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on the spy plant is so concerning. >> this is unprecedented. the nuclear power plant has never come under direct attack. international conventions to private such attacks. this is yet another violation of international law, and international norms by russia. >> let's go right to cal perry in lviv, ukraine. cal, we know you're not in the same areas the plant, we are following the story, would you know? >> yes, at this hour, understanding the pond is secure. as you said, the fire in a essential equipment or security, i want to sign it took 40 people and ten vehicles now for the ukrainian special services to put out the fire. the fire now, we understand, was in a training building behind the plant. but, look, not less alarming when you look at the video and you see that consistent, sustained fire on the planet. the other thing is, there's

nothing to guarantee that there will not be a russian counterattack. within this time and time again, in fact 24 hours ago, there were two russian tanks, two armed carriers, and it took civilian standing in the road to stop them from progressing. they came back 12 hours later, and we saw the sustained firefight. just in the last few minutes, we're hearing from the united kingdom's prime minister saying that last night's events, or the events of just a few hours ago, by putting the entire continent at risk. it's similar words from the ukrainian president. we see video from telegram saying it's time for europe to, quote, wake up. we've seen sustained attacks on civilian areas in the past 24 hours, especially in the northern part of the country, where the sunni region is saying, there is hell on earth. there's no power, no water, no heat, as civilians continue to bear the brunt of this war, stephanie? >> cal perry, thank you, would that, let's bring our experts. tom nichols, professor at the

naval war college at harvard extension school. and michael mcfaul, former u.s. ambassador to russia, and then msnbc international affairs analyst. tom, what sticks out to you tonight and what we're learning about this? >> one of the things that is very striking to me is, that the intention here wants to destroy it, somehow. my guess is they're trying to capture that part of the grid, shut off the electricity, and people have to remember that if there were a disaster at the spa and, most of that would actually blow into russia. because of the way the winds go. so, once again, the thing i'm struck by is the recklessness and incompetence of the russians in this iron fisted attempts to seize ukraine and intimidate its people. i don't think, at this point, the goal was to destroy this plant. but, this is classic russian

military playbook. the classic russian military playbook of being completely reckless around very dangerous things like nuclear plants. >> and, we just had word moments ago that the fire has now been completely extinguished. that is an enormous relief. peter, whether or not the fire is extinguished now, the broader picture, where does this attack tell you about the kremlin strategy for war, now, where they're going? >> this reminds us that the kremlin doesn't play by the same rulebook that other countries do. that, the united states goes to war, there are rules, and sometimes they're violated, and sometimes you have consequences that could go wrong. but they're at least supposed to be rules about the kind of targets that you can hit. precision weapons, nuclear plant obviously would be on the no hit list.

for a normal country, for russia, ignorant by intent, or by accident, or by incompetence, that was in the case. it just shows how dangerous this war really is. how quickly it got out of hand. something unintended, or at least, unimaginable could occur at any moment. and i think that's a reminder of the russian way. and i think the previous hour, we talked about chechnya and grozny. thousand grozny in the report after the end of the second world war, and they destroyed the count. that was the capital, and it was revolting against moscow. they covered bonded worse than anything that anybody has seen in europe since world war ii. and we see that kind of brutality there. we see it here. and we're already seeing it in ukraine. >> then, ambassador, to peter's point, we shouldn't be surprised to see vladimir putin breaking international norms. but when we sit here and say, this could constitute war crimes. this is unprecedented.

