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sanctions targeting vladimir putin's wealthy cronies, banning more than 50 russian oligarchs, their families, closest associates from traveling to the u.s. in belarus after talks with the russian delegation, you have ukraine announcing they've hit a tentative deal to set up safe passageways for civilians to be able to evacuate and humanitarian supplies to get where they need to go. even with resistance, russian enforces are intensifying attacks from the air and the ground. the mayor saying russian troops have captured kherson. also, in another series of headlines today, now making the case for criminal charges against president trump. a former trump spokesperson testifying in front of that committee and we're testifying in court. a son testifying against his own father. we'll tell you what he's saying

coming up. i'm hallie jackson. mike memoli covering all the developments from the white house. our chief foreign correspondent richard engel who spoke with prs sernz is in you call and michael mcfaul, we'll start with you. you have the president looking to tighten the screws more on putin's buddies. >> more than a week since russia launched that invasion of ukraine. we've seen our united states, allies, launching an array of sanctions designed to prevent putin from escalating further. a tactic we're seeing in the last few days is the white house trying to tighten the noose around putin, his inner circle. at the top of the list, dmitry peskov, the press secretary. as the release from the white house today puts it, he's one of

the leading per varies of misinformation, propaganda from russia. we're also seeing on the list who is known as putin's chef. he's been a target of u.s. authorities already. indicted by special counsel robert mueller four years ago for helping lead the spread of misinformation in the 2016 presidential campaign. we're also seeing them targeting the family members of these oligarchs as well as their properties. there was a line in the release today referring to a super yacht as one of the entities under new sanctions. this release was timed to the president's cabinet meeting that he held today, part of the post state of the union tour. here is the president laying out what the new sanctions are designed to do. >> the severe economic sanctions on putin and all those folks around him, choking off access to technology as well as cutting off access to the global

financial system, it's had a profound impact already. the goal was to maximize the impact on putin and russia and minimize the harm on us and our allies and friends around the world. our interest is to maintain the strongest unified economic impact campaign. >> hallie, what that last section from the president, maintaining the strongest unified response from the u.s. and our allies, i think that speaks to what the white house, the u.s. is not doing at this point which is stronger sanctions, potentially embargo on the import of russian oil. that seems to be an increasing area on capitol hill. we're seeing pressure on the white house to do that including from speaker pelosi, saying she would support this idea. white house press secretary jen psaki in the last hour saying that's not an option the white house is looking ford right now. as she put it, the sanctions that the u.s. is employing are designed to maximize the harm on russia and minimize the harm on american citizens, and in their view at this point, taking this

action would potentially increase the cost of oil, hurting american citizens and potentially raising more money for putin as he sells oil to other countries. >> we'll talk more about the oil issue later in the show. richard, you're live on the ground there. we learned there's been some kind of tentative agreement for safe passages, safe corridors in ukraine. what can you tell us? >> reporter: so there is a good news/bad news story, the opening of these safe passages. on the good news side, it's the first hint of a diplomatic development, diplomatic breakthroughs can lead to more diplomacy. it's good news for the people who live in some of these war-torn areas, potentially if the deal holds, because according to the terms of it, it would allow people to leave, civilians to leave some of the most wore-torn areas and allow supplies to go in. it is not, however, a cease-fire agreement. this kind of humanitarian

corridor agreement effectively allows the war to continue. it's just allowing some civilians to get out of the way. it is in no way stopping the conflict. it is in no way going to the root causes of the conflict. a senior ukrainian official told us that the russians have been showing no flexibility when it comes to negotiating on the basic grievance which is that vladimir putin is seeking regime change here and describes the ukrainian government as a fascist, nazi government and wants to take over the step. on that position, as far as we know, it has not changed. they're just allowing some people to leave some war-torn areas which is good news. as ambassador mcfaul will tell you, it could lead to more. >> you had an opportunity to speak with president zelenskyy. tell us what he said, what you

