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in ukraine or should try to leave? >> it's his judgement to make and we're doing everything we can. >> they're over 2,000 civilians. here they are. >> on tuesday, the president leading a joint session of congress to rally behind ukraine, including a standing ovation for ukraine's ambassador to the united states. an emotional moment. and the promise of more sanctions against vladimir putin. >> he badly miscalculated. he thought he could roll into ukraine and the world would roll over. instead, he bhet a wall of strength he never imagined. he met the ukrainian people. >> even as the president was speaking, the ukrainian military was taking the fight to russian troops and the assault on kharkiv continues. the big concern for the zelenskyy government is still that convoy carrying tanks and heavy weaponry.
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the russian advance slowed due to food shortages and there's a growing refugee crisis along ukraine's western border. hundreds of thousands fleeing the violence. none of them have any way of knowing when or if it will ever be safe to return home. we haven't heard any reaction from vladimir putin to president biden's remarks yet. we don't know if his level of frustration of the military convoy seems to be having. >> that's right. we've heard from president putin after the state of the union and he referenced the claim that russia's being shaped by the sanctions and says it is hard but that russia will remain on its feet and repeated those points to be heard previously
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from the russian government that we planned for this. we eare getting news, some new numbers from the russian ministry of defense. numbers that, because it is from the russian ministry of defense, we veto regard with a little cynicism but still, they're claiming there are 2,870 -- that they've killed 2,870 ukrainians, thousands wounded and go on in detail to talk about 47 planes that have been destroyed. 13 in the air. 484 tanks, 47 drones. what's interesting is to hear that the russians talk about the number of dead and wounded on the russian side. the ministry of defense admitting that casualties. they are now saying 498 russians have been killed. and 1,597 have been wounded.
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i think we can assume the russians will be underestimating that. possibly overestimating the number of casualties on the ukrainian side. and it's very, very difficult to do anything other than repeat these numbers with the caveat that i just laid out. and meanwhile, the russians were saying through the day, andrea, that they were ready for negotiations. we've heard from ukrainians that they too are ready to have new contacts. and the russians saying that a ceasefire will be discussed. i think the same rules apply to that. a little cynicism to be regarded towards that idea that the russians might agree to a ceasefire but we shall see. >> and we didn't even discuss the other day. there's reporting out of kharkiv that there are terrible civilian casualties. don't know if you've heard that
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from your listening posts. but we're hearing terrible reports. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. the kharkiv second city in ukraine and one of the really traumatizing and disturbing aspects is kharkiv is a city with a large population of russian speaking people with russian heritage, if you like. it's stunning to see the russians unleash that kind of indiscriminate attack on that city. is that what they have planned for kyiv? they certainly are making more progress, it looks like in the south. cutting ukrainians off from the sea and that will be a key strategic goal for the russians. but i do think that those casualties are something that the kremlin will not want the russians to know about.
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and i think that goes to explain why we've heard in the past 24 hours thats they stopped broadcasting from independent radio station and of an independent television station and threatened wikipedia that it will get taken down. >> kier simmons in moscow, thank you. and lisa monaco is a deputy attorney general who joins us right now. on how the task force plans to track down russian oligarchs, who have been altmost impossible to find. this is a huge task. we know we've been promise today there would be a larger crackdown on russian oligarchs. but these oligarchs have spent decades making sure their asset purchases don't put them in violation of laws in the u.s. and other countries. so, how do your prosecutors do this when there are so many legal hoops to jump through to
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get to the assets they're so well sheltered? >> first of all, thanks so much for having me. what you're seeing from the task force is a commitment. the president spoke to this last night. a commitment to go after russian oligarchs, after putin's cronies, who are seeking to hide criminal proceeds in these luxury items. i'm really struck that i can't help -- i don't think anybody can help but be moved and really appalled at the images coming out of ukraine, some of which you've been showing. people are dying. buildings are being bombed all because of a senseless act of unprovoked aggression by putin and russia. and while that's happening, you have the oligarchs, who have amassed billions in corrupt proceeds, who will seek to -- if they seek to invade new
