tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC February 25, 2022 9:00pm-10:00pm PST
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♪♪ [yawn] bro trip! if you book with priceline, you'll save more, so you can “broooo” more. [impressed] broooooo. broooo!!!! broooo!!!! broooo!!!! [in unison] brooooooooo!!!! [splash] [disappointed] broooo... good thing you saved on the trip! priceline. every trip is a big deal. good evening, it is midnight here on the east coast. but in the city of kyiv it is 7 am. the sun has just risen on day three of russia's attack on ukraine. there have been explosions, and hillary artillery fire in kyiv before sunrise. this video was taken by a reporter for the kyiv independent newspaper, showing
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combat fire near the kyiv zoo. the times reporting that early in the morning there were sustained, small arms fire in central kyiv among explosions. the times also reported automatic gunfire coming from the residential neighborhoods in the northern part of the city. around midnight in kyiv, the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyy, warned the russians -- if the capital falls, soon after so could the entire country. zelenskyy said the fate of ukraine could be decided this evening. with sun now risen over kyiv, that fully joint attacks appears not to have come, at least not yet. u.s. embassy in ukraine has also offered a fresh warning rates a night. for any american citizens who may still be in ukraine, they say the situation still remains highly volatile. u.s. citizens should be sure to locate next to the nearest
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shelter, or protected space. the television states offered tutorials on how everyday citizens can use a molotov cocktail against the invasion. this morning, nearly 15,000 ukrainians have fled the country. cross borders into neighboring nations. of those left behind, we see remarkable acts of bravery. men and women given long lines to donate their blind -- over nary surveillance taking up the fight. they said earlier today, russians have met unexpected resistance from the ukrainian people during the attack. and the invasions is moving more slowly than russia out. ukraine is saying that it's resistance resulted in the death of 2800 russian troops, and has destroyed 80 russian tanks, but it is been several days of loss for ukraine to. as one of the most powerful armies in the world, it continues to bear down on its capital city. ukraine officials have not
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given of david casualty report since last today. when they announced at least 137 ukrainian soldiers have been killed, and more than 300 have been injured. the un today saying they have been seeing increase reports of civilian casualties as well. according to u.s. intelligence, the goal of russia's attack is to decapitate ukraine and install a pro russian regime. step one of that plan should be taking control of the capitol. but as of this morning, as of sunrise, kyiv remains under ukrainian control. joining us now from the city of lviv in western ukraine, to which people have located. here's nbc news reporter cal, cal waters is looking like where you are? and one of the reports coming from? kyiv many miles east of you. >> the world went out to many of kyiv on telegram, telegram
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assistance is basically a cloud based messaging system. i'll reach a little so you can understand a little bit of what people on the ground are going through. active fighting is going on our city. please stay close if possible if you are in a shelter, do not leave. it do not go behind doors, and cover yourself from something that will prevent injury from bullet fragments. if you hear air -- go to a shelter immediately. standard for the couple few days. but the last 12 hours has seen fiercest fighting. and it is closing in on the central areas, those government held areas. those government buildings in the center of the city. where i am, and 350 miles away. we're seeing an influx of red cheugy's. we're seeing an influx of those people as they try to make their way to where i am. final destination for so many of these folks, is in that border with pelosi about 50 miles from where i am. it's becoming and completely
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incompatible. there was a seven mile of cars waiting to get out of the country. some folks deciding to walk that distance. it is not a guarantee that you will ever get in, the line for pedestrians is really as long. on the polish side of the border, there is a backup for miles as well. you have a combination of families trying to get friends, get loved ones. people trying to come in and fight. yesterday, i had some time to spend at the translation here in lviv, it was a juxtaposition of a country at hall or. you have the soldiers head in towards the front. you have the civilians fleeing. it was an emotional scene. here's some the sound we were able to gather yesterday. >> why do you willing to do for this country? are you willing to how people are displaced? are you willing to? fight >> if we have to. we will. fights >> if we have to, we will fight. because, i'm not sure how it can be possible not to fight for this country. when there are people.
