cities together, even targeting civilians. we were told that they would welcome us. and, they are falling under our armored vehicles, throwing themselves onto the wheels, and not allowing us to pass. they call us fascists. mom, this is so hard. >> and that is tonight's last word on vladimir putin's war. iraqi news coverage continues with stephanie rugel, next. stephanie rugel, next good evening, i'm stephanie ruhle, welcome to nbc special coverage of the war in ukraine, as we close out day five from the west, we will look at where

we are, and where we're going. first, the situation on the ground. it's tuesday morning in kyiv, and as ongoing as vladimir putin husband. russia than a role across ukraine, as army isn't looking like the ultimate fighting force, and they are facing serious resistance from ukraine. but as proud as they may be, ukrainians know there are dark days ahead. satellite images show a massive convoy of russian equipment and troops outside the capital that reportedly stretches for miles. today, russian forces carried out intense shelling in ukraine's second largest city, and here is the pentagon's assessment of that situation. >> the russians have not only experienced a stiff and determined resistance by the ukrainians, but logistics and systemic problems of their own. mr. putin still has at his disposal significant combat power. he hasn't moved all of it into ukraine, but he's moved the majority of it. he still has a lot that he

hasn't moved into ukraine. >> ukraine and russia did come to the negotiating table today for the first time since the war began. but so far, they've only agreed to meet again. while much of the world is concerned, putin has made it clear that is nuclear forces are at the ready. and the west is escalating its own financial war on russia, adding crushing new sanctions that can, and will cripple an order you weak crush an economy. chris murphy tweeted this today, the u.s. and allies according to not only freeze the assets of putin's olive back allies, but the sees those assets as well. meanwhile, the mass exodus of ukrainians trying to escape shows no signs of slowing down. the un estimates more than 520,000 people have left the country so far. most of them women and children. men between the age of 18 and 60 cannot leave. they have to stay and fight. my colleague matt bradley is in ukraine, and nbc's raf sensuous

and moscow. matt, as i understand, you just heard aerate sirens where you are. it was just a week and a half ago, you and i were talking, and you are telling the ukrainians, they don't think anything is gonna happen. >> yeah, stephanie, that situation is obviously changed. this is now five days exactly, and one hour into this assault, this really did catch a lot of ukrainians off-guard, and i'm in a different place and where i was last year and we have these conversation. those in the eastern part of the country in the city of kharkiv, which is the second largest city in the country. it's the largest russian -speaking city. it's the kind of city where vladimir putin might have expected that his military might have walked in their, waltz right in, and the russian-speaking people there would have welcomed him as liberators. liberate us from their supposed the presses in kyiv. now this, of course, is all of putin's the ranged, iridescent

mentality. his view that the russian speakers in the eastern part of the country belong with russia, under pressed. even the victims of genocide by the governments in kyiv. but, that never came to pass, because the fact of the matter is this country, even russian speaking parts, which i'm no longer it in, even they see themselves very much as ukrainians. the problem is, for vladimir putin, that if you wanted to unite ukrainians, he did exactly that, by attacking them. he brought them all together, and you saw that on an international level to by attacking ukraine, he also breathe new life into the nato alliance that he so despised. he brought it back from the brink of a relevance, and made it more immediate, and more necessary. so a lot of this, just as you're talking about the battlefield stakes and lack of gains that he really should've maids. and even from the beginning, this was putin's war through lose. everything so far seems to be going against what he wanted,

when he intended. and instead, he's really making a mess of it on the global stage, now. what happens next? the problem is, i was just in kharkiv. that is now the scene of a blistering street to street fighting. we're also hearing that there is a lot of talk of war crimes. the main things that we're hearing about is these so-called cluster munitions, we've been seeing lots of videos of these bombs that get dropped, and then explode above ground, and scatter bombs all over these residential areas. and this is something that the united states hasn't used in decades. they're forbidden by 110 countries throughout the world. russia is one of them, and the u.s.. but the fact is that this is something that really goes to show that vladimir putin's war is being carried by the civilian population here in ukraine. on hearing in oman, and this is the third arrow sign that we've heard in the 12 hours since we arrived. we haven't heard any bombs.

