peace. >> we hear about military men -- ma nooefers and strategy so many people affected in ukraine. our thoughts and prayers are with all of the innocent. "the reidout" with joy reid is next. >> a harrowing story, unbelievable this is happening in 2022. unreal. thank you so much, my friend. appreciate you. good evening, everyone. ukraine is holding firm against the russian invaders as the war approaches the second week. 82% of the russian forces that vladimir putin staged at the ukrainian border are now inside that country. and they continue to bombard cities and towns forcing emergency crews into harm's way to dig through the rebel for survivors. the daylight reveals the extent of putin's destruction,

neighborhoods and homes completely levelled and flames still smoldering among the charred remains. ukraine's second largest city kharkiv is under continuous assault for days and surrounded by russian forces. and while they held out against the assault so far, they are increasingly desperate and running short on food. >> the bombing and shooting, we don't know how to sleep and how we will live tomorrow. please, we don't have enough food for my baby. >> russia is claiming control of the strategic port city and the mayor says they are waiting for a miracle. meanwhile, the u.n. is estimating the death toll is in the hundreds. they say the real number is believed to be considerably higher and ukrainian officials are reporting that more than

2,000 civilians have lost their lives. more than 800,000 refugees have fled the country with thousands more to follow putting europe on the brink of a major humanitarian crisis. all of this for the quest of a single man who is so obsessed with crushing ukraine he's willing to choke off his entire country from the rest of the developed world. at this stage, putin is so isolated that an overwhelming 141 nations voted at the u.n. today to condemn his invasion. only four countries took russia eastside in voting against the invasion, belarus syria, eritrea and north korea. despite the destruction, we see courageous scenes of resistance from the ukrainian people like these residents who were undeterred but an armed russian soldier who fired his weapon in the air.

they bravely confronted him and his company blocking their convoy from proceeding. we heard varying estimates of the number of russian troops killed in action but two western officials tell nbc news that russia has lost nearly 6,000 of their troops so far. and while nbc news cannot independently verify, it far exceeds the number of u.s. troops lost in iraq, more than decade of war in attempted occupation. ukraine is now asking for more anti tank weapons to take out the 40-mile long column or russian ground forces that's been trying to reach ukraine's capital kyiv for days. that convoy is stalled outside the city plagued by logistical issues and supply line failures. in other words, it's literally a sitting duck but without the capacity to take it out, ukraine would be watching a slow motion catastrophe in the making. joining us is a member of the house foreign affairs and armed

services committees. olexi, political editor for "the kyiv independent" and keir simmons live in moscow. i'll go in reverse order, i want to stay with you olexi and ask the situation on the ground. how dire is it and how dire are the expectations of what is to come? >> well, we're seeing increased shelling of residential areas in kharkiv, kherson. as we speak kyiv is being bombed. we have reports that downtown kyiv is suffering from air strikes. we're yet to confirm this but we can see in the past two days, the shelling of residential areas has drastically increased. >> is there any, you know, any idea inside of kyiv, inside of ukraine from what you've been

able to determine that anyone has any intention of surrendering to the kremlin and allowing the kremlin to take over your country? >> no, this is absolutely impossible because we understand that the major goal of president vladimir putin is to destroy ukraine and that is -- ukrainians will never agree to this. that's why we see increased shelling is that the talks between ukraine and russia have broke down two days ago and now russia is trying to force the ukrainian government to speak and to agree to their terms with the lives of civilians. >> let me go to you, keir. there is news there is supposed to be a second round of peace talks in belarus. the challenge there, of course, is safety. you know, having the delegation that goes to negotiate with the

russians be safe in a country belarus that is on the side of the russians. is that -- are those talks going to happen? do you anticipate they're going to happen while there is still activity shelling and violence being committed by russia in ukraine? >> good question -- >> there obviously -- >> i'm sorry, for keir. >> reporter: look, joy, good question, before i stood in front of the camera, we heard this news of explosions heard in kyiv so it sounds as if the russians continue their assault and those really aren't the conditions for talks. the terrible truth about war is sometimes the two sides need to talk even if they're not peace talks just in order to agree at some times some terms, sometimes just to ensure that supply lines if they're targeted in this case and if they are nato supply lines what would be the implication of that so they can be reasons to meet and talk.

