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>> very good morning. i'm richard louis. it is 9 am i right now in ukraine as the country enters its fourth day of invasion by russian troops. we are just learning in the last hour, russian military vehicles have entered the city of kharkiv. and that fighting is going on this city center. that's according to kharkiv officials who are now instructing residents to stay inside. just last night, spending video reportedly showing a massive gas explosion in the eastern cities as the battle with russian troops intensified overnight. then we take it to the south. an announcement from the mayor of the city of -- that the city is now under russian control. the development is notable, given that a hydroelectric power plant is housed there. yet, the uk defense ministry saying, but russia it's not
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making that progress they had planned. that they are quote, suffering from logistical challenges and strong ukrainian resistance. this as russians weak up to some of their banks being cut from an essential international bank system. the full effect of money being slowed down for businesses, consumers and the government just beginning their potentially today. we're going to start though for you this hour in kyiv, where another brutal day of fighting rocked that city. for the third night in a, row russian forces failed to take control of the crane in capital, thanks in part to the incredible bravery of ordinary ukrainian civilians, have answered their nations call to action. let's go to nbc's tom jonas who has more. >> in ukraine right now, everyone is in the middle of a battle -- even families, flying to escape the war. you can see they're pushing the
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gates open, trying to get past anyway they can. and you notice there's no man fighting each year. because anybody, regardless if your father or whomever you are, if you're the age to fight the war, you're staying back and you're taking the russians head on. in the cities under siege, brief ukrainians aren't just the ones wearing uniforms. volunteer fighters, civilians, armed with assault rifles, patrolling central kyiv, ready to defend their country and protect their families. this video shows a ukrainian throwing a homemade molotov cocktail at a russian fuel truck. and this video posted on facebook, but not shot by nbc news, she was a ukrainian man kneeling before a russian tank, an attempt to stop it in its path. other civilians seen handing out weapons. the former president of ukraine calling on anyone who can to join the fight. >> i don't have a weapon in my hand yet. but i have it with me. and i do it with a great
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pleasure to protect ukraine. >> former heavyweight champion and current kyiv mayor the tally klitschko, and his brother, also a former prizefighter, stepping up as well. >> please, get into action, now. don't wait. act now. stop this war. >> and the sting in ukraine's reserve army earlier this month -- back in the u.s., peter dunk, a father of six, desperate to get his family out of ukraine. a pastor, his church back home, working to drive families, calm the chaos away from danger. he says through a translator he'll do anything to keep his kids and everyone safe. >> i'll go into the battle. i'll go into that mess and to help people. >> as families flee, so many others staying to fight, showing russia, ukraine's greatest weapon is its people. >> our thanks to tom for that reporting. now, we are on day four, as was
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mentioned. the russell assault on ukraine. we're getting a clear picture of putin's strategy. i want to bring into people who can help us understand what's going on. retired u.s. army jack jacobs. recipient of the medal of honor. treacy war door, also joining us. former cia officer and fbi special agent. thank you both. i'll start with you, colonel jack. we are on the four here, colonel jack. day three, at least by the reports that we have watched, not necessarily what vladimir putin wanted, colonel jack. what is day for going to look like today? what are you going to be watching there? >> two things. there's going to be a lot of fighting in the city. i fell in the city and i can tell you it's extremely difficult. it's going to be sometime before they actually take the largest cities, particularly kyiv. but molotov cocktails are not a
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particularly good defense against tanks. and the russians have quite a few tanks. armored vehicles and so on. they'll put up a brave fight. it's heartbreaking to watch. that they'll put up a brief fight. but ultimately, it's going to be extremely difficult for the ukrainians to hold their cities. the second thing, the movement of russian forces from the north to the south. and from the south to the north. in order to bifurcate the country. cut off the ukrainian army from the middle of the country to the east. and then they'll have them more or less encircled. it will be very difficult for the ukrainians to fight. and the russians are likely than to take the remainder of the country, leaving the western part of the country for refugees to stream across the border's now. refugees are getting into
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romania and poland at the moment. several hundred thousand perhaps, but some people predict two to 4 million refugees. women and children principally, going into those countries. it will be extremely difficult for them. but the fighting will focus on the cities in the next couple of days, richard. >> tracey, the u.s. intelligence, when you now look at at day four, let's there much that surprised you? and what did you not surprise you in terms of the picture that we're seeing as the sun rises there? >> what did surprise me the most most was really how much the ukrainians were able to hold on to the cities for as long as they did. i agree, and suspect that they will fall how. however, i was actually surprised by how strong of a fight they caught up and they did not fall. i think moving forward, in terms of intelligence, the thing that's going to be the most critical is getting
