>> good evening everyone, and good evening welcome back to the everyone, and second hour of ayman. welcome to the second hour of the show. explosions continue across ukraine, russian assault now in its fourth day. ukrainian defense forces are battling right this minute to can maintain control of the nation's capital, kyiv, where our rates are, as you hear on your screens, have been heard throughout the morning hours. meanwhile, the economic pressure on russia, on vladimir putin, continues to build as the united states -- excuse me, european union countries, uk, and, canada announced hours ago that certain russian banks will be barred from global banking services, swiftly. swift. thousands of protesters in russia risking their lives, condemning russia. this is the scene in st. petersburg tonight, thousands of demonstrators risking their lives in protest of vladimir's putin's russia.

notable russian athletes and fears around the world also protesting. but here's the thing, you know one place where putin is still getting a large round of applause? right now? a pair of conservative political conferences taking place in orlando. yeah, right here, in the united states. president trump just took the stage at the conservative political action conference to is maybe surprisingly stand with ukrainian people and then to keep praise on their invader for the second time this week. listen. >> yesterday, reporters asked me if i thought president putin was smart, i said, of course he smart. they said, they're gonna sanction, me they've sanctioned me for the past 25 years. you mean to tell me i'm gonna take over contender to sanction? it's not that putin is smart. the real problem is that our leaders are dumb. >> there you go. the biggest problem facing the ukrainian people according to that man are the democrats in power.

it's the same message we heard from republican congresswoman marjorie taylor greene last night at a white nationalist conference where she clasped hands with a white nationalist who organized it and attacks democrats and -- with no mention of putin. the crowd, by the, way had cheered for him just minutes ago before she came out. >> i look at russia who, can we get a round of applause for russia? [noise] [applause] >> putin! putin! putin! >> absolutely. >> folks, that was here in florida. here, in the united states. people chanting putin's name. today, when pressed reporters -- marjorie taylor greene took a much harder stance on president biden. >> i am staunchly against it, and i am staunchly against

vladimir putin. his invasion of ukraine. the whole reason this is happening is because joe biden is a weak president. now america is a wee country, and our entire world is falling apart. and we are see war erupt. which did not happen under president trump because we had peace through strength. >> peace through strength? is that what she calls donald trump's deference to and support for authoritarian leaders while he was in office? this, week, trump secretary of state mike pompeo and one c -- 20 4:24 presidential candidate helped putin as talented and savvy and shrewd and capable. that makes him the only living former secretary of state who has used the lead up to the russian invasion of ukraine to ex told the russian leader. republicans in the extremist enabler seem far more concerned

with the scoring of political points here than they do with the actions of a power grabbing dictator and the lives he is putting at risk in ukraine and russia. we begin the hour with our all-star politics funnel, christopher miller, bloomberg editor bobby gauche, a new york history of pillows -- ruth ben-gvir, author of strongmen, mussolini to the president. christopher, i want to start with you. republicans like mitch mcconnell, they are doing the stuff they need to denounce vladimir putin for attacking ukraine. so presently, though they have remained silence as donald trump continues to lavish praise on putin as well as mike pompeo and others. how long do you think that can continue before it begins to hurt the party? or does it even hurt the party at all? >> there's clearly a divide within the party about what's approach to take to russia as it invades ukraine. but what is striking to me is

the extent with which over the last couple of days the invasion has gathered steam. as we've, seen the brutality of that resulting from it. the extent to which the view that the u.s. should improve relations with russia or be more sympathetic to president putin has been a lot less popular. it's harder now than it ever was to defend the russian government which is why a lot of people who were previously advocating better relations just a couple of days ago are now very rapidly changing their tune. >> i want to play with you guys this bid from president trump as the cpac conference today earlier. take a listen. >> the russian attack on ukraine is appalling. it is an outrage, and an atrocity that should never have been allowed to occur. it never would've occurred we are praying for the proud people of ukraine, kabul as the. well as everyone understands, this horrific disaster would never have happened if our election was not rigged and if