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sanctions that we're putting together with our international allies. if they seek to do so and we trace those moneys to luxury yachts, jets, luxury apartments, that cannot stand. and that's the commitment you're seeing from this task force. what we're doing is bringing together experts in money laundering, anticorruption, sanctions enforcement. agents and analysts all coming together, putting their expertise together to trace this -- these moneys. to first freeze, based on new sanctions being put in place and then seize, using all of our authorities and all of our tools to make sure that these alt -- oligarchs, cronies cannot invade our sanctions and profit while people are dying in the ukraine. >> prosecutors are telling us that, under u.s. law, you have
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to have an underlying crime before a judge will approve a seizure. how do you find that underlying crime if it's so hard to find out who even owns these assets and then you have to find the crime and go to the judge. isn't this incredibly difficult? do you need changing the law? >> we've got tools and authorities to use. first, you have the sanctions tools thats allow us to freeze the asts and you're quite right. if we can chase proceeds to things like evading sanctions. they give us a hook, a tool if you're seeking to evade sanctions to hide assets. weesk got experts, prosecutors who have a long history of being able to trace proceeds. you've seen us do it in new and cutting edge ways just last week. i announced the largest
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financial seizure of cryptocurrency, of bitcoin in the history of the department's history. so, we're using new tools, techniques. bringing expertise to bear every day and we'll do it here as well. >> is treasury going to announce new sanctions? >> i think what's you've seen is the government working with our allies. our government with our allies. a whole host of sanctions that have been unprecedented. i think you'll continue to see things moving out. i don't have anything to announce on that. but we're working with the treasury department, with the department of homeland security on this task force. you're going to see irs agents, fbi, the marshal service all pooling efforts to run this task force, which will be run out of my office in the justice department. we've got a seasoned and veteran anticorruption prosecutor who's going to lead it. we've got leadership and deputies from the national
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security and criminal side. a doesen prosecutors all coming toorgts to work across our government and with our international partners to use these sanctions, use our other tools to go after these corrupt proceeds and make sure that they can't benefit, again, while this unprovoked aggression is going on in ukraine. >> do you have any agreement with the brits? boris johnson's been under real fire in the u.k. where the russian oligarchs have been investing in wealthy properties and the british government is profiting from this, clearly. and they've had all these people buying up london real estate. >> what you've seen -- and this was announced over the weekend. an international task force that is coming toorgts with our allies to do -- to coordinate on our sanctions enforcement.
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just last week i met with the mome secretary from the u.k. and other allies nations from the so-called five eyes. canada, new zealand, all coming together to put our resources together and say how can we can go after these eproceeds? how can we isolate russia further? we've seenen an precedented amount of work together. that's to isolate russia, to isolate those elites who seek to bolster the russian regime and that's what you're seeing happening with this task force that the president announced last night and that we've announced today. >> the deputy attorney general, thank you very much. so, let's go to ukraine and mclachlan. the situation on the ground is changing so rapidly across
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multiple areas in the country. we're at the heaviest fighting and hearing troubling news from kharkiv. >> reporter: heavy fighting in kharkiv as well as the southeastern city of maur pole. the last missile strike hanning just over an hour ago. and he described what is an all-hands on deck effort to repel russian forces. he said they're gathering right now inside the capitol's administration building. even a ukrainian oligarch on hand to help out. i was speaking to a woman making molotov cocktails during the day.
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her restaurant has turned into a food distribution center. making meals, getting them to the elderly, children, hospitals, as well as ukrainian military. this is a massive group effort. a show of ukrainian resiliency. at the same time, citizens are absolutely terrified. i'm speaking to 25-year-old today and she told me -- she showed me how she's getting ready for the missile attacks. take a listen. >> hi, i'm staying in kyiv. now, i'm in my friend's apartment. this is our shelter. this is our emergency bag. some water. and my cat. >> reporter: similar scenes across not only the capitol but other cities subject to russian attack. she says that today was a terrible day because she's lost
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contact with ler family members who live in maria pole. >> obviously very, very frightening indeed. thank you very much. thanks, erin and back to the u.s. and russia's cyber capabilities. vladimir putin is yet to launch a major attack. because when the russian tanks started moving, the top cyber warriors were ready and on the job as never before. we've improved partnerships in big tech to night war. joining us is deputy security advisor for cyber. "the new york times" has a report on your partnership with microsoft in defending ukraine against malware targeting the government.