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and for the people we need to fight. >> how old are you? >> i am 19. >> what will you do now? will you got a poll? and >> [inaudible] 18 to 16 right now, because of everything. >> so will you don't fight? >> if i need to. >> if i need to you will fight? >> military aged males are banned from leaving this country. so that 19-year-old kid, is likely gonna be headed to the front. now the un is estimating at least 100,000 people are already on the move. ali, it's gonna be a gross underestimate or at least, and early reports, with the violence that we're seeing in kyiv, and more around. >> that young man you are talking to saying people between 18 and 60 have been
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forbidden from leaving the country. we've seen a few european countries, even ireland, saying that if you are in ukraine and need to get out, you can come to us. we've seen companies in some eastern european countries say, if you need help we will try to get you out to us. but we are talking about numbers that are far in excess of what people are here or there. poland is a nato country, a lot of people want to get to a nato country. because nato countries are protected by the 30 countries of nato, including the united states. >> yeah, absolutely. and keep in mind, we are doing this all in a pandemic. we're seeing it as that happens in the pandemic. the polish government training drop some of the polish requirements. but unable to drop them entirely. so if you're ukrainian citizen and cannot provide a test in the next 24 hours, and how difficult would be to find one right now, you have to quarantine. and you're lucky that it will be in a camp that is set up. but for so few have been set
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up. they are getting going. i did see a video about an impressive campaign bowled over. more than 1000 people i've already creviced over into moldova. the government is saying that they need a passport. if you have an i.d. you are able to cross and get over into the encampment. but the fear, or the reality here, is that the situation here is going to get much worse. the fighting does not seem to be coming even closed or have a conclusion on the other side of the country. for where i am here, again, this was supposed to be the safe city. this was supposed to be the fallback city for diplomats. well the u.s. symptomatic for says that this is no longer the second option. they do not want to make that cross so they are stealing in poland. and, there are air sirens of the morning. amateurs step inside ali, we're still broadcasting. when these air sirens go off, you are gonna see folks going
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to -- a let mark zoom in. this is the second siren we've had this morning. we have not had any explosions, no air strikes in around the city. as i said, this was supposed to be the safe place. this was supposed to be the fallback location. for -- four civilians. it has not. we have had a security situation here, it's been devolving solely. there is a continuing to concerned that the russian army is taking off their uniforms and taking ukrainian uniforms to put them on. we cannot confirm it. but we have this, people are spooked. the security services are gonna be increasingly concerned. and we are seeing more and more of these air sirens, and security threat here. >> and cal, as we listen to that, i just want to underscore with you. that lviv was a place where the american and the sea and the places, as you said, went to get out of kyiv. because of the danger that was
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posed. there was always a thought that the russians would like to go as far as kyiv. the eastern part of ukraine, has traditionally been opposed more by russia. it was thought that it would start in those eastern republics, that are not really republics, but russia hasn't recognized as independent states. and even moving to places as west as kyiv. there have been attacks in western ukraine. in places close to where you are. south of where you are. this is a very different understanding than what we had, even a week ago. as to what this invasion and attack with look like. >> and i think what you're saying explains a lot of wet we've seen in the last 24 hours of this rush of folks who are trying to leave at the last minute. for the last few weeks, it's been largely the american administration that was talking about the imminent danger. the details of a wild scale invasion. the president downplayed those fears. and as you pointed out, there was the thinking that russia
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likely the russians would not invade. or if they do invade it will only be the small part of the eastern country, where there is only been fighting for a few years. they couldn't possibly move on the capitol. and now there's a disability that spread across the nation. people didn't believe they wouldn't move at the capitol even though people had video of them showing them inside the city center. so you have this view constantly shifting for the public here. and no question, as i said, 350 miles from the center of kyiv. on the doorstep. 50 miles as course to the border with nato. and the thinking was that vladimir putin would never come this close to the border. >> he would never do anything this close to the border. but as you said, we knew there was a strike very -- it is surprising nonetheless. but as you see, you can see, ali some people take it seriously. other people trying to go about their daily lives. again, transitory city. you have folks trying to get
