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good morning, from msnbc. world headquarters in new york. i am joe fryer. we begin this morning with msnbc up to the our coverage of russia's invasion of ukraine instate six of the invasion. it is currently 9 am in the capital city of. keep first talks between ukraine and russia aimed at curbing the invasion ended with a little progress in no cease fire. ukrainian officials say a residential area in kharkiv, the nation's second largest
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city's abstain heavy shelling. including possible russian use of cluster bombs. now, the international criminal court will open an investigation to the possible war crimes by russia. satellite images for american intelligence show and nearly 40 mile convoy of russian tanks and vehicles which the pentagon says it's just about 16 miles outside of kyiv. but for now, ukrainians are maintaining their stiff resistance. leading some u.s. intelligence agencies to worry an increasingly frustrating and volatile vladimir putin. as the only way forward -- all this, as the president global rejection of putin's military aggression tends to turn rushes economy into a total freefall. we return to our foreign correspondent, raf sanchez, who is live for us in moscow. so, raf, bring us up to speed to what's happening in moscow. how are russians dealing with the impact of the west sweeping sanctions? are they already being felt? >> they are being felt.
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i'll give you a couple of examples. moscow has this beautiful world famous subway system. and folks here often use their phones to pay the turnstile. but people are finding that google pay, apple pay, they are not working. because banks have been sanctioned by the west. and those apps are no longer functional. i was in my hotel room in moscow the other day, i got a call from the front desk and they asked me to come downstairs and paid the bill early. because they are not sure if credit cards are going to continue working in this country. now, so far, we haven't seen major runs on bank. but i will tell you, people here in moscow are terrified. because they are watching the value of the ruble, the russian currency, basically collapsed in front of their eyes. one ruble is now worth less than a scent for the first time. and middle class, ordinary russians who have nothing to do
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with vladimir putin's four, are terrified that their savings are about to be wiped out as the currency collapses. and as inflation kicks. and now, vladimir putin summit an emergency meeting of his economic advisers rests -- yesterday. they are appealing for calm. they did hide in the interest rates. but the reality is, putin has pretty few options in terms of shielding his economy from these unexpectedly strong western sanctions. since 2014, he's been building a financial worse chester for the currency reserves that were designed for the situation. to prop up the rubble in the advance of russian sanctions. but these sanctions are soul in reaching that the government isn't able to access a lot of that war chest. so, their hands are tied right now. they are trying to tell the russian people to stay calm. but people are looking around to what is happening to the ruble right now. and there is real fear.
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>> so, raf, we know we've been seeing protests in russia. more than 6000 people have been arrested so far for protesting putin's invasion. give us a sense, how widespread are these protests. and what do they pose to the kremlin's narrative of this conflict? because we know that narrative is so important to putin. that narrative is so important, and these protests are a challenge. so they're begun up that russian state media has been forced to acknowledge them. they have been happening in dozens of cities across russia over the last couple of weeks. as you said, 6000 peaceful have been. arrested and joe people near the risk that they were taking. when they were not on the street to protests. they were risking a police night stick to the face. risking prosecution. and it is a sign of how strongly people feel that they knew the risk and they went out and took them anyway. as you said, the narrative here is really important. the russian government has been censoring russian media
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outlets. they sort of referred to what's going on in ukraine as a war, as an attack, as an invasion. the russian governments prefer the term as special military operation. and they are censoring russian outlets who deviate from that. we have seen crackdowns on social media over the last couple of days. -- has been operating on an absolutely sluggish space -- pace. they ordered facebook the takedown narrative that they disagree with. so, right now the russian people are getting a very select view from state media. but they know that there's more out there. and one of the big questions here in moscow that's not being answered by state media is how many russian service members have been killed so far. those in vladimir putin's war. because that is not being reported in the state media. no official numbers are being given by the russian government. and there are a lot of very worried parents, joe.
