volodymyr zelenskyy appeared to people around the world to join the resistance against russia's invasion. he said in part, quote, this is not just russia's invasion of ukraine. this is the beginning of a war against european structures, against democracy, against basic human rights, against a global order of law, rules and peaceful coexistence. zelenskyy says his country is ready for peace talks with russia, but not in vladimir putin's proposed location of belarus. and zelenskyy instead has named warsaw, bratislava in slovakia, istanbul in turkey, budapest, hungary or baku, azerbaijan as alternative enters, but made it clear that ukraine will not accept russia's selection of belarus, ukraine's neighbor to the north which served as a staging grounds for its invasion. there may in fact be belarusian trucks, soldiers and vehicles that have aided the invasion.

we will, ukraine has been hit with shelling, gunfire and explosions throughout the night and into the morning. overnight, russian forces blew up a gas pipeline in the northeastern ukrainian city of kharkiv, according to ukrainian officials. now, it is the second largest city in ukraine. the kharkiv regional state administration say that russian vehicles broke into the city on sunday morning, they are urging residents to remain in shelters. russian forces also targeting other major cities in the region as well. the mayor of nova scotia, says the southern ukrainian city which is home to a strategic hydroelectric plant is now in the hands of russian forces. the mayor says russian troops have quote, seized the city. the executive committee, and removed all ukrainian flags from buildings. it remains unclear if russian forces have also taken control of the power plant. now, amid the ongoing unrest, about 368,000 people have now

been forced to flee for neighboring countries. bordering cities in poland say around 100,000 people have arrived in recent days. now, joining me, and mrs. pat biden, or in the belgorod region of russia. i wanted to take a look at that map, and where kharkiv is in the northeast of ukraine, you can see it is close to the border. essentially, that is on the other side of that border, from kharkiv. he is very close to where that border is. matt, what is the situation where you are? >> thank you, ali. well, we just arrived. in recent days, basically, we have seen a lot of reports of some very heavy russian armor moving through this area. we have not seen some of the heaviest stuff yet, but just behind me up the road is one of the main checkpoints for essentially, russia's entry into ukraine for that assault

on kharkiv. we have seen a lot of logistics vehicles moving in and out, fuel there was with that infamous z marking, leaving the task force of the operation they are taking part in. so there have been many concerns recently, there are a lot of observations that this operation, now the entire ukrainian invasion, is perhaps taking longer, running longer than the russians had initially planned so they are running through shortages of supplies, shortages on fuel. we have seen a lot of fuel trucks coming in and out, just a few minutes ago, we saw essentially, and altering logistics vehicle, like a truck on tank treads, escorted by armored vehicles. we have also seen, i have to say, a lot of ambulances, which is interesting, considering russia continues to not acknowledge having suffered really any casualties whatsoever in this operation. today, ukrainians claiming that up to 4000 russian troops have been killed or injured so far russia is not acknowledging

that, but we have seen a lot of medical vehicles here as well. i have to say, we have seen a russian a pc being towed, just a few minutes ago, by a fuel truck, away from the checkpoints leading to kharkiv, back into belgorod. that's an interesting thing, but so far, we have seen some aerial action over here, we thought we did hear some fire in the direction towards kharkiv, we are close but not, i don't think we are that close. but residents have been talking about hearing missile launches, aircraft operating in the area. but that is kind of this road here, that checkpoint up the road, one of the main arteries for that russian assault on kharkiv, taking place right now. >> all right, matt bodner, please keep a close eye for is going on, let us know, you will bring you back on here. matt bodner is in belgorod region, in russia. he is across the northeast border of kharkiv, in ukraine. now joining me from the city of

lviv, which is on the other side of ukraine, on the western side, almost near the polish border is embassies cal perry. so, you have been there now for a few days. you have heard the sirens, indicating there is danger in the city. what have you seen in terms of people coming into live, from other parts of ukraine, people leaving lviv four point, and what is going on right now in lviv or you are right now? what is going >> certainly, we a steady increase of folks coming to this city. although in the area that i am in lviv, you would not know there is a war unless you were told there was. but, if you are just a mile from her to the train station, the war is apparent. you see it in the train stations, people trying to flee towards the polish border. some folks will try to find places here in this city, we basically spoke to a student run group talking about clearing out some dormitory space for refugees here. the other folks, mentioning to the polish border. it's quickly becoming a choke point, the backup goes for miles.

