. it's a set of unique challenges for all of us. remember, politicians are makers of who we are, absolutely. but they are also mayors of who we are. and so, what we have to do is citizens, and as stress test of citizenship, is, i believe, understand that these are immensely complicated tasks.

and decide, how do we want this generation, our time on the stage, to be commemorated. do we want to be the generation that rose up against isolationism, and racism, and extremism, and said all our pro factions, a merica's worth defending. or do we want to be a country that allows internal divisions and appetites to undo this experiment. this really is that fundamental. i don't mean to be overly grand on a friday night, but when you really look at all the pieces, i really think that is the common thread. >> if i did not want overly grand on a friday night i would not asked to speak with you. john which in, thank you so much for your time and all of that contacts. we'll pick up special coverage on the attack of ukraine, after this break. ukraine, afte

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