heard? pull back the curtain a little bit for us. >> this was a surprise. this was a hastily arranged press event for a relatively small group of journalists here in kyiv. we weren't expecting this to happen. we didn't know if he would be meeting the president. we were called to a building in the center of the city, an administrative building and escorted to another location, and after going through some dark hallways, there he was. he came into the room and he was very relaxed. he appeared calm. he was in good spirits. he made some jokes and had some light conversation with the reporters in the room. then he sat and talked for about an hour and it was a very focused conversation about what he expects is coming here, and he was realistic. he sounded realistic. he says he doesn't no how long ukraine can hold out. he says they are facing a numerically superior force in

the russian army, but that the ukrainians have been holding out. that their numbers, although they have fewer numbers, that their numbers are increased by their will, the fact that they're fighting to defend their homeland and he made it clear that he wants to have more talks. he said the key to that is getting through to vladimir putin. here is a little bit of that exchange from that press event. >> richard engel from nbc news. you just mentioned that you want to talk to vladimir putin. vladimir putin has so far not been willing to meet with you. do you have a message for him now that ukrainian cities are under attack, this city is under attack, a convoy is on its way here. is there a way to prevent this war from escalating even further now? >> it's not about i want to talk with putin. i think i have to talk with putin. the world has to talk with putin

because there are no other ways to stop this war. that's why i have to. >> reporter: he was asked if he plans to stay in the city, and he said yes. he was asked if he's worried that he could be killed, and he also said yes. he said only a disturbed person would not be afraid of his own death. but he said he believes he's doing a service to the nation, and he said history will judge his actions in future generations to come, but this was a man i think is looking at the situation with a clear head and recognizes that a massive russian force is heading toward this city. >> richard engel. it's incredible reporting. i'm so glad you're on the ground and bringing that to us. thank you. memoli, i'll let you both go. ambassador mcfaul, let me start with the news on this tentative

safe corridor agreement that has been apparently reached in these talks that are happening in belarus. hopeful sign in your eyes? >> hopeful sign for saving lives, absolutely. these are things that happen in civil wars and wars between states often, and we should ap plowed that. we should have no illusions that that's some kind of stepping stone or momentum towards an actual cease-fire. those are two radically different things. i haven't seen anything to suggest that putin is ready for a cease-fire. >> let me talk to you about those sanctions that the president and the biden administration have now put in place on this group of russian oligarchs. you know their names way better than i do, ambassador. what do you make of the list today? >> i don't just know their names, i know many of them personally, or i used to know them personally. i applaud these sanctions. there's not a sanction that i don't like at this point. anything that can be done should be done. i think they should go farther

and farther and farther. at the same time, i think we need to have an understanding of how political power in russia works. taking the yacht doesn't mean he's going to get on the phone or go to putin and say, hey, mr. president, you need to end this war because they took my yacht. it doesn't work that way. same with mr. peskov and all these people. they don't have that power to influence putin because putin enriched them. they're rich because of putin, not the other way around. so they need to be done, and hopefully over time you'll have such a meltdown of the economy that putin will be forced to reconsider, but the idea that you sanction an oligarch and an oligarch tells putin to end the war, it won't work that way, not in the short-term. >> what do you make of today's phone call between putin and president macron of france who says that the worst is yet to come? >> i think we should begin to

listen to what putin says and to take what he says to be what he wants to do. there's been way too many times over the last weeks and frankly, hallie, over the last years, where he said these things and we said, oh, he would never do that. he's a rational actor. he would never do that. think what we were debating just two weeks ago when people were saying that about this military operation. he said it very clearly. i listened to the speech three times. he said i'm going to destroy the ukrainian military and i'm going to denazify ukraine. the first is self-evident. the second is that he's going to kill president sernz, the person that we saw, at least arrest him, overthrow his regime, regime change. he won't stop until that is done. the good news is that after that, i don't know what his game plan is. take all of ukraine. what does that mean? he does not have the forces to

