reports. i'm chris jansing. coming up live from hungry, velshi starts right now. >> good morning, i'm ali velshi. it is 7 am in new york, 1 pm where i am today, in a village in eastern hungry called tibet, on the border with ukraine, a country that had been fighting to maintain its sovereignty, ever since russian forces invaded it 11 days ago. the border crossing nearby has been one of the entry points for some of the more than 157,000 refugees who have escaped from ukraine to this country, hungry. 24 hours, a cease-fire was announced in southeastern ukraine to allow a corridor for civilians to evacuate. however, that cease-fire collapsed with ukrainian

officials accusing russia of violating the environment we. have breaking news, they are giving it another shot. the city of mariupol announced there will be another cease-fire in effect, currently a five, to allow more people to leave. we are keeping a close eye on that one, to see the progress this time around. in the ukrainian capital of kyiv, president volodymyr zelenskyy spent the weekend calling attention to the violence that he and his country are experiencing. yesterday, he met virtually with senators, and a couple hundred members of congress, and once again, he repeated his fleece for a no fly zone above ukraine to protect it from russian attacks. people voice support for a no-fly zone, but the biden administration has refused to commit to it, citing that this move would prompt a direct war with russia. so once he has also raise something else during his meeting, whether sanctions could be imposed to cut russia off from using visa and mastercard. hours after that meeting, visa

announced it was cutting ties with russia due to its quote, unprovoked invasion of ukraine. minutes later, mastercard echo the sentiment. that means that cards issued by russian banks will no longer work anywhere in the world, wherein cards issued by banks anywhere other in the world, will not be accepted anywhere inside russia. it's just another blow to russia's financial system. it's the latest example of how quickly the world and the private sector has moved to cut ties with russia. major companies across many different industries have announced that they will be restricting, or no longer offering their goods and services in russia including technology giants like samsung, microsoft, and apple. -- that is going to cause a severe distraught meant of shipments and goods to the country, and probably empty shelves in stores. carmakers, they are all suspending operations in the country. media and entertainment

companies like disney, netflix, and spotify, have taken steps to cut off russian consumers. plenty of sanctions have been imposed on russia's largest banks and companies, as well as some of the country's richest oligarchs. but the fallout in the private sector is going to affect the way that ordinary russians love their life. the standard of living is deteriorating quickly among the global response to russia. it's all due to vladimir putin. bit by bit, russians are being removed from the global economy. all of these recent development, pushing russia back to the soviet era, closed off from the world, living in deplorable conditions. depending on how long this war last, we get to see the beginning of another humanitarian crisis in this part of the world. so, let's turn our attention back to ukraine. nbc's molly hunter is in lviv, a city in western ukraine. molly, there is a second attempt and now at a cease fire at a humanitarian corridor in southeastern ukraine in mariupol today, after the one

that you were reporting on yesterday fell apart in a matter of hours. what's the situation this time around? >> hey all, and that's right. yesterday, we were talking. it was on, it was off. there was still russian aggression, assault, and telling everybody, please go back to our houses. get inside. take shelter. this morning, a cautious optimism. the cease-fire is supposed to last from 10 am local to 9 pm. what we know right now is that we have seen pictures and evidence of the government buses going to the three pick up points and mary-able. ali, we have been talking about this city. it's been under heavy russian environment all week. 450,000 residents living without electricity, no heat, no water. what we know right now is that buses are heading to those pickup locations. there are three pick up locations. you can also take private vehicles. the mayor and city council of that the city has said, if you have a vehicle, a packet full of people, supplies. do not leave your friends, your neighbors, your fellow citizens

behind. now, that green corridor, that humanitarian corridor from mariupol, it's one of those southeastern cities. we've been talking about how the russian aggression, how the russians have been trying to really consolidate that flaxseed belt of cities. we heard from president zelenskyy this morning, odessa, the next one of those cities is next. when they leave mariupol, they will head to safety outside of mariupol twos africa. that's as far as the green corridor will go. then, they will need it to make their way west, of course, to our we are. lviv, just north of where you are, in the west of ukraine is the relative safety. this is the destination, the landing spot for people evacuating the violence of the east. the is the jumping off point for people to get out west to neighboring countries. we heard this morning from the unhcr, the number of people who have left the country, up to 1.5 million. but ali, we have been talking. i don't know if you can see, kind of glory behind me in the shot, a lot of people are walking around. there are a lot of people here