so you may be wondering why the population here is so incredibly concerned. so jittery. this is a small city, it's not a main target. the reason why is that in the outside of this war, five days ago, here in the small town, a 14 year old girl was among the first who were leveled by one of these and coming moms while she was riding her bicycle. so this is why this has this tiny town so jittery, and this is the story this whole country. it's civilians who are carrying this war, and it's the civilians who vladimir putin had hoped to bring on side, had hope that they would greet his army's liberators. and now, he's antagonized them terribly. stephanie? >> while the west is uniting around ukraine, raf, take us to moscow, what's going on there? >> stephanie, we are starting to see the sanctions take a toll on daily life here in russia. i'll give you a couple of examples. moscow has this beautiful, world famous subway system, and people here use their phones a

lot of the time to pay at the turnstiles. but starting today, people have been finding apple pay, google pay, it is not working down there. if their banks are on the list of banks that have been sanctioned by the west. i was in my hotel room in a couple of days ago, and i got a call from the front desk, and they asked me to come down and settle the bill early, because they are not sure how much longer credit cards are going to be working in this country. we are not yet seeing runs on banks, or anything like that. but i'll tell you, people here, ordinary middle class russians about nothing to vladimir putin's war, are absolutely terrified as they watch the value of the rugel collapse in front of their eyes. one ripple is now worth less than a scent for the first time. people are really frightened about what this means for their savings, whether their savings are going to be wiped out by

this. now, vladimir putin had a plan for this. since 2014, he has been building a financial war chest in a foreign currency reserve that was designed for exactly the situation. to prop up the ripple in the face of western sanctions. well the kremlin did not anticipate was how aggressively the western powers would move against russia central bank, and effectively make it impossible for them to access big chunks of that financial war chest. so, vladimir putin called on his economic advisers today, but it's not clear how much they're going to be able to do to shield the russian economy. stephanie? >> now, and people are suffering. matt, raf, stay safe where you are. if you have anything, come back to the cameras, we will certainly want those updates. but for now, let's bring in our experts. msnbc contributor for pbs news hour. retired army lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, the former director for european affairs for the u.s. national security council with an expertise in

ukraine. jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia and the pentagon, and william taylor, former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, and the united states institute of peace of vice president for russia. colonel vindman, have to start with you. you are born in ukraine, you know this country, and you know putin. ukraine has been much stronger than putin has months waited. he's facing global blowback. his own people are protesting, and his stars are athletes are rejecting him. he's getting humiliated. what is this next move? >> double down. he's gonna respond more aggressively. the fact is that he's experienced a couple of decades of power where all he needed to do was ratchet up the pressure, and increase the violence. increase the suppression at home, i have these those artifacts. and oftentimes threw out his ten year, the west sat silently. now he has the price and, build

in the fact that this is a different landscape. there's a much more of a muscular response, but isn't stakes is ingrained pattern of doubling down. and achieve as military objective in ukraine. because if you can do that, and you can start to prop up the government. if you can attempt to pacify the population, he thinks there's a way out of this. unfortunately, i think the ukrainian people as you pointed out are having a deep will to resist. they're not going to give up. there's going to go on. if this gets as violent as i think it will, as going to go on for weeks, and it's going to continue to build pressure on vladimir putin just as the population starts to feel the pressure from the economic sanctions and the protests that have been relatively modest, but are going to explode when the russian family start to hear about the casualties russia suffered. >> given all of that, ambassador taylor, let's be