occupy this giant country, 40 million people, the biggest country in europe. he doesn't have the military forces to do that. so i don't know what happens the day after kharkiv and kyiv fall. this will be the beginning and the end of putin's ability to control ukraine. i actually think it will be the beginning of the end for his eej eem in russia. i just don't know when that will happen. my guess is we'll be measuring that in years, not weeks or months. >> ambassador mcfaul, yours is an important voice in this conversation. glad to have you on the show. i'm joined by amanda slow, special assistant to the president and senior director for europe on the national security council. through for being with us. >> good afternoon. >> let me get your take on this tentative deal to let civilians get through, to let humanitarian aid flow where it needs to flow.

>> we have not yet had full conversations with the ukrainians to get all the details on what was discussed but certainly would be very supportive of anything that would help on the humanitarian front. that's been the focus in terms of surging additional humanitarian assistance, working with our partners in the region. as the reporter and our ambassador said, that's not the end of the conflict. we're continuing to call for a cease-fire and want to see all the fighting stop. but certainly steps that can be taken to help address some of the immediate needs of civilians is very welcome. >> the president says the u.s. established channels to try to communicate directly with the russian military, this deconfliction technique. can you provide more insight into that, how critical that is, how critical that came to be? >> i would certainly refer to the pentagon for any details on communications they're having with the russians through military channels. obviously as we have in a number

of these types of conflict zones, it's very important for us to have mechanisms by which we communicate with the russians and certainly do everything we can continue to do to protect the safety of those on the ground. >> what is the intelligence assessment of how long ukrainian resistance in its many forms can hold out here? what's your sense? >> i'm not going to speak to current intelligence on that. certainly it's been incredibly heartening to see the bravery and resistance of the ukraine people in the last number of days as they have fought very bravely, civilians joining up in the fight to try to defend their country from russian aggression. the united states along with our allies and partners remains committed to continue to flow security assistance to them as they continue this fight in self-defense. >> how concerned are you that the number of civilian casualties in ukraine will rise? >> incredibly concerned. i think the number of civilian casualties is going to rise.

this is an incredible plight of russian aggression that is completely unprovoked. large numbers of innocent ukrainians are suffering, both in terms of those being killed on the ground, we're already seeing upwards of 1 million people that have fled ukraine with many more displaced internally. >> i don't know if you had a chance to listen to my colleague richard engel, our chief foreign correspondent for nbc news reporting live on the ground in kyiv. he had an opportunity to speak with ukrainian president snz today. he said something along the lines of i would be crazy not to worry about my own safety here. can you speak to the level of concern inside the u.s. government about the safety of the ukrainian president at the moment? >> certainly there is concern. i think given the comments that president putin has made, it is right for him to be concerned. it's right for us to be concerned. that's why we're going to continue to support the ukrainian people, the ukrainian military, continue to surge security assistance to them,

continue to encourage our allies and partners to give them security assistance as they defend themselves. it's important to remember here who was the aggressor. and the fact that president zelenskyy and all of ukraine are in this very defensive posture. >> i know the white house is asking for $10 billion for aid to ukraine. that's up from $6.5 billion, humanitarian and military aid. can you explain what that money will be used for -- i know you're not the congressional liaison here, but is it your expectation that will get done in a timely fashion? >> certainly hope there is receptivity to congress to these discussions that have been under way. we've continued to see a lot of discussion, both with the house and senate, about wanting to do more to discuss ukraine. in the state of the union on tuesday members wearing blue and yellow. certainly congress we hope they'll continue to give

resources to support the ukrainians. in terms of the things we're requesting money for, it's clear there are a tremendous amount of needs across the board in ukraine, both in terms of humanitarian assistance, continued security assistance as well as economic support. we hope to continue to work in close partnership in what i really think is a strong bipartisanship effort within the united states to defend the sovereignty of ukraine. >> before i let you go, has this administration shut the door entirely to banning russian oil an gas exports? >> i think we've been clear that no option is off the table. as you've seen, every day we've been continuing to come out with additional measures to make president putin and those close to him pay for this conflict. i think our guiding principle is to make sure we're inflicting pain on putin and those closest to him rather than the international community and the american people. as i said, all options are on the table. >> when speaker pelosi says she's all for it, that's not something that is out of the