in lviv who planted to say, i do piece, internally paste people, people who have left their homes. people hoping that if they say, they may wait it out so they can go home. as we are seeing pictures and videos from that home, from their eastern cities and towns, that must be are much harder decision in the coming days, ali. harder >> molly, let's stay close this morning. we want to monitor that cease-fire and that humanitarian corridor in southeast russia. with you, molly hunter is in tel aviv. i'm sorry, southeast ukraine. molly hunter is in southeast ukraine. lviv is south of where i am right now. most of the people who are escaping lviv are going to pull and. it's within 50 kilometers of the polish border. i want to go to nbc news correspondent -- who's in poland. kelly, the unhcr tweeted this morning that this is the fastest growing refugee crisis in europe since world war ii,

just that picture, without you even saying anything. that picture, the imagery behind you does not look like the kind of thing that we should be expecting to see in 2022. these are refugees escaping their country with a literally all they can carry. >> yeah, and they are primarily women and children. and, there are coming now in record numbers. there was another record broken yesterday again here in poland. 129,000 people arriving in this country and one day. and, those countries are already up again. this morning, a nearly 40,000 people arriving by 7:00 this morning. these are women and children. oftentimes, they are exhausted. they are traumatized. they've left family behind. here, they can get their immediate needs, warm drinks, shelter, a place to sit, a place to rest, and a ride it to a bigger processing center. but, would volunteer groups are telling us here is that they are now seeing more people arrive who don't have friends

and family in poland and other european countries. and, that brings a whole new set of problems. they need to find places for these people to stay, not just for a couple of days, but for longer term. and while hundreds of thousands of people have offered their homes, not just here, but across europe, the business is turning their offices into shelters. there is a developing need every morning. there is yet another wave of people who need tremendous, tremendous support, ali. there have been a lot of donations coming this way, primarily clothes and supplies. and, volunteers tell us, that's actually not we need. we need two things. we need financial donations, and we need help organizing. they say they really need help from governmental agencies to bring all of these different volunteer groups together and get people the support they need. ali, it just one more thing. you know, and people here are still trying to grasp the reality of what's happening to

them. i spoke to one mother. i said, what do you need most? she said, i need the war to stop so that i can go home. >> kelly, you make an interesting point. one thing that i've seen here in hungary as well as lots of supplies. that's amazing. civil society and civilians are providing those thing. but, there are folks here who don't have a plan. they don't know where to live, and they don't know if they're ever going home. and, that conversation takes place at a higher level. kelly, we will stay close to you. kelly cobiella in poland right now. joining me right now is lieutenant colonel, alexander -- he is the former director of european affairs under the national security council, senior adviser to vote vance, and the offer of an important matter, here right matters. he is the man who blew the whistle on donald trump's shakedown campaign to try to pressure the ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy to damage joe biden in the run up to the 2020 election.

colonel, it is good to see you this morning. thank you for being with us. the conversation has evolved into one of this no fly zone. that member of parliament after member of parliament and the president of ukraine spoke directly to 300 members of the u.s. congress yesterday. kept on asking for it, america continues to maintain, and nato continues to maintain that that is a nonstarter because of how russia would view that as aggression, as an act of war. what's your take on what has to be done now? wh at's your take on what has t >> well, one thing, we need to start looking past defeatism, and this perspective from the government, our own government that there is not much we can do. that's actually been the call all along. we followed it erupts lead. we followed zelenskyy's lead with regard to the sanctions. the european banks -- europe, russia's central bank, they went after a swift, and we followed and trail. we are not really leading this