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they know that their sons are somewhere in ukraine today. and they're deeply fearful about what's going. on joe? >> raf sanchez with a look at what's happening inside moscow. thank you very much. let's head over to nbc news correspondent, ellison barber, she's live at the border crossing in. pullen ellison, paint a picture of what's things i like where you are this morning. how are the ukrainian of refugees? how are they doing? >> it's a terrible situation. i mean, there is no way to say it other than. that most of, us we are very lucky that we cannot even imagine being in a situation like this. we just watched this couple pick up a woman who crossed with just one small bit of luggage there. now, she's waiting to cross through the border to go back. or at least, crossed of the checkpoint to turn around to head back into paul. and you look over here and you see this orange tent. this is one of the areas where people particularly those who are crossing into pull in from ukraine on foot, are able to
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wade inside so that they could stay warm until they have a ride. or some second location to go to. it is brutally -- brutally cold out here. and additionally with the emotional trauma even physical trauma of so many people have experienced leaving their home, they are also dealing with dangerously cold temperatures. we have talked to a lot of mothers, a lot of parents who described being so worried about their children safety. when they were in ukraine and still on the journey here because of these cold temperatures. you look over here, and there are more tense. there are more places for people to try and get a little bit of warmth. because most people are spending days trying to get across the border. and this border crossing, the average wait time to get from poland to here, is 24 hours. you look over here and you can see some of what local polls are doing. they are bringing just, tons and tons of goods to help people. they're loading it onto buses.
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some of the buses have been going back and forth into ukraine. taking the supplies to people that are waiting on the other side of the border. we watch this morning as a man at crossed -- or his wife rather, had crossed. and he was already in poland. their child, a young toddler was here. they picked up diapers to pick up in the card for where they had to go to next. you see over here, some of this help, this is not overly organized help by the way. a lot of this really is just local communities. local community members who have decided to come out and tried to help. most of these signs that you see, they often have the names of other cities. it is people coming here saying, hey, i have two seats in my car. i have three if you need to read to this location. i can help. you because for a lot of people, they cross through here and they tell us they have no idea what they are going to do or where they're going to go next. joe? >> ellison barber, incredible
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view of what's happening there at the border and all the help that sporting. in a knot with everything that the families are dealing. with alison, thank you so much for your report. i want to check in now with jack crosby. msnbc news contributor and reporter for the rolling stones. threatening a bomb shelter in ukraine. jack, tell us more about where exactly you are and recap about hala's night went for. you i know you had some traumatic tense moments over the last several hours. >> yes. sorry. i just made it back up to my room. i'm sort of in between getting notified about this call. so we were woken up at around 8:30 this morning, i think. therefore, a fire alarm in the hotel. i think it was just the alarm system that they're using to evacuate everyone to the bomb shelter below. i am in ukraine at the moment. so far, the fighting has not reached in the way of ground forces. but there have been areas here where the city is so very much on edge.
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there are sirens multiple times a day. yesterday afternoon, yesterday after morning from the city of kharkiv ukraine which is the side of some of the fiercest findings right now as the russian forces tend to take that city and hit drastically escalated in the campaign to do so and conducting indiscriminate attacks with extremely destructive weapon systems on civilian areas. >> i know you told katie yesterday that one show you estimated landed more than 300 meters away from. you describe some of what you are seeing. and how people there, where you are and in kharkiv are handling this right now. >> yes. i mean, in kharkiv where i was, we have been hearing shelling and traveling back and forth from the hotel there are bombshell tours in our rooms for basically the duration of the war. it has been shelling interment.