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information to ukrainians on the ground. in terms of what the russian troop movements look like. and in terms of what the russians next move will be. i think that's going to be very difficult. don't know what communications are like on the ground. and i don't know what communications we have open right now with our sources and assets on the ground. >> colonel jack, if you look at the streets of -- what, 5000 year old city, kyiv? and as vladimir putin's forces try to, as you're just describing, i bifurcate that city, describe to us how difficult it might be? just because this is not a great type city. this is a city, as i was just mentioning, very old. a lot of different types of streets. it makes it probably easier for many of the locals to defend. block by block. >> yes, like i said a, fighting in cities is difficult. one of the things working in the russians's favor however,
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is there working relatively hard not to turn it into rubble. because it's easier to defense when all the buildings are in rubble. they know that themselves in their defensive stalling ground in the second role were. they're going to try to to keep it as intact as they can, which will make it more difficult to defend. still, they're going to have a tough time. winding streets. there is the all part of the city that's going to be tough to take and so on. they'll be under the number of casualties, too. but modern cities are more difficult to defend. for fighters like the ukrainians, than older cities were before they all got built up after the second world war. it's going to be very unpleasant for everybody. the thing that's most concerning is first, what they're going to do with the people who are in the government. and those people who were close to them. that's going to be messy. one doesn't even want to
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speculate about. and then second, what is liable to happen in northeastern europe, if, as and when putin is successful in ukraine. if our allies feel extremely threatened and it's difficult to tell what he's going to do next, or how we're going to counter what he's going to do next. richard? >> tracy, now sweet moving, as i was just mentioning day four of the conflict, how does intelligence gathering shift? and how does the difficulty either increase or decrease at this fees? >> i think intelligence gathering right now is obviously critical, but i think it's incredibly difficult. you have obviously a barricade situation going on on the ground. you have the american presence there, and in official capacity, is virtually gone. so, what they're relying on right now are ukrainians that are on the ground. you have to remember, that the cia had been training
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ukrainians soldiers to work towards this. i think in terms of intelligence on the ground, in terms of what putin's movements next might be, we're really relying mostly on our easternmost flank of our nato allies. which are pullen, estonia, to really give us as much realtime information as possible. in terms of intelligence. >> colonel jack, we just got the news in the last 24 hours first, of all, germany now offering mid-terry help. this in addition to other eu countries. the united states offering up $250 million. how fast can they get this help them to ukraine? >> first of all, a softly leap for people to start doing something. we've known for two decades what putin was up to. he took office first, in 1999. we've had four administrations in this country, more or less ignore what was going on. he took over crimea eight years
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ago. so, he's been emboldened to carry on. now, late in the game, everybody is going to try to get some equipment to ukraine, but it's good to be extremely difficult. especially if the russians then chopped the country in half by joining up forces coming from belarus in the north, and up from crimea in the south. if they link up, is going to be very difficult to get any kind of weapons or equipment to ukrainians, richard. >> tracy, as you look at that timing what colonel jack was just saying, why no are we getting these headlines coming out of other eu countries? is it about an intelligence issue? something the lord from the inside that's happening in either russia or ukraine? or is this more of politics outside of the conflict zone? i >> feel it's more about politics outside of the conflict zone. i wholeheartedly agree with colonel jacobs in that i do think anyway, some of this we
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saw coming. i think the critical intelligence was at the beginning. the u.s. did something notably different before they started it in, terms of tipping our hand. getting out in front of the false narrative. that typically that russians like to perpetuate. and really laying our intelligence strategy, which is something we haven't done before. we really started, like the kgb officer that he is, treating him like him, he always will be. i wish we had started doing that decades before. i do feel that this is more political posturing. however, the one thing that i do think is good and that i do think is a little bit different in than what putin had anticipated from an intelligence standpoint, i do not think he thought nato and really everyone in the region would react so swiftly and so cohesively together in this. i think he did under estimate that.
