hey, everybody, good afternoon, i'm yasmin vossoughian. we have a lot to cover today. as we continue to follow the russian invasion of ukraine. new warnings from russian president vladimir putin to any western countries that move to create a no-fly zone above ukraine. >> translator: there's some irresponsible statements that they should create a no-fly zone over the territory of ukraine. it's impossible to do. but any move in that direction will be considered by us as a participation of that country in the military action. >> all right, putin's statements came just hours after an effort to evacuate ukrainian citizens from the besieged city of mariupol was halted when ukrainian officials said russian forces violated a temporary cease-fire by continuing a barrage of shelling.

despite all of this, diplomatic efforts to stop the russian violence are still ongoing this weekend. u.s. secretary of state, tony blinken, who is currently in poland visiting refugee camps, met with the ukrainian foreign minister at the ukraine-poland border to pledge america's support to ukrainians. meanwhile, israeli prime minister neftali bennett met with putin today for three straight hours. an israeli government official telling nbc news that bennett coordinated with the united states, the germany, with france as well ahead of this meeting. all of this as the u.s. state department is warning americans to leave russia immediately and not to travel there. the strong statement coming amid reports that american wnba star brittney griner was detained in russia after a search of her luggage found vape cartridges containing oil derived from cannabis. griner's agent saying they are

aware of the situation, are in close contact but could not release further details because it is an ongoing legal matter. i want to start first with what's going on, on the ground in ukraine. with that, let's go to nbc's matt bradley, who's covering this for us in the western city of rivny. thanks for joining us on this. you've been covering this thing wall to wall for the last seven days or so throughout this entire conflict. tell us more about this temporary cease-fire that appears to have already collapsed due to ongoing russian shelling. >> reporter: yeah, i mean, yasmin, that was hours ago and must have been crushing for the people of that city who have been going days without power, without electricity, without water. they were given this very, very brief, vanishingly rare chance to escape the surrounded city of mariupol, which has already been devastated by russian shelling, and of neighboring village, and then just within hours of this whole thing starting, this deal that had been made overnight, it was crushed by what the mayor of that town said was russian

shelling. shelling of, i suppose, that humanitarian corridor itself, and then now, we're told that the russians said that it was actually the ukrainians who broke the deal, that it was the ukrainians who were shooting, unbelievably, from their positions, i suppose, trying to break the deal, trying to imperil their own people who were simply making an effort to flee as best they could to try to make it to a city that is a little further northwest. so, this must have been crushing for those people, and again, it really just goes to show, and there's so many examples of this, yasmin, that it's civilians who are carrying the weight of all this. and of course, we heard from president zelenskyy. he is once again renewed his call for that one wish we keep hearing over and over again from the ukrainian government, from ukrainian officials, from diplomats, all they want is a no-fly zone. but president putin of russia has said that if there is a no-fly zone, if the u.s. does impose one, well, that would be

tantamount to an act of war, and in a way, he's right. there's no way impose a no-fly zone on ukraine without engaging directly, without western military, without western air forces engaging directly with russian troops and russian air forces. there's simply no way to impose that or control the air space. he has to do that. so, president putin need not worry. antony blinken and nato have said resolutely they will not be doing this, and that infuriated president zelenskyy. he scolded them and said that, you know, basically they're cowards, to put it in so many words, that nato should be stepping up and enforcing a no-fly zone over ukraine. yasmin? >> hey, matt, as we've been watching your reporting throughout the entire country, you have been in some precarious positions yourself. oftentimes on air with me, actually, in those overnight hours. you've seen a lot of what's been going down in those countries and how citizens are handling and dealing with all this. now being in rivne, i know that you have been in some other