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yesterday was the closest it had come to our position. but the vast majority, the damage what i want to keep the focus on has been the outskirts of the city. the other line area of the city. and particularly, the civilian areas have come under russian attack. we saw, yesterday, shortly after i had left the city just because the security situation had deteriorated so much. my team felt that it wasn't safe. shortly after, there were attacks using multi launch systems that we saw hitting apartment complexes and other buildings in civilian areas on the outskirts of kharkiv. and i know that these are going to be investigated as part of a wider campaign into russian forces conduct during this war. it appears that the risks for civilians in kharkiv and in ukraine's major cities have dramatically escalated in the
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past hours. and it may continue to escalate. >> i mean, jack, real quickly with that escalating, what are you keeping an eye on for today? what are you expecting to happen next? >> so, the thing, is where i am in my current location in dnipro, we are looking to see if there's going to be any long range missiles attack on the city. we want to see if the russian federation is going to start using the brunt of its air power to conduct air raids throughout this region. as you can see on the map there de niro is a little waste from the contact lines with russian forces. but there are still military accessing kyiv that i think residents are really worried could be at risk. and they're very, we're because of the location of dnipro on the river it has a significance that if the russian advance continues it will make it to them at some point. so, just watching those troop
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positions and seeing how long of a window we have before things here start to look like things in some of the cities that are actively being besieged. >> jack crosby, please stay safe. thank you so much for taking some time to join us. these overnight hours now little after 9 am where you. are taking. >> thanks. >> as president putin pushes into the ukraine escalating sanctions also in greece, now, the consequences are going to be on the banks. we've got that next. e got th natext. or college, my dad has gotten back into some of his old hobbies. and now he's taking trulicity, and it looks like he's gotten into some new healthier habits, too. what changes are you making for your type 2 diabetes? maybe it's time to try trulicity. it's proven to help lower a1c. it can help you lose up to 10 pounds. and it's only taken once a week, so it can fit into your busy life. trulicity is for type 2 diabetes. it isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. it's not approved for use in children. don't take trulicity if you're allergic to it, you or your family have medullary thyroid cancer,
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already slamming the russian economy. russian players are barred from
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flying over the airspace right now. even the sports world is seeking to isolate russia. the first splendid russia meant team from going into the world cup. the international olympic committee recommended that russia and athletes from belarus be barred from olympic events. joining me now is noah haines, director of women color an advance of peace and security and the editor at large at newsweek. thank you both. also the author of how to catch a russian spy. i know, i'm going to start with. you the sanctions, just help us understand how big is the hit to the russian economy right now? >> it's a really big. did you know, i don't think anyone had on air that germany was going to completely erase 80 years of anti military foreign policy. and that switzerland was going to come off the neutral button and actually participate in sanctioning russia. so, across the board it is a huge hit and especially putin himself being sanctioned.
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which is something that never happens in terms of a leader being personally sanctioned. however, i do want to say that we are in early days. and there's going to be a lot of talk about the brick system which is another payment system that is supposed to counter the swiss system that russia is no longer participating in. so we are going to hear a lot of rhetoric about the sanctions not mattering. how they've never mattered. but, unfortunately the russian people are going to fill the bumped of. it especially at the dinner table. it's going to reverberate around the world. so it's definitely going to be. felt >> no, veto as she mentioned. switzerland is not even sitting this one out closing its airspace the russian planes freezing russian assets. did putin underestimate the global response. and could all of these sanctions, all of these actions, actually stopped him or have any impact on his thinking? >> so, no, clearly he did not
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expect this to happen. but it is unlikely. putin is going into ukraine and willing to pay the cost of whatever is going to come out. i don't think he's going to achieve those goals. he might take kharkiv, he might take. key but the idea of actually dominating and humiliating ukrainian people which is something he craves, it's not going to happen. when it comes to the economy when it comes to sanctions and going after him personally, you know, let's be clear, these sanctions are meant to be an indirect pain for putin. which means that it's meant to make the people around him. suffered the circle that surrounds him, and really, that's the thing when he's going to start feeling pressure. the people around him can't make money. they are certainly going to work at putin and wonder if he's going to stay where he is. so the big question here is really, is this the beginning of the end for putin. and this really may have been a massive miscalculation on his part that may in fact have an impact for years to come on him personally. >> no, what russia is even
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getting banned from your vision. you're hearing about movies not that won't be released in russia. it's an uncommon isolation, but now we're talking about this cultural isolation. the sticks of that seem small than what we see compared to a military invasion right. not but can there be an impact with this cultural isolation? >> absolutely. the psychological impact. imagine if americans didn't have football? they were, locked out of football for whatever reason. sports, it really does resonate with the people. and again, these rounds of sanctions i don't know and care what people in our country may say, this will have an impact. because one of the key differences with the sets of sanctions is that many of them went into immediate effect. sanctions, specifically, take a long time. especially to be felt within the economy. but the way that the sanctions were ruled. out they were very strategic to
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hit at specific times and to impact immediately. so, coupled with the economic fallout and with this kind of psychological isolation of the russian people being frozen out of competing and letting go and celebrating and all of the things that sports do, this is going back to cold war years. where the ussr, where russia was just kept out of everything. and the russian people, the last 20 years or so, have been entering a certain type of lifestyle. and no one wants to return to what it was before. ukrainians do not want to be part of russia. and russia does not want to revert to 20, 30 years ago. so, keeping the athletes and the country away from sportsmanship and nationalism, that is going to have a huge psychological impact. >> now feet, is there an off ramp for putin at this point? and what are the chances that he would never even take one if he had one?