joy, i thought there was something really interesting the secretary blinken said today. and i'll just quote what he said. he said if russia pulls back and pursues diplomacy, we stand ready to do the same and it southwesting because -- interesting to give president putin and if he even wants to despite everything that's happened and blinken and ready to go the same about diplomacy and seemingly from that sentence about pulling back is that the secretary of state suggesting if russia stopped its combat, the west for example would halt it's ratcheting up of sanctions in order to try to come to some kind of agreement. it may not be that. it may be a hope. truth is, that the russians are still pursuing their objectives and the ukrainians are still

defending their country and in that context, peace talks seem pretty unlikely if they do happen pretty unlikely to reach any kind of important useful agreement. >> very quickly for you, keir, on that point. you're in moscow, how much are the sanctions biting in terms of ordinary people? i read stories about people being unable to use apple pay and their metro card to get on the subway. how much are people actually feeling the economic impacts of what the sanctions are doing? >> reporter: well, there was a wave of economic blows, doubling of interest rates to 20% and people worried about trying to get currency. it settled a bit i would say in these few days but i've spoken to you before about the ripping of the culture between the cultural ties between this part of the world and the west and what impact that would have. interesting story tonight, joy,

from reuters siting a shipping website saying that it is seeing super yachts from the oligarchs turning up in the maldives and they don't have an extradition treaty with the u.s. so are russia's super rich trying to put clear blue water between themselves and the president of russia, possibly, certainly i suspect they are deeply worried about getting another question being can they even influence the president if they ask here in russia and if they do have access to him because the truth is, that the people who are really close to president putin is body guards, the people in the fsb as it's called, used to be called the kgb and we're told they're deeply loyal and would die for him, frankly. >> i apologize for the traffic jam. you wanted to answer the question about peace talks

because it's hard to imagine ukraine being interested in any talks with the kremlin while the bombs are still falling. >> oh, yes, i would say that the peace talks will definitely happen. ukraine has to agree to peace talks. ukraine has to show that -- the leadership of ukraine has to show that it cherishes lives. it tries to prevent russia from shelling residential areas but unfortunately, we understand these peace talks will lead to nowhere because russians and ukrainians are so far apart. russians want to destroy ukraine and ukraine wants basically their independent state to survive. >> yeah. let me bring you in, congresswoman. we have a refugee crisis. europe is absorbing nearly a million people and we don't know

how many -- how high that could go. we have the inability of the u.s. to directly do anything about it because of the nato issue. president zelenskyy issued a message to jews worldwide that said i appeal to all the jews of the world. don't you see what is happening? it's important millions of you jews don't remain silent because nazis are born in silence so shout about killing civilians and killing ukrainians. a very heart felt message from this man. the united states chimed in, you know, with a resolution, just a resolution supporting ukraine stating our principles. three republicans voted against that thomas massie of kentucky and matt rosendale and paul gosar. what do you think the u.s. does next? >> you know, as a jewish american myself, i think president zelenskyy's words were deeply moving and i think it's

important that we look at the targeting of civilians both in ukraine as we're seeing right now but also we've seen these very tactics russia is using in ukraine that they've used in places like syria and elsewhere and it's important that when we say never forget, we mean it for everywhere, not just places in europe. i can't speak to why some of my republican colleagues voted against this resolution. they tend to vote against everything. but i do think that it's important that this resolution was a bipartisan message showing that congress stands united with ukrainian people, just as we saw last night with the ukrainian ambassador to the u.s. at the state of the union, as first lady biden's guest but that we're also doing what we need to do to help the ukrainian people. that means, increasing the security assistance we're doing and getting humanitarian assistance to the people of ukraine and supporting europeans absorbing these refugees and