cities as well. talk to me about where you are now compared to what you have seen throughout the country. >> reporter: well, i got to tell you, yasmin, this is the sleepiest of all the places we've been and just because this is pretty far west. we were in lviv, which is really the focus of the refugees -- excuse me, the internally displaced people. once they cross the border into another country, they become refugees under international law. but they're all gathering there, and that's a place that they're doing that because it's safe, because it's near the polish and hungarian borders, but still there were lots of air raid sirens there and you could see troops walking around in the streets. here in rivne, you can see some troops and actually around here, we've seen convoys of howitzers being towed by ukrainian military trucks, so there are signs and semblances of war everywhere you turn in this country, even here where we haven't heard an air raid siren since we arrived. but this is a place that's girding for war just like

everywhere else in the country. that's because this far west, and this far north, there are worries of another threat, which is that the belarusians could join the fight, and if they do, they'll be crossing right over this territory of rivne if they want to join in with the russians, with their allies, with their allies and vladimir putin. they could decide to just go roll right over through here and i got to tell you, i don't know the details. i haven't seen the armaments around here, but it's quite possible they could come through completely undefended. >> hey, matt, do people there feel supported by the west or do they feel as if they're fighting alone right now? >> reporter: they feel supported by the west, but they feel supported to a certain point. and as i mentioned, there's that one wish, that one desire that we keep hearing from diplomats and everything. they want the no-fly zone. they want russia to be removed from the s.w.i.f.t. system.

they feel the west has been helping them but always a day late and a dollar short, never enough when they need it, when the warnings are loudest. they feel the west has shied away, hasn't stepped up to the plate. and when it comes to something like that nuclear incident which just had in the last 24 hours, that was horrifying for the entire world but it played right into the ukrainians' rhetoric and it was true that this is not something -- this is not a fight that the ukrainians need to be fighting or should be fighting on their own. they have been saying this time and time again. when they go out at the front lines and shoot at the russians and die for their country, they're not just dying for ukraine. they're dying for the entire western world. this has been something they've repeated over and over and over again. and that's why they feel like they're not just taking a handout when they get gifts of armaments and supplies from nato and other western countries. they feel as though this is an investment in the future of democracy and the west and you know, all of the alliances and the institutions that have been built up since world war ii,

since the fall of the soviet union. to them, that is what they are preserving. yasmin? >> all right, as always, nbc's matt bradley for us, thanks for your reporting on this, my friend. we appreciate it. with that, want to bring in former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, bill taylor, currently u.s. institute of peace vice president for russia and europe. ambassador, it's great to see you, as always. so you were just taking a listen, obviously, to our correspondent on the ground there, matt bradley, who has been doing some incredible reporting from ukraine. it's -- there's this conversation, obviously, over the no-fly zone. zelenskyy driving it home once again earlier today. saying, pleading with the west to institute this no-fly zone and saying, if you don't do this, you're giving a green light to vladimir putin. vladimir putin saying, if this no-fly zone is, in fact, instituted, you are participating in this war. break this down for people that are watching as to why this is such a difficult position for the west to be in and why they feel as if they cannot do this.

>> yasmin, you're right. this is a very difficult question. first of all, let me just commend matt bradley, who's doing a great job, as you say, out there. it's great to hear that kind of reporting from him. the no-fly zone question, both at nato, here in washington, in other nato capitals, is a hard one. it's a very hard one. for all the reasons that you just said. i had a very emotional conversation with a ukrainian leader this morning. she wanted to make it very clear what the issues are, what the stakes are, and how important this no-fly zone is for ukraine. and she made it clear in humanitarian terms, in human terms, in personal terms. i mean, she's talking about children, women, who are trying to move out. so this is a very, very emotional issue for ukrainians as matt just described. it's also dangerous. it's dangerous and secretary blinken and the nato ambassadors, the nato foreign

ministers have addressed this. if they enforce a no-fly zone over ukraine and enforcing a no-fly zone means shooting down russian aircraft. shooting down -- this would be american or nato aircraft shooting down russian aircraft. this is dangerous, yasmin. everybody understands that. i understand, however, that there have been other conversations, additional conversations, side conversations that may address the humanitarian issue that this senior politician that was talking with me this morning about, and that would be a no-fly zone over agreed humanitarian corridors and this could even be blessed by and authorized by, sanctioned by the u.n., either in the security council or in the general assembly and humanitarian corridors would be agreed by the russians. and so, they presumably would agree to have no aircraft, no