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>> there is always an off ramp. i think that in this case, you know, putting clearly has his tactical goals of kharkiv and kyiv. and it's very hard to imagine that he's not going to leave ukraine with nothing. but at this point, it also seems almost impossible to imagine that he's going to be able to take think our country. just not physically possible. but that doesn't mean he's not going to take them. so, it's not an offer? is that some face saving measure that putin can say he won the military campaign and pulled out. i think they're probably. as that's probably the offer. i don't think sanctions are going to affect putin short-term. they were certainly have an impact on him long term. but they occurred -- i don't think sanctions are going to cinch his calculus. he's going to look for some short term military goals so that he can declare victory and probably punch out of ukraine. and that is probably the best we can hope.
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for >> nola haynes, we see all the sanctions laid. what is next? what do you want to see as far as something that could have an impact on russia? >> what is next. what's next is de-escalation, let's keep in mind that there is a race new color threat. and that is something that, you know, we should definitely keep an eye on in the escalation right now, to my, mind is the most important thing. many people did not think in the kind of construct of traditional international relationships when we think about rational actors. they did not think that putin would invade ukraine. and several days later, well, actually the same day you know he did this threat of a new killer threat and he goes on in. so at this point, we are not really fully understanding where he is in terms of what he's willing to do. he clearly proved that he is willing to go far and beyond. so, this threat right now is the most important thing to pay
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attention to. and i am talking to a friend today, i cannot remember the last time americans had to even worry about a new color threat. who was actually prepared for a new color. threat so, the escalation right now is where we need to keep our eyes on. and i agree with naveed. the off ramp, no one will probably be happy with the outcome. but the goal is to de-escalate and to save lives. and needs to save face at this point. nola haynes and naveed jamal. it thank you for joining us. we really do appreciate. it just days into this conflict, russians are already paying the price for putin's invasion of ukraine, more on how the kremlin is reacting. that's ahead. that's ahead
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comes just one biden deliver the speech tonight. so, what is its mention to the american people about this crisis? joining me now is nbc's julie adjuster. good to see my. friends tell, us what do we know about the message for the american people tonight? this is going to be a touch speech to. give i'm sure he would love to talk about the domestic agenda. but he's got a battle happening overseas. so what do we know what he's expected to? say >> good morning joe. you are absolutely. right it is a balancing act for president. biden and white house advisers tell our white house unit that they are revising the speech to meet the moment. this is a hugely consequential
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foreign spot, foreign policy speech. i'm press secretary jen psaki tell my colleagues, peter alexander on monday that president biden will make it clear that american voices will not go on the ground in ukraine and fight a military war against russia. and it is vitally important for him to be clear about that. with the american people, that being, said he will also highlight the unified response by the united states and our allies in confronting vladimir putin that the u.s. and nato have been in lockstep every step of the way. so, he hopes to present that unifying message. joe? >> you, know folks who are watching at home are going to be worried about gas prices, energy costs, so as we, know is president biden going to adjust? what's going to say about possible economic crisis with what's happening in ukraine. >> absolutely.
