international law out right. we can tell you the international criminal court opened an investigation into the same alleged war crimes that would be inside ukraine against innocent civilians there. that was one more update. thanks for spending time with us on "the beat." i wish you a good and safe weekend. "the reidout" is up next with tiffany cross. >> thank you. have a great weekend. i'll pick it up from here. i'm tiffany cross in for joy reid tonight. we begin in ukraine where the situation on the ground is increasingly dire as russian forces continue their invasion from the north, east and south. this comes as civilian deaths continue to mount from russian selling multi launch rocket systems and air strikes. ukraiians have been under assault for days as russia continues to bomb the city knocking out power, water, and heating supplies. now, this prevents residents

from fleeing. one official said the city is on the brink of humanitarian disaster. with the southern city of kherosn under attack, according the a senior u.s. defense official 92% of russia's prestaged military is in ukraine. the massive armored column threatening kyiv remains stalled. reports that the 40 mile long convey has been halted by ukrainian forces. take a listen. >> we also have indications that the ukrainians have struck the convey elsewhere and on their own -- on vehicles. we do believe that the actions by the ukrainians have in fact stalled that convoy and certainly slowed it down, stopped it in some places but we

also think that, you know, that it's also of a piece of russian challenges that they've had just in terms of their own physical ground movement, sustainment, logistics. they're running out of fuel and food for their soldiers. >> the talks with ukraine have not moved forward. vice president kamala harris is scheduled to travel to poland and romania next week. meanwhile russian troops seized, seized a nuclear power brant in ukraine. this is the largest in europe. this is after a middle of the night attack set part of the plant on fire and immediately raised global fears of a nuclear catastrophe. the u.n. held an emergency meeting to discuss the attack and condemn the escalation. linda thomas greenfield warned the world narrowly, narrowly averted a major disaster. take a listen. >> by the grace of god, the world narrowly averted a nuclear

catastrophe last night. we all waited to exhale as we watched the horrific situation unfold in realtime. >> during the meeting, ukraine's ambassador urged for a ban on all flights over ukrainian air space but secretary of state antony blinken pushed back noting a no fly zone could lead to a full fledged war in europe. in a late night address volodymyr zelenskyy visibly angry slammed nato for refusing the no fly zone saying all the people who die from this day forward will also die because of you. you have to see him to understand the anger. take a look. [speaking foreign language]. >> meanwhile, nato secretary general confirmed reports that russia has deployed cluster bombs. in a statement g 7 foreign

ministers responded saying those responsible for the indiscriminate assaults on innocent civilians must be held accountable for war crimes. let get into it. joining me now, nbc news correspondent cal perry is live in lviv ukraine. i want to start with you, cal. you're in kyiv and i want to paint the picture for our viewers of what we've seen. the scenes coming out of ukraine are scary. there are scenes that blanketed our screens with severe casualties. three schools were shelled. a nuclear power plant under control. paint the scene for what it's like in lviv right now for our viewers. >> well, look, where i am in the western part of the country, this is a city that's dealing with a refugee crisis. a city that is reflective of the violence through crowds of people lost, confused, shocked by what they're seeing in places

like kyiv and places in the eastern part of the country and in the eastern part of the country, as you've laid out, we're seeing russians be checked off and start shelling them indiscriminately or targeting civilians that according to the u.s. state department and this is a russian tactic that we've seen. it's something people in this country feared was coming and it now seems to have arrived. we saw this in chechnya in 2000 and syria a couple years ago. when you listen to the pentagon briefing and we hear the discussions about russian columns being bogged down and supply chains being bogged down and hit, these columns are slowing down but not stopping. we're seeing this play out. it's leaving people here wondering if kyiv is going to be remembered like aleppo and you have to remember in this part of the country where i am, men are dropping families off at the

border and returning to the fight, some of them with no military experience, some civilians not part of this military and that is who is fighting this war. not wanting to start a wider conflict, the reality is without a new fly zone, you have say zil -- civilians fighting against the russian army and civilians will pay the heaviest price. >> i want to ask and get clear for the viewers, how far is this convey from the capitol. >> reporter: it's still 40 kilometers from kyiv. it's on the other side of the country from where i am. that's so unnerving for people that fled the violence in the east is they come to a place where i'm in lviv supposed to be safe and the fall back position