combat aircraft over top of that humanitarian corridor, so there are these kind of issues that try to identify ways to achieve what we're trying to do, at least in the beginning. >> let me push back on that, though, because as we saw this morning, the cease-fire that was supposed to be put in place for people to be able to get out, that didn't last. the russians are blaming the ukrainians, the ukrainians are blaming the russians, so how could we trust that a humanitarian, as you put it, corridor could work? >> yasmin, it's the right question. it's the right question. as you have reported, there have been these conversations between russian and ukrainians on the belarusian border with ukraine where they have done some work. they've made some progress on these humanitarian corridors. however, as you just pointed out, in mariupol, that humanitarian agreement broke

down right away. and it's undoubtedly the russians. it was very clearly the russians, even though matt was just reported that it could have been the ukrainians. it was clearly not the ukrainians. it was the russians who violated that humanitarian corridor and started shelling, even in spite of the agreement. that's a problem. that's a problem. and that would mean that that area would not be covered by a no-fly zone over humanitarian corridor because it wouldn't exist. it's where it could exist and where it would be accepted and even watched, adhered to, that's where a no-fly zone could at least begin. >> in your estimation, is there any diplomatic off-ramp at this point? >> it's interesting, yasmin. you've reported that the israeli prime minister just had a long conversation with president putin, and the israeli prime minister then had a readout, gave a readout to president zelenskyy and to other european and american allies.

so, president putin is willing to listen to someone. he's willing to listen to the israelis. maybe he's willing to listen to others. maybe there's a three-way conversation, yasmin, among americans, russians, and ukrainians that he would be willing to listen to and see if there is exactly what you say, if there's a way out. his attack on kyiv has stalled. the russian people are expressing clearer and clearer and louder and louder their opposition to this invasion, to this war. they know about it. the russian people starting to know a lot about this. their brothers and sons and sisters and mothers are coming back for burial. they are learning about this in a hard way. they are seeing their standard of living decline because the sanctions are already attacked, already having an effect. so, the russian people are putting pressure on president

putin and he may be listening to the israeli prime minister. there may be other ways to get to him. >> ambassador, vladimir putin is a former kgb agent. we talked about this a lot. he is born and bred spy tactics and kgb. was this an intelligence failure on his part, underestimating the ukrainians' will to fight back? >> yasmin, i think this was a gross miscalculation, and i don't know -- i don't know if it was an intelligence failure or a failure in the mind of president putin. he has always had this obsession with ukraine. he probably remembers ukrainian socialist republic back in soviet times. he may even remember the ukraine of prior to 2014 when he invaded the first time. that ukraine did have a raucous debate, a genuine debate about

whether to go toward russia or whether to go towards europe. that debate ended, yasmin, as we know, in 2014, and is -- it is dead today. there's no debate in ukraine. so i don't think mr. putin understands that. i think he doesn't understand that the ukraine that he has in his mind is not the ukraine today, and he must be just amazed that president zelenskyy, who is two years in elected office, is leading this country, and he's probably amazed that the ukrainian people are following him so firmly. this is -- this has to be a surprise to president putin. >> as always, ambassador bill taylor, you are incredibly important and vital to the conversation that we are having as we are seeing the atrocities take place over in ukraine, and we appreciate you joining us this afternoon, taking some time out of your saturday. thank you. >> thank you. tens of thousands of people, everybody, leaving their lives behind to escape the russian invasion of ukraine.

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welcome back, everybody, want to turn now to hungary, one of several nations at the center of the ukrainian refugee crisis. ali velshi is in hungary.