we have heard people waiting up to 36 hours to get across, some people abandoning their cars, taking what they can carry and headed to that border. also, what is unfolding across the country as we look at that fighting from kharkiv, as we look at what is happening in kyiv, and we just heard from the mayor of kyiv saying, the city is still in ukrainian hands. we are starting to see a narrative being put forward. the narrative that you heard matt bodner talk a little about, the russians are being bogged down. we can't independently confirm this, the number but the ukrainian defense minister is putting out a pretty stunning. they clearly want the people of ukraine to hear about it. they are saying they have killed more than 4300 russian troops. again, this is impossible for us to verify. they say they shot down 27 planes, 26 helicopters, 146 tanks. and we are seeing now on television, is more and more videos of russian soldiers that the ukrainians say they have captured. again, what i am talking about here is a narrative that the ukrainian government is putting out, because they want to keep morale high. we are starting to see, the citizen's defense forces form,

and communicate with each other. we have heard from the ukrainian president time and time again, the greatest asset that ukraine has is people, that is people are defending their homeland. and that is really starting to come across as you watched tv over here in ukraine. and of course, everybody wants to put on their best side of this conflict, to try to keep their population motivated. but the videos we see on ukrainian tv of these russian tanks being stopped, by being able to refuel, of russian pow's, it is a clear attempt to try to keep people here headed to the front, to try to keep people focused on fighting in the capital, ali. >> what are you hearing? yesterday, you and i on tv, we heard those sirens in the city. are you hearing more of that? >> no. this was the first night last night we did not hear sirens in the city. i have to tell you, it lifted the mood of the city. when those sirens were going off every other hour, people were headed to this bomb shelters, nobody was truly getting good sleep here. it sounds ridiculous, but it is important to this city, it will

become a support structure for the refugees coming here. and, again the attacks are happening so far, 350 miles away. there's a geographical barrier that people here are hoping and relying on. and again, 50 miles, away you not only on the border with poland, it's a european border, and the european union border. i think people here are hoping, at least hoping that putin will not come this far to the west, that he will not come this close to the border. certainly, i think that is the hope here. but there's an understanding that this war is a lot wider than people expected. people expected after hearing four weeks of the ukrainian president downplayed the threat, that the most they would see is fighting in the eastern provinces. clearly, this is a much wider battle, ali. >> play please stay safe, cal perry in lviv, ukraine, closer to the polish border that he is right now to the capital of kyiv. now joining me from przemysl,

poland, and learning to pronounce some of these names, a western border of poland and ukraine, it's really on the eastern side of poland, which is near the western side of ukraine, is nbc's kelly kobe. kelly, you've positions since yesterday, what's the situation where you are? this continues to look like an arrival point for ukrainians. >> yes, ali. this is actually the przemysl train station. in normal times, it looks a lot like a train station now looks like an evacuation center you can see on our side of the fence, these are all families and friends who have come to this train station to see if they could find the relatives. on the other side, train platform and 1600 people, women and children, who have arrived this morning from ukraine. many of them came from love it, and the towns around live, but some also came from the capital of kyiv, making that terrifying trip from kyiv, across the country to lviv, and then trying to get on this train. so when they arrived over, here

we have heard terrifying stories of their trips over here. one woman saying she came from kyiv, but in particular, this train journey was really tough. it should take two hours by train to get here from lviv. this trip took 16 hours. one woman said part of the reason for that is because they had to reroute around a bombed out rail bridge. they had to stop at one point, because they were explosions and fighting in the area, they had to wait until it was safe enough to continue their journey. then, they had to stop at the border. there was a long delay at the border. there were lots of happy reunions over here, smiles but also a deep, deep side is over here because these people know how difficult it was to get here, even by train. the journey is getting much more difficult for people, and they have left people behind. not only husbands and older