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i do not think that he thought assistants would come as quickly as it did. tracy walder, former cia officer and fbi special agent. colonel jack jacobs, thank you so much for starting us off. now we'll go to moscow where embassies ross sanchez is standing by. rolf, one of the questions -- we're discussing some of the dynamics are in the conference itself. but there's also the issue of how russians are reacting to now before and where it is arcing in terms of protests. and now in terms of discomfort. of course, they're just waking up seeing this word swift. what does that mean to russians? where is that arcing right now in terms of protests and anti vladimir putin sentiment at the moment? >> richard, we've seen these spontaneous leaderless protest popping up for the last couple of days. ordinary russians, at great personal risk, taking to the streets and protesting against vladimir putin. and because these are organic,
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they're not being led by alexei navalny or well-known dissidents, it's proving very difficult for the kremlin to crack down on them. to stop them from happening. more than 3000 people have been arrested across russia so far, as part of these protests. but there's no sign that they are going to come to a stop. we've also being seen quieter moments, where russians have been going to the ukrainian embassy here in moscow. they've been leaving flowers, they've been leaving notes. effectively saying, not in our name. richard, the next thing we've also seen the russian government really cracking down on the media here. the state media regulator has censored a number of outlets. and the offense that the outlets committed is the described what is going on in ukraine as a war, or as an attack, or as an invasion. and that is not allowed under the russian government's line. their preferred term is a
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special military operation. and they are censoring anybody who describes it differently. social media also is being throttled. twitter is basically non functional right now. it has been slowed down by the russian government. it's very difficult to load videos. that means that it's effectively russian state media trying to fill this information vacuum. trying to make sure that it's the only narrative in town. and it's really interesting when you watch russian state media, they are not giving up to date sense of what's happening on the battlefield. your ordinary russian does not know how far russian forces have advance. they don't know what kind of resistance they are meeting in the streets of ukrainian cities. and crucially, there are no official figures on how many russian service members have been killed so far in this invasion. which is a question a lot of ordinary people here want to know. richard?
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>> raf, you are talking about censoring, i was thinking of what happens in china or in other parts of the world, where it just goes black when they have a message that is undesirable at this going. how are russians getting counter or anti putin messaging, if any, right now? pu>> russia it's not china. the level of chinchar censorship is not at that level. there are a number of independent media outlets still operating in this country. but it is an extremely difficult environment for russian journalists, or trying to give an unvarnished furnish version of the news. who are often running up the narrative that the kremlin kremlin wants put out. it's a tough environment right now. people do have vpn's. they are able to see news from overseas. but it is largely russian state media that is what people are getting their news from. and that is presenting a very
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specific perspective on this conflict. and it's one that is in line with what the kremlin wants to put out. the russian government is saying the only news that should be reported is news that is coming from official government sources. richard? >> there you have. nbc's raf sanchez on early sunday morning at moscow. thank you so much. our life breaking news coverage from russia's invasion of ukraine continues right this hour. but after the break, investigating former president trump's mishandling of classified documents. well the house oversight may be looking for with its latest requests from the national archives. stick around. archives stick around
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the house oversight committee is expanding its investigation into former presidents white house records. requesting new information from the national archives about the classified material that former president trump took to his mar-a-lago resort in florida, after leaving office. as well as those records he is
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alleged to have wrapped up in the white house. we want to bring it lam, nbc legal analyst and a former federal prosecutor. carol, thanks for being here with us this morning. >> thank you. >> what is this latest requests mean specifically? and how serious is it to donald trump? >> well, richard, there's a presidential records act and it lays out very specific protocols for what the white house and the departing president is supposed to do. and those records in his possessions belong to the american people. and they're supposed to be transferred to the national archives and very regular fashion. finding that the president has actually removed 15 boxes of documents, many of which contained classified information, to his mar-a-lago address is very troubling, of course. not only because it's in violation of the presidential records act, but also because it contains classified material. and it's now available to whom
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ever happens to be down there in mar-a-lago. so, very troubling and what the congressional oversight committee has asked the national archives to do is go through all of those documents and lock them. to tell the committee exactly what is in them, so that they can determine how serious a breach this is. >> the breach may or may not involve as well, social media, as part of this very topic that we're talking about here. dig into that for us? of course, that is new to the decade, if you will. >> yes, social media is, as you say, look at a new to the decade. and how the presidential records act and faces with social media is also probably not very clearly laid out at this time. one of the things that the oversight committee is looking into whether certain items have been moved. not only to social media, but also to other types of media that are not within the irregular types of venues that presidential communications go
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to. so, that's one problem. as you know, when something ends up in social media, a sort of takes on a life of its own. so, part of the problem is a lack of rules that keep up with practices of this generation that has now kicked into a new form of communications. that all has to be sorted out by the oversight committee. >> if you keep on pulling this thread, carol, on the sweater, where does it end up? >> that's a really good question. where does it end up? what i'm going to be very interested in looking at is exactly what types of classified information is actually in those documents. some of them are reportedly our top secret documents. that's very serious, obviously. you have different levels of classification. if you've topsecret documents in there, it's indicative of the sort of casualness dealing with these types of confidential documents that really should not be going on at the white house level.