>> reporter: hungary has taken about 12% of all the ukrainians who have left ukraine at the moment. a small percentage, by the way, have gone to russia. those tend to be the russian-speaking people from eastern ukraine but from western ukraine, from lviv, places like that, even places as far as kharkiv, people have come to hungary. there are a few reasons for that. one is they're using budapest as a hub to get to other places in europe where they may have family or connections. others are coming here because they can reach their embassy who will repatriate them if they're not ukrainian citizens and for some people, it's just geographically the closest. that's the border over there and the relevant part of this is that while ukraine continues to ask the u.s. and nato for more support, including air support, creating a flyover zone over ukraine, nato leaders have said this is a nonstarter, that doing that would be perceived as an act of war by the russians. on the other side, vladimir putin has said all these things

that the west is doing are an act of war, including cyberattacks or the idea that nato is supplying ukrainian resistance fighters with stinger missiles and javelins, which they are using to some effect. so the question continues about whether or not nato will involve itself in the protection of a non-nato country. the pressure to do so is increasing but western leaders continue to be concerned about the fact that any such action could trigger what they call world war iii. volodymyr zelenskyy has said world war iii is already here on europe's doorstep and that's the doorstep, the border over there. this is a border crossing that doesn't have a train station, so people coming here are often doing so because somebody has given them a ride to the border and they're getting a ride on this side to somewhere into hungary. this is a country, hungary, that has not had a great record with migrants or immigrants, but they have said they're welcoming ukrainians in and for now, it's mostly a civil society effort. churches, the red cross, groups

like that are providing food, medication, shelter, transportation, and accommodation to the people who are coming in from ukraine. so that's the situation as it continues. more refugees continue to flood into hungary. all right, thank you to ali velshi for that. why one member of ukraine's parliament says declining a no-fly zone over ukraine by nato is a deadly decision and what she's doing to fight off russian forces closing in on the capital of kyiv. and you're looking live at times square in new york city where dozens of people are protesting russia's invasion of ukraine. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good.

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propelled by fear, they battle to board. as the train attendants beg them to step back. bags are hoisted from passenger to passenger, and within a few minutes, the train is full. careful, don't fall, don't come in, he begs. the majority on this train are women and children. men between 18 and 60 are expected to stay and fight. >> the reality on the ground there, sky news reporting on the desperation of ukrainian citizens fleeing russia this week. unicef reporting half a million of those escaping so far are children. just moments ago, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, in his latest national address, called on citizens to, quote, go on the offensive. saying, every small victory against the russians is a chance

at life. it is coming as russian president vladimir putin amps up his threats against the west, saying any declaration of a no-fly zone over ukraine would be taken as a, quote, participation in the armed conflict by the kremlin. earlier today, president volodymyr zelenskyy, on a bipartisan call with u.s. congress members, pleaded again for the consideration of a no-fly zone. stressing the, quote, barbaric murders of his country's civilians at the hands of russia and vladimir putin. that is all coming just hours of ukraine's deputy prime minister announced russia had violated its temporary cease-fire agreement, briefly put in place for civilians in two cities could evacuate safely. regional police announcing today that six people had died, including a child. in a russian air strike of a village southwest of the capital city. with me now is ukraine parliament member kira rudik. kira, thank you so much for joining us.

we appreciate it. how are you doing? >> oh, hello, i'm doing great, thank you so much for having me tonight. >> what is a day like for you right now, kira, in the capital city? >> well, today, i spent two hours training with my resistance team. we are training every day, and we are firing guns. we are exercising. we are making sure that we are ready to what is coming. then i was driving around the bomb shelters and making sure that people have their -- enough food, enough everything. the subway stations are using -- are being used as bomb shelters right now. after that, i came back and were talking to different mps from different parliaments, trying to persuade them to provide a no-fly zone for ukraine. this is basically how my day looks like, and today, until the end of the day, i will send like

another hundred emails, saying that the no-fly zone is the really critical piece for ukrainians' win, and a no-fly zone is something that we desperately need right now because you see what's going on. we are fighting putin on the ground very well. we are able to give him a good fight, but there is nothing i can do to protect myself or my family from the missiles that is going from the air. i can fire my klashnekov and be confident i will be able to use it but without the protection from the sky, it will be very hard for us to win. that's why we are calling on every single person that we know on every world leader, on every member of parliament of the nato members, and not nato members, and asking them to weigh this decision of not providing no-fly zone for ukraine, to make sure that it is changed and finally get the support that we need.