honest, what is the point of these talks between ukrainian delegates and russian delegates? unless putin is at the table, nothing is going to happen. and even if he is, is not going to do anything reasonable. >> stephanie, you're right. is not gonna do anything reasonable. he's sending a former minister of culture to these talks. whereas the ukrainians, president zelenskyy sent his defense minister. and one of his chief lieutenants in his party. so, the ukrainians did the right thing of saying, look, there needs to be a discussion. there needs to be a conversation. it needs to be a negotiation, and there needs to be a cease-fire. you can't get anything done while there is fighting going on. matt bradley that a great job of describing exactly what's going on with ukraine. and alex vindman just said the same thing. ukrainians are going to fight. ukrainians are unified. presidents alum ski has a his

nation, and as the lead the world in opposing putin, and president zelenskyy's really stood up. and he has said people to negotiate as a reasonable person should, and the russians don't seem to be taking him seriously. >> chairman, what do you think? >> i'm concerned about putin doubling down. i think there is encouraging news about the performance of ukrainian military on the battlefield. i'm encouraged by the impact of the sanctions, we referenced the ruble collapsing. orphans the fact that the stock market is operating for five days, and that people are lined up to get cash out of russian banks. so i'm encouraged by the work that is happening today, but what is putin doing now to double down as eyelids when man said? he lacey shtick kyiv. he strikes as civilian targets. he, i think, engages in the worst war crimes imaginable. he carpet bombs apartment buildings, uses chemical weapons, and even rattles the

nuclear saber. i think we are entering perhaps the most dangerous phase. on some level, if putin just walked, and the county government and taking over, we would've went into a very long cold war style conflict. but now, i think we're on the brink of a significant military escalation. and the united states and the west are going to have to weigh a number of options to try to figure out how to stop the slaughter and ukraine. but we have no good answers. >> i'm, and what is your word stung you, because the sanctions may be damaging and huge. if we're on the brink of a massive military escalation, economic sanctions won't matter. >> no, but that is exactly the strategy for the u.s. and its allies right now. nato troops are not going in. the u.s. is not sending troops in. president biden has made that clear, over and over again. they chose instead to wage economic war. and the administration official told us, the sanctions, this

latest draft of sanctions will affect absolutely everything. previously, it was very limited, you're only going after the elites, the oligarchs, and influential circle within. this will impact absolutely everybody in there. they are counting on the people of russia to be impacted by that, and then to rise up and protests that. because, as a senior european official told me, the point of some of these sanctions as to say that this is not someone also's war. this is russia's war. this is a war being waged in your name. and i think that will also help to build some of those protests that a they've seen before. we are absolutely right, i've seen forces on the grounds in different parts of ukraine as well. to be honest, they're a little surprise at the resilience of the ukrainian people. and just talk patriotic everyone has been. just because someone's not issued a weapon, they are going to forgot a way to volunteer, to help out in their town.

but, they don't know is coming next either. and the reports of this approaching russian column, the concern around not being a rational actor, about being cornered by the sanctions, as everyone on edge. we don't know what will happen next. >> colonel vindman, qassem. of these influential oligarchs, who do matter a lot to putin, could they turn on him? they don't live in russia, they don't care about ukraine, they live in new new york, and the south of france, and they don't want their assets frozen, or their yachts taken away. could they turn on putin here? >> i don't think that's going to be meaningful, and it's probably not likely. they know what's happening. if anybody is going to turn on him, he's going to be a palace coup. is going to be the security services, the military. he's bringing the country into the brink of destruction. those are the things that the russian rulers have traditionally feared. the the street uprisings.

lawyers are lawyers in this case well under -- but was interesting about the in it is because ukrainian people is that of that that it's because of them that these these discussions discussions are even in play. even most military happen. most analysts thought military analysts thought that that russia would russia would achieve their military objective within achieve its days. that's not the military objective in days. case. now this is a different that is not the case. landscape. now it's a different landscape. certainly, certainly, this economic war is this economic war is meaningful meaningful, but we are on the but we are on brink and a brink -- were sunny in the middle of certainly on the brink of a cold war. a cold war. might be on the brink we might very well of a hot war be on the brink of a half. this if this is in play very carefully. doesn't play very and i think part of the carefully. weight we need a sigh thinking about what do we do since we're not going to put boots on the ground in ukraine. what can we do to what do we do to support the ukrainian support ukraine people? people? we give would we do to support them? we give them them everything they everything they want. want. and and that means we opened the door more if that means widely to nato, and these who opened the door more widely to the eu. they're already paying for it. they're paying for it with the blood. and it's a rigid process to get to the eu. it's a rigid process to get to nato. but it's a defensive