i was the president. >> never missing an opportunity to spread the big lie. ruth, your response to the president using the states to link ukraine and what is happening to russia, not only to himself, but to the big lie. >> it's the most cynical possible maneuver and, of course, one can question the authenticity of his condemnation of putin. and what's so tragic about stance that the gop is taking is that, the goal of russian information warfare is not just to make democracies divided and weekend, but to make the target see the world in ways that benefits the kremlin. so all those people cheering at cpac, and cheering on putin, are seen by the russians as useful fools. it's also a huge slap in the face of american intelligence,

that somebody like mike pompeo, a former cia head, is praising putin. >> i want to actually -- bobby, help me understand this -- i have to some extent, as ruth was pointing, out trump has always been enamored by strong dictators. it's consistent for him. but i'm kind of baffled by white conservative media figures like tucker carlson and a few others -- what's in it for them? let me play this clip from earlier in the week for our viewers. watch. >> since the day that donald trump became president, democrats in washington have told you, you have a patriotic duty to hate vladimir putin. it's not a suggestion, it's a mandate. anything less than hatred for putin's treason. it might be worth asking ourselves, this is getting pretty serious, what is this really about? why do i hate putin so much? has put an ever called me a racist? has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him? as a shift of race middle class job but my time to russia? did he manufacture a worldwide

pandemic that ruined my business and get me indoors for two years? >> you have him, he have steve bannon was basically pro putin because he is anti woke. why is it that these right-wing media figures so pro putin all of a sudden? what do they get out of praising him? >> well [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] >> sorry, bobby, i think we're having a bit of audio problem. we seem to have lost your audio. let's give you a chance to reset it. i don't if you want to try it again? >> [inaudible] >> unfortunately, we're having a problem, bobby. let's try to reestablish the connection, and we'll be back. christopher, let me throw to you if you want to take it. what's your assessment of why right-wing media voices like tucker carlson and others, have suddenly overnight become pro putin? >> i think in large -- they have no idea what the

putin regime represents. there's this idealization of putin that is used to appeal to voters on that end of the political spectrum. there's no real basis in reality of what putin is. within russia, what's the russian president represents is a decade of economic stagnation, repressive politics, hint of journalists, and a series of aggressive wars abroad. what putin represents it's harder to map out and idealized image of putin that someone in the right -- is about. >> i want to get your thoughts on this, ruth, when you take a look at the right, as we mentioned somebody there, bobby, are you back with me? and you hear me? >> yes i can. >> perfect, and it seems like your audio is working. let me direct this question to you. it picks up on what i was asking you earlier because, on the one hand, you have these right-wing voices in the media praising putin, but then you have members of the white who are placing the blame of what is happening on ukraine on

president biden. it is also polling that shows that vladimir putin has a higher approval rating than biden among republicans. what does this say about the state of the republican party if they favor a russian dictator over the president of the united states? >> that's exactly right. these are people who will favor almost anybody as long as they can use it to attack their political opponents. and this case, the democrats on the president of the united states. we should be surprised anymore. these are people who will play politics when american children are being gunned down in their schools. these are people playing politics when american synagogue is being attacked. when americans of color are slaughtered. so if they're willing to use the debts of americans to try to score political points, i suppose it's not a big leap for them to try to use a war being fought far away to make that same -- make those same points. in part, there is a putin worship-ing faction within the

party, but i think the larger message here is that these guys will use anything, no matter how heinous, no matter how represents-able to the rest of us, they will use anything to attack biden. >> that's one of the most is saying to explanations i've seen and attempt to score political points at all cost. ruth, i want to return to a piece that you wrote on vladimir putin where you say, quote, overtime, exerting this kind of power can lead an autocrat to believe his own propaganda and act on his worst impulses, leading not to -- not just to the destruction of his foreign enemies, but to destabilizing situations at home that can jeopardize his rule. it seems that is the putin -- it seems like putin fought this invasion was going to be easier, perhaps he was going to rally the country around him, rally the russians around the russian flag, but it has been that with such resistance. and there's some suggestion that it's not going as the russians plan. we see the protests on the streets.