i'm sure that at some point, nato countries will come along, but it may be too late for ukraine. it may be just too late. >> kira, what do you make of the explanation you're hearing from western leaders, saying they cannot institute a no-fly zone because that would feasibly mean nato forces, western forces shooting down a russian plane, engaging in warfare with russia, which could mean world war iii. >> i think it's an illusion that this war has not began. because what's happening right now is putin is trying to conquer the countries up to the borders of the soviet union or russian empire, and he was very adamant that after ukraine, there will be poland. there will be baltic countries, and what does nato going to do next if that comes to it? and i don't see right now any

good solution that would come of not helping us and not protecting us over the sky. because if putin wins, then there will be a huge russian satellite at the center of europe that controls the third world export of grain and the second world's export of sunflower oil. if we will just be bleeding and bleeding and bleeding, that would not also give nato a good view or a good support, and if putin will be crazy enough to bomb another nuclear plant, then it will be a world tragedy that will affect everybody. there will be nobody -- with different passports, radiation doesn't care if you're a member of eu or not and where you're located. we know that. we have seen the chernobyl tragedy. so -- and what does then nato think of -- like what is the good solution? we will fight until we stand.

we will fight to the win or no ukrainian standing, but we will not be able to do it effectively if we are constantly bombarded by russian air missiles, so what is the solution here? and i don't see any other one rather than either hope that russia will collapse, which we see that is happening very slowly and it wouldn't happen, like, tomorrow. or help ukraine, help europe. because let's make it clear. we are right now acting as a shield to europe. we are protecting crazy dictator who wants to conquer the list of countries that he already stated. we are fighting against a dictator who wants to blow up the europe in total. we are fighting the crazy dictator who just wants to put the world on its knees and in this matter, we are fighting on the same side with nato members, and with nato allies, and if we are on the same side, then why are we not getting the protection that we really need?

so, is the world going to watch what putin is doing to us? is he -- is the world going to say, okay, we are to protect but not you guys? so, putin was very clear of what he wants ukraine to do to stop this. he said, give up your aim to join nato. give up the aim to join eu, and then i will stop. and we are saying, no, we are not stopping. this is what we want to do. and while we did this, while we are standing up to him, the alliance that we want to join is saying, yeah, no, we are not ready for the war. the war is already there. everybody's involved. it's like in hundred years that happened after hitler made exactly the thing. it seems like the world learned nothing. it seems that people still live in the illusion that it will somehow, somehow will go away. it won't go away.

he will be only pushing harder. we will be standing high, but what would happen if we fail? what would happen then? >> kira rudik, we thank you for taking the time to speak with us this afternoon. i wish you the best of luck. i'll will thinking of you, and i pray that you are safe in your time in the capital fighting on behalf of your independence and your country. thank you, kira. coming up, everybody, russia's military push, a look at where they are right now. at .

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panic. countless families urgently trying to escape before it is just too late. nbc's richard engel reports from the capital city of kyiv. >> reporter: after president vladimir putin apparently misjudged ukrainian resistance, he appears to be trying to make up for it. with brute force. wiping out this neighborhood. this is what's left of a school that officials say was hit by a russian strike. and nato now accuses russia of using cluster bombs, indiscriminate weapons banned by many countries, though not russia or the united states. ukrainian civilians are paying a heavier price by the day. russian forces are having success in the south. after taking kherson, now firing on odesa and surrounding and attacking mariupol, where the mayor says they're running out of food. russia's apparent aim, to cut off ukraine from the black sea. in the capital, kyiv, there's