or yesterday when the un general assembly condemned this, urged to russia to change course. does any of this matter? are we speaking a language that need means nothing to vladimir putin? he was never in it for the norms. >> great point. you know, after world war ii, we wrote down our lot of norms. we created the un security council. one of the norms was, thou shall not annexed the territory of thy neighbor, because that's the way world war ii started, if you recall, throughout taxation. and sure enough, he did that in 2014. he did it again just a couple of weeks ago. and then, and unprovoked war with no threat whatsoever to russia from ukraine. that reminds me, september 1st 1989. you're absolutely right, he doesn't care about the norms, but i know about the other part of the way russia fights. which is reckless. we keep using the words,

precision guided missiles. maybe they are not so precise in the russian arsenal as we think they are. i'm not convinced that they were trying to attack this plant. this could be something else. we need to be careful. we're all guessing that we know than tensions of what happened here. but the reckless part, we have a lot of evidence of, and the terrorist, part we have a lot of evidence of. peter was, and witnessed, go everybody and google the photos of chechnya 1989, 2000, and then add to your search, aleppo, in 2016, and you'll see with the russians did their, deliberately, which is terrorizing civilians to try to bring them into submission. and tragically, i think that's the chapter we have now entered with putin's war against ukraine. >> then, ambassador, this recklessness that you speak of, well who pays the price for us? as it putin? because it's ukrainians who are less running for their lives

and losing them. >> of course, ukrainians first and foremost. second, everybody, go look at them up, look at where this power plant is, and how close it is. as tom said, to russia, it's a lot closer to russia than it is to poland. so, obviously, disregard for his own people. and remember, a lot of the cdc is attacking now in the east, they are predominantly russian speakers and ethnic russians. as there are a lot of rush russian speakers in kyiv as well. so he has no disregard even for his own people. the big question i think you are handing out, will there be some moments in the course of this war where, because of sanctions, because of discussed with this war back home in russia, the deal actually try to do something about it. and of course, we don't know the answer to that, but this will out of the debate. there's no doubt in my mind, it already is on my twitter feed. i tweet in russian quite a bit these days.

there is already people saying, what are we doing here? this is crazy. and those are russian saying the, not just ukrainians. >> tom, do we dismiss, do many people dismiss the impact of sanctions too quickly? you can see sanctions, you don't see it in the street. but what it's actually doing to russia, to the russian economy, it's strangling them. we are engaging in warfare, economic warfare. >> the problem with sanctions is, they can't bring in immediate and the military activity. i think people expect too much from sanctions and that sense. war breaks out, we post sanctions, and we assume that the enemy in this case will just say, well, we've been sanction, i guess you have to suppose doing what we're doing. sanctions take a lot of time to work. i think americans have an almost undue faith in sanctions. with that said, sanctions can

impose a huge amount of pain on the people that putin has thought of as the under bosses he relies on. although, it should all be pointed out that some of the oligarchs that are being sanctioned are not people putin particularly cares about. and, the russian people who are under the sanctions, putin doesn't care about them at all. but, the sanctions are really important in that, for those people out there that are worried, rightly, that putin can seek a wider war. this is really undermining's ability to continue. this myers down, it blocks down as economy, which undermines his ability to make war. it undermines his ability to have a stable home front, so sanctions do have a lot of impact. they just don't have the immediate impact that people wish they would have, and that they wish they could immediately see in some kind of

immediate situation of hostilities. >> but there is immediate suffering. we're looking at it, we look at images on the left side of your screen right now. because of that, how much pressure is this white house under to do more? >> well, i think it's under enormous pressure, obviously. these pictures are devastating. this kind of demonstration in the heart of europe's heartbreaking. it's tragic, and it has an impact, of course here at home. there's a lot of mood in america right now. it's not very interesting as an overseas issue. it's not our problem, it's somebody else's problem, and it's challenging for us. it isn't just other peoples problem. why does impact and mean something to america, even though the bombs are falling so many miles away. he is, in fact, has made a point in the last nine days of catching up, day by day, the pressure. each day, squeezing even further on russia. tom's right, it hasn't had