how do you think this is potentially affecting his calculus? do you believe he has lost some rationality in the decision-making process? >> i think he's fallen prey to the classic pathologies of a thaw chrissy where, these people surround themselves with flatterers and family members. they wield absolute power. in putin's case, he has a fully realized autocracy on the level of coffee. so overtime, they begin to feel they are invincible, they don't -- nobody -- everybody is too scared to give them any objective intelligence or critique, and yet, i think that putin feels that he's at his peak and there's nowhere to go back down. there's a lot of dissent against him. he knows that. so when they get into that space, that mental space, they start thinking of their legacy and, you know he was talking about his place in history, the whole history speech he made, and they do rash things and

they miscalculate. and i think he's made a grave miscalculation here. >> i was going to say, ruth, i'm sure you saw, and i'm sure all of you saw, the video earlier this week of vladimir putin basically grilling his head of intelligence in that very weird national security meeting that was in front of the media where he basically basically tells them to sit down after he asks him to speak clearly about whatever or not he supports the proposal. and the image i came to my mind was, i don't know if you know this, but in the 70s, when sudden came to power and he called out members of the deaf party and basically told them to step out of the auditorium, that was the image that was conjured up in my head. the fear was palpable on the screen. i will ask all of you to stick around, we will take a quick commercial break. christopher miller, with been get, bobby ghosh, the response to russia. my plan will be back with me to discuss this. plus, how ukrainian civilians are working to confuse russian troops on the ground.

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dramatic steps tonight to help ukraine push back on the russian invasion. hours ago, you had the eu, the u.s. and other western partners releasing atlantic out of some major russian banks from the global swift payment system. then you had major financial restrictions imposed on russia's central bank, that would prevent the crumbling from the its international reserves, to undermine those sanctions. and then, and another dramatic shift, you had germany announcing that it would actually allow leaf lethal weapon transfers, including the delivery of 1000 anti tank weapons and mines, in 500 eric round rockets to ukraine. and it feels like, the west is breaking out the big guns here. it is reassuring to see nato so united, but the situation for ukrainians is incredibly dire by the hour. back with me to discuss this, what's the full mueller, and

bobby, and ruth. bobby, that miss tight with you. the russian invasion at least by the assessment we're getting in the west started with some very aggressive, was working on three different axes. but in the last day or so, it seems that the war has slowed to a near stalemate, perhaps. or the advance is not going as fast as the russians certainly had hope. and there seems to be significantly more optimism around the ukrainians changing the dynamics on the battlefield. perhaps not entirely, but certainly changing what would have been an all out assault. and it no longer seems that kyiv is a lost cause. do you think, is my optimism a little bit on warranted here? or what role do you think nato's unity is playing in this? >> well, it's clear that the ukrainians are standing and fighting in a way that the russians vertically did not expect. we probably thought that it will be rolling all over kyiv, even now as we see, that hasn't happened and he's also been

reckoning in the west. he thought that the west would remain divided. the fact ukrainians had been able to slow down the russian advance is a very important strategic and practical thing, because it allows now the west to get more weapons into the country. [inaudible] as germany was willing to send ukraine weapons. and now, germany is sending more weapons, which was slow down the russian advance even further, and that changes the political calculus for putin. >> this important point as well. it changes this calculation as to how long this can happen, as these protests and russia continue. let's talk about the economic sanctions for a moment, christopher. how significant are these new moves to expel select russian banks from swift and freeze assets of the russian central bank? because as i was noting earlier, that might not be a calculus in the short term, but perhaps if this drags out in the long

term. >> we are seeing those moves, but i don't think we should overstate how impactful they'll be, even in the short or long terms. i think administration has a lot more, and it can and should into the sanctions front. you'll know that the swift sanctions that were announced today were only partial, applying to certain banks, not to the entire economy. the central bank's actions were also partial. the details haven't been announced. the administration, i think, is very fearful about sanctions having an economic impact that could home. but the reality is, there is a war going on. they're willing to accept the costs, and accept hard sanctions that will make a difference. >> ruth, i wanna talk about what putin has accomplished here in the last few days, and it kind of goes to bobby's point. this is a war that has certainly unified europe. it has unified ukraine. it has pushed finland and sweden to consider nato membership. it has exposed the weakness of the russian army. it has destroyed the russian economy. it has turned zelenskyy into an