one. what we need to start doing is recognize that we do have a role. the longer this work continues, the greater possibility that we get drawn into this. for everything that we've done thus far has been really reluctantly. we've been a reluctant player based on this threat that somehow this could spill over into a broader conflict. it has. there is going to be an economic toll. and there is going to be a toll on food supplies around the world. there is going to be at all within information space. relations with russia have -- they are almost not existent at this point. so, we need to start thinking, and planning for long term. i wrote an article about foreign affairs, this is a concept we had in world war ii, to sustain our european allies, the uk. and actually, the soviet union in particular, by establishing depots and continuous convoys to make sure that they were supplied for a long campaign. and, that's really the way we work our way through this. because, russia launched a very,

very poorly conceived plan. plan a was to rapidly grow into ukraine, and take the cities, and then leave. plan be is really not all that dissimilar. its massive forces trying to surround kyiv, believing their supply lines are exposed. yesterday, they took nine losses in aircraft. that's massive, the largest amount of aircraft lost by probably any major power since world war ii. we need to start thinking about the long haul, how this is going to be a slug. plan c looks like russia surrounding kyiv, maybe. i don't, know they don't have enough combat power. this gives -- this gets drawn out longer and longer, bleeding out the russian armed forces that are not doing super great. and, that kind of human catastrophe, we get pulled in. it's just that simple. there is no return to normal. the question is, how do we keep a cold war from turning into a hot war? and, we do this by provisioning that ukrainians with medium and

on ridge anti tank, with air defense capabilities, and with aerial vehicles, to strike deep targets. that's how we get through this. >> so, i can't underscore the degree to which you are an expert on this. you are not only an expert at the national security council. you are in that room where, you know, a precursor to this event took place, when donald trump tried to deny congressionally approved aid to ukraine. but, you are also from here. you are from ukraine. i want to read it just a little bit from this article that you published in foreign affairs which i think is a must read. it's why you've been saying. i want to just put this on the screen so that our viewers can see. the kremlin has suffered catastrophic losses in terms of personnel, vehicles, and equipment. but, the russian military has significant reserves to replenish its forces. meanwhile, ukraine will run short of fuel, ammunition, anti tank weapons, air defense systems, unmanned combat aerial vehicles, and aircraft long before it's man power is exhausted or it's morale breaks.

western democracies have the necessary resources to close this gap, and ensure that ukraine prevails. so, if that's not a no-fly zone, what does that actually look like on the ground? does it look like ukrainians having missiles and javelins to take down aircraft and helicopters, and missile battery? >> that's exactly right. it's not nato coming in with a no fly zone. we have to remember that things that seemed unpalatable ten days ago are now being discussed. these aircrafts that the u.s., from what i understand, it may have obstructed from poland, these soviet aircraft coming forward are now -- there are serious discussions about pushing those forward. poland, slovakia, and bulgaria. so, these things that seemed unpalatable before are now quite reasonable. and, things that will seem -- that seem unpalatable now, a week, or two weeks from now are going to be necessary. so, options are going to narrow. risks are going to increase. but, this is not something that really significantly increases

risk. providing -- we provide more of the air vehicles. so, we've broken the code on that one. the members of nato are doing it. it's that ukrainians using their stuff that we provide them. so, it's not nato, direct nato involvement. it's completely within the bounds of how these things have unfolded in previous wars. we have to remember, this is not the first time we are facing off against russia. and, the question is, how do we avoid bilateral confrontation. russia knockdown are planes in korea. they knock down plans on behalf of the north korean forces. they did the same thing in vietnam. so, there are ways to do this better not escalatory. >> let me ask you about the pressure on russia. many people remember the cold war. they remember the end of the cold war. they remember that russian peoples dissatisfaction with how much money, or lack of success russia was having in

afghanistan. they remember terrible, terrible standards of living. that your own family experience. it does seem, with all these sanctions and all these companies pulling out, all of the shipping companies not doing business there, visa and mastercard -- it does is he that the russian people are going to give up all the gains that they have had since the end of the cold war. >> absolutely, this is going to be a reversal to that depths of the cold war with the soviet union was isolated from the financial institutions, from media. there is no such thing as free press. we went from an oligarchy, which had some artifacts of democracy, to an outright radical dictatorship. there is no semblance of a freedom. the laws that are being passed right now, where if somebody steps out of line, and says anything critical about that war, they can be sent to jail. those are the kinds of, you know, draconian tactics that the government is using. but right now, we are seeing tests. this is what i would call political protests. against the war.