impact on immediate actions being taken by russia, but it is having an impact, absolutely in russia. ukrainians are suffering more than anybody. what's also going to happen as a result, is that russia itself is going to be cut off from the rest of the world. tens of millions of russians, didn't want this war, now they are facing a country where little freedom they had left has been squashed even further. where their ability to leave the country is being cut off. their ability to live in part of the world is being cut off. they are retreating again behind an iron curtain. and that is consequences for the rest of the world, as well, not just for russia itself, because suddenly they are more isolated, more of a pariah state, imagine if north korea was on the scale. 11 time zones, and with the nuclear all arsenal in the capacity that russia has. that's not good for double security. so there's a lot of consequences coming out of the. and there's a lot for the

future in terms of an immediate crisis on the ground, which is devastating. isolated from information as well. ambassador, earlier today when we heard from russia, from putin saying things are going exactly as planned. we obviously know that's not the case. but is he saying that because he speaking to the russian people who have such limited information in a country where the government controls the media, that they have no idea what's happening in ukraine? >> yes and no. there was two giant events that happened just within the last 24 hours, that has enough attention about this. the number one independent television station was taken off the air. and the iconic apps of russ herrera -- also was shut down. one of the most important services of independent news in russia. so both of those happen in a day. that was not a coincidence.

putin is worried about news. and by the way, i was on both those programs just within the last five days. they don't want people like me talking about this war in russian. and he cut them off. at the same time, it's a demographic thing. the older you are, the more rural place you live, the less educated you are, the more likely you are to listen to putin's national television stations. and when you say that people are watching those clips of people being interviewed, they will say this is the right thing to do. we have to eliminated nazis just as we did before. so there's a much bigger deny in russian culture, in the way that they perceive this war. >> in all of your u.s. tv, but to this point, you have been on russian tv. -- >> and ukrainian tv. >> are you worried about your own safety?

>> well i was also on ukrainian tv, and i really appreciate -- by the way i appreciate the way ukrainians are on your show tonight. these are people i know. i think the ukrainian voice in this debate needs to be louder here in our country. so people can understand, and listen to what they're doing. i really applaud that. i was on tv today with ukrainian journalists podcasting from the big television station. that big power in the middle of kyiv. that was literally just beyond, i think 24 hours ago. right next to bobby -- i can't remember. the time is all blending to me. so it's important to think about my security, when those people are being brave and trying to brave information in their country. the least i can do is to participate in the discussions in ukraine. but especially in russia. my ukrainian friends, they say please, please, please help us.

get the message of what's happening on the ground here in ukraine, into the people of russia. >> well you're certainly getting the message across here. peter, i see you nodding your head. you lived in moscow. do you want to elaborate? >> no, i think it's exactly right. to see that the crowd falling in on russians is tragic. they are going to be shut off from information. the russians who are paying attention may not want this war. their freedom, and their lives, in some ways are in protest against it. there's talk about legislation in the russian parliament that would punish people who protest and punish the russian people. there are people who are telling stories about the police knocking on their door, saying that we hear you are against the government. this is not just a free country under putin to begin with. but increasingly, small bits of

three them are still there. at the same time, he knows that if the russian people as a whole had access to free information, this is something they would want to see. these are their smiling -- . they, the ukraine has as a part of the family. and to see their own children, their own sons, shooting at their slavic brothers is something that would devastate a lot of russians if they saw what was going on right now. >> don, before we move on. we were talking about different support to offer ukraine. when natal offers weapons and support, get technical with us, how does it get there? who organizes it? especially since so much of what's happening in ukraine is run by civilians. we keep hearing it's a race against time to get supplies. but who is running this race? >> before i talk about that and even if i knew the exact way the weapons were getting there, not saying that something i want to talk about. but there is something really

important to put out. and something that mike and peter just said. this generational divide. the first time, in the former serbian union was a few years ago. and you can see the country like that. putin doesn't understand. you cannot seal off the russian federation from the rest of the world. from pictures, and from information, and from telephones, and communication. he could try. he wishes was the soviet union from a few years ago. but i don't think he's gonna be successful in that. there are -- the country is not under some kind of russian occupation or embargo. this is still people, and weapons between its neighbors and other places in europe. so there is a lot of different ways that weapons can get their. but we are not at the point yet of some kind of, russian cuba like quarantine. where they're sealed off. we keep talking about russian