icon, certainly within europe, and some circles here in the u.s.. it has made germany reconsider, perhaps, reconstituting an army, and certainly wanting to deliver weapons to the ukrainians, which is something they have been reluctant to do for decades. people talk about putin being some master tactician, but do you think he could've anticipated all of this? because this probably could not have been what he anticipated at all. >> no. i think that he's, you know, suffering from this kind of fantasies of grandeur. i think that he, you know, when he annexed crimea in 2014, it was very popular at home. and he fought off the sanctions, and it was the big man. and he had a boost in his popularity. and i think that he felt, perhaps, that this would be repeated. and this is where he's not probably, you know, when you have that kind of power for too

long, you don't get good intelligence. beeper are cowed by you, and you lose touch of reality. so it happened is actually a very beautiful demonstration of solidarity among nations, and for ukraine. and we're getting a lesson in a kind of how democracies can help each other, in so many ways, sending, you, know arms. sending humanitarian aid, not sending certain products, that taiwan is not send something semiconductors. russian jets, and nato as well. it has a new relevance and a new resolve and a new prestige. and this is not with putin planned, because putin is not just trying to, you know, sabotage individual democracies. it is the whole democratic international system he wants to take down. and so far, that is backfiring. >> chris, i was gonna ask you. from my experience in the middle east, certainly bobby

and i noticed well, desperate men do desperate things. when there's been played out, you had the leaders in the beginning just simply leave like binali of tunisia, and mubarak of egypt. but then by the time they got to syria and libya, they fought back, cracked down on the population. what happens to a desperate putin here? when he realizes this is not going the way he intended, and perhaps, he does not have a successful military operation, he becomes desperate. >> yeah -- >> i'm sorry, chris, go ahead. ruth occurred back to you in a second. >> i think we ought to be cautious about calling a defeat for putin just yet. the reality is that russian armor's are still bearing down on kyiv, and despite all of our immunity, which is a fine thing to, have it has been different. the reality is the russian army is still in ukraine, and we don't have a solution about how to get it out. so i think we should focus less on our successes, and more on the gaping problem. which is that we don't have an

idea about how to stop the russian invasion. and i would put that question of the biden administration, unity is greats, but what are you gonna do about the russian army in ukraine. >> that's a very valid point. ruth, you want to jump in on that? >> sorry, i was thinking of actually gaddafi, and what happens is these guys, they can get extremely destructive and not care what they burned down, if they think that there are threatened. and putin is probably enraged right now. he is enraged that's a landscapes become this kind of icon. he's enraged of all the solidarity we talked about before. so this could lead him to escalate his nephews and try to conduct some kind of sabotage work bare, which would be very tragic. >> let me switch gears for a moment, get your thoughts on something. bobby, you and i track low sleep soccer, or international football. it was announced today that abramovich, the russian billionaire owner of chelsea fc,

would be handing over stewardship of the soccer club to the trustees of the chelsea charitable foundation. a lot of people are saying that is huge, and perhaps, he's in some ways trying to deflect what may be coming towards him, and towards other russian oligarchic's. but in general, it's been interesting to watch the sports world grapple with different ways to condemn russia's war on ukraine. you have countries saying they're not going to play against russian world cup qualifiers, russian athletes are taking up positions on this. your vision is weighing in and saying, they're gonna withdraw, prevent russia's participation. it's an interesting dynamic that is playing out in the sports and the cultural worlds. >> definitely. by writing -- sorry for making that pitch. this is very important to putin. this might in some ways affected more directly, more immediately than economic sanctions even. as an individual, putin cares a lot about big sporting events. sports washing is something that he does very well.

he's used soccer world cup, the winter olympics to try and scrub his image, to present himself to the international world as this sort of larger than life international figure. so when things like the champion league is being withdrawn, not just from russia, from his hometown, from st. petersburg, that is something that can basis wrong message. the sports world was very iffy about russia after 2014, and if you go back even further back, after 2008, when russia invaded georgia, the sports world was not united against russia. but we've seen something very different now. the formula 1 racing said they withdrew st. petersburg as well. and what they're doing a chelsea, basically the recognition i think on his part of putin. one, he thinks that there are some sanctions coming against him, that he's trying to insulate the club from it. and the other thing, he's recognizing that russia and anything to do with russia is becoming a pariah in the sporting world.