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how it unravels, we'll have to see, but is it carelessness or is there actually an indication that things were being intentionally taken out of the normal course of handling of classified documents? i think that's what we're going to have to look for. >> quickly, is there any historical precedent that you look at when comparing this? the issue of documents been destroyed by former president. >> well, we certainly have not seen anything of this particular kind of nature. we're up on departure, pray a president's packing things up in their boxes and taking them out. i mean, there certainly have been occasions in the past where there's been sloppy handling of classified materials. people sticking a couple of documents in their brief case to review them at home. unfortunately, that sometimes does take place. that you would think that a departing president, who is under an obligation to comply with the presidential records act, it's really going to be
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exercising -- and what is removed from the white house, when he's no longer going to be the president united states. >> former federal prosecutor and nbc legal analyst, carol lam, thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> up next, we're going to return to our coverage of russia's invasion, which is expected to displace millions of ukrainians. and potentially lead to a refugee crisis. where the united states and data nato doing with that? it'll go away. doinwig th that? it'll go away. start here. walgreens makes it easy to stay protected wherever you go. schedule your free covid-19 booster today. and welcome back, new reports
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from the original kharkiv administration saying that russian vehicles have now started to roll in on the sunday morning, as fighting breaks out there in the city center. and residents are told to stay inside. it comes just hours after russian troops blew up a gas line in the very same city. earlier, nearly a dozen people
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were vaccinated. one pronounced dead. following intense russian shelling that -- . officials say at least six people were hiding in the basement of that structure. meanwhile, measures against russia have now been announced by the united states and european nations. all agreeing to take aim at putin through swift. a system that has global transactions among institutions, businesses, and consumers. as well as the russian central bank. those kicked off the system will have to use a telephone, or fax machine, or any other way to move cash internationally. hoping to turn russia into a financial pariah, as some of called it. this as we move to tens of thousands of ukrainians being forced out of their homes and fleeing across borders. trying to escape russian violence.
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many european countries are monitoring the exodus. a full blown incursion could lead to a major refugee crisis, with serious cause. let's go to alison barbara on the ground. one of the checkpoints in poland where thousands of refugees have been fleeing. how do things look today, this morning, alison? >> yeah. this is one of many buses we have seen come across the border, here. they are typically filled with women and children. because men, they have been told that they cannot leave the country if they are of fighting age. that is between the ages of 18 and 60. this is one of eight checkpoints along the polish ukrainian border. this is the northernmost checkpoint, and this place, you can only come through if you are traveling by vehicle.
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we're gonna be a little careful. we're making our way through some cars and activity, among us let you see what we see as people arrive. most of what is coming as children. the un says that if this situation in ukraine continues to escalate further, there could be up to 4 million people fleeing ukraine. in poland alone, they say the government here is at least 100,000 people in crossing the border into poland. we're going further down the road, here. come with me so we can see exactly what we see on the ground. these are people who are polish, or have already made it out of ukraine. waiting to pick people up, waiting to help. that one man whose family has been on the other side of the border, in their car waiting for some 36 hours to get across. he has been sleeping in his car, waiting for them to arrive. listen to what he told us. he was in afghanistan working for an ngo when there was an
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attack on his family. they were there. listen. >> what is happening here will affect the whole world. i'm pretty sure it's not gonna stop here in the future. most of the world will have to understand that there will be consequences for this. it's not only the conflict that will impact ukraine, it will impact everyone around the world. >> how scared were you for your family safety when you heard those first airstrikes, bombs coming? >> i was in -- august 15th. i know the panic, what was going on. at that time i was alone, i did not want to do. what's to get out. with my family, i'm always afraid that they can get a lot of impact. a lot of targeted with this. i'm concerned about their safety. but i'm happy that their coast of mid to poland. just in enough time to get in. >> what's your name?