for civilians. there aren't any air strikes but an indication people in this country who didn't think there would be a war a week and a half ago are terrified the entire country will be engulfed in violence, tiffany. >> that's quite a scary scene, cal. i want to bring you in, ben. we've seen the protests all across russia, people have been arrested risking their lives protesting. paint the scene what is happening there this evening. >> reporter: here the situation is much different than any other parts of the country but very minimal. odessa is a city that has one

of the biggest ports in the country and the third largest city in the nation. why it's so important for russia to take is economically, if they control the port pay have a huge cutoff from the ukraine government but if they take the city, they control the south of the country being able to move forces easily in and out of the water is a big move for them. one could argue that one of the reasons they pushed to take crimea in 2014 is similar in just being able to control the south. now as kharkiv is being bombed and kyiv is being attacked so regularly, a place like odessa is preparing. when you walk through the streets and talk with people, still calm. people are still going out, just today i met somebody who had just come from the dentist. the dentist was still open. but there is an under current of fear. they're setting up hedgehogs, which are anti tank defenses around the city. these people are volunteers are all going to the beaches where kids used to play packing these

sand bags to distribute around the city at check points and building up deployments to defense. so it's tense. you can feel soon these problems will start but for now, while we're waiting for them to start, there is a sense of life has to go on and the preparations have to continue. >> as you were talking, our viewers were able to see the scenes of people there preparing for an impending battle. stay safe and we'll check back in if there is any breaking news. thank you so much. i want to bring in a "news week" editor and former fbi double agent and author of "how to catch a russian spy." very happy to have you here this morning. these are very scary scenes we see coming out of ukraine. you know, i'm trying to look at this from president zelenskyy's point from his perspective and, you know, he's visibly angry with nato, as you just saw and

you understand that because it was two weeks ago when he was standing on the world stage saying hey, i got 200,000 troops at my border and the world needs to help. what should we be doing for ukraine now? because i have to tell you for people that don't wake up and read eight papers before the sunrise, it looks like the world is standing by watching as we watch putin lay waste to these cities where women and children and families live. >> you're absolutely right. it's a terrible situation. it's already a human tragedy unfolding and i think president biden specifically is tasked with a really almost impossible task and that is to help the people of ukraine, to support president zelenskyy but also to keep the u.s. and frankly, nato out of a war with russia. you know, this is a real challenge. we've heard a lot about no fly zones, president zelenskyy asked the u.s. and nato and both refused. it's important to understand if we send combat troops while they're on the ground or within

the air, they're going to come in conflict with russian forces and that is undoubtedly going to lead to escalation of war between the two countries. we can't do that. our question what can be done? this is something we've reported on quite a bit. we have quite a strong feeling there is a gray area for covert action. that is to say u.s. military, if you had the cia to help ukraine, not just with weapons but to do things that allow for plausible deniability and this is perhaps the greatest area where the u.s. and perhaps nato and other forces can get in. look, we've seen the ukrainians use turkish drones. you never know what is flying the drones there are things that can be done. fortunately, we're not going to necessarily hear about a lot of it because it falls under the covert action. >> well, you've been tweeting a lot about that. i've been following your twitter feed. you say there is likely covert engagement from the u.s. going on. something that you brought up is

weapon recovery as these things happen that, you know, you say yes, probably united states a recon operation, why? would the united states gather intel from that? are they repurpoing the weapons? >> great question. look, the u.s. has a long history of getting soviet and russian weapons including entire russian aircraft they flue for training against the air force and navy here. it is very possible that the cia or other u.s. agencies would just send people in to study it. it one thing to watch it from a far and to look at it through imagery or watch what it's doing through a radar scope, it's another thing to actually be able to crawl over and look at the equipment and see how it functions. there is an opportunity as russia loses equipment, there is an opportunity to clearly get advanced intelligence on russian weaponry and there seems to be quite a bit of abandoned russian