and he needs to protect this club, protect his assets from it. this thing that is done, when he's transferred the management of the club to the trustees, the charitable foundation, it is a bit of window pressing really, because they are his trustees. the people he has handpicked. but you recognize that they're not cold. within the united kingdom, even parliament, they demanded that has ownership of the club be looked into. and that the club is forced to distance itself from its owner, and the club be basically taken over and so to somebody else. so he sees [inaudible] >> yeah, it's very fascinating when you describe it that way. let me play for you guys something from tulsi gabbard, former congresswoman chelsea and presidential candidate. she posted this video online, not too long ago. watch this. >> president putin, you have made your point. before it's too late, stop that attack now!

i have both ukrainian aggression friends, and i know that they have a lot. they have respect and love for each other, like brothers and sisters. it's clear that the russian people and the ukrainian people both just want to live in peace. so i implore you. and this assault now, before it gets to the point of no return, and the suffering becomes unimaginable. >> okay, so on the surface, an important appeal there. but i always gonna have a little fun with this, and say, if you've lust tulsi gabbard, you've lost the war. what do you think? >> i think is just another sign of how in the united states and across the world, there is almost no one who is this war. even if you look at russia's friends internationally, they're hiding in u.s. security councils, trying to avoid being asked when they think about the war, because it is just so unpopular and so hard to defend. i think you're right. we have lost the war, if you list the public relations battle on the war. >> i thought it's interesting,

as one person pointed out again, a comedian made the point when those swift payments get held up, everyone is suddenly gonna cut from russia. so perhaps, explaining tulsi gabbard's position there. ruth, what do you make of that? >> i'll respond with a quick comment. tucker carlson's very glad that he broadcast for a week, and he's been putting his chips and the orban cart as well. because orban has always peeled. because he's more palatable, where you don't kill people following windows, we're getting poisons. and yet, he's still an autocrat. and the gop, and you know, cpac supposed to be how good this year. so we can make -- the opportunist theme that bobby talked about, they can just reorient to or bond, if they get set up with putin. >> i was gonna say there was a

reason why viktor orban has celebrated for his white supremacy among white nationalists in this country and elsewhere. >> christopher miller, ruth ben-ghiat, bobby ghosh, thank you all very much. still ahead, how social media companies are working to restrict russian disinformation. s are working to restrict russian disinformation

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physical battlefields, there are virtual ones, and people are low for the world are following wet half is happening in ukraine via social media. there's no doubt about it. and not surprisingly, the putin regime is trying to combat criticism of its invasion on those platforms, or at least, keeping it from being consumed by russian citizens as we heard from our correspondent there. on friday, russians communications minister partially restricted access to facebook within russia, claiming that the platform had, quote, violated the rights of russian citizen by censoring state media and pro kremlin news outlets.

facebook, as you can imagine, is pushing back that -- saying it won't stop fact checking information because of russian objections. now, that news came a day after ukraine called on twitter to remove russia's official account from that platform. twitter come from today that russia has now limited, if not completely restricted, twitter access within its some areas of the country. and at the heart of the matter, is the misinformation and the disinformation that russia has spread in recent weeks leading up to the invasion? they have been making false claims, they have been suggesting that ukraine has been the aggressor in this, that the ukrainian government is committing genocide in pro russian eastern regions, or that they are neo-nazis and fascists. ultimately, all of that has been a pretext for putin's invasion of ukraine. some of the propaganda is actually coming in the form of advertising. forcing companies like youtube and others, to rethink whether

to allow russian state-backed media back on the sides. and as the invasion escalates, social media companies are now finding themselves once again on the front lines of the debate. whether they want to be or not. they must now filter out the disinformation being weaponized by vladimir putin and his regime, while not silencing the voices documenting the invasion as well as those fighting it. that is the choice they have to make. coming up, more than 120,000 ukrainian refugees have left the country since the russians began to attack. how is europe prepared to handle this texas -- crisis. i will break it down next. whoa! is that already... (mike) yeah. (vo) hello business on the go. bye-bye public wi-fi. 5g ultra wideband is faster and safer. closing in low lag, crystal clear hd.