realm of possibility. it sounds like that's what you're saying. >> like i said, continuing to look at all options, continuing internal discussions and congressional decisions. no option are off the table. >> amman that sloat, thank you for being with us in what i know is a critical moment for you and your team. >> thank you. we'll talk more about the crisis in ukraine. we have breaking news to get to first. in the last couple minutes, while we've been on the air, a jury has come to a verdict in formal louisville officer brett han ken son stemming from the deadly raid that ended in the death of breonna taylor. he's the only one involved that was charged at all. neither he or any of the other officers were charged with actually killing breonna taylor. this was the endangerment charge for bullets that went into her neighbor's apartment, the source of some controversy that han kin son had not been charged with

something more directly. i want to bring in legal analyst danny cevallos. >> basically in the closing arguments it was all about the reasonableness of his response to what he testified about was a perceived threat. you see him there testifying about believing he saw a rifle, a long gun shooting, in his words, i believe, iks can you telling one of his fellow officers or his brother officers as they often say. he runs around the house, fires into the window. i think this would be a different outcome if those bullets had actually struck anyone. instead he was charged only with wanton endangerment for what his bullets didn't strike, which is the people in the other apartment who arguably have nothing at all to do with anything and were just civilian casualties. >> we saw hankinso in tears when he took the stand in his own

defense. are your surprised by the jury's verdict here? >> first, i'm no longer surprised that a defendant in a high-profile case took the stand, only because in the last year we've seen it in virtually every single high-profile case, and not just firearms cases. there is a massive trend under way in high-profile cases, and defendants for the first time maybe in the history of our criminal trials are feeling confident about taking the stand. that doesn't change the fact that everything is about credibility. if this defendant wasn't credible, the jury would not have acquitted him. they must have found him credible and more specifically they found his belief in the reasonable use of force in that moment to be credible. >> danny cevallos. brett hankinson found not guilty. dramatic new testimony in a different trial.

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to the charges against him. i want to bring in national security and justice correspondent ken dilanian. this was widely seen even before the trial began as a potentially dramatic moment here for the jury, the people in the courtroom. talk about what we've heard so far. >> almost cinematic of guy reffitt's 19-year-old son, jackson, talking on the stand about turning on his own father. he was on the stand since about the 1:00 hour. he testified that he became increasingly concerned about his dad's extremism from 2016 on. he found himself googling the fbi tip line on his phone sitting in his bedroom while his dad was elsewhere in the house. he said he never heard from the fbi until after the january 6th riot. he said his father texted the family about the capitol assault including one message that says, i'll show you when i get home, don't believe the media, i was

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this testimony may be significant. judd deer was in the press facing side of the coms shop for former president trump and what else we know that the january 6th committee is doing. >> deer is a white house fact witness, and there are not that many of them towards the end of the trump administration. their letter accompanying his subpoena indicates they want to talk to him about a meeting he was in in the oval office on january 5th, a meeting in which the president is reported to have said that he wanted to find ways to put pressure on what he called the rhinos, the republicans in name only, to get republicans to act on the 6th. also, hallie, as i don't have to tell you, towards the end of the trump administration, the last few weeks, the west wing was kind of a ghost town. there were very few aides working in person in the building. judd deer was one of them. he was somebody who would have been in the building on the 6th itself. someone who might have seen any number of things and would have helped craft the white house's

communications response to what was going on that day, a very interesting witness as the committee gets down towards the end of their deposition calendar. >> any word yet on the public hearings piece of this, garrett? right now it's a lot like who is going in and out of the door and we don't know what's happening with the white nous machine. >> i asked benny thompson, the committee chair about that this morning. he told me they're hoping to wrap up with depositions by the end of april so they can do hearings basically as soon as they finish, april, may, try to get an interim report out by june. that timeline has slipped from what it was around the holidays. we'll zoo if it slips further. a lot will depend on getting the last little bit of witnesses they've been chasing in for their depositions. >> i'm old enough to remember when they were looking at maybe march according to what they said on this show. garrett haake, thank you rnlts we'll have more on this later the show including more on what the select committee is doing