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tell us what else can be done to defend ukraine against a major cyber attack by russia? >> thank you. we've seen russia use sieber to undermine, coerse and stabilize inch in the 35s. we've asked to put a focus on cyber resilience in three ways. working closely with ukrainians to help them organize their cyber resilience. and finally, we'll be deepening our cooperation with allies and partners around the world. practice around techniques. and their own unique visibility.
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tell us what happened when microsoft discovered this malware and got in touch with you. you asked them to help alert ukraine and other countries? >> i put that in the context of the broader causation the administration has been driving between government and private sector to deepen resiliency. but in that way, what we're most concerned about is malware with destructive capabilities. as soon as they learned about the destructive attacks conducted around 100 systems late wednesday, we immediately went on highest alert to see what we could learn about them and most importantly, how we could defend against them quickly. in ukraine and these kinds of attacks can spread. in that way, when microsoft notified us they built thing for the malware, we encouraged
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sharing that broadly across allies and partners and connected them with ukrainian cyber defenders to make sure that was shared across as much ukrainian infrastructure as possible. the ability to block malweir is at the core. >> we haven't had this kind of partnership to this extent before and now it's a realty emergency. there are basically companies like microsoft in this instance, are giving you the code, the key to detect and defend against and basically disarm the malwear so it doesn't infect more systems. >> really it's the private sector being better coordinated amongst themselves and the recognition that we're calling on them to rapidly run the ability to defend. so, i'll explain for a moment. the psz president executive order mandated five specific cyber security practices. one is called end points
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protection. technology that runs to rapidly detect any threats. and large cyber security companies can take one instance and quickly spread out a defense. really the core partnership is insuring we're sharing information between our government and intelligence perspective and private sector companies learn from their presence and millions of computers round the world and showing we bring that together to first rapidly push out defenses and that's the private sector doing that and governments working together to attribute who was responsible for that activity and call out malicious activity. that's the role we play as governments, enforcing cyber space and calling out when countries do the kind of attacks not responsible, given we're in a global communications environment, i need to respect international environment. >> about two weeks ago you called out russia, very quickly
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identifying russia as a perpetrator of another attack. how confidence are you that ukraine can fend off attacks from russia? >> russia has one of the most sophisticated cyber programs in the world and it's far easier to attack than to defend. an attack has to be successful wuns. a defender has to be successful every time. ukraine has put in a lot of work in the last few years, supported by european partners and the united states to augment their cyber resilience but the humans working hard, cyber defenders building the best partnership with technology to be as effective as they can be. >> how well defendred we here? notably in solar winds and the government didn't know. took a long time to get that back up. how well defended are we against russia retaliating against us? vladimir putin's got to be angry and hurting from the sanctions,
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what we've done to the ruble. that's been really effective and much faster. quicker impact than a lot of people suspected would be. could we strike here and how do we defend ourselves? >> it's a really great question. so, technology is rife with vulnerabilities and what we've been doubling down on both digital and physical resilience and that's been done in three ways. first, pardoning systems. the executive order calling out specific practices, mandating the government would use power procurement to buy technology that meets specific security standards and things like the transportation security that managed practices for pipeline, aviation and rail. that's the first part of our strategy. lock our digital doors and put on our digital alarm systems that enable us to detect a compromise if it occurs and react.
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the second piece is really warning. since november, you've seen the department of homeland security, epa, treasury, all going to their sectors giving specific warnings, saying put your shields up. follow best security practices. know when there are geopolitical tensions and when an actor has sophisticated capabilities, we have to be on highest alert. and finally insure we make it harder for adversaries to conduct cyber operations. >> were you really on the frontlines of this and great to have this opportunity. i know how busy you must be. see, thanks for taking the time with us today. and moments ago in an exclusive interview. kweet nightly news" anchor, lester holt, sat down with lloyd austin at the pentagon and asked about the massive convoy of russian tank as and trucks headed towards kyiv.