brothers, fathers, but mothers, grandmother's. one woman saying she had to leave her mom and grandmother behind in keith, because she was afraid they were not strong enough to make the journey, ali? >> kelly, let me ask you about what the process is there. when people we heard from, the un high commission for refugees, 368,000 people have left the country. we know there are internally displaced people already in ukraine, who have moved to other parts of ukraine, maybe some hoping to head to a nato country, or moldova nearby. what happens when people come in from ukraine, two point, to the offer themselves up as refugees? are they looking for visas? otherwise, are they free to move into poland? what happens when they show up? >> well, the political structure here in poland said anyone arriving here is free to claim asylum over here. they can go through that process in a number of processing centers which have been set up, i think eight of them now, possibly nine, sounds like they are starting up the train again, the train will go

back into ukraine and pick up more refugees, as i explained, that is a very long process. but back to what happens here, they can apply for asylum, stay here in poland, according to political leadership, as long as they would like. many of them do have relatives and family, although the ukrainian population here is quite large, over 1 million, close to 2 million ukrainians live in poland. and many of their relatives are coming here to pick them up, they have been living and working in poland for sometime anyways, or in other european countries. so many of them do other place to say, the alternatives is to go to one of these processing centers. there are a number of charity organizations that are up and running. i think poland is probably dealing with this, set up to deal with this much better than some of the other neighboring countries like hungary, particularly moldova, which is quite a small, poor country, where they do not have big,

ukrainian populations. it is a little bit more difficult to deal with these folks. for example, ali, we know that in moldova, they have set up tent cities. people are having to stay intense over there, in the cold. but over here in poland, the infrastructure is a little bit more solid for people who are coming in from ukraine. >> kelly, thank you very much. we will stick close to you through the course of the morning over there. kelly cobiella for us in eastern poland, on the ukrainian border. now joining me, is curable rick, a member of the ukrainian parliament. also, she is the leader of the political party. thank you for joining us this morning. i wanted to just read a tweet of yours that caught my attention. it is you, holding a weapon. you have said, i planned to plant tulips and daffodils in my backyard today. instead, i have learned firearms, and i'm ready for the next night of attacks on kyiv. we are not going anywhere. this is our city.

this is our land, our soil. we will fight for it. next week, i can plant my flowers, here. tell me about what has happened with you in the last few days. because we are hearing these stories of every ukrainians who have generally speaking, that had any dealings with firearms, molotov cocktails or ways of defending themselves, taking up arms to defend their cities of course you are a member of parliament. you are in a different situation? >> well, not a very different situation. i am a member of parliament, and i have never held a gun in my life. however, right now, once russia declared war on us, i got super, super angry. this is why i got my collision off rifle, i am learning to shoot it and, i'm remaining in kyiv, with my crew. and forming a resistance unit, we are going to resist, and do whatever is possible, to fight

russian soldiers on our soil. this is very simple, it was not even a question for us. you know how our lives have changed drastically. it required very strong decisions. so they have all been made. we need to fight for our country. you will agree with me that ukrainians have shown on how well they are fighting russian army. and every evening i am here hearing, oh this night, keefe can hold down, every morning we are waking up saying, no. we are still here, and we appreciate that. >> how do you overcome the reality and the fear? remember parliament, you know full well what ukraine's military strength is compared to russia's military strength. you are a small portion of the

strength of the russian military, in terms of everything, people, airplanes, ships, the whole thing. how is it that you can encourage people, that people like you can go out and say, we can hold kyiv. we can hold ukraine against the russian military? >> well, this is a david versus goliath situation, right? we are there right now, being david. we are in terms, of being [inaudible] resistance and second, kyiv did not quite plan anything. right now, he will have to regroup. every day that we are buying ourselves, time, we are also buying it for our international partners. i think that the sanctions work slowly, but at some point, they will create enough tension for putin so that he will, either he will not back off, but must