lifting our own refugee cap to take ukrainians into the united states and anyone fleeing the horrors of war and conflict. >> keir, to go back to you, all of this, i think i've been saying this every day since this began and i hate to be a broken record here. the question of whether vladimir putin is thinking rationally, is rational at this stage, i think we still have to think about it. i wonder if there are any signs inside of moscow that people are concerned about his level of ration because in the interview with lester holt, he said it's hard to predict where he goes from here. there doesn't seem to be an obvious way out. are there questions raised whether this man is fully tethered? >> i think that there are people asking themselves questions about where he's at in his mental state in this sense

certainly. he is somebody that spent 20 years on thrown thrown if you l. that produces a person who really believes in their own opinions and if anyone who knows vladimir putin's history over that period of time will know what i'm talking about when i say there are multiple people who were close to him who are no longer close to him. so in that sense, you can talk about him being isolated. joy, looking back at the essay he wrote about ukraine and russia last year, which was clearly actually in his mind a kind of philosophical setup for what he's doing now, in that he uses the first person the whole time, i this, i that, i believe this. self-centered might be a description. isolated might be another one. fend mentally, the question is what decisions will he make next? >> it is a bloody and awful

problem. please stay safe, all of you. thank you very much. appreciate you. next, targeting the russian oligarchs, new sanctions are coming but how much influence do they have over the dictator in moscow and. >> i feel so tired and i feel so -- i think like i might be increasing the pressure because i've never been in such situation far from my family and i don't know what will happen later and i'm being put in the worst situations and i don't know what to do. >> did you ever think war would come to ukraine? >> never. >> the moving and horrifying stories of people desperately trying to escape ukraine as putin's invading troops swarm in. "the reidout "continues after this swarm in "the reidout "continues after this to help prevent bleeding gums, try saying hello gumwash with parodontax active gum health. it kills 99% of plaque bacteria and forms an antibacterial shield. try parodontax active gum health mouthwash.

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thinking past his prologue putin invaded ukraine expected complete capitulation. well, he was wrong. >> he badly miscalculate. he thought he could roll into ukraine and the world would roll over. instead, he met with a wall of strength he never anticipated or imagined. he met the ukrainian people. [ applause ] >> according to u.s. intelligence, this miscalculations left putin increasingly frustrated by his military struggles in ukraine and may see only his option as doubling down on violence. he's unlikely to back down. one of the few newspapers of russia has been a target of putin told "the new yorker"

putin will never leave power of his own will. his entourage is convinced without putin there is no russia. there is glimmers of hope and resistance as people protest putin's unprovoked war. in st. petersburg russian police detained an old early woman that appears to be a well-known survivor of the nazi siege. earlier today antony blinken spoke directly to those people. >> we know many of you want no part of this war. you, like ukrainians, like americans, like people everywhere want the same basic things. good jobs, clean air and water, the chance to raise your kids in safe neighborhoods, to send them to good schools, to give them better lives than you had. how in the world does president putin's unprovoked aggression against ukraine help you achieve any of these things?

how is it going to make your lives better? the economic costs that we've been forced to impose? >> many are asking why nato has not intervened on ukraine's behalf. tom nickels at the u.s. war college who wrote a book on nuclear weapons pushed back on the call for nato engagement warning we should not take this bait. there is no good strategic reason to give putin what he wants. tom nickles contributing writer for "the atlantic" joins me now. i want to start, go back to where we started here, nina. you know, i think a lot of people are sort of trying to read putin's mind here. he clearly miscalculate on the way that his troops would be the last man and woman and child.