control of areas in the ukraine. but i want to emphasize that right now russia are occupying's. they don't -- get this is not -- we have to be careful about sue making too much about what the russians are capable of. it's not like they're going time after town, and the locals are saying you when! you run the city! that's not happening. the russians are basically marching in, and trying to control the streets and the highways that they are on. mostly for their own safety. >> tom nichols, peter baker, ambassador michael mcfaul. thank you all so much for coming back and staying up late with us. we're gonna now turn to the big story we're following right now. the flow of refugees out of ukraine. more than 1 million forces free their homes. let's go back to allie velshi at the train station in budapest. who are you talking to? it appears they have the

clothes on the back, a suitcase or two. do they think that they will be going back to the ukraine anytime soon? do they plan to be gone indefinitely? >> that is a really good question. i spoke to the people who seem very hopeful that they will go back in a month, in three months. some are relocating. some of them go home to countries that they came from. people who are not from the ukraine, who have been there studying, and visas. some have family. in eastern europe, there are people with connections to different places like eastern hungary, poland, romania, germany. so they're gonna go home with some of their relatives. most people have gone, but since we last talked there are some people looking for some final plans to how to get to places. you can see here, people with the red cross, there are church groups helping people out. i will be clear, stephanie. there is no official government presence here at all. there are police that have been very helpful, but they are just full of has police. there is no government presence

here at all. these are hungarian civilians who have come out here. >> how do they organize? >> they've got to dominate donations. i've asked several times tonight. there is self organizing. no one is running this organization. this is various groups with transportation, with food, with medical needs. someone here did not have a euro to via plane ticket and somebody walked up out of nowhere with a wallet ahead train tickets, they said where they're going, there showed them on their phone. and they walk them to where they need to go. there is a sign over there that's a warming bus. if you don't have a place to go, it's cold, the sun is just come up. but there are buses just to wait on while you get warm. there's hot soup they are giving out to people. there's tea, there's hot chocolate, there's food. and none of this makes up for the fact that some of the country is being invaded. but in sault of this despair and horrible mess, there is

some strength of the human spirit and warnings in people who are coming out here to help strangers they don't know. the -- 30 only different route languages. but there are people out here who see that this is wrong, and are just trying to help their fellow people. it's not gonna stop the war, it's not gonna help people who are displaced from their home. it doesn't matter how nice the hungarians are to them. they sought to leave their homes. you see the images. they're crying, they're desperate, stand, stunned. but there are people who have come out here and said come into my home, come into my country. let's do what we can to make this a little bit right in the horrible mess that we're seeing. >> i'm sorry to tell you mr. velshi, you're mistaken. there is one organizing force behind this. they're being led by love! >> yeah. >> ali velshi, stay close. love, compassion, and humanity, leaving the way?

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service said tonight service said tonight officials said, the fire broke out in a training compound behind the plans. we are joined now to discuss by alexandra, a ukrainian member of parliament. she joins us from washington dc. thank you so much for joining us very late this evening, likely tell us about the situation at the plant? >> well, all i know about that as was reported, that the fire was stopped. but unfortunately, to be honest,

well we have been telling to the world's might gonna happen one day. we have four nuclear plans. one of them is totally occupied by the russians already. it's chernobyl, that everybody probably knows about. one is in his upper iija, one of the biggest factories in europe. unfortunately, we cannot control the russian missiles, and that's why we keep telling the world. we need a no fly zone and shut down the sky, because otherwise, one of the rockets or missiles is going to have the nuclear stations, and this is going to be the world's next disaster. >> you didn't evacuate, you happen to be in the united states traveling on the war broke out. what does this like for you, despite how dangerous of this. the some part of you actually want to be there right now? >> yes, actually, the first day