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150,000 ukrainians have fled their homeland to seek refuge in poland and other countries. the refugee agency estimates that 4 million might follow them as the work continues to escalate. these people overnight lost everything. they will walk to the sound of their cities being shelled, they grabbed their children, they ran for their lives with but they could. unfortunately, the sheer brutality of putin's unprovoked invasion has resulted in a tremendous outpouring of support for ukrainians. the people in poland and hungary are offering unconditional support. they are welcoming those refugees. they are greeting them up the borders with cups of coffee, warm blankets, children's toys.

the minister of justice even announced that the country would lift all of the -- for ukrainians. while all of this is heartwarming and important, ultimately though, we are still talking about hundreds of thousands of people, perhaps millions of people who are forced to abandon their lives. joining me now to discuss all of this is the spokesperson for the ukrainian congress committee of america, andrea dobriansky. it's good to have you on the show. we've seen some 150,000 ukrainian refugees. many more are expected to follow in the coming days and weeks. do these countries, these neighboring countries, have the resources and the will to care for and support these people so far? >> it's not just do they have it right now, but how long does this conflict going to last? how long until ukrainians could get back into ukraine, because many of them will want to do that. but that is exactly why you saw

usaid administrator, samantha powell, on the ground today. to get a sense from the local government exactly what's the tipping point will be. as we have seen for many refugee crises around the world, when refugees come into a country to already start thinking about deploying somehow transporting these to a more permanent location. because the longer they stay in a refugee position, the more gets uncomfortable for the local country. >> you brought up samantha power, the former u.s. ambassador to the un and on the administrator of the usaid. let me play for you when she said about this unfolding crisis. >> well, the only way to stave off human tragedy is a diplomatic solution. certainly, ukrainians have made very clear that that's what they are interested in. but all putin has done so far is answer with tanks and steel. >> do you think there is any chance that this conflict ends with diplomacy, or does putin's invasion proof that is off the

table for now? >> well, what we are seeing right now, in particular with the three mode directs deployed on ukrainian territory, and the horror show of what happened. i know we've been doing stories of what might happen in chernobyl, or the other nuclear plants and ukraine, things are tipping more and more to the point where the rest of the world cannot do what they've done numerous dozen times which is give one slap and then forget about punishing more. just today, at the united nations, the ambassador of the ukrainian -- reached out to the entire national red cross, asking for the world and the red cross to take care of the dead russian soldiers now lying on ukrainian territory because russia isn't even caring about them. there's over 3000 killed on ukrainian territory that nobody is doing anything about. that is the horror that the rest of the world has to clean up while putin is in -- concentrating on manifesting his own idea of the world and he is trying to break down the

world or. trying to make sure that the rest of the world can function in his onslaught. >> you talk about the 3000 russian soldiers dead on ukrainian soil. obviously, we don't have any independent verification of that. the russians are obviously not recordings fatalities them out of sustained. military people might have been inspired by the resolve of the ukrainian fighters. some observers are worried, and they pointed out that if this conflict continues, and if there -- putin may become desperate and ordered his troops to ramp up attacks on civilians. whether they are direct or indirect and it front or not like we saw the high-rise tie tower being hidden keep. do you think that this -- putin could lash out in unprecedented ways? >> it's exactly what has been mentioned. for instance, senator rubio worried about what's happening on the russian border with

attacks. we've seen vessels with the moldovan flag, with the turkish flag, and the black sea, being harassed or even attack by russian ships. there is a worry that putin will try to escalate this in a way, just to keep some control over the narrative. but at the same time, talking about the russian troops, if we can talk about them, we know that dozens of russian troops have handed the weapons, and said, i'm not willing to do this, while they are on ukrainian territory. so there isn't a full control even over his troops. what he does have control over is those rockets in ukraine, and that needs to be helped in some way. and can we bring it back to refugees? because one of the saddest parts about this attack now is that, ukraine already had 1.5 million internally displaced people. a lot of those people from crimea, they were resettled in kherson, which is right outside on ukrainian mainland. that is the main territory of the russian attack from crimea. so you're talking about a