they're fighting. they're not going to capitulate and become part of russia. they want no part of it. the question is what is his plan c? there doesn't seem to be a way out and back down. i wonder what you make of the fact that he's going in further because it just seems logical that the more violence you inflict on the ukrainian people, the more they will hate him. can you help us get inside his head? >> i don't think i can. he clearly, we've seen putin for 22 years. he doesn't back down. he's never backed down so he's going further with more violence, with more attacks, with more occupation although in russia we were told so many times there will be no occupation and so it does seem that essentially there is no

exit plan to this but how he's going to play it out, i don't know because already the ministry of defense had to admit 500 people, 500 russian soldiers died and before that they were saying only the ukrainians are dying but of course, the russians all perfect and everything is good. there are soldiers speaking out and people you mentioned that are speaking out. i am very -- i don't know how it's going to be resolved but i'm absolutely fascinated that he would miscalculate like that. i don't know what kind of ukraine he has written about ukraine and spoken about ukraine. he's from the soviet union. how could he possibly not know ukraine is going to fight to the death when we all know that it will and it would have anyway. that is absolutely beyond me. he's living in a world with no

relevance to any reality. >> some are asking russians to get out there and protest and make their voices heard. you're seeing protests and arrests. i wonder how much information, real unsanitized information people of russia get. can he close that country in a closed loop of information or is it the body bags that are telling the story? >> well, it's the body bags but actually just yesterday they transmission of two very independent liberal sources, one is the radio station, another one a tv station because they were the ones that were interviewing ukrainians and showing the bombing of kyiv. they were showing the siege and all this other places but also, let's remember these are very close nations. there are many people relatives so we have relative there is and

so i talk to friends and relatives in kyiv so they're telling me and telling others what is going on. they send pictures so information is available but sanitized by other narratives and forbidden to use words like war, like occupation. we're supposed to call it special operation. >> let me go to you tom, i've been fascinated watching the back and forth with adam kinzinger that serves this nation in the united states military and a member of the united states congress and a pretty knowledgeable guy. i've been surprised how many people are raising the prospect that nato should get involved, that nato should do something because that is world war iii. can you just sort of walk us through this why because it feels, i think it feels horrifying to a lot of americans to watch people suffer, although we did it in syria and chechnya and other places. but to watch people suffer and die without nato acting. can you just walk us through why

we're not? >> part of the problem is since the end of the cold war, i think too many of us have really internalized the notion that the americans have no real peer and we can act at will and if something bad happens in the world, we can fix it because that's our nature. we're doers. we're not bystanders even though, you know, i mean, in the case of syria, i was arguing for an intervention to stop the bloodshed in syria, you know, 400 deaths ago, 400,000 deaths ago and yet, people said that one we don't feel strongly about. in this case, i think, you know, people have just replaced ukraine with sort of generic country and that we can just do this and they're not thinking through that, you know, this isn't the world -- the world isn't that new, that this is a different -- this is different than syria. this is different than them and

there are real risks here but i wanted to say one other thing about this but i think people aren't thinking about even if you believed that putin wouldn't -- that at some point putin might back down and really, this wouldn't turn into world war iii i can't understand why people are determined to get putin out of the disaster he has created because as nina points out, you know, russians have telephones and friends in ukraine and family and a nato intervention could be the one thing i don't think it would save the ukraiians at this point but would rally the russian nation. putin if he prays at all might be praying for a nato intervention because it would give him a clear and definable enemy to go against. i think this terrible miscalculations and i completely agree with nina is almost inconceivable he would be so completely in a bubble and forget everything he ever knew

about ukraine to think that he could do this and he'd be greeted as a liberator somehow. i think, you know, he really is in that kind of bubble where the one enemy he would be able to put his finger on and say, this is the fight i want, it's with nato. >> yeah -- >> and i just think we want to just do something because we're good people and we have empathy but i think people just aren't thinking this through. >> you're absolutely right. he's been trying to argue that the government in ukraine is just a puppet of the americans and of nato. that would give him a reason to keep saying it and also, world war iii between two nuclear powers is madness. follow the rubles, the amount of money believed to be siphoned is jaw dropping and president biden says we'll take it away. the question is how. we'll get into that next. y. the question is how. we'll get into that next

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tonight, i say to the russian oligarchs and the corrupt leaders who built billions of dollars off this violent regime no more, the united states department of justice assembling a dedicated task force to go after the crimes of the russian oligarchs we're joining with european allies to find and seize their yachts and luxury apartments, their private jets.