i saw when putin invaded, idol miles benign to go back home. and his first question was, how? we have all the airports, they are already bombed to ashes. there is no wait even come back home. and, i'm supposed to have a baby in a month. you know, there is one dream that i have, that this baby sees their homeland, and sees what's look looks like one day. >> so, how do you think you're going to get home? >> i don't know, at the moment. but i know for sure we are going to win, because i remember the first days when the war started, everybody was saying the phrase, if we win. today everybody says, when we win. so, it is a matter of time. unfortunately, it's a matter of lives. how many lives have to be put down there. first of all, for the united

states, for nato, and for other countries that they signed the treaty with us, when we give up our nuclear weapons, then they would step in and support us in our fight for freedom. unfortunately, we give up our weapons 20 years ago, a little bit more than 20 years ago. and, today, when we are in danger. when our civilian population is being -- let's be honest, executed in front of the whole world. because the whole world is watching, 24/7, how ukrainians are being killed. how their cities are being erased. now, when we need help, the international community does not want to step in and support us with basic equipment to shut down the sky. which is called a no fly zone. the iron dome, or the russian airplanes they cannot go

through the green space. putin became crazy. he's a cycle. in the first two days, he was shooting the airports, the army bases. now he's shooting exactly the civilian objects. and you can see it right now, on the screens, because he wants us to lose as many lives as we can so that the government and the president sit down at the table for negotiations. he doesn't know ukrainians. it's not gonna happen. we're gonna fight the last blood. but, we are not giving up our freedom. and unfortunately, so far, the world's response was very weak. everybody keeps talking about the sanctions. well, the sanctions were partial. we were asking for sanctions for their banks. and unfortunately, if you look at the swift that was switched off, it was switched off only for seven, out of 300 banks in russia. which means that counts will be relocated to another bank. if you look at the sanctions on

their economy sectors. it would be the energy sector, which is the main pocket for putin. we saw sanctions on all of dark's today, but for some reason, roman abramovich, who is a very close ally to putin, who owns chelsea football club and has a lot of companies here in the united states. he has three steel companies in the united states. he's not on the sanction list. so we keep begging the world to be stronger in their reaction. but unfortunately, so far, we see that everybody's trying to protect their economies that are worth more than ukrainian lives. >> alexandra, perhaps joe biden, the president is watching. what is your message to him? >> please, support ukrainian children, women who are dying right now, thousands of them i directional. we need a no fly zone just to

protect our civilian population. we don't need people to fight for us on the ground. we don't need american or nato soldiers. we can do it on our own, and we had already proved it, against one of the biggest -- but if you don't shut down the sky, and don't help us with this equipment, ukrainians are literally going to be executed in front of the whole world. >> and what is your message to vladimir putin? >> i don't want to phrase it. i can just say exactly the same things that our soldiers that. and one day, this criminal cycle will be responsible and will die for everything he is done to the world. >> wow. alexandra, thank you so much for joining us tonight, i really appreciate it, and good luck to you. >> thank you. >> when we come back, more on the attack on the nuclear plant in southern ukraine when the 11th hour continues. southern ukraine when the 11th hour continues. 11th hour continues. ♪ got my heart ♪ ♪ got my soul ♪ ♪ got my mouth ♪

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southwestern ukraine where a fire at a nuclear power plant has been put out. i want to go to nbc's raf brand says. we know information vacuum people in russia are in. are they aware of what's happening tonight at this bar plant? >> so, stephanie, no response from the kremlin yet. it's a little after a 30 in the morning. we normally get a daily briefing from dimitri bass golf, vladimir putin's longtime

spokesman. out about midday, but people here in all because of what they're seeing in russian state media, which in some ways in this entire war has been our best window to figure out with the kremlin once. and state media has been consistently playing down the facts that there isn't a fire burning outside the largest nuclear power plant in europe. they have not been making much of a connection between the fighting and the fire. they are certainly not acknowledging that it looks like it was russian fire that caused this. at one point, they actually quoted jennifer granholm, the u.s. energy secretary saying, we're not seeing any alarming levels of radiation. that is not something russian state media normally does, quoting american officials of sources of authority. but in this one instance, was a member of joe biden's cabinet was saying lined up with whatever the kremlin wanted the russian people to hear. so they went ahead with it. president zelenskyy did speak