organization, and it frankly, we probably could use that strength in nato, and the you could use that blood that kind of spirit in this organization. when you see gardening we council supported that population so that they can survive, there's going to give us time for these other pressures to come to bear. pressures many western countries are coming to the aid of ukraine, but not all. israel for example of the new york times points out that they are in a delicate balance in the middle. why is that? why was in israel come out forcefully behind ukraine? >> of course they should. of course the. should why haven't they? >> that is up to the israeli's. but the first party said is exactly right, look at what the german, the turnaround of the germans is incredible. the swiss, the swiss -- they are no longer neutral. the suites, the fins this is an amazing swell of support of

international support for ukraine. and against russia. so that is the good news out of the sudden again. >> abandoning their brand. the swiss. no longer neutral. thank you all so much. we are gonna leave it there for now. but i am sure you will be back very, very. soon very me bass, ambassador william taylor. thank you and good evening to you. all coming up next, an in-depth look at this criminal sections. and how it's impacting russia. why it's bad news for the russian economy hitting putin where it hurts. and the effects we could fear share at home. and later, former homeland security, secretary dick johnston on the dangers of lies. tearing through society. as we face this crisis abroad. our special coverage be on ukraine's border is just getting underway on this monday night. just schwab starter kit™. new investors can open an account and get $50 to split across the top five stocks in the s&p 500®. night.

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stand with sanctions against russia and the effects they are already having on its economy. the united states, along with its allies around the world, uk, the eu, canada, japan even switzerland, i said it before, neutral switzerland. they are putting maximum economic pressure on russia. and the financial structure, they are once cutting off some of the biggest russian banks from the u.s. financial system and from swift, the international messaging system that connects thousands of institutions around the world. their actions also specifically targeting companies of industries. the sanctions also go after powerful individuals including vladimir putin himself. in a number of influential oligarchs. in today, the u.s. government is going even further. this is a big one. freezing hundreds of millions of dollars that you know who it belongs to, the russian central bank. without that money, it's going to be a whole lot harder to prop up the russian economy in the pain it is already. in the rubble fell about 30%

against the dollar to record low of today. average russians are lining up that banks trying to withdraw whatever money they can. all of this is a very important reminder that vladimir putin promotes its nation as a superpower. russia has super new color power, but not economic power. even before the sanctions, it was just the 11th largest economy in the world. that is like the size of the state of new york. and not the economy is in free fall. with us tonight to follow the money, julian tech, she is the chair of the editorial of war and editor at large for the financial times. and david milbank, the president and ceo of the international rescue committee. and the foreign former secretary for the uk. jillian, there have already been a lot of tough sanctions on russia over the weekend. but this latest one, going after their central bank, i mean, that is like taking away their safety net. >> absolutely. i mean, this is really the equivalent of financial shock

to all to use the financial tech of technology. it's significant, because it really means that russia can't get access in dollars in euros as easy going forward. this is having immediate impact on citizens in a sense that people going on the metro in moscow, today, found that they suddenly could not use apple pay systems or their automated system. people are trying to use credit cards, as you heard earlier in the, show are suddenly being told that they cannot use it in moscow. and of course, we are seeing people queuing up outside of banks trying to get that money out. and that is the rising fear of penguins. we have already had one of the european branches of one of the biggest banks being essentially told by the european central bank that they are essentially, you know, going to collapse. now, it's important to get this perspective. because russia's central bank has prepared, in many ways, to make itself more resilient by