reconsider the intensity of how he wants to get into ukraine. >> you basically say, every day you fight, every day kyiv does not fall, that you see these citizens coming out there, the world gets to look at you and say, you know what? maybe it is worth going in and helping these ukrainians more than we did. >> yes, exactly. this is our plan. it has been working right now, for four days, there has been no big city in ukraine taken by russians. second, there have been 4000 russian soldiers killed, so putin will have to figure out where to take more people from. there has been additional sanctions from almost all of the democratic countries put into place. we are expecting more. nato, jens stoltenberg announced they will give us additional military support, and obviously, we are aiming to have a no fly zone over ukraine, by april. and i am sure, every day, we are showing that ukrainians are

fighting, it becomes very unpleasant for the rest of the world just to watch. so we are getting more and more help, we are super grateful for it. and we will be standing exactly from this point as well. >> tell me about learning to use a gun. you have not fired a gun in your life. you are holding a fairly large gun. are you prepared to use that gun? >> yes. i am prepared to use it in my resistance crew, we have people who have fought before, who are experienced soldiers. so they are training us through this. i could tell you right away, most of this training is how not to harm anyone while you are just having the gun, how to assemble, disassembled, clean it, and maybe 10% of how, is actually how to shoot it, and how to use it, etc. but this is an important point for us to make sure that we are able to do whatever is necessary for our country.

you know, i live in the center of kyiv, and every single time, when i think that i would have to leave, or forfeit my house, my city, i get so, so angry. because we did not do anything wrong. we just wanted to have our own country. now, he is coming to us with his forces, just to do what? instill some russian propaganda, to instill russian influence? what is stupid idea, what a stupid war. and for ukrainians, it is another way for the nation, you know, to get united, to get more organized than ever. we have seen a tremendous level of support throughout the country, through each other. this is in a time, when business, military, when ordinary citizens are just coming together, organizing

supply chains, organizing support for each other, working together. so this is an amazing time, just in terms of morale, and in terms of knowing that we will never be the same again, by that we will be back there. >> kira rudik it's a member of parliament in ukraine, member of the holos political party, and for this weekend for the first time, learn to use a firearm. we wish you the best of luck, thank you for being with us this morning. please stay in close touch with us. kira rudik, who we just heard from, is one of the many extraordinary, brave ukrainians who have heeded the call to defend the country, displaying remarkable strength and courage, despite the odds, pulling together to make a stand to defend their land in the face of russian brutality, and barbarity. like this individual, this man, who literally tried to stop a russian tank convoy single-handedly. russian tank convo

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has emerged from ukraine this weekend is the defiance of the ukrainian people in the face of the russian invasion. citizens have taken up arms to protect their homeland, and top government officials, including the president, volodymyr zelenskyy, have vowed to stay in the country and fight. on friday, night i talked to one senior government official, alexander kharchenko, he's ukraine's -- i was taken by the resolve on its face and his voice when i asked him about the danger that he and his countryman are taking. i do want to ask you about your safety. your government has been targeted, there are multiple reports, confirmed by u.s.

intelligence, that your government is targeted. the idea is to take out your government, your prime minister, your president is a target. i assume people like you are a target, as well. you are in and around kyiv are you scared? >> not so much. >> you do not feel they are going to succeed, in taking out your administration and your government? >> no way. >> what will you do if they occupy kyiv? what happens? what are your contingency plans? will you go west, the former government in exile of the russians for suit? >> they will never take kyiv. >> they will never take kyiv. at the moment, the ukrainian capital is still not fall into the russians. we're checking in again with alexander kharchenko, he is the culture and information minister of ukraine. to talk about where things stand. he's waiting for me, we're going to talk to him right after the break.

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it is oleksandr tkachenko. he is ukraine's minister of culture and information policy. minister tkachenko, thanks for being with us again. you are still in ukraine, you heard me talking to a member of parliament just a moment ago who has learned, for the first time, to use arms. we are seeing stories about this from all through ukraine. people either getting weapons, learning how to use weapons, learning how to make molotov cocktails. learning whatever they have to do. since when i first talk, the other night, the resistance has been significant against the russian army. the russians had really thought that they would be taking major cities by now, possibly including kyiv. >> that is the biggest difference. what is in the mind of so called putin hitler and, in reality, ukraine. this nation has more than 1000 history behind a resistance, to