double set of refugees. they're already refugees from crimea. now, they have to be display somewhere else. >> i'm glad you brought that point up, because i think people forget that this is not the first time ukraine has suffered at the hands of russia, when you think about just in the last 12 years or so. i've personally been struck by the global outpouring of support for the ukrainian people in past conflicts, we've barely seen countries willing to accept refugees. i mean, he just talked about the 1.4 million at a state inside ukraine, when russia invaded crimea and occupied it. why do you think people moved this time? >> i think putin has frankly pushed it way too far. even people who are making excuses for putin for, years now saying that this is nato's fault that this is some other countries fault just to see the horror of a full-on invasion of an entire country. and not only that, but he did it during the united nations security council. if we recorded a message, and started launching rockets

during the security council meeting so there's something personally insulting for the rest of the world where one leader is stumping his nose at everything. he wants to put nuclear weapon back on the belarusian and ukrainian territory which is a timing of the ukrainian act. how are you supposed to deal with that if a world leader with the most, second most might in the world, isn't even willing to agree that the basic standards of international arms. >> let me ask you about something. i know you speak on behalf of ukrainian americans, and certainly, what is happening in ukraine. what are your thoughts, just because i know they're such cultural, religious, familial ties between russia and ukraine? what do you make of what is happening on the streets of russia right now, with these protests? and what it says, that russians are opposed to this war in ukraine, at least those are taking the streets. and notable figures around the world, whether athletes here in the u.s. or europe. >> i think it goes back to what

you mentioned earlier, about the worldwide outpouring. i think, you know, that only happens with such a cross fire violation, that finally in russia, we are able to see some of these protests, because going back to the square protest, some of it thinking it wasn't the last decade. they have steadily gone down as putin has, ramped up the oppression, as we approached the anniversary of the shooting, in the middle of the kremlin, as he has made sure to crack down on every single political figure, less and less people have been feeling emboldened enough to speak out in the streets. this is a tipping point, but we don't know where that ends. it surely must and with something happening with putin at some point. >> really quickly, do you think they gradients themselves, they ukrainian people, are aware of these protests and russia, and make that distinction that the russian people are not vladimir putin? and they may harbor animosity right now towards russia, and certainly, vladimir putin.

do they make that distinction? >> given the fact that this is the first major kicked up war, and we are seeing pictures of old man in ukraine walking right up the russian soldiers and scolding them, as if they were -- this really shows you that, you know, people just, you, know our ukrainian national anthem has a line that says we will lay down our body and sell and soul. people have been doing that for a century, but since the dawn, we are seeing now people standing in the way of tanks. the majority of people are not fleeing. we're making sure that children and people who are in danger can't go to poland. but the majority of people, even people outside of ukraine are, not getting back into fight. >> i remember the resilience of the ukrainian people when i covered the crime even back in 2014. one andrij dobriansky, a pleasure. thank you so much for coming on. still ahead, how ukrainian civilians are working to make life a little more difficult for russian troops in the region? more difficult more difficult for russian troops region

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you are walking down the street, and you see this. how would you know where you're going? which way is the city? which way leads you, i guess, nowhere? right now, ukrainians are intentionally creating that kind of chaos for the russian troops. nbc's richard engel posted this picture from the ground in mariupol earlier, where he watched as ukrainian store down road signs. the goal? to confuse in this orient russian troops moving through the country. now, this effort comes after ukraine's ministry of defense advised civilians and how they can actually help stop russian advances, in addition to removing the names of streets inside cities, from wrote science. civilians are being asked to destroy a road, if they see tanks passing since fuel trucks are short to follow. no fuel means no more tanks. and if they spot a russian

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of american voices, it is 5 am in kyiv ukraine. the country's capital hit with another night of warfare, because russians continue their attack against democracy. there are largely slowed by ukrainians military and ukrainian civilians fighting to keep their homes. a short time ago, where that russian forces had targeted a gas pipeline in ukraine's second largest city of kharkiv. a live update from ukraine's moments away. plus, new pressure on putin, today, the united states, canada, and europe