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this idea coming out of congress to try to hurt russia even more for their invasion of ukraine seems to be picking up traction. you have lawmakers on both sides of the aisle today coming out to say they support this push to ban russian oil imports. we talked about it with an official from the white house at the top of the show. west virginia senator joe manchin in the last hour unveiling a bill that would do just that. >> energy is becoming a weapon of war. we've introduced a bill. it's been dropped, i think there's 18 of us, nine ds, nine rs, that basically bans the russians import energy act. >> they're said to spend $700 million on russian oil every day. i want to bring in nbc news capitol hill correspondent leigh ann caldwell. can you gut check us on the actual momentum behind this idea right now? >> reporter: it's getting more popular to say on capitol hill that they are in support of

banning crude oil and other petroleum products from russia. you have a lot of democrats also signing on to this. here is a couple things i do want to gut check you on as well. a lot of these members are from energy producing states, coal, oil, gas producing states. this could be an opportunity for them to increase their own production of fossil fuels in their states and also the amount that the u.s. actually imports from russia is relatively small. it's about 500,000 barrels of oil, petroleum and other sorts of fossil fuels. that's a very small percentage. so this is largely symbolic. i asked lawmakers about that today. senator murkowski of alaska whose state could benefit greatly from this admitted that it was symbolic, but that if other people are banning crude oil, if people from europe are, they stopped the nord stream 2 pipeline, then the u.s. should

do it as well. the other thing is that the administration can act unilaterally here. it doesn't need congress to do anything. so while this does seem to be gaining symbolic momentum, i'm not sure it's going to go anywhere. speaker pelosi did say that in theory she would support something like this, but congress isn't really necessary here, and it wouldn't have as much of an impact as lawmakers and people would like to think that it would. hallie. >> leigh ann caldwell live on capitol hill, thank you, for that breakdown, that reality check as always. appreciate it. let's talk about yachts. let's talk about super yachts, including some the size of apartment buildings that have already been seized in germany and france, blocking some of these sanctions -- a result blocking these oligarchs from accessing not their big nice boats nks but their money, art, penthouse apartments with the sanctions to be an indirect hit

to putin's power and money. we talked about the new sanctions announced by president biden in the last hour targeting these oligarchs. the history of these millionaires and billionaires is complex. locating their assets could be tricky. we take a look at who the oligarchs are and how they came to be in the first place. the modern russian oligarchs story starts in 1989. >> mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. >> the war fell and soon after in 1991 so did the soviet union. >> eastern europe is free. the soviet union itself is no more. this is a victory for democracy and freedom. >> the russian people saw huge political and economic change practically overnight. for most regular russians this seismic shift was chaotic. but for a select few businessmen known as oligarchs, they managed to rise to the top. the word itself is greek,

derived from oligarchy and means rule of the few. an oligarch is one of those few, with the state no longer controlling economic sectors, rich men who had been ginning wealth in russian businesses and and allegedly in the black market. oligarchs stood together to help boris yeltsin's re-election. infighting inside those elite circles helped bring in the russian financial crisis of 1998 which, in turn, helped the rise of vladimir putin. at the time the future president was a lieutenant colonel in the kgb reportedly gathering information on these oligarchs and the illegal ways they got rich. they largely stood in line with putin as he rose in the political ranks to prime minister and then to president. they've stayed in line. that may be changing. many of these oligarchs have investments in the west, some calling for negotiations to start as soon as possible, others calling for an end to the