we're coming for you ill be gotten gains. >> president biden is wasting no time making good on that promise. nbc news learned administration could announce expanded sanctions against vladimir putin's cronies as soon as tomorrow. it could put pressure on the ex kgb officer to stand down. today the justice department announced the task force biden eluded to. >> we will leave no stone urn unturned to arrest and prosecute. those who criminal acts enable the russian government to continue this unjust war. >> for decades these oligarchs sheltered extra ordinary and stolen wealth outside russia in secret accounts and acquiring real estate and yachts. the sums involved are mind boggling.

researchers estimate in 2015, the hidden foreign wealth of rich russians amounted to 85% of russia's gdp. to give perspective, this is as if a u.s. president's cronies managed to hide $20 trillion in overseas accounts. wow. joining me now is a former spokesperson for the u.s. mission to the united nations and the u.s. treasury department and host of "oh my world" on youtube. thank you for being here. i think we're stealing from ali velshi. it was a brilliant conversation. i'm glad i can nick you from him. you were great. my first question is this, ambassador michael mcfaul earlier today made a really solid point i think that there are two kinds of oligarchs, the oligarchs that are in europe and london and own lots of yachts and moving yachts and running away and there are ones that own like the big oil, the people

behind stuff like that. i wonder if these sanctions actually hit the ones that matter and the ones who need putin. i'll just give you examples. cnbc is reporting o oligarchs a moving yachts, one of them is shopping the chelsea football club to sell it. are those even the oligarchs that count? >> they all kind of count in different ways and i see why the ambassador is dividing them into two because he's talking about those the former leader created and one of president putin's main arguments during campaigning against boris was look at the corruption he created when it was hypocritical because he created his own oligarchs and corruption. at the end of the day all of the oligarchs support putin and putin's regime and benefit equally from each other. they each need the other side. when you're targeting the oligarchs, it's not just about the possibility they might

convince president putin to stop the aggression, it's getting at the possibility president putin might ask them to hide and evade his own assets. it's getting at the way they property up president putin himself personally, the regime, russia's economy, obviously, which you eluded to and disrupting and dismantling all of the kremlin's financial networks so the russian oligarch arm of that is a key aspect of it. a bonus would be if they convinced president putin to change his mind. >> how do you find the money? is the thing, i'm a layperson at this but it seems putin is good at hiding wealth. there are people that said he's a trillion. the gas guys we want to get at are also hiding money. how do we find it? >> well, it typical for these types of leaders and oligarchs to create these kind of very complicated ownership structures to hide their wealth, to control

bank accounts orbitz or the beneficial owner and ultimately, the government's treasury department in partnership with the europeans and others hunt and find those assets so the treasury department has its own intelligence shop. in fact, it's the only finance ministry in the world that has its own intelligence shop so it's all these intel analysts that collect -- sorry, they don't collect. they receive information and analyze it with the only purpose of this mission to disrupt and dismantle financial networks. any time the u.s. treasury sanctions a target, you can think of it as the center of an onion and once it's sanctioned, they continue to hunt down and identify and expose that entire network because it part of enforcing the sanction. so the idea that like it's a name on a press release and that's it, it just doesn't work like that. it's -- they map out the whole network and work with the private sector to ensure that if there is a bank account or a

business they're not aware is owned in fact by president putin or one of his oligarchs, they will either publicly sanction that business or bank account later on or may go to the financial institution directly and say hey, you may not be aware but this is who actually owns this account. >> what are the chances some u.s. players get uncovered when you start uncovering where people are hiding their money, you know, there are a lot of stories about straw donations that have gone into republican coffers here and there and senators have been named, maybe. we don't know. is there a possibility that this hunt turns up some americans who are maybe doing business? do we find out oh, donald trump or somebody else is doing business with them and if that information comes up and it's americans or straw donors in the united states, what happens to them? >> it's always a possibility. it's not something that treasury pursues. usually when things like this have happened, you have for example leaks like