kit sitting on the battle field. >> you brought up china could be involved in this. i guess it's a double edged sword. i want to ask about nato. going back to zelenskyy's anger which is understandable as we see the images play out, i get ukraine is not a member of nato, however, there are nato members in the line of sight for putin. i mean, you know, the fact they had taken over a nuclear plant puts many of us at danger. why can't nato intervene here? i understand that you're saying that, you know, might be direct engagement and a conflict but is there truly nothing that can be down but this is happening because of one person, vladimir putin. is there nothing nato can do to pause or bring to a screeching halt the assault he's brought this to independent country? >> of course there are things nato can do. what nato cannot do quite

specifically is get directly involved in ukraine, however, as you mentioned, there are quite a few countries that reign ukraine that are nato partners and it is very important, in fact, sweden and finland are not part of nato. there is a lot we must do. awful and terrible, vladimir putin cannot be allowed to expand out of ukraine. one of the most important things we can do is continue to support ukraine military lethal aid but also to make sure nato partners are strengthened and vladimir putin who is clearly acting in an unhinged irrational manner can't move beyond ukraine and is contained and that the pressure remains on him to leave ukraine and that's what nato can do, that's what nato is doing even if it isn't patrolling the skies over ukraine. still performing an incredibly important mission to keep the world safe. >> it just doesn't seem to be working because how long -- look, there is a volunteer army. there are people ukrainians

standing there but it seems like it's frightening. i want to bring up the fact vice president kamala harris is headed to poland next week. what does her presence on the world stage signal to allies and enemies? >> right. there is incredibly important. incredibly important for the united states and nato to extend their resolve to article 5 to all nato partners and partners that countries that are part of nato. it really important vladimir putin doesn't get ideas of expanding beyond that. i want to say one thing what is happening in ukraine. it clear tonight, tiffany, while vladimir putin and russian forces may take cities including kyiv, they may obtain their tactical goals. they clearly at this point with zelenskyy's incredible statement menship and led erleadership thl not obtain strategies as long as

president zelenskyy remains in power, a free and independent ukraine exists even if russians occupy several of the major cities. >> i have to tell you, it's something seeing the spirit of the ukraiian people hold off this advance. we'll keep posted on what is happening there. thank you so much for joining us this evening. up next for you folks at home, how close did we come to a nuclear catastrophe last night in ukraine and what's the potential danger going forward? plus, the latest on sanctions and the impact they might be having on ending the crisis in ukraine. "the reidout" continues after this. ukraine. "the reiutdo" continues after this

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okay. the world narrowly escaped a nuclear catastrophe last night is what the u.s. ambassador said after russia attacked a nuclear

plant. live stream you can see there captured a bright flash from a flair like projectile as well as two blasts ammunition fire at the complex. the international atomic agency confirmed russian forces struck a building causing a fire that raged for almost five hours according to a plant spokesperson. russian troops even shot at the firefighters who arrived to put out the blaze. now, as this was unfolding, president zelenskyy warned if there is an explosion, that's the end of everyone. do not let europe die from a nuclear catastrophe he pleaded. thankfully, the fire was limited to a training facility and no radiation has been detected so far since the attack however, the risk of a radiological disaster is raising serious alarm around the world as it should. the u.s. embassy in ukraine said this morning it is a war crime to attack a nuclear power plant and ukraine's ambassador accused

russia of nuclear terrorism. the 1986 disaster, in that case radio active fallout spread as far as sweden and that was just within two days. while the plant under attack last night is far safer, experts say they're simply not designed to with stand a military assault. with russian troops in control, ukrainian workers are operating the facility at gunpoint, at gunpoint according to the head of the company. with me now, a distinguished fellow at the quincy institute for responsible state craft and author of "nuclear nightmare securing the world before it's too late" and the chairman and author of "confessions of a rogue nuclear regulator." thank you for being with me. i want to kick it off with you. expert i are saying we're safe for now and things are fine. i want you to walk us through what could have potentially happened with russia striking