with boris johnson the british prime minister, as well as president biden tonight. the british are calling for an emergency meeting of the un security council in light of this fighting outside of the parkland. the british prime minister said, the reckless acts and the president putin could now endanger all of europe. stephanie? >> why wouldn't they want to own up to it. they were actively shutting the plant. is it because we just had the map of their, that power plant is very close to russia. if there was radiation, and the winds were blowing in one direction rather than the other, it could be dangerous to the russian people. is that why they don't want to admit it? >> i think that definitely could be part of it. memories of chernobyl are strong here. i think another part of this, stephanie, is that russian people are being told to have today this is a limited military operation in the east of ukraine to protect the russian speakers there. they are not being told the reality. this is a sprawling invasion of

ukraine across multiple fronts. this power plant, it is close to russia, but it's also far from these two breakaway republics that the russian media are saying are the source of the reason that the forces inside ukraine. and there is a general unwillingness to admit to the russian people quite how big this war has become. quite how difficult it is to see how vladimir putin is going to wrap this up and get his forces out. stephanie? >> raf, thank you so much, this russian attack on the nuclear plant, the fire may be extinguished, but history is a lot of concerns. let's bring in our experts joining us now, frank, former fbi director. the author of the book, the fbi way, and the host of the podcast, the bureau, joe reuben. from deputies assistant secretary of state. frank, the danger of the attack has passed, at least in the

short term. but what's your take away from tonight when you think about putin's recklessness? >> no question stephanie, very reckless. very anxiety producing. you need only look across social media tonight to see americans reactions. in fact, global reactions to this. but i can also see this, stephanie, as a teachable moment. when i look at the video we have gotten our hands on. i saw this through the lens of my experience and training, domestically here in the hole and with regard to defending and protecting against attacks to existing nuclear power facilities in the united states. what i saw on my screen was not would look like if you are trying to penetrate, to try to do catastrophic damage, to try to release a meltdown. what i saw tonight was an attempt to either take over that facility because of its obvious strategic importance for power or to simply have

them powered up, and no more heat tomorrow for ukraine. and send a message, it's a unclear quite frankly where the russian troops of gun. with this is all about but i did see that they were panicking because this is a teachable moment. i can assure you, that number one, an external attack against a nuclear power plant here, and this is really true around the world, would be resisted fiercely by every federal resource and 24/7 robust security, guarantee of the. number two, it's extremely hard to do catastrophic damage via external attack to a very hard and nuclear power facility. internal, sabotage, mishap, a chernobyl accident, you bet. external attack, extremely difficult. so that's what i saw tonight. joel, you have been involved in several white house briefings

on this crisis in ukraine. take us tomorrow. well tonight's attack on this power plant, will it change the calculation, the position this white house is taking? >> stephanie, the white house is very measured in the way that it's dealing with this situation as well as with vladimir putin's threat about advancing the nuclear wars tactic. this is a crossing of the rubicon. what vladimir putin did by having his hands showing a nuclear facility is violating international law, violating his commitment to ensure that there would not be attacks on a nuclear facility that is of civilian use, and so, he's kind of cross the rubicon and put us into a whole other zone of strategy. now, he's probably trying to scare and terrorize, clearly, the ukrainian civilians cut off their power.

creating -- civilians will have some kind of victory because he's feeling in the battlefield. but this is a different level of fear. there are nuclear -- all over the united states. there are also 37 in china, 38 in russia. this bus is open. and it has been tonight, it is hard to put it back in. and that is a very deep danger to go to security. and something that we should not take lightly. >> joe, frank, thank you for joining us this evening. i appreciate it. coming up, millions of children are breaking up. day nine in the middle of a war. some in a war zone, others, thousands of miles from home. we'll be speaking to one of the people trying to help with this refugee crisis. refugee crisis