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>> we've been watching this convoy that's got the world's attention. it was reported it was stalled. should we read too much into that? is it still a potent fighting machine? >> i would say there's a lot of combat power; that the russians still have available to them. so they have ea number of aungzs going forward. one of those options that putin can choose is he can choose to deescalate and pursue a diplomatic solution and we hope he does it. but again, just based upon the combat power that we see, he can still do a number of things. >> and of course, you can see a lot more of lester's exclusive interview with lloyd austin tonight on nbc "nightly news." and joining us now, chief
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white house correspondent, president of the counsel of foreign relations and ben roads, deputy national security advisor to president obama. first to you. that was a pretty candid assessment from the defense secretary. very measured but there's a lot of fire power there and we don't know exactly why it stalld and what the plan is but seems to be ominous about incircling kyiv. >> looks like they're going to lay siege to kyiv. they're targeting civilian targets. this is not guarded munitions. could be problems to get food and water and medicine. they want to basically force cupitchilation of the major urban areas and the way we have to continue to give the ukraine army the means to push back. but the inequality, disparity is obviously pronounced.
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>> in recent days we've seen urgency from european leaders. they've commit unprecedented sanctions and weapons and supplies. the swiss got involved with weapon. in ways they never have before. and the european union is uting out the welcome matte for ukraine after the emotional appeal to the parliament from zelenskyy. will these weapons get to them in time? >> certainly not in time to erase that disparity. i mean, russia has an enormous amount of advantages in terms of combat power relative to ukraine. what has happened is european identity has been transformed in the last week. and the willingness to provide these kinds of weapons, the willingness to pursue sanctions that are going to have a big cost on europe, even more than the united states, clearly european leaders are responding to their own public opinion.
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part of what we should watch going forward is if that convoy in the indiscriminate shelling continues, you're are going to see more pressure, with europe doing more dramatic things. including use e moving to the more energy sanctions that carry the biggest cost to europe's economy and would put a bigger dent in russia's revenue sources. >> and the general assembly has voted 141-5 to condemn russia and demand withdrawal and the five were, not surprisingly, belarus, north korea, russia, and syria. and that's not a crowd you want to be in. peter baker. >> i think that speaks to isolation of russia in the world today. and i think it reminds us that in fact russia has no friends here. ukraine is fighting on its own and has everybody supporting
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them spiritually and tangibly. i think even some of the people on the list like china are are ambivlabout about what's going on here. belarus, at this point, we don't talk much about it but one consequence is it's been incorporated into russia as a defacto way. troops, russian troops are using belarus as a launching point for this invasion. belarus basically serves as a vasal state at this point. i think all that's one of things that's gotten lost. russia is on its own and that's broadened the start today. >> and let's talk about china for a moments because there have been mixed signals from china. we saw what happened with the opening ceremony with the new accord or reaffirmed accord between russia and china. but we're hearing criticism,
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that china may be reluctant, unhappy. violates their long held views about sovereignty and not having one country invade another. what do you think president xi is on this now? >> i think he's extraordinarily unhappy. violated, as you say, one of the basic tenants of foreign policy. a big distraction. his big goal is to get the term approved this fall when the party congress meets. he runs the risk of getting caught up in a web of sanctions. he doesn't want to choose. he wants to strategically stay close to russia. but economically, it could be ereally costly. for him. china's trying to straddle. but at some point they're not going to be able to. one think that's really interesting to me. i think one of the few effects of this is it's made china rethink any plans, dreams they may have had for using force against taiwan. the sanctions effort put in place here, if that were applied
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for china front and center, they would have extraordinary damage to the economy. they're much more of a global economy than russia. and look at the military support. all that would go to taiwan, plus the united states and several taiwan allies and neighbors be willing to perhaps provide direct defense to taiwan. i think this is forcing them to fundamentally rethink their ambitions for taiwan. >> that would be a good side effect of this terrible tragedy that is unfolding in front of all of our eyes. thank you. and vladimir putin, he's increasingly isolated, really. what is the latest intelligence on his state of mind? and what could that mean for his path forward? angus king on both armed services and intelligence committees joins me next. intel committees joins me next even ife a medicare prescription drug plan? it's true.