this power plant. >> we dodged a nuclear bullet last night and i'm with the u.n. ambassador greenfield that we dodged a disaster. he was extremely concerned that there was a severe risk of a mass casualty event. basically, what happened was fortunately the attack was limited. even though we're shooting flairs as you see into a nuclear facility, there is volleys of heavy caliber machine fire that it didn't hit the containment facility. now this is a strong reinforced concrete but not a fail si in the world that would with stand a tank attack, mortar attack. the real danger for me isn't so much that the inrastructure would be damaged but in the course of this you might cut off

the electrical supply to this facility. there is a backup supply but that could have been damaged too in this kind of attack and you might then have a fukushima type event where the coolant is unable to get into the reactor, the fuel rods over heat, they melt down, melt down a uranium sinks into the ground and you have radio activity in the ground and water supply and if hydrogen gas building up, you could see an explosion like fukushima and could go into the air, as well. all of these things are possible which is why it against international law to attack a nuclear power plant. there is a geneva convention prohibiting this. russia was the signature to this. another example of russia breaking international law, violating global norms. i agree, this was a terrorist attack on a nuclear plant, a terrorist happened to be wearing russian army uniforms. >> wow.

before i bring in greg, i want to follow up. you're painting the picture of what could have happened. when you say it could have gotten into the air, i want to go further. let's say it does go into the air. what happens when human beings make contact with the air? what's the human cost for that? >> if you're very close to this, you die. you die. if you're farther down stream, it doesn't kill you immediately, but even a small amount of these highly radio active particles in the fuel that will be vaporized in the air would get inside you and give you cancer. you wouldn't die immediately but you would die over years. that's the danger of something like this. >> yeah, so at worst, mass human casualty immediately, at best if there is such a thing, a slow death, which is quite frightening. greg, i know experts are saying that we're in the clear but are we in the clear in perpetuity? you know, because we are not seeing any fallout from this

yet, does that mean we can all collectively breathe a sigh of relief or remain on high alert? >> this situation is not going to be over really until the war is over because these reactors are a critical piece of the infrastructure, the electricity infrastructure in ukraine so controlling them is extremely important for both sides so i suspect russian forces will attempt to control all the reactor sites in the country. they provide almost 50% of the electricity in ukraine so they're really vital for the country and one of the things that obviously we get a lot of focus and attention on incidents like last night where you have fires and these kinds of shelling activities, but long term the peration of these reactors is extremely unclear. will it be ukrainian operators operating like normal or operating at gunpoint or operating in very precarious situations? all of those factors are very,

very important not just in the next several days but weeks and months when this potential incursion continues. >> i want to talk to you about that, greg. like we said in the open, the international atomic agency said there are people working at gunpoint. they haven't had a shift change in over a week and i think about people who work in high stress jobs like doctors and pilots, you know, there is a limit to how long they work and working these extended times at gunpoint nonetheless, what danger does that pose? >> yeah, i mean, these crews have to be able to operate at optimal efficiency and when they're operating under the conditions they are and many of them potentially have loved ones in harm's way because of fighting or homes that are impacted or damaged, this is challenging so that goes to their performance. we know that crucial element when it comes to maintaining

safe nuclear reactors, the operators perform at an optimal level and many are highly trained. they're very good at what they do but they can make mistakes and the more they're operating under these very, very challenging conditions, the more that they have the likelihood of making mistakes or operating incorrectly. one of the good things from a nuclear safety perspective that's happened is some of these reactors have gone into more of a shutdown mode which dramatically reduces the chance they could have a large radiation release but as joe mentioned, that means they don't have electricity supply around the country. i think that will be where you really have this very, very difficult choice that ukrainian forces will have to make, how much do they defend these facilities knowing know that the russians are willing to use artillery or other weapons to attack them or simply turn the plants over and then operate them at gunpoint? i think that's a very, very difficult choice that ukraine