when we turn to social economic protest, when people can't see their families because of the activities of vladimir putin, food is not coming in. to a certain extent, although they have some bread baskets, or a lot of wheat supplies. but, none of the comforts that they've endured for the past 30 years. when those start to fall away, when the security services stop getting paid, that's when you start getting major unrest. and, that body bags coming back from ukraine, that's going to have a multiplayer effect. it's going to be 11,000 russian shoulders that have died. that's a tragic, enormous number of russian soldiers that were expanded. there are only more coming based on the plans that are unfolding. it doesn't take a deep intelligence which i don't have access to. you can just see that facts unfold on the ground. it's crystal clear white, how other russians are operating, what kinds of directions they've gotten from their leadership, putin, and so forth. it's going to be a catastrophe. >> lieutenant colonel alexander

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border at tiszabecs, hungary. the ukrainian border is about 1000 feet over there, it's across the river. these two refugees have just come in from ukraine. shoshanna and daniel. daniel is in the ninth grade. they've just come in. daniel, tell us a bit about yourself. >> my name is daniel. i come from -- .

[interpreter] >> i don't have so much problems at home. like they would have been kyiv or hark of, but it is still very sad over there. >> tell me about how you decided to leave. did you just pick up the things that you could carry and come to hungary? >> [interpreter] >> we had to go because, although we're not under a fight, there is no work to do. we just can't make a living without work to do. we cannot finance our lives for no money, whatsoever. the country had stopped existing, so we had to leave. >> how was the journey? >> [interpreter]

>> it was normal. we had to walk all the way to the border, it was not hard to get through the border. finally, we were received by these carrying people who have enlisted us and told us where to go, how they could help us. and they gave us some food. so it was quite human. >> what is your plan now? the of somewhere to go, do you know where you're going to go? do you know people in hungry? >> [interpreter] >> we have some family in hungary. we are going to enroll him at

school, because it's important he goes to school. we don't know how long we are going to stay here. but, for now, we have to. we'll see what the future brings, where undecided about the rest. >> do you hope to go home? >> [interpreter] >> of course. where else would i be going? home is where home is. i want to go home. >> [interpreter] >> we have to go home. her husband is at home and she has to go home to her belongings, to her husband, to her friends, everything. so, that's the plan. but it probably cannot be carried out. >> thank you. thank you for coming to talk to us. we hope you do well here, and that you can go home soon. all right, daniel and shoshanna. of course, and he is with our team. she helps us organize things

and translate things for us. trying to take a quick break, as you can see these refugee buses continue to flow in and out of here. there's a school behind me, that's where they go in. they check, and they get the help they need and try and get resettled. we're going to take a quick break, you're watching a special addition of velshi. where on the hungarian border with ukraine, we'll be right back. 'll be right back as a struggling actor, i need all the breaks that i can get. at liberty butchumal- cut. liberty biberty- cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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ukrainian border. it's about 1000 feet that way. momentarily, you will see another bus of refugees coming in at quite the pace now. they come in, here they get help, there is a baptist church organization over here. again, i pointed this out over the last few days. there's not a lot of official government of hungry activity going on. there is the red cross, there are church groups and there are civilians who have come from across the country to help out in these border towns. that bice is going to arrive in just a moment, you will see

that the refugees get off that bus. they are volunteers there to help them, you can see them in the bright colored vests. the un agency, are the un high commissioner for refugees are here. you could see the bus pulling and right now. this is a hungarian bus, it is bringing in people who have come in from the border. this is a brand-new arrival. momentarily you will start to see the refugees who have finish that journey, coming over right now. i want to, just for a moment, go back to ukraine. raggedy ann, he is a journalist that large for the washington post. he's been reporting for decades on more than 65 countries. i have to say, even for you, what you are seeing, including the bombing of civilians and residential homes, is even something that is difficult for somebody with your level of experience to process.