now an urgent scramble to escape. as russian forces are getting closer to the city, people are streaming out of it. parents are tethered to their children, they're taking their pets, their grandparents, and everyone is heading west. hearing the train announcements and the train whistles and these long lines of people climbing on to the tracks, it feels like another era. >> the most crazy feel when you hear how kids screaming, mothers screaming, it's so crazy that panic. you see how people so afraid. >> reporter: it's been like this all day. there's a lot of confusion about where these trains are departing from. people have been waiting here on platform 9. there was just an announcement a few moments ago that the train to the west is actually leaving from platform 12. now everyone is rushing there. nobody wants to miss it. this is the push right up at the door. there's been some people dropping bags. we've seen people holding their babies up in the air as they are trying to cram as many people as

possible on to this train. a lot of families we spoke to said they decided this morning to pack up their house, come here to the station, and just head west. oksana is taking her 1-year-old. they're leaving her husband behind with no idea where they'll eventually end up. we're at war, she says. we have to get the children out. oleksiy, staying behind to fight, told us saying good-bye to his wife and son was the hardest moment of his life. >> these images, just heartbreaking. thanks to richard engel for that incredible reporting as always. joining me now, retired major john spencer, chair of urban war studios at the modern war institute. thank you so much for joining us on this. we appreciate it. a few things i want to tick through and i first want to start out with an analysis of the russian military. i want to bring up some numbers here, comparing the russian military to the ukrainian military, and i think the obvious truth here is that the

russian military completely outnumbers the ukrainian military. one of the reasons in which initial intelligence assessments stated it was about 48 hours for the russian military to overtake the capital city, 8 days in, that obviously hasn't happened. we've been taking a look at those satellite images of that convoy for some days now. and they still have not been able to take control of the capital city. here's what "the new york times" says about the russian military. a significant number of the russian troops are young conscripts who are poorly trained and ill prepared for the all-out assault. and in some cases, russian troops have deliberately punched holes in their vehicles' gas tanks, presumably to avoid combat, plagued by poor morale as well as fuel and food shortages. did vladimir putin overestimate his own military here? >> absolutely. those big numbers mean nothing to me. i served 25 years in the army, went to combat twice. the morale of the troops is everything.

their will to fight. let alone his incompetence, he actually attempted an invasion plan a la, you know, the invasion of iraq, what the west can do. clearly, he underestimated the capability of his forces in and what he could do and so now he's changing strategy. >> the question, though, is -- and i've been asking this question all week now. how long ukrainian forces can hold them off. hence, one of the reasons why they keep asking for this no-fly zone, because they feel eventually as if the russian military will overtake them. how long, in your estimation, do you feel as if the ukrainian military and ukrainian civilians who are taking up arms can hold off the russians? >> based on my experience of studying urban warfare, this isn't open terrain warfare. those circles on the maps are all urban areas, and unfortunately, they have civilians in them so we've got to get the civilians out but of those resisting, with an urban-based strategy, they could

hold out for months, and i'm not joking. even in the battle of mosul, 2016, we all watched it. less than 5,000 terrorists with no military training held off 100,000 forces, a city cut off, for 9 months, and this is not isis. these are motivated ukrainian soldiers and civilians with the will to pay the ultimate price for their freedom. >> you talk about urban warfare. i want to bring up a tweet that you put out. with a map on it, talking about the underground and how the capital city, kyiv, how ukrainians aren't necessarily using the underground enough or adequately to combat the russians. here's what you says. the underground is a powerful resource for any urban defender. kyiv and many ukrainian cities has extensive underground networks. kyiv should be using these for urban warfare. tunnels are excellent to escape bombardments, surprise, attack

enemy forces. can you expand on this? >> absolutely. russian doctrine is coming. they're just now showing it. russian doctrine is to bomb cities into submission. i'm talking, thousands of rounds. in the battle of grozny, when they suffered just a few casualties, they started bombing 30,000 rounds a day of or tillty. that's about a round every 30 seconds for 24 hours. anybody who's on the streets at this moment in a position needs to have an escape, a tunnel, a sewer, something to jump into, because you have -- in order to survive, they have to survive that initial bombing, which russia will do when it gets closer. it's already doing it. so, that tunnel is one of the most powerful tools in warfare in general. and it's just to show every time in history, and we see them and just like the bombing of london t blitz, we see them in the tunnels surviving but they have to maximize them for military use as well.