papers and those documents ended up unleashing and exposing individuals involved in shady financial transactions. you may end up having something like that. if an american person is involved, it's not usually the treasury department that handles it if that's falling into law enforcement, the department of justice. >> oh, god. >> and the fbi and what they do is more money laundering, these are against u.s. law so it's a legal procedure that ends uptaking place after that. >> and right back to the doj that won't even prosecute donald trump and that's another conversation. i guess, the last question would be let's say that one of these oligarchs has lots of yachts or property that gets seized in this process, what does the treasury deputy do? do they sell it? does it go into the american coffers? happens to the propertys? >> owe, the seizure of any kind of criminal asset goes to a

slush fund for future law enforcement activity. own proceeds made or any cash, all of it goes into a slush fund for future law enforcement activity. >> what we're showing you there on the screen, we can put it back up, six oligarchs, deripaska, she's talked a lot about some of these guys. alexi, eugene, dimitri, you might have heard, as well. total cost of the real estate they own in this country in new york city alone, $588 million. so we're talking big, big money. don't make too many plans for the 7:00 p.m. hour week days monday through friday. you're great. thank you so much. appreciate you being here tonight. we'll be right back. iate you be tonight. 'll be right back. re discoverinr to treat her frequent heartburn... claire could only imagine enjoying chocolate cake. now, she can have her cake and eat it too. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn?

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breaking news tonight in the january 6th investigation. the house select committee is expected to submit a court filing laying out new details of

trump lawyer john eastman's campaign to persuade mike pence to overturn the election. mayoral member eastman authored that memo outlining a six-point plan for pence to overturn the presidential election in seven states. he was also a speaker at the rally that proceeded the deadly siege on the capital. the washington reports says the filing is expected to reference testimony from two of pence's top aids, mark short and greg jacob explaining eastman lead a pressure campaign against pence, a last ditch effort to get pence to change his mind and not certify the results. joining me is pete aguilar of california. congressman, let's get into it. it seems part of the request here is for eastman to turnover search emails, to go through emails and find any emails that mention lawmakers and i'll go through some of them. andy bigs, mo brooks, paul

gosar, cindy hide smith. what is the timeline on getting that kind of compliance and if that compliance doesn't happen in time for the hearings in april, then what? >> the timeline could be very quick. the judge could rule in our favor and we would receive those documents we received thousands of documents already from dr. eastman and so we continue to make significant progress but let's put a finer point on this. we're in this position because he has lost time and time again in the courts fighting, submitting documents to us. we feel that are important to our investigation and so he is using every effort possible to put up a roadblock and what we will layout in the filing very clearly are our steps and our reasons why we will overcome those obstacles and ensure that

transparency is ultimately what prevails here. >> is there any sense that you believe that this could wind up being a referral that goes to the justice department if these are violations of the electoral count, et cetera? sounds like crimes? >> that's not our job. our jobs is to tell the truth, find the facts and make sure we look at everything that led up to january 6th and john eastman was a very critical figure in this effort to overturn the election. his conversations with those elected officials, his conversations with the then vice president and in the former president, those are all important aspects of what we need to get to the bottom of so that's what we plan to do. >> the timeline at least as we understand it would be some sort of interim report issued by june hearings in about april. is it possible that any of that could be done without interviewing the former president and interviewing even

potentially, you know, some of his top aides, including some who are at this point refusing to comply? >> we knew folks around the president would have a difficult time coming and telling the truth it's been our hope that anyone who has information or who would want to aid in our investigation -- this is obviously the first time that, since the war of 1812 that insurrectionists breach the capital. we want to make sure it never happens again. we are going to continue to make significant progress, continue to interview individuals, over 650 interviews and depositions so far. we are making significant progress, joy. >> i have to ask you this. it struck me that president biden did not mention january 6th in the state of the union address.

it was a year ago. we surprised that he did not mention and you think he should have? >> i was not. because the president talked about this extensively. he came to the capital. he came to the scene of the crime. and gave an anniversary speech on january 6th. and yesterday he spoke about protecting democracy. all of that combined really shows me that he is supportive of our efforts and that he is supportive of making sure we do everything we possibly can to protect democracy. and that we all understand how close we came to losing it on that day, 14 months ago. >> congressman pete aguilar, thanks very much, i appreciate you being here tonight. up next, as predicted, putin's war is displacing hundreds of thousands of ukrainian civilians. cal perry spoke with some of them and their stories are devastating. back after this. after this.