war altogether. keeping an eye on those oligarchs targeted by sanctions. breaking news in the last couple minutes here. it's something -- i can't remember the last time i said on the air on live television which is, former president trump's lawyers agreeing with the new york attorney general. the new york attorney general who is investigating, this civil investigation into the trump organization. let me bring in nbc's tom winter. tom, that's unusual. explain the details here. >> well, it is unusual that there's any sort of agreement as you correctly said, hallie. not unusual in this particular instance as relates to what's going on legally. it was actually by today that the three trumps, the former president, donald jr., his son, and ivanka trump were supposed to testify as part of civil depositions in an ongoing civil investigation being led by the new york attorney general's office. they telegraphed immediately they would file an appeal and

did so on monday of this week. and as a result of that appeal being filed with the new york state first appellate division, the two sides came together and said, look, we're going to create issues for us if we try to move forward with this deposition, let's fast track the appellate process, the various legal motions and briefs that need to be filed, hopefully get a decision soon from the appellate court if they uphold the decision that's already been made, the trumps will need to sit for their depositions within 14 days of that decision. if for some reason the appellate decision rules the other way and determines this is going to be stayed until the end of the criminal investigation, being coordinated largely by the manhattan district attorney's office, then they'll obviously wait until that time period is over, and that's much more of a tbd than a specific date on that one, hallie. the bottom line is, at least going to be, we would suspect, based on the filings, another month or two before we get to a point whether or not we know they're going to have to sit for this deposition and whether or

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was pointing toward criminal charges. >> we're not out here for criminal charges. ours is just to get to the bottom of it. in terms of anything beyond that from a criminal perspective, that's up to doj, not us. >> eastman says the documents are protected by attorney-client privilege. i want to bring in nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. pete, the committee went to lengths to describe the exact crimes they think the former president committed. you heard kinzinger reference the doj's role. did that filing do the job? give me more on the process piece of this. >> yes and no. yes, there is a former referral process and no, this wasn't it. this was the committee's attempt to get at this material, as you note, that's privileged. as you say, eastman asserted attorney-client privilege. that doesn't apply to legal advice to somebody on how to commit a crime. the committee says don't count that privilege. there's evidence three crimes

were committed they say, obstructing an official proceeding, namely counting the electoral votes on january 6th, conspiracy to defraud the federal government and fraud, that is to say, making false representations. the committee here is referring to eastman's repeated efforts to try to get the vice president to refuse to count the electoral votes from those seven states that trump insisted that he won. eastman had written memos about this and met with the vice president on it and said repeatedly the vice president should do that or at least as a fallback call for a ten-day delay in counting the votes. of course, neither the constitution or the federal law, the federal counted act aloes for those things. it says the evidence supports an inference that president trump and members of his campaign knew that he had not won enough legitimate state electoral votes to be declared the winner. so none of these things that are cited by the committee as

potential crimes involve conduct that we didn't know about. to some extent, they sort of repeat what's publicly known, although in a few cases, they add to the narrative here with some information that they've got from doing their own interviews. >> pete williams breaking that down for us. pete, thank you for that explanation. appreciate it. >> sure. now to a new rare interview with one of the most popular trans athletes, lirksia thomas responding to conservative critics. known for smashing records left and right and being one of the most well known of transgender rights. she's talking about how critics affected her mental health and saying i want to show trans kids and younger trans athletes that they're not alone, they don't have to choose between who they are and the sport they love. joining us is cyd zeigler.

she hasn't spoken publicly on a national platform about her role in this discussion. >> this is only the second time that she's spoken publicly about this. mike takeaway from the "sports illustrated" article is how well the writer put forward the humanity that this conversation involves, the humanity of lia and her struggles, how "sports illustrated" respectfully addressed some of the concerns that parents and different teammates and other coaches have expressed. you mentioned that the attacks from conservatives she's been getting, this is not a left or right issue. many of the people who are leading the charge to change policies and further restrict trans athletes are some of the greatest advocates for women, are feminists, are on the far left.