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it's all connected. all related. and president -- gem psaki said she will be using the word inflation. but he will also have optimism for the american people and the plan for the administration to tackle costs. president biden came into the office kind of an empathize or-in-chief. so he is going to relate to the american people. recognize their struggle. addressing calls. but also note that under his administration, there has been record economic growth and recovery. and trying to explain to the american people that with the build back better items that his administration wants to put forward, even if he puts it, here that he has a plan to lower cost whether it is prescription drug costs or health care costs. it is all interconnected. so, he plans to use this opportunity to connect what is going on in eastern europe with the prices that americans are seeing at the pump, at the
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grocery store. and really explain to them that the administration is working towards lowering all those prices for the american people. >> julia jester in washington, head of the president's state of the union speech. julia, thank you so much. not, russia is already feeling the effects of the hard-hitting sanctions imposed by the u.s. and its allies. the currency fell nearly 30% on monday after russia's big banks was cut from the swift payment. now, russians lineup at atms to withdraw their money to buy groceries and goods as the shortages increase. joining me now a special correspondent for the australian financial review. can you give us a sense how are the sanctions so far impacting every day russian citizen so far? >> good day mate. the pressure is building on vladimir putin and russia, so last week it has been all about russia and ukraine's defense for the invasion. the pressure to shoot back up to putin and russia. you're seeing for the reports
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on russia -- what's putting us done, through his, actions is that he's encouraged the role to. unite the world is now united he's turned his country to one man panic. group but i think the real lead in the crashing of the rubble, you has seen them go from 20% to 10% as a try to take capital and investment talks around the world. but i think the real interesting thing is what are the [inaudible] going to do. you may recognize the name, he is an nfl team in the united states. he came outside -- they are getting sanctions as well. their money is getting. frozen and they like the european lifestyle. crimea in the summertime, it's as great a place as the french riviera. the russian schools are not as
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good as the british province. school so they are the ones that are gonna feel. this and they're the ones who are going to be watching very closely putting pressure on putin to act and to withdraw. so that is the critical piece here. the ukrainians, through the defense of the last week and time, every, hour every day they can hold off the russian army is an important one. because it has a will to turn up the pressure on putin. >> yes misha zelinsky, is it the oligarchs. are they the ones that could actually have some influence on him? >> i think that's right, i mean, effectively they are run by a couple of thousand people. it's a kleptocracy as we. no they are happy to let putin do things as they know. as long as that means that they could continue to pillage the world of russia. but not that's all stopped. the swiss accounts are frozen. the money in london is frozen. the russians economy is being targeted now by u.s. sanctions. they're being tied by passport
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benton travel bans for the old guard so. they're going to be saying to putin, hey, we want to live our. lives you promised up a quick victory. we're going to have president-elect ski marched on the roads of kyiv. but this hasn't happened. the ukrainians have felt like demons. they rallied to their president. they are taking up arms in the street. they are digging for the fight of their lives. so the pressure is not on russia. what are they going to do? yesterday, you didn't even have the guts to open the stock exchange. because he knew it would've created -- the russian economy is actually in dire straits. yes, the oligarchs our affiliate. but sore ordinary russians. we are already seeing protests there, huge protests in the streets of peds. but not that there is no food and no panic and no cash. >> yes, you talked about the panic that you're hearing at the top of the hour, even raf sanchez. the small impact that people are feeling. they can't get into the subway.
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if this economic turmoil continues, do you expect to see even more protests in russia against putin and against this invasion? >> well, protests are inevitable. people already have the guts to get out to protest against the invasion itself. , now imagine what ordinary russians are feeling when they aren't able to cash out at the atm. they can't take the subway, they can't go about their. lies they're going to be asking themselves what is vladimir putin delivered this. hear their promises the world. he's on a psychotic vendetta to try and restore some sort of ancient russian empire. and he believes that he's the sovereign empire owner of every russian-speaking person. ordinary russians want to get about their lives. just like ordinary ukrainians. to everyone wants to live their lives in peace. this is a one-man cycle mission. and really, it's up to the world to continue to build pressure on him. it's up to ordinary russians to
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get up in protest. but the pressure is building. and hopefully, we can see a peaceful resolution in the coming days. in more less collapsed overnight, but as long as the pressure, bills as long as the country -- >> these harsh sanctions. what do they mean a long term? in the long run, for economics? >> well, russia's economy is already a potential state. under, putin they have lost enormous amounts of the investment. so this is only going to hurt them even more. there is this going around the half of russia's worth has been squandered overseas. so, all of the capital that is not being reversed, is not frozen. they are seeing around the world, investment funds making seizure to freeze russian investments to disinvest from russia. so, ultimately, it's a global economy. putin under the authority or herself on in some sort of new panic room.