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terms. it is etched on the faces of ukrainians, like this woman who spoke to nbc's cal perry about fleeing her ravaged city of kharkiv. >> i left kharkiv two days ago when things got worse and when my house got hit. my mom almost died. it was like giving your soul every second. because we are trained to stop in the middle of kyiv and they were shooting. and we heard bombs flying over and planes. and i thought, in this particular moment, i can die. >> what was it like to survive? >> i don't think i did. >> joining me now from lviv's cal perry. it's hard to hear people say, i did survive. psychologically it's gotta be devastating. the numbers we have right now are 175,000 people from the un high commissioner for refugees. how does this look on the ground? >> i think the number is so

much higher, certainly when you look at the internally displaced persons. and so many folks are displaced in the city that i met, in lviv. your description is perfect. my access to this war is through the faces of the people fleeing, and they look horrified and terrified and scared. and i have nowhere to go. we have to say that nobody expects to become a refugee. i mean, that is, by definition, sort of being a refugee. one moment your life is fine and the next moment you are faced with this decision of how quickly can i get out of my house with my kids. what do i take? how do i flee? where do i go? once i get there, what do i do? and as we see these numbers, we are headed towards 1 million people already having left ukraine. this is going to change the course of families forever. families that are going to raise kids in foreign countries. the statistics are scary. one in three refugees who flee as own like this return after ten years. >> yeah. >> one person out of three, it usually is the case they don't go back for 20 years. you get a sense of the ripple effect. >> yes, and the un high

commission on refugees has now announced that it is 1 million people so far. we have been hearing a lot of stories, and there you go -- it is different for different refugees. there are some harrowing stories of african and other nonwhite refugees, people who have been in ukraine studying, students, who are being stopped at the border, specifically the border with poland. talk about the difference here because it does seem that europe is pretty much welcoming ukrainian refugees. but we know, having dealt with syria and afghanistan, that it is not always the case if you are not a white person, in fact. >> and racism exists everywhere. right? that is the bottom line. and we are seeing these videos of folks being pushed off of trains. the people that i've spoken to at the lviv train station, and these are individual interviews, say they have not seen this. but we have seen videos and we know this from the government -- the foreign minister is saying that he has established an

emergency hotline for african, asian and other students wishing to flee due to russia's invasion. and then this also from the government. quote, african seeking evacuation are our friends, they need equal opportunities to return to their home country safely. so, the government is acknowledging that this has been an issue. that these reports are out there, that these videos are out there. and they are saying that they are addressing it. ere.one of the issues here is tt you have this human sea of people desperate to get anywhere and a government that is really not equipped to handle the situation. yeah. >> and how our neighboring countries, like poland, dealing with the situation? are they prepared for? it how are they preparing? >> so, poland is preparing through the support of nato, through unhcr, through the red cross. but what's happening here in europe, your point, it's a point to make. the syrian refugee crisis change governments. the united kingdom dropped out of the european union because of a misinformation campaign

about immigration. it may sound familiar to a lot of folks watching this. it shifted governments, government swing to the right. and that is something that, i think, these governments are going to be concerned about. they are already under the economic quench of a pandemic, already dealing with internal issues. so, for them, yeah, it's gonna be a political concern. absolutely. >> bingo! i like talking to you cal perry because you have great context for, us cal perry, stay safe, "the reidout" is finished, all in starts now. rts now. >> tonight on "all in" -- >> [speaking foreign language] [noise] [speaking foreign language] as russian military closes, in ukraine fights back with what they have. >> ukrainians are fighting bravely and creatively. >> how russia is losing the propaganda war, even in russia. >> we