reducing its holdings of exposure to dollars in recent years. bringing back its foreign exchange reserves from outside of the country bank into russia. and also by lots of gold. so, they have certainly been preparing for this kind of isolation. with that said, it is not going to protect it from all of the fallout. and on top of that, you have these the other things that you mentioned. banks are being cut out of the swiss messaging system. russian banks. although we're not quite sure how it's going to play. on we have a lot of international companies cutting ties with russian, basically trying to stop their joint bank sanctions. and we have the sanctions of the campaign. so, it's up to a pretty shocking collection of measures. the big question though is not just how badly would've hit russia. but what would be the ripple effects on the rest of the financial system? and that is something that a

lot of investors are starting to worry about. >> there's another big question david. you are seeing average russians suffered the consequences. but what about the really rich and powerful ones? do you know what they're gonna besides making money? finding loopholes. how serious are these sanctions in terms of really impacting everybody they're intended to? >> well, i think all the evidence is to backup what deal has been saying tonight. this is a shock. i think there's well funded views the london has not taken seriously enough in the last decade that we need to crack down on the flows of finance through london. that involves institutions and it involves individuals. i think that the european union's, the swedish sanctions, are forcing the hands of the london authorities. those there has been some significant -- that now needs to be translated into actions. so, i think that we are in an absolutely pivotal moment where the russians themselves are

feeling the consequences. and of, course for the very rich rush, and some of the symbolic steps that have been taken, for example, access to european air base for commercial flights are quite meaningful. >> is there a scenario where those rich influential russians ever turn on putin? they don't have these delusions of grandeur when it comes to world domination like he does. but they sure like to fly their planes all over your. jillian? >> i was going to say that there is a possibility that that might have been. as someone who used to live in the soviet union myself and has watched the soviet, post soviet system, for many years. one of the things that's very important right now is what happens to the upper mid level of the former kgb intelligence people. because the really rich russians, for the most part can shell themselves. they have a ways to get escape routes in recent years. keep in from sanctions where they can soften the blow. the people who are potentially

very interesting right now around putin are the ones who are two, three, for not just down from the very top. there may be a statue of money over in switzerland. they may have an apartment in spain. they might've funded by account in cypress. but if those people start to see all of their avenues of escape shut off or really see serious threats to their lifestyle, it's going to be the start to see -- because the brutal reality of russian history is that you always never have affective change of government or, essentially, change of leadership because of what's happening in the streets. it's been the people around the leader, the palace coup, that is the most effective. and that doesn't really come -- we come through that middle upper level. and so that i think is one of the groups of people that many of these new sanctions are intended to try and target. that potentially create that ricochet effect.

>> that is fascinating. david, what do you think about that? >> i think that joe's explanation of sociology of russia is really important. i also need to focus on the politics and a couple of things that are important, first of all this is the anniversary of the assassination of one of president putin's greatest opponents. boris months off. he was assassinated. and so there is a climate a very clever. not this is not a new phenomenon in russia. it's got a long history. but i think that political angle is very formed indeed. secondly, i think it's vital that we think about the different institutions of the russian state. because that has been a drive to centralize obviously. and a husband symbolized in the last few days by the picture of president putin pulling his military officials and national security officials in front of him to explain why they agree with him. we have seen the centralization

of power. but even in that system, you've got people, as jill said, at different powers who are beginning to feel the fight of what's going. on and i think that the thing that russia should be turned into a prize today is a very significant change in the balance that has existed, certainly, over the post cold war period. we are a long way from seeing that plane through. this is for a very long way, i fear from the end of the humanitarian catastrophe across the border as a result of the conflict that will probably talk about later. >> before we go, i want to ask you about that. how bad do you think this humanitarian crisis is going to be, david, you are an organization. you helped 31 million people in 2020 alone. when you look at how things are unfolding in ukraine, how bad do you think it is going to get? >> well, there are three fronts to the humanitarian crisis. there is the people courts amongst the shelling. and there are well founded reports of affective for more

crimes being committed in the showing of civilian areas. secondly, you have people on the run. -- fleeing for their lives. and then people across the borders as refugees. that is the third part of the humanitarian crisis. 500,000 people, it police, have crossed the borders into neighboring states. it is very important to say, those are women and children. because the men, aged 18 to 60, are being required to stay and fight and actually volunteer as well to standby. so half 1 million, women and children, a few men, who desperately fear for what's happened to the relatives. and now, we need the most biggest needs of humanitarian from -- thankfully, it is unity not division in the determination to meet that need. but there is a massive practical joke that needs to be done urgently. >> it certainly is. david, gillian, thank you for joining us this evening. i really appreciated. coming up next, jake johnston. on what joe biden needs to tell