fight for freedom. that is what he doesn't understand. not only here but also, a lot of people already, but not ready, but they are fighting. we are talking about a big russian army, but how can you expect that a big russian army can seize 40 million nations in the heart of europe if they all resist. they almost are resisting. almost all are resisting. you can show a picture of one man preventing a russian tank coming, but there are a lot of other pictures that we did prevent. and they are coming back. it's not only about more than 4000 russians killed, it's about hundreds of military machines that are stormed and crushed in ukraine. one important issue, which happened yesterday, already

showed's for ordinary russians a real name. the sanctions against the russian bank have already increased the rub level into times. if it really continues from all russian banks then this is normal, peaceful support of our allies -- >> you brought up hitler, which is remarkable. because putin had cut talked about the denazification of your government, which is not the infiltrated. they lure comparison it's interesting, in 1938 hitler asked the west if he could take food that landon czechoslovakia. just a piece of czechoslovakia, and then we'll be okay. and it was thought that was all right. and then a 1939 he went in the poll in the say, hey, we have german speakers, there we need to protect them. which is a very similar excuse to what putin used to go in the eastern ukraine. except vladimir putin is not in

eastern ukraine, he's all over ukraine right now. the troops are trying to get in every way possible. >> because, for him, our democratic society is a threat. as soon as we can succeed, and show to all of russia, then he is under the threat. that is the most important issue for him, because he is trying to use any accusations, any falsification, any manipulation and fake to convince their own population about the scene. what we are doing now, and what's our cyber guys are doing, is questioning russia channels with ukrainian -- my request a satellite channels all over the world is this which off russian channels because they are playing propaganda which is killing people in my country. but we are trying to do is switch off from youtube, russian channels, because it's important in this hybrid war.

they're sending, not only, wrong messages, but they are sending a war. not only to my country, but they are threatening the whole democratic world. >> your request for more military assistance. there's been a number of ukrainian officials who have asked, including your president, for a no fly zone. most people who are nato experience have said they're not going to do that. they can't get involved in the idea of nato jets getting into a fight with russian jets over ukraine and triggering a yet bigger war. so, one is the next best thing? if you don't get a no fly zone? >> i think it can be a humanitarian on fly zone. from some cities and ukraine. so, at least, something can be shown up. my belief, apart from military support, the most important issue is to but make russians

feel the same pain that our country is feeling, physically. any economic sanctions, against russia, strong economic sanctions against russia. are helping us to take away these russian armies away from our country. >> oleksandr tkachenko it is the ukrainian minister of culture and information policy. we appreciate you joining us this morning, thank you for taking the time to be with. us >> and freedom will prevail! >> freedom will prevail. appreciate it. russia continues its assault on ukraine, coming up next we have a live report from the ukrainian capital of kyiv. where, hours ago, an explosion hit a residential area. individuals are showing their support for ukraine all over the world. you are looking at live images of an anti war march in berlin. n berlin

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ukraine over the last 12 hours, here's what we know. russian troops moved into ukraine second largest city, kharkiv, you can see it on the northeast corner of the map right there. below moscow. they moved in last night, just 25 miles from the russian border. officials in kharkiv say russian blew up a gas line. a large explosion in a fire before dawn today. residents are being warned to stay in shelters, not to venture out onto the streets. meanwhile, the mayor of the southern ukrainian city of novak a covid, you can see it north of crimea there. he says it's now in the hands of russian forces. they have seized the executive committee and removed all ukrainian flags from buildings. that city is also the home of a strategically placed electric plant. it's also unclear whether

russians have taken control of the power plant, as well. the capital city of kyiv is still under ukrainian control, according to the head of the administration. but, attacks continue there as well. just this morning, crews were on scene at an explosion in a domestic neighborhood in kyiv. the explosion blasted the 16 story building. we are back with our continuing coverage of the russian invasion of ukraine. he's joining me from the capitol. igor, are you and i have spoken each day since this war has broken out. since this invasion has taken place. you're still in kyiv, you and i were on the phone when the sirens were going off and you are hearing explosions. there is definitely a sense, around the, world that the unexpected attack on kyiv, although the united states intelligence that said it would happen, was underway, and the russians would soon be there. they are there, and so are you.