and the operators of the power companies have to make and clearly, i think we see russians are not acting as responsibly here. >> that's a difficult choice for them and a terrifying choice for the globe i'd argue. in sweden, a lot of the residents are taking iodine pills, which helps against radiation sickness, of course. i'm curious, putin has been bringing about nuclear superiority, if there is nuclear engagement, what exactly does that mean for us domestically? what does that mean for americans? >> there are so many nuclear dimensions for the crisis. you have many nuclear nightmares, the exercising of nuclear missiles is unprecedented, the nuclear threats, false claims he had to invade ukraine because they were developing nuclear weapons and now this. basically weaponizing nuclear

power plants, seizing them for war purposes and also this could get worse. imagine if he starts losing this war and retreats. does he sabotage these plants on his way out? and then you have the issue that you raise, if putin starts to move this war, if he feels cornered, there is actually a russian strategy, a military strategy called escalate to deescalate where the russians would use a nuclear weapon first to prevent their defeat to signal to the west they're serious, this is a risk for them and that they want the west to back off. unfortunately, nuclear war games repeatedly show once you start using nuclear weapons, there is no clear break. once you use one, the adversary will use one and that's the danger and what is stopping us from intervening as you were talking about with your first guest the risk these nuclear nightmares could erupt fledged .

we're closer to this than since the 1980s. >> there is a great line in the movie "crimson tide" with denzel washington said the purpose of nuclear war serves itself. there is no winner here. escalate to deescalate is terrifying. thank you, joe and greg for your very helpful insight. up next, a crackdown on social media and other information outlets in russia as putin calls for the normalization, normalization on international relations. we'll be right back. stay with us. relations. we'll be right back. stay with us

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vladimir putin actually called for a normalized international relations aka in sanctions while claiming he has quote no bad intentions towards our neighbors and that russia's actions were quote exclusively in response to unfriendly actions. putin however, has shown zero siphons of stopping his invasion of ukraine and today he signed a law actually making it illegal to knowingly spread what he's calling false information about the russian military with the maximum punishment of 10 to 15 years and this led to multiple media outlets making the decision to suspend their operations in the country. this is part of a larger crackdown on media the russian people are allowed to consume with the country shutting down what little independent media it

has as well as blocking foreign outlets like the bbc and voice of america. the russian government blocked facebook and twitter today. this comes as some russians are concerned putin could declare martial law. martial law would give the kremlin absolute power to escalate with immunity the already punishing crackdown. the kremlin of course denies it's considering enacting martial law. with me now is kimberly st. brian a student at the university of pennsylvania department of history. thanks for being with us this evening. i want to talk about what is happening in russia. in over 100 cities, the people of russia are standing up and denouncing putin's actions in ukraine even knowing it will cost them, could potentially cost them 10 to 15 years when protests are essentially damn

near illegal in russia. what does it say they're doing it anyway and does putin care? he doesn't strike me as the person that would really even give a consideration how his people feel about any of this. >> i think it is a powerful example that so many russians are risking imprisonment, police brutality to speak out against this war including elderly women. we've seen 80 and 90-year-old women being mistreated by the police to saying no to the war. i think it's powerful. we need larger and more protests but i think you're right as well, putin clearly does not care about regular russian people because if he cared, he would have stopped this war. the sanctions are already starting to really affect regular russians. it's harder to get groceries, prices are exploding and it's hard for russians trying to work outside russia to help their families. it's impossible to send money

back home. so i think what we're seeing here with this crackdown on free speech, no more free media, i think this is less about putin caring what regular russians think and more about putin caring about the information allowed into russia. >> some of the disinformation and propaganda operation he's running is not so much directed towards his people or even directed towards training people as much as it is the international community, that he wants to send a message to the international community so they are putting out false reports zelensky has fled and he's still very much in ukraine and the ukrainian people are very much fighting back but they're being somewhat out gunned by social media, right? people have been able to say in realtime no, this is not true what you're hearing from propaganda out of russia, this is actually what is happening on ground which of course, led to him blocking social media outlets. i'm curious he's not yet blocked what's app or instagram. why do you think that is?