>> absolutely, ali. from what i've been seeing here so far, it's devastating. i want yesterday to a village just outside of kyiv, about six miles west. families, also who were outside in a house that got obliterated by an airstrike. the house doesn't exist anymore, neither do their neighbors five houses. this poor family was digging through the rubble, searching for any documents they could find. passports, deeds, certificates, so they can move on. among the dead was a 12-year-old disabled girl. the daughter of the owner of the house. extremely tragic scenes here. >> we are alternating between the video of what you're talking about in the live video here, where these refugees are getting out of their vehicles.

it looks very compact. they get out they've got only what you can carry. somebody is bringing a stroll around now, for their family. everybody's got small carry on style bags. this belies the story that everything in these peoples lives, they've had to make choices as if they're making on a weekend trip somewhere, but these are their lives. you're seeing it on the other side. the choices that people have to make when they decide to leave. choices that, two weeks ago, many ukrainians didn't think they are going to have to make. >> that's exactly right. we're at the 11th day of war, you're seeing more and more people increasingly desperate to get out of the capital kyiv. early days, people had some hope that there might perhaps be a diplomatic solution, maybe international sanctions would work. the ukrainian forces would protect the city. now, the russian forces are increasingly getting closer and closer and people are getting extremely worried. they are feeling like the noose

is tightening in. just this morning, people were fleeing an area called airplane, which is a satellite town north of kyiv. considered a northern suburb. they were leaving because there was shelling going on, and as they were trying to get across the bridge the russians were shelling. so people had to flee, try to reach these buses that were going to evacuate them to the train station and put them on trains that were going to come towards lviv and possibly poland. i'm sure some will also even go down your way as well. it's getting more desperate for people. as you said earlier, people are leaving, literally, with nothing, with whatever close they can carry. i met people at the train station who, basically, they are walking just with the clothes on their backs, they're carrying a couple backpacks. when you ask them why, their first answer is, it's so we can move fast, mobility. so they can get on these crowded trains going west.

because it is standing room only. because they want to bring their kids, and they'd rather have space in their bags for their kids clothes and kids toys, because our trying to shield their children from the war. a lot of decisions being taken by ukrainians, here. i'm afraid, from what i've seen on the ground here, there seems to be a lot more people heading for the exits. >> in fact, the un, i spoke to something from the un who said that the number, the official count is somewhere around 1.5 million. they suspect it might be double or even more of that right now, because so many are getting out who aren't being counted. not everyone has been accounted for, because of the size of this exodus. what we are seeing, sedans and, is mostly women and mostly children. largely because most men of fighting age, 18 to 60, are being asked or prevented from leaving ukraine in order to stay and fight. >> that is absolutely correct.

i've met many males who were at the train station here in kyiv and their whole plan was to take their families out to lviv or some other western area, where they believe it's a lot safer, place them with families or relatives or friends and then come back here to fight. so, i've met a man who are actually heading on a train to kharkiv so they could sign up and fight the russians. definitely, there is a sense here that many males can stay and fight. of course, the government has essentially banned men of fighting age from leaving the country. whether they like it or not, men have no option but to get in there and fight for the cause. do something for their country. not necessarily fight. i've met many people who are making food for the troops, others are in bunkers making molotov cocktails or --

people are really trying to do their part to their homeland against the russians. it's a very collective resilience, honestly i haven't really seen this in many parts of the world in this manner. >> yeah. so darlington, we are grateful for people like you who are bearing witness. that's the main job of journalists in this world, to show people what is actually happening. particularly in this moment, where so many people, so many innocent rush, and so many soldiers in the russian army, don't know what the truth is. you are there, bringing us that truth. so tyson raggedy ann is a correspondent with the washington post, thank you for being with us. and please, please, please be safe. i want to go straight to unison, a ukrainian parliament member. she is currently helping ukrainians evacuate in kyiv. what is the situation where you are? >> i was moving into this town