and so a lot of the ukrainians who lived there. >> yeah, well, last night there was bombardment in the outlining areas. an oil depot outside of kyiv got blown out, releasing toxic smoke. the russians are outside, but ukrainians control of the major cities. it is forcing russia to take combat with big losses, that they wouldn't have wanted to take. russia was counting on a quick break, change the government to get out. but ukraine is not letting them do that. >> explain that to, me as a journalist. i know your ukrainian, you obviously have a great deal of civic pride being a ukrainian. but explain to me as a journalist, how civilians with no military training. our military that is a fraction of the size of the russian military, how the morale exists

in a way that convinces ukrainians that, without being a nato country, without u.s. and nato troops in your country, to fend off the russians, that you'll be able to do so. >> well, i'm really an american citizen. of ukrainian descent. i think, i understand, that people have never fired a gun before, even though they're completely new to this kind of situation. they feel like their backs are against the wall they have no other choice. they're fighting the resistance of ukraine. do or die. people who have small children and families to think of, they want to evacuate them. they devoted to their family, but they're also devoted to their country. lots of people feel like they have no other choice but to stand up and fight, even if they never fired again before. as a journalist, i've never been in that situation myself.

but it's like you have no other choice. >> in talking to two legislators, i before i talk to, you i talked to the minister of culture and information and a member of parliament, a leader of political party. both of them are sort of implying, if this resistance works, if ukraine is able, better to expected, to hold off the russian invasion, that maybe the world will see to it that they will get more involved in this thing. i don't know what's that more wild looks like, because the west is not agreeing to the things that ukraine needs. but there is some concept that, if you can live to fight another day, this fight might actually be one. >> there is a sense that, the longer this drags, out the worse it is for russia. the more they're going to suffer. i think people are going to -- ukraine is not letting them do

that. russia has intensified bombing, trying to bomb ukraine into submission. they're going from south, largely an exposed, as a story we're about to publish. we just got reports that troops are approaching the nuclear power plant in, i believe it's -- let me double check. separate shia, and that is a frightening prospect. so they're just trying to hold them off, and maybe as more weapons and sanctions come from the west, maybe from more horrors unfold, the west will finally be compelled to do more and more to try and stop putin. and help ukraine survive. >> i want to put that map back

up. do you know where this nuclear power plant is? that you just mentioned? we're looking at a map of ukraine right now. just so my viewers have some sense of where in the country this maybe. >> it's in -- this is according to says thank, oh and advisor to ukraine's interior minister. he said this yesterday. we're not sure what's going to play out. ukraine still holds most of the main cities, but as the same time russia still has more troops. even though they've had more than expected they still many more of. them >> there's still many more of. them, eager to talk to you. again igor konashenkov it's an editor and reporter with the kyiv and dependent. coming, up this weekend vladimir putin became a member of an exclusive club. one that he deathly doesn't want to be a part.

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myanmar, are all members via a technicality. on friday, russian president vladimir putin became a member of this club. as the exclusive club of world leaders who have been sanctioned by the u.s. government. i say the president of zimbabwe, iran and myanmar are only members by technicality because they are all already sanctioned individuals, who became leaders of the country after they had already been added to the sanctions list. it's a big deal for the head of our country to be sanctioned while they are the head of that country it basically means that the u.s. believes there is no longer hope for diplomacy with that person, and their country. the personal sanctions levied against putin were not just taken by the u.s., canada, japan, the united kingdom and the european union all took similar actions against a russian leader, as well. australia has said it may follow the lead of those countries unsanctioned putin directly. this is an incredible united front, personally sanctioning

vladimir putin over his decision to invade ukraine. but, what does it actually mean for him? how does it fit into the larger puzzle of economic measures that are taken against russia, with the overall policy objective of getting them back to back off of ukraine? in addition to the sanctions on putin, the u.s. and its allies are taking aim at russia through a highly important banking system that is considered the backbone of international finance. what this could mean for russia, is up next. for russia, is up next is up next >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire