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but he hasn't. the global economy is giving him a reality check. and if they're not giving capital they have got reserves at the moment due to the high oil and gas prices. but, he can't live his oil and gas economy. it's a tragedy for russia. they are not enormous -- and it's been ruined by one men over 20. years in the short, term in the medium term, the science aren't good. but if russia takes less of the given here and returned to the world economy and global society than russia's potential is huge. >> misha zelinsky, in ukraine. thank you for joining us and giving your reporting. we really do appreciate. it >> yes, thank you so much. cheers. >> up next, americans with family living in your crane are showing their loved ones experiences on social media. we will talk with two families separated by thousands of miles. stay with us. stay with us
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russian president, vladimir putin, and his military are attacking ukraine on the ground. but russian forces are also propagating a disinformation or online. trying to manipulate narrative about ukraine. social media giants, facebook and twitter, are trying to stop the spread. but what does this hybrid warfare it look like online? nbc's joe link can't, has the. story >> these are faces of the russian propaganda effort. irena and vladimir appeared to be journalists. except, they're not real. people they are images computer generated to create fake social media accounts targeting ukrainians on facebook and instagram. they are part of two pro russian covert influence operations. disclosed by twitter and meta, facebook's parent company. >> these actors, what they're trying to do, is to undermine trust in the ukrainian government. justice the war is going very poorly for ukraine. or to praise the work of
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russian actors. >> medicines that 40 of these fake profilers, pages and groups were taken down over the weekend. twitter tells nbc news it permanently bans similar accounts. facebook also reveals a separate hacking campaign linked to belarus. targeting real ukrainian military members. public officials and journalists. are facebook and instagram you visitors safe as this invasion continues? >> i think everyone needs to take steps to make sure that they're safe online. we are taking every step that we can to make sure our users on our platform are. seek >> medicine, as it doesn't know how long these users have been active. but believe the group has been active to other trolls who spread misinformation about the 2020 u.s. presidential election and the covid vaccine. despite tech giants taking action, bad actors often work across platforms. like this account called, ukraine today. removed by facebook. but still active on google. use google did not respond to our requests for comment.
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>> challenges, all the, time they do not look for what they're looking. for the only way to figure that out is a public private partnership. social media is working with government to figure out who is really part of it. >> our thanks to juuling kent for that report. up next, americans of families living in your crane sharing their loved ones experiences on social media. we will be joined by two families separated by thousands of miles. stay with us. stay with us
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many ukrainians of the united states are relying on social media to get the latest updates on their family back in ukraine. joining me now is one of those families. separated by thousands of miles and war. kobilinsky currently live in charlotte -- they have been posting for their friends and family's back in ukraine. also joining us, their cousins and aunt, polish ottawa who
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currently live in kyiv. thank you all for joining us. i'll start with you, how do you describe what it's been like for you? here in the united states, watching with their friends and family are going through overseas. >> i think that it's been something that you can't really prepare yourself for. you never really expect herself to be in that situation. you feel extremely helpless you definitely feel extremely terrified when you get text like, hey, there's a huge bomb coming. can you play for. us you kind of don't really know what to do our families have been pacing all day long, back and forth, we can't do anything, we can't work we just don't. iphones so -- >> practically focused on how to help them. like we said. we're helpless and were resorting to prayer. thinking about how we can be mindful of them.
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how we can be thankful of, them concerned about their. needs doing everything we can. which is to share what is happening in ukraine. >> i mean, how powerful of a tool is social media for you right now? what does it help you accomplish? >> it is literally bringing us to tears. we have a friend who is currently pregnant and in labor. and that is one of the worst cities to be in. we are just sending hard these messages that literally thousands of people are messaging on instagram. and i'm sending them to her in the midst of running to a bomb shelter law and labor. she is so encouraged. because they're literally thousands of people praying for her. and a lot of people have been reaching out and saying, hey, i had no idea this was happening. another huge thing is that they responded to our instagram as well. people in poland and romania are reaching out and saying that we have a place.