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from one train station to a bus station. or one train station to -- her. you're gonna see folks with a lot of luggage coming on the left side in about 40 seconds. you're gonna see folks with their luggage. just trying to get what's of the city while these air attacks are going off. the sort of, sad reality of leaving kyiv. coming all the way here to a safe place. getting off a train, or a bus. and an air raid sirens starts going off. it is something that is demoralizing. >> and the world needs to start getting prepared for the idea that we are about to see, as the u.s. did warn of a major refugee crisis, as this continues. kelly, you and i have maybe in conversations like this while you're in the field, having a dangerous conversation. i know you know how to take care of yourself. keeps yourself in your team very safe as you bear witness to the invasion of ukraine. nbc correspondent cal perry's
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wife in lviv. i will mind you that love eaves just miles from a nato border. nato is the biggest military alliance in the world. and you've already seen what is supposed to be, activity in eastern ukraine, now spread to the westernmost part of ukraine. i want to go to kyiv now, and turn to ronald jermaine star, he is a former -- and a -- he is the founder and host of the black diplomats podcast, he has been our eyes and ears on the ground in kyiv. terrell, i have been watching your twitter feed tonight. you had a few hours of silence you thought that was a blessing. because you are out there talking to people in the city that is under attack. two weeks ago when we talked, terrell, it did not seem that kyiv was going to be a city under attack. american intelligence said that this would happen, but it wasn't taken all that city recently there. and now, it is exactly what is happening.
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ukraine is under attack. >> very much so, thank you for having me on the show. right now, when i can tell you is that. the city is under attack. but at the same time the ten thence are fighting back. yesterday, we went to three recruitment centers that were calling for men between the ages of 18 and 60, to take up arms and fight for the country. and support the ukrainian forces. those centers were teaming with people willing to take up arms for their lives. if you could see the sea in, it was incredible. people were dressed in common dressed in common wears, jump suits, jeans, sneakers, all walking out of these centers with automatic rifles. ready to defend their country. also, you have long queues at gas stations, long lines at grocery stores. challenging to find food here.
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several grocery stores were out of it right now. the lines are filled up. if you want to get basic assets to anything, this is he is not fine-tuning like it used to. but more like after a night after hearing explosions, that you get used to after hearing this. the city is still here. unfortunately the national media is running the role of russian troops. what we do not see are the ukrainian soldiers that are fighting very valuable early, and saying this city is not going down remotely as easily as they thought. if it was, i would not be talking to you at this moment. >> terrell, we have had discussions, you and i, about the fact that u.s. intelligence has turned out to be a spot on exactly about how this is going to unfold. this was challenged by ukraine 's president zelenskyy who is trying to keep calm more than allow the discussion for how
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seriously this would be. but that president, volodymyr zelenskyy, who is a new guy or politics and some people who are worried about him, he is sticking out of position in kyiv. he continues to put out videos with medicines of the cabinet. to indicate they are there, they are not leaving. he is rallying the spirit of ukraine at the moment. >> yeah, the thing about it is that this is tiny for him politically. he is going to this position, if you look at his face, the president is 44 years old by the way. he is aging right before our eyes. he can see that the toll of what is happening is wearing down on him, but at the same time, people who are even -- ukrainians who are critical of him and initially and with instill suspicions that he had the gumption to run this, or even bring the non-war's situation are now rallying
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behind him. they are all highly -- u.s. assistance to flee the country. he is there with the soldiers. he is there to fight. he is showing the kremlin that he is not afraid and he himself is providing a lot of moral support, and moral guidance for the rest of the country. and initially, when he was pushing back against the west about what he considered to be finger monger-ing about the worst to come, was a man who simply trying to maintain calm in his country. while obviously, we have spoken about this and the correspondence have spoken about this, people are leaving. but there is no chaos. there is no major disruptions on the streets. so given the fact that this country is under attack, it is remarkably, it is remarkably non chaotic. as it should be. and people are given credit to president zelenskyy for that.