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smith, he's a former senior adviser at the u.s. treasury department office of asset control, in the former director of multilateral affairs and president obama's national security council. they offered brief congress in the private sector on sanctions policies. adam, good to see you, thank you for being with us this morning. >> good, morning thank you for having me. >> let's talk about this club that vladimir putin is a member, of this idea of personally sanctioning larry putin. people wear that, rich who are dictators, who are autocrats, all the people on that list don't have bank accounts like you and me. where they go in and give their passport, drivers license, and they get their account. they have very complicated financial structures, that often don't correct directly to them. somebody in the middle either get the commissioner some kind of preferential treatment for handling their money. how do you, with those personally sanctioning vladimir

putin naturally due to him, and what does it have on his ability to be the president of russia. >> it's a great question. i think you're exactly right. for president putin, he is not like you and me, he does not have an atm card and go to the atm to get his money on a daily basis. i think the impact here, frankly, is as cathartic as it is impactful. it is a messaging tool as much as anything else. there is no question that he still has the full authority of the russian state, he can still live in the kremlin and fly around on the kremlin their planes and eat and live as well as he wants. it is not an issue of him, sort of, ending a penny less in the streets of moscow. it is really an issue of political will by the community that he is beyond the pale, he is in that club that you do not want to be a part. of those other parties of that club are not nice people. these are war criminals, these are people who are very much beyond the pale. his ability to be president of

russia, it certainly impacts his ability to be seen as a legitimate actor on the world stage. in the medium term, that will impact his ability to control russia and to control his future in russia, as well. >> let's talk about the big stick. there are big sanctions that have not been imposed just yet, the removal from the international payment system, the swift system. there are some european governments, or companies, and some americans, that are not that interested in it because it cuts off both ways. if you sell the russia or by from russia. and then, there's the energy sanctions. which, again, some european countries don't want to do, because they depend on russian oil and gas. frankly, if the price of oil and gas goes up because you caught russia out of the system, it goes up for everybody in the world. but i could be crippling to russia. >> i think the energy, more so than that swift. swift the main measure we have been talking about.

the main sanctions introduce so far where those against north street, the pipeline into germany. the u.s. have sanctioned parties associated with that, that is energy related to sanctions that hits directly at the wallet of president putin. the swift mechanism, the payment you just referred to. they announced yesterday, on a bilateral basis, a multilateral basis, which is what's amazing here, turn move certain banks, russian banks, from the swift system. the reason this is amazing, the last time this was done was for that spectator ron. it took years to get the europeans on board to do this. this was done, arguably, within 36 hours, maybe a week depending on how you do the math. and which they are peons originally thought that the swift was very much off limits, a third rail. but they are willing to go that far. the actual impact of removing these swift banks is to be

seen. it is just a communications network, it is not a payment system. so long as there is still demands for the goods that russia are saying, gas, oil, titanium etc, there will be a means that likely an incentive to try and work around these payment systems. it will be difficult, it will be challenging, it will cost russian money, time, security, certainty. but, i'm sure it won't be the silver bullet some people imagine. >> we're going to talk more about this or the course of the show, so people can actually get to understand it. we appreciate your analysis on those bigger sanctions, adam. good to see you as always, thank you for being with us. adam and smith, a former senior adviser at the treasury office of asset control in the former director of lateral affair in president obama's national security council. coming, up urban warfare specialist tom spencer tweeted advice for how the civilian resistance could be most effective in ukraine. that advice has gone viral around the world. one of his main points, quote,

hope is more powerful than any military weapon. only time will tell if he's right. we've got two more hours of a special edition of velshi, and it starts right now. ion of velshi, and it starts right now. >> good morning to you, 8 am in new york. 3 pm in the afternoon in the ukrainian capital city of kyiv. i am ali those, fighting in ukraine's second largest city overnight. hours, ago russian troops swoop into the eastern ukrainian city of kharkiv, which is located about 25 miles from the eastern russian border. kharkiv's chief of police said quote, it is quite dangerous on the streets of the city now. stay in the shelters, do not go outside. kharkiv officials also accused russian forces of blowing up a gas pipeline that caused a large explosion, and fire in the city before dawn to a. one of the many attacks