>> i think putin doesn't necessarily know about the power of these types of social media. just that we're seeing this reaction now kind of aligns the changes that have happened in russia, access to outside information that's happened since the initial russian incursion in 2014 and 2008. i'm interested in this case because telegram is also a big way for russians to get information from outside and i'm not sure russia knows how to make sure that this information can't get in but as soon as they crack down, i promise you, russians are working on ways to get around it and make sure information is being able to come in from outside russia. >> i want to talk about the folks trying to flee, trying to get out of russia. i understand why he might keep men of fighting age there. what about the path of freedom of women and children, even his own military?

military has a low moral problem. we see soldiers begging for food and ill equipped to quite frankly hold up this advancement. why keep the people there? is it just to save face? >> i think one thing is to save face a mass exit out of russia, two, it's also the lack of russian air space almost all the e.u. closed off air station to russian airplanes, the second largest airline won't do international flights tomorrow. i think another key problem and i'm going to say this here is we will be seeing another refugee crisis but this time out of russia. and we have to think about all those russians who don't have access to western funds who will not be able to afford places like istanbul but there are thousands of african students, indian students, middle east earn students that live and work in russia so there is still another refugee crisis coming

and we need to be prepared as western countries to recognize that this is going to happen and figure out a way to help these people because they are going to be coming to get out of russia. >> you're right. we've seen the treatment from brown refugees, certainly out of ukraine and i imagine sadly that we may see that in russia, as well. we'll keep your eye on that aspect. i want to ask because you're an expert in this. there is a bipartisan effort to encourage the biden administration to end all russian oil imports. will putin care about that? it's complicated because he's operating as someone who does not intend to suffer consequences and we'll talk more about that on the next block but i'm curious your thoughts. if sanctions won't do it, will oil? >> i think oil is going to be key here. if you cut off russian oil and exports and imports, that means putin is not making money and

putin is spending, i think, i've seen numbers of 70 0 million dollars a day being spent on russian oil. cut off his wallet. he can't afford bombs, he can't afford gas for the tanks. russia isn't producing oil for the west including europe so we need to have conversations how to replace russian oil and gas but more over, we need to make sure vladimir putin doesn't get the money for his war. >> i wonder what the domino effect is. if we cut off russian oil, what does that do for our relationship with the saudis and what wide dark shadow does that cast? sadly, this is a conversation that requires more time, which we're out of. thank you for being with us this evening. we're going to continue our discussion of the ukraine invasion next with an arms control negotiator who is now running for u.s. senate. you want to hear what he has to say. stay with us. u want to hear wha say. stay with us history.

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i think the question everyone is asking is what do we do about vladimir putin? and it's not a new question, far from it actually. in the wake of his invasion of ukraine, it is the question every world leader is confronting with new intensity from slapping his tore rick -- historic sanctions on the kremlin to the ruble. what happens when you back putin into a corner? nothing good according to senior white house officials debating the potential consequences, which may include cyber attacks to our financial system, along with nuclear threats. pressure is mounting from both parties for president biden to up the ante and ban u.s. imports of russian oil. his secretary of state blinken pushed back today against calls to sanction russian energy directly. joining me is the democratic candidate for u.s. senate in missouri and also a form former marine and worked with a

negotiator with russia and nato so he's uniquely able to answer questions i got tonight. thank you for being with us. the first question i think i have to ask you is we see putin committing a war crime. i mean, u.n. has come out and said attack a nuclear plant is a war crime. will we ever see any accountability? will he ever be held responsible for what he's done today because right now, it seems like the world is looking -- just taking a step back and watching this play out. this is a very dangerous situation play out. >> yeah, i think what we saw is when putin originally invaded, he thought if he had this massive show of force that the country would just fold. you know, i was in iraq and afghanistan as a marine, i often worked on rules of engagement, how much collateral damage are you willing to take? he thought he could do a show of force and hurt the infrastructure and ukrainians

proved him wrong and he's face the decision how he'll proceed. he decided to fully relax the rules of engagement. he's willing to accept any amount of civilian death and infrastructure to accomplish his mission and it sad and really to prevent this from happening again, we need to when you say civilian death, i have to say, at least 17 children are among the civilians who have died so far, which is devastating. we haven't even seen the worst of it yet. this could get worse. i'm curious, from your expertise, what does worse look like? >> this is what it looks like. it is war in chechnya. complete annihilation, destruction, and the people who live there, everything else. there are ways we can prevent that, or i'm sure doesn't happen again in the future. we need to start engaging with those. >> i want to play a soundbite from senator lindsey graham,