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over, they are continuing to fight back against russians and several major cities. vladimir putin has said to be growing increasingly frustrated. u.s. intelligence agencies and alexander vindman just told us

moments ago that putin may soon be doubling down on violence as he sees it as his only option. let's welcome former secretary of homeland security, jay johnson. who during the obama administration, oversaw cybersecurity, counter-terrorism and federal disaster response just to name a few. secretary, i am so glad you are here. we need your expertise now more than ever. you've seen everything. you've done everything. so, what is your assessment of what is happening in europe right now? >> first of all. stephanie, pleased to be here on the day of your new show. congratulations. >> thanks. >> several things. one, the western world is united behind a single purpose. unlike anything i've seen since 9/11. rarely are the out of the lines between what is clearly good and what is clearly evil are john in this way. and the western world is

responding to the sanctions that will prove to be extremely effective in putting all sorts of economic pressure on vladimir putin, the oligarchs of cabinet. it will take a while to have an effect. now, the dark side of the point is, i believe, things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. i believe that civilian casualties in ukraine are going to mount. the ukrainians are putting up an extraordinarily brave front. they are proving that sometimes the will to fight, with nothing more than a rifle or a cocktail bomb, can overcome the russian following orders. the biden administration, i believe they've responded effectively. they have let this correlation. but they are going to come under intense pressure soon. as civilian casualties now from

domestic political pressures from international pressures to intervene militarily. despite the presidents pledge not to put boots on the ground there. the american impulse, so often, has been to put boots on the ground in some discipline to defend freedom. but lessons learned aren't that it is often more easier to get into a situation like this then it is to extricate yourself from. one so, a lot of careful discipline and thinking is going to go into the next few days, weeks and months i suspect. >> do you think that we should be taking military action now? >> i do not. i believe that we should arm the ukrainians. i believe that we should press all sorts of very aggressive sanctions. i believe that we should act in unison's would nato. but, in the current since some stances, i would not support putting boots on the ground. american boots on the ground. that is going to be stressed.

if civilian casualties mount, if putin starts slaughtering innocent men and children in large numbers -- >> is not going to happen? though i mean, look at our intelligence. it seems like we are calling on putin's next moves hours before he takes action. it has been hugely frustrating for him. >> and he did it anyway. correct. but you are right. our intelligence committee, i think, has been extraordinary in declassifying the intelligence at a certain speed and agility but you don't normally see. sorting through declassifying things with the risk of sources and methods. i'm being forward in interpreting that intelligence. to really put vladimir putin on the street for the whole world to see. the thing is that he has done it anyway. i agree with the analysis of a lot of people that this is a man who is isolated. he's been president for too

long. and he is coming and hinged. at the end of the day, i think that this chapter is going to cause vladimir putin his presidency ultimately. but it's going to get ugly before it's going to get better. >> and we're living in dangerous times. tomorrow, the president will be giving his first state of the union address. the world will be watching. given everything you and i just covered, what does he need to say? >> well, first, the special state of the union is special for me. six years, ago i happen to be there doesn't needed survivor at the state of the union so i have to miss it when i was secretary homeland security. i believe what we are going to hear from president biden too, tomorrow night, if i know. first of all, he's going to talk about the situation ukraine. he's going to say that we must defend freedom. this is we. our but he is going to talk more about the recovery from covid. i'm sure he's going to talk