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hospital. a heart wrenching moment, the mother of a special needs infant. a challenge that richard and his wife understand all too well. >> reporter: her daughter, nicole, was born with complex needs and requires constant care. >> we were giving her a blood transfusion every two weeks but now her condition is getting her and she feels worse. >> reporter: how are you feeling? i have a child myself who has special needs and extra health issues. i know how powerless you can feel to be a parent with a sick child. >> translator: it is very hard, she says. we want this war to stop because our kids suffer and we cannot go home. >> a human moment in the middle of a war. joining us is senator angus king of maine. he sits on the armed services committee. this is one example of how
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devastating this is for ukrainians. >> devastating and -- yeah, devastating and senseless. vladimir putin has made a terrible miscalculation. he thought this was going to be a walk over. and remember he was talking about their army being peacekeepers. i think he thought they were going to be greeted as liberators and instead they're meeting fierce resistance and the damage. what i really fear is over the next several days, there's going to be a ramp up in the brutality of hitting civilians and we're already seeing that in mariupol and some of the smaller cities. putin ought to look are for an off ramp instead of escalating something that, in the end, i don't think he can win. >> there's a question as to whether he's getting real information from the front. perhaps he's stressful and angry
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at the slow march of the convoy. >> well, don't think he is. he's created a situation. one of the principals of leadership is you're going to have to people round you who aren't afraid of you, who can tell you the truth, otherwise you make big mistakes. this could be ea world class example. you see him with pictures at a long table and people at the far end. that's not a recipe for open and honest discussion. apparently from open source reporting, he was warned that this could be more of a problem and warned the sanctions could be a bigger problem for the russian economy but high had this delusion about greater russia and that ukraine was really part of russia. and he grossly underestimated the resistance of the ukrainian people and two other things. the leadership of president zelenskyy and the leadership in the west.
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the unity that we've seen. when switzerland is getting involved, you know that you're turning quickly into a pariah state. >> for all that west is doing, and you mentioned germany changing its policies on weapons deliveries. will the weapons, will the supplies, the fuel, the ammo get there in time? the foreign minister was talking to secretary of state blinken pleading with more help for their air force. >> there's a lot of aid coming in from nato countries, as well as this country and coming in fast. i think the reality, and we have to be clear eyed about this. that the russians have the advantage. they're surrounding the country on three sides. they're getting cooperation, more than they should, in my opinion, from belarus and they have the fire power. the ukrainian resistance and their army has been just
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absolutely incredible. i think the russians were expecting a three-day war and it's now looking like a much longer slug. but the reality is, as i said at the beginning, i fear they're going to turn this into another chetsnia where they carpet bomb civilians. and as putin gets angrier and angrier and lashes out, i think that's the most immediate danger and the secondary danger is he lashes out at the west. probably in the form of cyber attacks. we've already seen changes in terms of gas prices and energy prices generally. i worry about a cyber attack, which i think is something they have to be contemplating as part of putin's playbook. >> as you know, legislation requiring critical infrastructure owners to report to the government when they face a cyber attack. we were talking to ann newberger
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a few minutes ago about increased cooperation. how microsoft discovered malware and notified the white house, white house notified ukraine. and helped disarm the malware. is there enough cooperation and do we need more? >> well, the bill that passed last night is one of the most important cyber pieces of legislation in the past ten years. it's been a missing piece. we're never going to be invulnerable because the cyber realm evolves continuously. i have to say a lot of the federal government can do a lot and we are doing a lot. but cyber defense starts at the desk top. 85% of cyber attacks start with somebody clicking on a fishing email. and people have to bear that in mind. and be much more careful,
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particularly if you're in a critical infrastructure industry finance sector, energy sector, pipelines. water. that's where the danger is. and as i say, the government is doing a lot but individuals have to do it too. this is one where it's an unusual situation. conflict you normally think of between armies and armies. navies and navies. the target space is in the private sector and we're doing all we can to help protect them and the bill passed last night is a huge step forward. the private sector has to step up too and develop, over next week, a heightened sense of urgency. >> very briefly, are you surprised that putin hasn't done more to attack ukraine on cyber or even us? >> i have. i expected a much more substantial cyber attack on ukraine going in.