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>> terrell, i want you to stay safe. i know you are in the middle of it. but i appreciate the fact that you continue to give the world reports on what is actually happening in kyiv with the analysis that you are able to provide. terrell is a senior fellow at the eurasian center. police say face my friend. coming up, the russian invasion of ukraine continues. presidents a landscape, we were just talking about, warns that the fight will be on the streets tonight. we'll talk to an expert, in just a moment. he streets tonight. we'll talk to an expert, i just a moment.
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disturbing. it shows a russian track, running over a civilian vehicle cool in the online district of kyiv. amazingly, the civilian driver of that car, reportedly survived! you can see him here, being freed from the wreckage by others civilians. tonight, russian forces continue their beautiful assault by the russian's capital of kyiv. as civilians continued to
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encounter russian invaders, they tweeted this. make molotov cocktails, neutralize the occupiers! peaceful residence, be careful! do not leave the house! and the google searches from how to make molotov cocktails have spiked over the last 24 hours as every day ukrainians want to arm themselves in defense of their country. coming with us now, nbc news of national security dan, joining us again tonight. thanks for joining us. what's your viewers need to understand about how this fight is being raged on the ground? and how this fight, particularly in places like kyiv, have shifted in the past 24 hours? >> i think the first thing that we have learned, is that the ukrainian armed forces, and the ukrainian people are ready to fight. they are not running away from this confrontation with this much larger, much more powerful adversary. i think the next thing to look for, ali, is opposed to
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fighting that goes on or airfields, or open expanses. are we gonna see, now, full urban warfare. where russian forces have to write street to street or take control of sections. and can ukrainians fend them off? that's one thing to look for. and the other thing is really interesting. no one expected this at this point on day three. the fact that the ukrainians are still able to fly their air force. and they are still able to fire any aircraft weapons. i don't think anyone expected that at this point. that might change. that's another thing to look for. will russia asserts to what kind of dominance is in the air? and that is not happened. but, i think, now so much focuses on kyiv, it's carried so much symbolic importance, especially, because after all putin's goal is to decapitate,
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and to topple the democratic government of ukraine. and the capital, is obviously crucial to that kind of project. the more they can slow down and disrupt russian forces around the capitol, the more that causes problems for moscow. russia has many challenges here. they do have military superiority. they can control, eventually, seize control of the key rounds of kyiv networks. key modes of transport. they can control territory. then they have to occupy, then they have to decide to face all this resilience and hostility. they are not being welcomed. and it is not clear how they're going to carry that out. how are they gonna manage that? >> the memory of afghanistan for the russians continues to live large. a country in which they got stuck trying to have to occupy and dealing with until popular opinion and resistance cause
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them to leave. now ukrainians, obviously, are keeping up this morale. with the hope of more military assistance. they continue to plead for more. today, the pentagon john kirby says the u.s. will continue to provide security assistance, but it will be more difficult now that it is an active combat zone. was that mean for ukrainians? >> i think that the ukrainian government has made very clear, even before the invasion, that they want as many weapons as we can get to them. and they are not asking for very sophisticated weapons. they are talking about portable shoulder launched figures that can shoot down a low flying helicopter. or the javelin anti trunk weapons similar to that. yes, you cannot fire u.s. cargo plane into kyiv right now but there is a whole border there with process slovakia and romania members to the west. i would think, if there is a royal there is a way.