about the economy. he's going to talk about how he's very proud about his supreme court nominee and her swift confirmation of her. ukraine will be the first thing, first and foremost. he's going to remind us of our values as americans. that we are being put to the test right now. >> our special thanks to former homeland secretary, jeh johnson, . coming up next, he calls putin an unelected, unaccountable an increasingly deranged dictator. the russian opposition leader who escaped a fatal poisoning, not once but twice. he joins us from russia. one of our special coverage continues. s from rsiusa. s from rsiusa. one of our special continues. not all plastic is the same. we're carefully designing our bottles to be 100% recyclable, including the caps. they're collected and separated from other plastics, that we use to make new bottles. that completes the circle and reduces plastic waste.

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sunday alone. our next guest says that this is not what many russians want. with us tonight from moscow, russia opposition politician, vladimir caramel is a, he has survived two suspected poisoning attempts and continues to speak out against putin and the current russian government. you have been against vladimir putin for years and years. and now, we are seeing people take to the streets. furious with this current actions. going broke. could the rage against putin, right now, grossed oh strong how the actually gets taken out of office? >> well, hello stephanie, i will tell myself to say good evening instead of good morning because there's nothing good about what's happening. you are absolutely. right your previous guest put it very well. putin has been president for too long he's been in power now for more than 22 years we have a whole generation of people in this country that have no other political memories. people in russia who were born in russia, went to kindergarten,

went to school, and now starting their professional life. from the very beginning of, israel let him or putin begin flush here in russia. and he has institutions that he had previously turned for the -- and, then as it always, happens in the broaden history of, russia domestic progression and external aggression always go hand in hand. and then of course, mr. putin's attempt -- what we are seeing now is that this military aggression is military pride. the putin, rasheem not the russian people, but the putin regime is an leaching against ukraine in a long series of military adventures that mr. putin has undertaken. but you know what, it may well turned out to be his last. because i cannot say much as a politician but also as a historian, russian and soviet rulers do not have a really good track record of so-called, small victorious wars.

those that are launch for domestic public attention. always from the problems away from home. we can think back to the crimean war in the 19th century. the japanese war in the 20th century. and so. on and so this is yet another one that may walter not to be's last. and as you said a few moments ago, thousands of people went to the streets, all over russia. actually, the updated figures that we just heard from the human rights group that more than 3000 people were arrested in the last few days in dozens of cities across the country are going to the streets and protesting against putin's aggression on ukraine. and it is important for, us here in russia, that the world here's lauding clear that this is not russia's war. this is not a war by the russian people or the people of ukraine. this is a military pride by this aggressive, an elective, unaccountable. and, yes increasingly deranged

dictator by the name of vladimir putin. he does not speak. for us >> then, it is put into. but is there ever a scenario where you see putin negotiating or retreat? or is his only move to double down? >> you know, a couple of days ago, we marked the seventh anniversary of the -- former in opposition to the foreign aggression of the putin regime. a lot of people here have been re-reading the interviews and quotes from him. we know that he was gunned down literally from the kremlin in february of 2015. and so many people have been re-reading quotes and interviews about the war on ukraine, which of course as we all know, mr. putin started back in 2014. it's just an escalation war that we are seeing. won a massive, one button escalation. one and one of the most

striking phrases that i reroute myself from him just a couple of days ago was that this man, putin, he's a mad man. you cannot analyze him using sort of normal human logic. using normal human. you've heard him, essentially threaten the use of nuclear weapons in the last few days. it is dangerous. there is a reason most democratic countries have -- for their leaders. but because it's not okay to stay in power for that. long you start losing sense of reality. you start living in your own bubble. >> but to that point, take us inside the. said i want to show an image of putin earlier today. sitting at the most ridiculous table. yes, we hear all about his covid concerns. but that is not social distancing. that is not six feet. he is sitting miles away from the rest of the people at the table. what does that tell you about his level of concern or paranoia? not necessarily of covid, but one might say he is worried that those guys are going to turn on him.