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they have started that to some extent and there were attacks at the beginning on some of the ukrainian banks. i exepect there will be more of that and the danger is that putin is cornered. he made a major miscalculation. and he's a guy that doesn't admit error. very much. and he's gotten out in front of the world on this and he's going to pay a very heavy price. i just hope they can find an off ramp. if he's smart, that's what he'll do. he's already lost ukraine. ukraine will never be part of russia, given what they've done to that country. like i say he's losing great ground in terms of the economy. the question is does he care about the effect on the russian people? he's going to have his mercedes.
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so, the question is will the sanctions actually effect him? hopefully it's going to start to penetrate his inner circle and he'll start listening. but right now he's the most dangerous man in the world. >> thank you. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. and meet and greet for the president's supreme court nominee. will she win over any republicans as she starts making the rounds? any republicans as she starts making the rounds ♪ ♪ who would've thought printing... could lead to growing trees. ♪
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helping her country. she joins me now. the co-founder and executive director of thend anti-corrupti action center. thank you veryio much. you posted the hospital where you gave birth to your two sons was damaged when a russian missile hit the area. howth is your family in ukraine doing? what are you hearing? >> my family is getting to learn how to leave when every hour you have to go to the bomb shelter and to understand that there could be russian soldiers crossing by tanks nearby. my team members are in kyiv and operating from the bomb shelters. you know what is the most devastating, is that the children which have the most severe diseases, are now in the hospitals in the bomb shelters. it's simply insane and it's inhuman and it will keep continuing and getting worse because very soon, ukraine and ukrainians, especially from the
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cities from the east and south, will have no food, no water, and basically no medical support if there will be no protection of the sky from our western partners. >> whatte compelled you to confront the british prime minister that way? >> you know,y? there are bombs flying from the sky, and these bombs are destroying our churches, our hospitals, our kindergartens. they are destroying roads. they're destroying oil bases. any single moment they can destroy our nuclear power plants. then at this moment it will be no border between ukraine and europe. this was the reason i told boris johnson world war iii has started. nobody noticed. you can't rely on the ukrainian people toca defend the evil of vladimir putin. and i'm begging for international partners to help us to fight the bombs, to destroy them and their air
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defense missiles. if it will not be done, evacuate people from the most devastated situations and we won't be able to provide humanitarian assistance. i can't imagine international organizations who will go deep into theor country under the bombs. planes are not flying. you can't go 1,000 kilometers just on foot because the roads have been destroyed. what's the way out of this? protect our sky, give us opportunity tous evacuate the mt people -- who need this the most, provide themhi humanitari aid, and do your job and do sanctions because all these sanctions which were conducted by international partners, yes, but it is the largest military war in europe since world war ii. it just has to be extraordinary work and cooperation and reaction from the west. there has to be direct sanctions
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on kremlin oligarchs and their family members, including assets confiscatets their assets and member states. these oligarchs are war criminals and the united states is not touching all of the war criminals just cream of the cream and not touching their family members. that's a problem. >> let me ask you about a photo, a very effective photo, you tweeted out of people in wheelchairs making molotov cocktails. >> what, what, what should i respond? it just shows that everyone in ukraine, starting from children and children were making molotov cocktails. they have noov way out. they're sitting in the bomb shelters. disabled people. elders. we are fighting the evil. we will not let russia come in
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and rule ukraine. we told it very clearly and we'll fight until the very end. it's -- disabled people can prepare molotov cocktails then nato probably can use the air defense system to protect our sky from the missiles to prevent more devastation. >> we're going to have to leave it there. we've talked before and it's good to see you. stay safe and stay in touch. thank you very much for joining us. >> thankuc you, andrea. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow theit show online on facebook and on twitter @mitchellreports. chuck todd with "mtp daily" starts right after this. with n. nucala is a once monthly add-on treatment for severe eosinophilic asthma that can mean less oral steroids. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing.
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