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children all at risk. i want to bring in james elder, he is a spokesman for unicef. the agency that helps children worldwide. his agency, tonight, or in the morning where you are, james, you have dealt with crisis situations all around the world. put in perspective what it's like for ukraine right now for all these kids who don't know war. >> certainly we have never seen the speed and sweetness of seven and a half million boys and girls having to flee the country. many others fleeing home across the country. there are bunker ease, people have told me there are terrified. their parents fleeing to a no conflict zone. it's simply gut-wrenching. >> for families who can't get out, what do we know about them? can you help them inside the ukraine? >> yes. yes we can. we have supplies come in across the border almost as you and i speak. a convoy of medical supplies. facilities --

water supplies, even child protection experts who are dealing with trauma. but let's not forget, there is some children who simply can't. i was in a children's hospital here in ukraine yesterday. we have babies, boys and girls on trips. it is difficult to get out of their conflict. they're -- the missile stopped. >> how do you think hospitals, when i look at these images, you hear about hospitals now treating their patients in basements. how do they keep it clean and sterile? >> it's very difficult. i have to say that the relentless work of pediatricians and doctors that i've seen here is extraordinary. but those setups are very difficult. they do everything they can, they even have a system whereby children come in and put -- to see the criticality. the bad dad says very very bad.

the yellow means priority q. so this is what conflicts are to look like. so it could be when it comes to sabotage and, because they're experts and they're working 24/7. but it is not possible to get it all, as it should look for a child who needs emergency of medical treatment. >> what are those children telling you, when you speak to their mothers? >> it's heartbreaking. i've had hundreds of conversations, people are very willing to speak. they do not want to leave their country. they love their home and family. it's hard to have a conversation where after a few sentences they're not in tears. they're stressed. maybe in a bunker. so they're just telling us they want this to stop. children sometimes sleep a lot more. sometimes they cry a lot more. sometimes it's the child who grabs the mom's leg and says it is going to be okay. so it is all matters of things. but it is trauma that will stay with children, along with this

conflict as it continues. and that's -- some of the ukraine ones. another nation of children who come to learn conflict. who are out of school, and no wooden air raids are. i must flee my bed. i must go to a bunker. that's not childhood! >> when were you -- in ukraine? >> almost a week ago. i walked across the border from romania into ukraine and crotch transport up here into lviv. it's a central point about 50 miles now from home. >> you walked across the border, and over the span of a week it is gotten extraordinarily worse. what is it been like for you? did you think it would be this bad? >> now. i honestly didn't. as i said, we've never seen this in history. the scale and speed of half 1 million kids. no i didn't. it's dramatic, you -- . it's very hard to hear so many

people having their hearts broken, having their lives turned upside down. losing their power, control. our job is to be here. it's to hug a mom. get inspiration about what i see you in or -- people are taking people for train stations to give them a bed for the night. that warms and keeps a scoring. but our jobs is to be here. and hope. hope that this. the fighting stops. the conflicts ops. these children and their families get moments. and they get to stay in their country. >> james, you are doing a lot more than giving a hug. james elder, thank you. and for you at home who would like to support u.s. staff and do it you can. please, go to unicef, hyphen usa dot org. please remember. if you need help asked for it. but if you can give help, please give it! and right now there are millions of people on the other

side of the world that need ours. thank you so much for staying up late with me. i will see you at the end of the day tomorrow. alicia menendez taking up breaking news the other side of this break. this break even in a little seedling. which, when turned into fuel, can help power a plane. at chevron's el segundo refinery, we're looking to turn plant-based oil into renewable gasoline, jet and diesel fuels. our planet offers countless sources of energy. but it's only human to find the ones that could power a better future.