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we also do not know what is going on on the covert side of things. that cannot be discussed. but as to whether the u.s., and western countries are looking at covert means to moving weapons and ammunition, and support across the border to ukraine. but, i think this is going to be a bigger issue, a bigger question for the biden administration. how does supports the resistance. if kyiv falls, and we don't know what's going to happen, but, just for the moment we're just going to say if this falls into russian and military hands, it's the lewinsky's government is somehow dispersing authority is jeopardized, what is the biden administration, what does the west do to supporter? resistance then you're no longer dealing with a conventional military struggle. you are now kind of an insurgency situation. obviously, that will be a delicate moment. russia could theoretically
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accuse the u.s. of being a party to the conflict. there will be difficult situations coming up. but from the moment, you're hearing from democrats in the republicans, from a lot of eastern european democrats. the baltic states, saying please send us weapons as fast as you can. as much as you. can >> dan, thank you for being with us. dan is the nbc global affairs reporter. thank you for your time. i want to have some time with u.s. marine colonel -- . colonel, good to see you. thank you for being with us. i want to pick up on a conversation then and i were just having. the goal of the russian invasion, as we heard those exposed versions in kyiv a couple of days ago, and major cities in kyiv, the idea that they want to disrupt ukraine's ability to launch its own planes, and have its own activity in the air, lateral on
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superiority in the air. ukrainians have managed to put up a fight that is greater than what people have expected in the last three days, what is your evaluation of how this is going? >> the story tonight feels like a standard opening phase of a military operation. we did that in 1991, and 2003 against the iraqis. we're trying to do that against the ukrainians. we do not know how much air craft the cranium's have been able to get out of their small obsolete air force, but apparently they got some of their of craft in the air. the defense is probably hanging in there. built around mobile systems as three hundreds, because they're mobile they can hide in very hard track track down we have terrible -- in the 1999 conflicts in coastal, they've maintained some defense. i think it holds off in russian
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air power. we also have seen that the russians have been able to launch an air result against airfields, and are using their aircrafts extensively. >> you're talking about these as three hundreds, and the missile defense systems that they have that can be defensive. there seems to be a universal support across nato countries in being able to provide ukraine with the type of defenses it needs. what is that hesitation there? a lot of the weaponry they views, like the airplanes, our russian built ammunitions and arguments. >> well, the united states have been providing weapons and aid for a number of years. so that has helped, you've heard about the singers, the javelins, and the ammunition. and the variety of other supplies as well. some other nato countries have
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provided supplies. the germans were ever reluctant, however. i think a part of the promises that no one believe this war was going to happen. so the urgency to provide the supplies when they really could've made a difference, 234 months ago. people try to do now, it would be moderately helpful. but it just takes a long time for the supplies to get to eastern europe, they get on a truck, they get on the front lines. you're talking about days or weeks in the ukrainians are talking about hours. >> however, and i just want to put up a map of ukraine. there is no ability, even on the ground, to get any supplies or's material terry -- obviously from the north. because belarus is a completely pro russian, it is united with russia, and then you've got the russian border all through the east. then you got those true republics in the donbas region in ukraine. you've got crimea, the black
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city of -- control by russians at this point. all you've got is poland, some black ear, hungary, and romania. at this point, whether it's days or weeks, the ukrainian borders on that side are still controlled by ukrainians. so this would be the moment if you are going to get anything to them? >> maybe. you could drive over the border. you could put the equipment on ukrainian trucks. that would be possible. the problem is timeline. kyiv is fighting for its life today, getting supplies there next week maybe too late. >> let's talk about the air force. the air support. the air around ukraine. essentially a close to all civilian aircrafts, but there are ukrainian planes and russian planes fighting out there. ukrainians have been asked for a no fly zone in force by nato.
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is that something that -- >> it's a total nonstarter. a no fly zone is an act of war. if they wanted to impose, that they would be going to war with russia. we would have to send out over a massive amount of aircraft. they would tangle with russian aircraft. there would be combat between nato in the united states and russia. that would be a war. and president biden, and nato have been emphatic that they are not going to get involved in ukraine. and putin has been very dramatic in his threats to use nuclear weapons. it's something like that was to occur. whether you're serious or not, you can argue. but i don't know if we really want to find out. so a no fly zone is a total nonstarter. >> he brought it up on thursday night, much to the surprise to people, he mentioned then reminded the world of something that we have forgotten.
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which is that russia's a nuclear pardon. thank you colonel. thank you for your time. >> the united states in europe took a major step today by sanctioning vladimir putin himself. making him a member of an infamous club. an expert joins us next on why that may be a very big deal. stay with. us that may be a very big deal. that may be a very big deal. stay us just dealt with it. what were we worried about again? shopping on public wifi is sketchy. but with aura digital security, my devices are protected it's time to protect your life online with aura's all-in-one digital security. try for free today at aura.com what was that password anyway? ew. entresto is the number one heart failure brand prescribed by cardiologists and has helped over one million people. it was proven superior at helping people stay alive and out of the hospital.