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two roommates from the university of delaware watching their home countries in crisis. from thousands of miles away. one from ukraine, the other from russia. both uniting to take a stand against the russian president. the students are holding a pro-ukraine rally today in wilmington, and the students join me now, greg tarnovski from ukraine and vlad is a senior from russia. welcome to you both, guys. i appreciate you joining me today. greg, i'm going to start with you, and i just -- i know you have some concerns about your family back at home and you don't want to necessarily reveal too much, but have you been in contact with them? are they safe? how are they doing? >> yes. my mom and my sister have fled ukraine because they had to leave, and my dad and my grandparents had stayed back home. >> wow. and how are you feeling, knowing that your dad and grandparents have had to stay behind? >> well, it's both frustrating and terrifying, because my

grandparents are very old. they've seen the wars of the -- outcomes of world war ii, and my dad is also not that young. so, it's terrifying and frustrating that they have to witness another war in their lifetime. >> vlad, why did you decide to team up with greg to support ukrainians? >> yeah. i've been against putin's regime for a very long time. i actually went to college here to escape the regime and stay in the u.s. with a work visa, but yeah, we're trying to prevent this tyranny that putin's doing, and not only to russian people who are hostages for more than a decade but now he's also torturing and pushing his

tyranny to our, still, brother nation, as many russians think, to ukraine. and this is devastating for me, because i have family there. my grandpa is ukrainian. and i've been there a lot of times as a kid, and yeah, just very heartbroken for me and for just trying to push what is right and -- yeah, that's the reason. >> are you -- vlad, are you worried that people will blame you, will blame russian people for the actions of russian president vladimir putin? >> some. i mean, it's inevitable that some people would, but we're also pushing the message that russian people don't want war in any way and that this bloodsheding is on the hands of the government and most importantly vladimir putin. so, that's the message we're trying to push.

also on the protests. >> greg, what do you want this rally to achieve? what do you want people to take away from it? >> well, my main goal was just spread awareness, and we also had a poster that had a qr code that people could use to donate to ukrainian army and i saw some people take their cameras out of their pockets and donate some amount, but also i just want to spread awareness for the american people to understand that this is a war for freedom, for liberty, for the values that this country was built on, and one of the reasons is why we're doing this, at least for me, is because i want the american people to understand that they have to push the politicians to help ukraine more by probably imposing a no-fly zone or just flying ukraine with the air defense systems. >> greg, quickly here, i think all of us have been astonished by the will of the ukrainian people, by the will of your

president, volodymyr zelenskyy, their will to stay, people like your family members, their will to fight, to stave off russian forces. what are the ukrainian people like? tell my viewers. >> honestly, ukrainian people are fascinating. this is -- i've seen many nations. i've met a lot of people. but i'm very patriotic and i love my nation. ukrainian people are just so mature, so brave. i've seen many videos of the ukrainians just -- people who are in the villages just take their tractors and tow russian tanks. i saw people get on their knees in front of a tank and stop that russian tank from going into a city. i've seen people gather in huge groups just to stop the invaders. i've seen grandmothers, just an old lady who was cursing the russian soldiers on her own, even though he was pointing a gun at her.

ukrainian people are, for me, at the moment, we're the bravest nation in the world because we're fighting for our own freedom, for our liberty, for our rights. and i'm just so proud to be ukrainian at the moment. >> hopefully the team that you two young men have built can be an example for the rest of the world as we see this conflict and these atrocities play out in ukraine. greg and vlad, thank you both. we send our best wishes to your friends and family. and good luck to both of you. we hope your families stay safe. >> thank you. coming up in our next hour, everybody, russia's invasion of ukraine enters day ten, and there are no signs of it ending any time soon. the new threats from the kremlin and a race to evacuate thousands of innocent people. that's coming up. acuate thousans of innocent people that's coming up when you shop with wayfair, you spend less and get way more.

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