so this debate is not easily divided left and right. unfortunately this young woman is stuck in the middle of it. despite her incredible success, it's affecting her emotionally. >> you reference how we've only heard from few times. one is did a podcast with swim swam podcast and speaks to what you are talking about. the experience of competing as a transathlete. >> but in continuing to swim after transitioning, has been an incredibly rewarding -- >> what is next for her? graduating this spring. talk through that path. >> she has the ncaa championships in a couple weeks. depending on what happens there this conversation may quiet for

a bit or explode and lia thomas in the public eye is not going away. the article talks about her wanting to compete at the 2024 olympic games. given the rules and the times she has a great shot and not 0 the only transathlete emerging on the world stage. this conversation is not going to end and i hope that all of us can give some humanity that "sports illustrated" and the writer showed everyone in the conversation as we have got to stop screaming at each other if we have a solution to live with. >> you say not left to right but ten states banned transathletes in sports. how does that affect transathletes? how do you see the initiatives and the passage around the country? >> ten or 12 years ago writing

about this i felt that transwomen -- wasn't fair to be in the mens sports and as i have learned and read a lot of studies talking to people and learned what lia talked about. just how much it means to these girls and women to compete and i am completely against and most people i talk to who are engaged in this conversation are against banning transgirls particularly in high school and formative years from expressing themselves on the court or the track. 100% right. that's driven by right-wing conservatives. most of us who are thoughtful about this and looking for a pathway to make sure that trans women and girls are included in sports. what that path looks like,

that's a conversation we are in the middle of. >> there's a political element as you note, sid. >> no question. let me be clear. the republicans and the conservatives, they are taking this and making it a political issue. on the issue of how to include trans athletes there are people who have different perspectives and the more we quiet down and listen to each other and respect each other we can have real conversations. the right wing is turning this into a circus and doesn't have to be. >> sid, thank you so much for that conversation. now back to the white house where president biden announced as you saw on the air a new round of sanctions of russian oligarchs. mark memoli is at the white house.

we heard from richard engel about the conversations with the ukrainian president. we have a discussion of banning russian oil imports. you laid out why the white house wouldn't want to do that and looking for mike memoli on screen that a white house official we spoke with said the door is not shut no anything. >> reporter: yeah. i think this is a really an issue that we have seen throughout the process as the white house is unveiling sanctions and sanctions with the european ally that is go further than anticipated and want to do everything they can in unison with the european allies. there's an idea that the strength of sanctions if it's the u.s. alone won't have the same impact without the european allies. this is where the pressure is so interesting because as the time is laying out russian oil imports is a small fraction of

what u.s. consumers take in. that the numbers are actually somewhere between 8 and 10% of the oil consumed in the u.s. is russian oil. that's not the case in europe. you know that. what the white house is confronting is a willingness on capitol hill to take this step. we heard that speaker pelosi and joe manchin and not seeing that same interest on the part of the european allies who would feel a much, much heavier impact without russian oil available to them. the white house is trying to mitigate the impact and heard the president talk aumpbl about trying to find other sources of oil to bring them to the region, to find oil and natural gas but still a long process so i think when you hear and so interesting to hear the adviser speaking with you to say it's on the table compared to the signals

from the white house earlier and bringing european allies on board and then maybe take that step. >> thank you. thank you for watching this hour of the show. we'll have highlights and then in an hour on nbc news now 5:00 eastern. see you there then. "deadline: white house" starts after this quick break.

♪♪ hi there, everyone. 4:00 in new york. a grim milestone as the war in ukraine enters the second week. 1 million people fled the country including half a million children. million more people displaced and on the move within ukraine. russian forces are ramping up attacks on civilians and while ukrainians are quote fighting with extraordinary skill and courage against russian forces as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff general milley put it today the darkest days of the invasion lie ahead. kharkiv is site of