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>> -- >> i want to bring in some of the people who want to get off this bus, you've told us, how many days have you been traveling out of ukraine to get here. >> two days. >> today's! what did you leave behind? >> it's a difficult situation in ukraine. [inaudible] for what do we fight a? feeling not good. >> where we go from here? where will you say? >> bill yes, i am now. they are going. talking with friends. they are russian and ukrainian. very bad situation. >> thank you for talking to us. richard, one thing we keep hearing from people when they do arrive. they say they do not
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necessarily know when there are going to go. they just said where they were was not safe. they could not say there. they have to come here. >> alison, so it will you are pulling him aside to get the firsthand account. alison barber for us, live in poland. just as we watch many refugees trying to get out of the conflict zone. thank you alison. we're gonna go to break, but we want to share a nice moment from saturday night live. just a few hours ago in this building. the show started off with a tribute to ukraine. >> ladies and gentlemen, the ukrainian chorus of new york. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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>> welcome back. a short time ago, my colleague yasmin spoke with -- still in kyiv.
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amid russia's assault. we go back to a highlight of that conversation. let's take a listen to his powerful reporting, thinking about how last night was in kyiv. >> much worse. much worse. if it wasn't for the ukrainian military, we'd all be dead. we are experiencing fighting like we haven't before. fortunately, we don't -- we are under a curfew. marshall law. we're told to say inside, because there are saboteurs here. we are looking on the ground from our window to see who is who. yes, there's been a great deal of shelling. i'm interviewing a woman yesterday whose home was destroyed by russian missiles. i'm writing her story shortly. this is hail.
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there is no other words to describe it other than that. >> what have you been hearing terrell? what are you seeing that you can describe for us? >> just bombings -- explosions. automatic gunfire. like i said, fortunately the ukrainian military is fighting back. and i'll just read something from a military -- who's actually on the scene. so far, what we have is russians mean for texas's are still failing to enter kyiv. they sustained many casualties. the defense forces strong. those explosions that i hear are perhaps interceptors. i don't know. i suspect -- small sabotage groups. but they can't destroyed. he closed out by saying that --
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i definitely hear more explosions. more semiautomatic fire like never before. it's getting worse. and i've been told that tonight we could potentially be worse. because the city was postponed taken over, but it hasn't happened. >> what type of building or you, in terrell? i know that an apartment building was bombed. lives were lost. are you scared? i mean -- what's type of the link are you in? what's around you? >> yes. nothing but residencies. i'm definitely going to seek a different shelter. fortunately, in my neighborhood, from what i know so far, there hasn't been any hits near. but the city is so huge. as i said, this is the size of chicago. so, it's hard to know what's been hit, what's not been hit.
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because it's so big. but i haven't seen any armaments, any activity that would suggest anything near me has been hit. but i can't confirm that, because i haven't been out. because i can't go out. because we're under curfew, marshall. i can't go out. >> it's their point we feel it going to want to get out of kyiv? and you have a plan? >> i have a plan to be vigilant. my plan is to write what i'm witnessing. i've gotten my nerve together. so, i'm going to report. that's what i'm here to do. >> people you've been speaking to, how have they been feeling? worried about their city being taken over? separated from their families. loss of life. how are they doing? >> the best that they can, under the stir consensus. a woman i spoke to, whose house was destroyed, she is in done
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by at the moment. they left to be days before the war. they were telling me that -- she lived on the 16th floor. and even though she's fortunate enough to be a life, she says that she knew multiple neighbors who were killed. people are numb. people are just heard that some one would do this because, as far as they're concerned, i'm concerned, based on putin's language, this is an act of genocide that he's committing. as far as what we do, my friends and my professional colleagues, we text each other each more they're morning. three words. are you a life? those are our common morning greetings. >> journalists terrell jermaine starr there, little bit earlier this evening.
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thank you so much, terrell, for your putting there in kyiv. coming up, china refuses to step in to help prevent russia's takeover of the ukraine. and is even putting some of the blame on the united states. how far can she jinping go before hurting the two countries street relations? we'll be right back. relations we'll be right back. edition smart bed. welcome back. plus, 0% interest for 48 months on all smart beds. ends monday.