>> absolutely. forget about covid. this man is paranoid. this man doesn't go into a restaurant without five bodyguards around. him people are laughing about it here. well, again, this is what happens when you stay in power, not just empower, but also don't forget the first thing that vladimir putin did when he came to power decades ago was to dismantle the imperfect, nevertheless, real democratic institutions that we have here in russia, back in the 90s. he shut down the independent media channels. he objected the opposition from parliament. he did so on and so forth. there are no checks and balances. up there is most feedback for society. so when you have the sort of closed system led by and, frankly, aging dictator at the top, when most people around actually hit each other like spiders ajar, then paranoia is almost unavoidable. and yes, these images, initially, they put sort of a

writeoff on covid. i think everybody has really seen through it. this is nothing to do with covid. this is paranoia. he is afraid. and you know i think he may have reasonable grounds to think that not everybody in his own entourage it has a suicide wish. and is ready for new color work as he entered that just a couple of days ago. this is crazy. and you know, just as i mentioned earlier that domestic oppression external aggression usually go hand in hand in russia. now, this is not only about restoring peace in the middle of your but it is also about saving our own country. saving. russia from this paranoid, dangerous strongman. >> those are not covid precautions. vladimir kara-murza, thank you for joining us this evening. this morning to. you i appreciated. >> coming up. there is conventional warfare and their cyber warfare. and that battleground could quickly erupt here at home and

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sanctions on russia, banked in this country are bracing for russian retaliation? but what about the rest of. us clint watts is a former fbi special agent and a distinguish research fellow at the foreign policy research institute. clint, i brought to her because we need your help. we keep hearing about these potential cyberattacks. people like you and me, we don't have cybersecurity form something that. for those at home, what do we do to prepare? >> so, big things stephanie is don't use a simple password that's very common. >> no one, two, 34. >> no. no one, two, three for. second part. do you factor authentication. which is essentially putting in your phone number. use an authentic interceptor. when you log in, it sends a text message. that way you can confirm that

it's. you put it in. their next, backup your data. people think that they back up their data, they say they're gonna do it, they never do. it and that comes to updating software as well. all of those apps you have on your phone, that have all those updates, if you put them off, you're putting yourself at risk. each one of those of this is patching a vulnerability that has already been used back into somebody's computer. and the big thing is trust. we always say, okay i got this email from someone who doesn't seem quite right, i got a lincoln, it should i click on? and the simple answer is, no. send a text message. call. them ask them if they really sent. that in the last part is when you get those weird emails that look like a ups or irs notification, go up to the top and click at the centers. and what you will see, oftentimes, is that this from a phishing email address. it will be some courtesy address. oftentimes from overseas. so, those are all techniques that we can use. an old people, listen to young people and young people about the old. people >> i like. that if you need help. ask for.

it and if you can get help, please give it. well, you certainly give us help tonight. clint watts, thank you so much. but before i leave you, let's take a moment to honor ukrainian president, sullen ski. if you don't know much about him, listen up. the 44 year old comedian turned politician is being praised around the world right now for his leadership and courage. and for refusing to leave his country. zelenskyy was born to a jewish family in central ukraine. he went from playing an unlikely president on a popular tv show, an actor, to getting elected ukraine's real president with 73% of the votes. in over the weekend, another part of his unconventional background went viral. the part where he won ukraine's version of dancing with the stars in 2006. take a look. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ >> zelenskyy. the guy who won the election.

he won by saying, you don't need experience to be president. you just need to be a decent human being. so with that, we see goodnight on a good note. and my sincere thanks to you for giving me this opportunity. i am nervous and grateful for your patience and for your decency. that is our broadcast for this monday evening from all of us at nbc news, thank you for the privilege of your time. i am stephanie role, our special coverage of the crisis in ukraine continues right after this. ukraine continues right i scheduled with safelite autoglass. after this their experts replaced my windshield ♪ acoustic rock music ♪ >> woman: safelite is the one i trust. they focus on safety so i can focus on this view. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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