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members. north korean leader kim jong-un, alexander lukashenko, but al-assad, nicholas maduro, they're all full fledged members. the president of zimbabwe, the president of the iran, and the president of -- and today, president vladimir putin became a member. this is the very exclusive club of world sanctioned by the u.s. government. summer members only technically, because they were already already sentient individuals who then became leaders of their country, already after they've been added to the sanctions. less but these are the leaders of the world who are sanctioned. it is a huge deal for the head of a country to be sanctioned while they are the head of the country. basically the u.s. believes there is no help of diplomacy with that person in their country. and the sanctions leveled against booty today were not
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just put by the u.s.. leaving sanctioned by one country is not available to all the other countries. the eu, and the uk also took sanctions against putin. and now, thou that it's 1 million of the day in australia we've learned that they have also tried to sanction putin. personally sanctioned vladimir putin over his decision of the ukraine. but what is it actually mean to? him and how does this fit into the larger puzzle of economic measures being taken against russia with the overall objective to get him to back out of ukraine? >> she was a senior policy in the treasury sanction division -- she was a spokesperson back when the u.s. impose sanctions on russia in 2014 for the annexation of crimea. she is also known to the world on youtube. nick, are good to see you again. one thing about that club with people sanctioned? is none of them sobs doing the
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bad stuff that caused them to be sanctioned in the first place. >> yes! except that the sanctions imposed to make it harder, cause flare, and riskier to them to continue their behavior. so there is a positive. >> what is a mean the? what is a deal? what is vladimir putin and all these people being sanctioned by all these countries actually mean? >> from a practical standpoint, when you impose the sanction on any targets. whether it is a person or company. and the asses that they have with the u.s. jurisdiction, that means that banks and places that may be a bride, any actions of -- any persons businesses people cannot do business with that target. so i do think that there was something from the u.s. system, i think there are dollars, and their clear dollars, and so on. there are people around the world financial institutions, they don't want to be in the crosshairs of u.s. sanctions.
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they don't want fines. they do not want to risk their reputation. so they will end up covering a business with the u.s. sanctioned person. even if they don't want to do yourself. that was just the fact. but the sanctioned state has another level to it. as you showed, it was a very exclusive club of threads -- it was a small club. the reason is because it conveys this message. your criminal, you're a thug, you are not rational to have a conversation with. you are too much of a criminal for us for even to engage in diplomatic conversations, this is the last raw. this is not just for the end of -- this is important, not even just because they have assets that could be frozen, but it also makes them impossible to travel. if no one can do business with them, they won't be able to buy
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a ticket to go fly somewhere. they couldn't go somewhere and spend money, no one can except it. and if president putin, for example, has to convert all his assets troubles to avoid -- that is not exactly a good thing either, given rebels have let their lowest point yesterday. >> yes, no point in converting now. you made the point that yes, many people have said that russia has spread -- president putin said there is no such thing. you can't sanction proof of country. at least one that trades and operates in the world. but, vladimir putin thought many people -- his said by many people to be one of the richest, if not the richest man in the world. has he sanction proved himself? does he likely have money and cash in places that cannot be reached by all these places? >> he may have cash. i have no idea about cash he might have stashed at his
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palace. for example, however, he is shrewd when it comes to these issues are for sure. i'm sure he's aware that he's a target for this kind of activity. i'm sure he's prepared layers upon layers of organizations and llcs, and ownership structures, complicated or dishes structures, to remain hidden assets. and in those structures, it's not necessarily north korea and other places that are common to this. it is hard to tax financial institutions to figure out who the biden official owner of it is. who controls the organization or account. but at the end of the day, you are discover meant and european governments to have an interest in hunting this down. if they have an intelligence saying where this front organization napier these companies that he's benefiting from, they might call as hard as they can through additional