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as russia continues to invade ukraine, china finds itself in a complicated position. a key position. so far, the chinese government has not been able to decide what's its side is on russia, and vladimir putin. in the last few days, they've announced that they will begin to begin financing to russian -- they have been -- based on the question, where does china stand? important, author of -- and the coming collapse of
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china. gordon, thanks for being here. what is driving the wins of china's position when it comes to what is happening today with russia and what it is doing? >> china supports russia, and when bladder putin went to beijing for the holy -- opening ceremony of the olympics, they announced their partnership. but more important, they announced 170 billion dollars of oil and gas deals. earlier, russia has been sending -- tons to china. you mentioned the financing of commodity deals to russia. that's -- only. there is no -- it looks like it's an attempt to force russia into plan b transactions. as well as attack on the dollar. i do think that china will distance itself from russia, if the russian advance stalls like
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it currently is stalling. >> so it could change day-to-day, by the winds as we were just talking about. so gordon, with the announcement, again russia picking up the announcement. swift. now has some teeth to. it which could mean for the russian central bank, all of a sudden, their reserves that were red and b, will count for much more. might china try to counter and broker for these upcoming sessions that are coming? >> i think that is in beijing's intentions. largely because vladimir putin and the chinese ruler see themselves on the same page and the same adversaries. so they think they can get away with it. and this is in accordance with what the international community does in respect to china. and whether they impose sanctions on china for helping russia. i don't think that will -- but this is a day-to-day
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decision, as you point, out in beijing as to what they do. >> as we watch one country, russia, now undertaken encourage in europe. there is always the watch of other parts of the world for other parts of world affairs so they can take advantage of the situation. as the united states is now focusing its energy on one theater. is china at the moment, and just coming over the wires, china calling a u.s. warship going into the street just within the last few hours. calling that is provocative. how do you see the situation between taiwan and china right? now >> this is the first transit by a u.s. navy warship through the taiwan straight since november. up until, then it was once a month. i think with the biden administration is doing is signaling that beijing shouldn't get any ideas. obviously, there was a breakdown of the terms in ukraine. and the biden administration, and the international community, do not want to breakdown in
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deterrence with taiwan. but obviously, there are other types of china at this moment. particularly, india, japan, and the philippines. >> talking about taking advantage of the current situation. north korea, firing just another ballistics test. china saying this is very important, but especially right now. >> yes, korea will take advantage of this. they will test more. they have to, because their technicians need to validate their improvements. and indeed, one thing about north korea is its testing some very sophisticated missiles. and the international community needs to ask where north korea got that tack. most likely russia, and china. because north koreans did not develop this on their own. or at least, that's the lead likely possibility. >> quickly, what's the probability that those in the asian theater are watching what
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is happening in north korea, and the united states. and my do something right now. >> the probability that they're looking at it is 100 percent. the hundred -- probability that they will try to take action is about 50. what will they try to? do of course -- they're worried about a full scale invasion on taiwan. which up until a few weeks ago was not likely, now all bets are off. >> gordon chang, thank you so much for your expertise on these issues. thank you richard. >> i want to tell you about some breaking news breaking into us from nbc. a russian delegation arriving in belarus with talks with ukraine. it will be the first -- since russia started invasion earlier this week. dimitri peskov saying that the russian delegation included administrations from -- the saying, they are awaiting the arrival of their ukrainian
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counterparts in the city of -- . that news, just into us at msnbc. we will have more on that in the next hour. that wraps up this hour of the special breaking news coverage. i'm richard. our coverage continues after a quick break, with my colleague chris jansen. stick around. chris jansen stick around
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>> good morning from msnbc
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world headquarters and new york. i'm chris jansing. we begin with breaking news of russia's invasion of ukraine. and if you're just joining us, we're getting word and, just literally, the past couple of minutes, from the ukrainian president. here's exactly what we're learning from our reuters report. first, president zelenskyy says last night was brutal. with the shelling of civilian infrastructure. second, he says occupying forces are attacking civilians, where there is no military infrastructure. and then he says, occupying forces are attacking everything, including ambulances. and as for new russian suggestion of possible negotiation, he says it will happen in his country. such as belarus, that is hostile to ukraine. now to reports that russia has seized control of the southern city of -- a, small but strategic position city on the river. satellite images taken yesterday show russian forces heading into the city, where

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