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they want us to know if anyone crossing the border. we want to send our names and addresses just to help people across the border into the neighboring countries. timothy >> i want to ask you. how are you doing right now? >> fine. . sorry can i speak in my language and translate to english? because my english is very bad. >> yes, just give us a description here and then inna kovalinskiy can translate. tell us why you're in ukraine, why you're staying in ukraine right now. >> [interpreter]
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>> can you let us know what he's telling us here? >> unofficially, he just responded saying that he was describing why he chose to speak russian. i clarified that he should share why they remained in kyiv and what they're doing there. so now he's going to respond. >> and if you want to chime in every few seconds to let us know what he's saying, let us, no thank you so much. >> [interpreter] >> he says he doesn't want to leave the people you love. he doesn't want to leave his neighbors.
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[interpreter] >> a lot of her friends did take up arms to protect the country. [interpreter] >> and because of my position, i couldn't take up arms but i am protecting our founding. keith and i'm committed to a local church where we are still having church as a support. >> [interpreter] >> the last piece was,
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grandma's 90 years old. and because it's hard to travel, we decide to stay home with her. >> we are thinking of both of. you inna kovalinskiy and vitaliy kovalinskiy, what is your hope moving forward? >> we hope that this. and honestly, just to see these people fighting, to see them literally every day civilians going out there who have never shot a gun before. going out and protecting their homeland, that hope is definitely, i think, fragile. and i think that what we are hoping for is that all of this. and but we are definitely hoping that they remain strong, encouraged. and that they don't give up. because it is very easy when you're faced with the opposition that they are face to. it >> is everyone you are hearing from now safe? >> no. >> no. >> we are hearing that there is a mob that has a child who hasn't eaten in days in kyiv.
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and there are people posting hoping that somebody would read it and help. well, it's not even. that i think it's also that people are getting their homes shut out right now. they are hunkering inside of their homes. and troops are coming through. so no, they are not safe. they're alive. but i wouldn't say they're safe. >> as you share everything that you are hearing on social media, what do you want people who see on social media, what do you want them to know about how they can help. now >> i think, honestly, spreading the word, there is a lot of misinformation out there. which i think it's very, very painful to the ukrainian people. they are the victims. they are the ones who are hurting. so, i think at this point just spreading the word and also being open to when legitimate fund-raisers are up, people can then donate. but right, now i think even
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reaching out to fellow retrain your neighbors, and russian neighbors against this war, reaching out to everyone you, know encouraging them i think that is huge. >> inna kovalinskiy and vitaliy kovalinskiy, what is your metric to them right. now >> we love. you were praying for you. we're not going to give up. >> and, timothy, how are you feeling right now? what is your message to inna kovalinskiy and vitaliy kovalinskiy? >> [interpreter] >> they are very thankful. they're really thankful for our prayers and our commitment. they are giving thanks to the present peoples person the spirit of never giving up.
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enough ethan. got >> did you have something else to add? >> [interpreter] >> we are very thankful for the care that you have shown. i am going to quickly just
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translate the meaning -- in the midst of the turmoil on the difficulty that we are experiencing in the country, your prayers and your car have gotten us through it all ultimately. we help us set our mind for the lawyer that has cared for us and trust in. us >> all, right our thanks to inna kovalinskiy, vitaliy kovalinskiy, and poly job cut. we are thinking of all of you. please keep us updated on everything that is happening with the. we are thinking of you and your families. >> thank you so much. >> keeping it here as we continue our special. we have live coverage of the russian invasion in ukraine. sion in ukraine.
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another hour of msnbc's ongoing coverage of the russian invasion, i am joe fryer, it's 3 am here in new york and 10 am in kyiv. ukrainian defense forces embark on day six of an unexpected resistance the husband spire the world. just a few hours, poland's prime minister will meet with the president of the european commission to discuss his support of the admission into the eu. this comes on the heels, monday's talks between ukraine and russia which ended with no progress, no cease-fire. and then when ukrainians say it was heavy shelling and their second largest city of kharkiv for the use of clustered

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