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sanctions, or they will sometimes go directly to the financial institution and say, you may not be aware but you have this account that is actually ultimately owned by president putin. so they do have ways to get it. the one point i will address this. they can make sanctions here, it's a new points, they haven't made it before. but it was important one because it was a big one for syria. it did not work for syria but did i think it would work for russia. all these elites in russia that are being sanctioned, and their banks are being sanctioned, there is a real opportunity there for them to start to feel the pain. and not be used to a lifestyle that doesn't include travel and being able to buy and sell their goods as much as they want. they might go to president putin following the sanctions and say what are you doing? this is not worth it. >> hard, are you always give us more news, and more information, and more contacts. i appreciate that. she is the former advisor in --
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helps them, the russian-backed president back in 2013. could that spirit, that fight be the thing that helps them repel a military invasion? joining us as the professor of history at university. he's the author of on e, and an author on books with specifically about what's going on in ukraine. and the part that i left out, good to see you, is that the protesters forced the pro russian presidents to go on a helicopter and go to moscow, and forced the government to collapse. and days later crimea was invaded by vladimir putin. in the, and they did not throw off the yoke of russian intervention in ukraine. >> right. what we've had since 2014 is this strange twilight period where russia has occupied parts of ukraine, and annexed the crimean peninsula which is the
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southernmost district of ukraine. and it occupies pop you pie -- in the southeast of the country. bearing red on the map. so from a ukrainian point of view, there has been a war going on,. a dirty war a slow or something continuously since 2014 with -- this rapid advance in the last two days is something that is entirely new. but ukrainians, it is meeting a nation which i think in significant ways has reformed itself in the past eight years. a nation which partly, thanks to mine on, has a sense of itself, and a sense of the future. which is again different from russia,. but that is not the point, the point is that these are the people who have some idea who they are as a people. >> the ukrainians, like many
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eastern europeans, are fearful, or have an institutional or living memory of invasion by other people. one of the things you can always do to get russians getting riled up about stuff is talking about nazis, talking about george means. let's talk about the denazification of ukraine. who is that man for when putin said that? and what is the response to something as ludicrous as that? >> i guess, number one, one just has to say that it is ludicrous. ukraine is a multi cultural, bilingual country. most of whom people identified their nation as civic. which elected at least 20 -- in the jewish national minority as the president. so the call that president or country nazi, or say it should be demystified is not only -- its is grotesque.
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what it does do is give the sense of what mr. putin is intending. the language of genocide, denazification, is suggesting he is going to accuse ukraine of these kinds of crimes. he's gonna accuse them of the crimes and it is a pretext of the tribunals, of which they will be showed tried in some ludicrous way, and be killed, or sent to some camp in russia. that is more alas what putin has parma spy talking about the denazification. and it worries me, it should worry as very much. >> yes, you brought it up, i think this is something to be concerned about. not only be sad without consequence. thank you for joining us. professor snyder is the author of on tyranny at yale university. tonight we have much more ahead. as well as support as the world reacts on the invasion of ukraine. as the worl reacts on the invasion o
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is to isolate ukraine from the west, it is not working. all across there tonight were visible signs of solidarity. wales, you can see they lit up in the colors of ukrainian flag. and in the netherlands, a church that survived the bombing plan of world war ii. and in the capital of buddha passed, the fissures bastion, also illuminated. -- for ukrainians who are fleeing the country in the borders. in new york city, take a look at this, the empire state building. we've got a convoy of cars, first of all, with ukrainian flags going up and down right near rockefeller center in the empire sleet building lit up in blue and yellow. and ukrainians in rome held a
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candlelight vigil and launch to the coliseum for support for their homeland. members of the ukrainian community comforting themselves after their own vigil. ♪ ♪ ♪ and in berlin tonight, hundreds gathered under the brandenburg gates, singing -- grant us he's. much more of our continuing coverage to get to tonight including live reports from ukraine, in what is proving to be another difficult day as the sun rises across that country. >> as th as th sun rises >> and we like taking care of them. because we want to go out to dinner with our friends. because, in family photos, we want to be able to smile. for adults
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