who offers the solution on how to deal with putin, then we'll talk about it on the other side. take a listen. >> somebody, in russia, needs to step up to the plate. is there a brutus in russia? a more successful colonel in the russian military? the only way this sense, my friend, is for somebody in russia to take this guy out. >> i'm just curious of your thoughts on that. obviously, moscow, certainly had a response to that. i'm curious your thoughts. this does seem like all of this is being caused by one person, but two questions here. one, he is surrounded by sycophants, so there is nobody to rein him in, and to, even if, for some reason, someone in russia was able to succeed him, you are not geared to the putin would not, necessarily, succeed him. >> lindsey graham wants this to happen, he just needs to be a man, and do it himself. but the rest of us need to do,

is we need to realize, this is the third time putin has invaded one of his neighbors in the last 14 years. the third time. that was funded by the western, european purchase, of his gas. i did the negotiations with russia, and i saw how it corrupted them. since 2014, they've been more reliant on this gas, not less. that we need to do is to prevent invasions four, five, and six, that he has planned, as well. to do that, it starts with two things. first, we need to completely eliminate his market forecasts. we have the ability to do that. we have the u.s. dollar, we have sanctions, we have the ability to take away his ability to sell that right now. next, we need to invest in the next generation of energy technology. right here, in america, start exporting that to europe, and elsewhere, so he doesn't have a market to ever sell again. we completely defang him, we defund his war machine, and we don't worry about, him ever

again. >> on that point, with what you're saying, we'll take a little bit of time. i think what concerns me, and many americans, is how he can attack the u.s.. you saw in 2016, he did attack our democracy, by striking that court of white supremacy, targeting black voters, in another election year, with midterms coming up. havana syndrome, which impacts peoples brain functions, the microwave energy. the impacts on people has been cited here on domestic soil. what is the biggest threat, do you think, russia poses to domestic soil right now? how can we prepare a selves? >> really, right now, the guy's hands are full with ukraine. these brave ukrainians are standing up, giving him more than he can handle, and that gives us a window to actual, he's distracted, and busy. what we need to do is bring down hard sanctions. like a previous guest said, he does not have the money to keep doing this. stopping imports is not enough. we don't buy enough to make that happen. we need to make sure that it is

about zeroed worldwide. we need to do a lot of the stuff that we can do, and then again, we need to prevent him from ever doing it again. we have a way to do that. we are an innovative people, we know how to build things, we know how to create, we just need to invest in it. investing in that is much cheaper than another war. i watched spend 6.4 trillion dollars in iraq, and afghanistan. for less than that, we can have something right here, right now. we just need to choose to make that investment. >> we will keep our eye on it, and see what unfolds. thank you so much. four of you were, is up next, how relief workers are trying to bring a little sunshine into the lives of the smallest victims of this war. we often use a little hope right now so, you don't want to miss this. stick around. stick around

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aware. the horror of war is unimaginable. even more so for the half 1 million ukrainian children, who themselves have become refugees. last night we visited a refugee camp in romania for something special. a little girl the marina, despite all the chaos. >> happy birthday to you. happy birthday to you. happy birthday dear marina. happy birthday to you.

[noise] >> as you see, their emergency workers at the local camp. marinas mother person with a birthday hats in the cake. -- the burst at the camp where she is now living with her family. that's tonight's read out, joy returns on monday. join me tomorrow morning at 10 am eastern for the cross connection. which formula jayapal joins me to discuss russia's invasion of ukraine, i am also digging deeper into the racist treatment of black and brown people as they try to flee ukraine. all in with chris hayes, starts now. >> tonight on all in. >> it is not only ukraine on the russian attack. it is europe. it is the entire world it is humanity. >> new alarms across the globe as a russian attack on a power plant. the ukrainian president rally support in cities across europe. tonight, the