helping to get people into that town. their route was extremely complicated and difficult, because of the many checkpoints. took us two hours just to buy gas, we couldn't buy gas for the car. just now, when we moved out of the gas station where at the airport and it was just bombarded from the air, from russian aviation. now, with this, i should take the people because there doesn't seem to be a safe place anymore. so, this is relative now. we don't know when the next bombs will go down. we are trying to protect ourselves, some people are concerned. many people are moving in the western direction. there's not enough beds, people are scared, there's lots of cars with children and them. people are running away because they see that they cannot protect their loved ones from

the bombs. that's why they've issued this no fly zone, at least issuing that we have the fighter jets to ensure that it is so crucial it is actually a matter of survival for all of us now. >> and, you have been asking for that, and your president was meeting members of the u.s. congress yesterday to ask for that. and, there are people who are starting to -- i just spoke to the lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, who said things that seemed impossible to weeks ago seem imperative today. and, things that seemed impossible today will seem possible two weeks from now. but, can you survive? can you continue the resistance with added support, added military support from western countries, from nato, from the eu, things like stinger missiles, and javelins? >> truly not. so, the west needs to know that ukraine will fall in case we are not getting enough support. and if ukraine falls, that is again important to understand. if ukraine falls, then russia

will move to the eastern border of poland. they also say they want to invite paul owed to nato. they will invade pull. and so, now we are asking them to intervene on our territory. we are risking our territory. we are about to lose them anyway. let's try to save some of those lives, especially the lives of children. that is probably the most painful for me to see. just from this morning, i know three confirmed deaths of children. at the border state, where they bombarded residential areas, there were victims that were children. like, one child ended up, who was thrown out -- that three year old just doesn't have a three -- a leg anymore because of the russian bombs. they have been shooting at people to evacuate, which has just been reported. they started shooting at people who are trying to get the children out of that town. those are cool people. this is an evil empire.

and, we really needed to fight back. in order to do that, -- we have seen how confidently the army is doing on the ground. we have to protect our civilians from a bombs falling on the heads. that's all we are asking for. we are doing well on the ground. we actually managed to push them from kharkiv. we managed to take some of the russian tanks and other equipment. but, we need to protect ourselves. so, these are the fighter jets. we do have volunteers to fly those. there are people who will do that without direct involvement from nato. at least the fighter jets are something that would really, really help us save the light, so we can continue the fight on the ground, and actually win this. >> he, now we spoke, i think it was monday or something. it seems like a lifetime ago. you told me the story about how your father and mother had driven to the west of paul and.

and then, your mother called you to say that your father was coming back to kyiv. you ask him, why is he coming back? he says he's coming back to fight. he's got some military training. your father has a difficulty walking. and he told you, if i can't walk, i will crawl. that's the kind of spirit we are hearing from people. are you still seeing that kind of thing from the people who have decided to stay or return and fight? >> so much. it's actually getting bigger. because, when ukrainians see how cruel the russians are, with them seeing how they are treating ukrainian children. when ukrainians see what is happening to my native city kharkiv, which has just been shelled for the last few days. mariupol, people are sitting there without electricity, without heating. there was a child who died of pneumonia, a 40 day old child who died of. that ukrainians are seeing that. if they are, like we have to stay and fight. so, we are having the spirit.

my dad, yeah, he is with the defense. we have had very sporadic contact with him. he is in the area where intense fighting is taking place. we are extremely worried about him, just as i am about my boyfriend, justin i am about the safety of all the people here in ukraine. this is an extreme people coming to our land. they are not just fighting against ukrainians. they are fighting against the very idea of humanity and respect for human decency. so, we are standing up. the resistance is even bigger. look at the people who went to the streets to protest and southern towns. they have been taken by the russians on the first day of invasion. just today in the morning, this relatively small town, very south of ukraine, very close to ukraine here, russia have taken over. it was really close to crimea. they wanted to protect. 2000 people went to protect that point. people let it go to protest,

and to say they want an independent ukraine. the resilience is actually growing. but also, the fear for the lives of our loved ones is growing as well. s of our loved ones is gr>> yeah, well we pray for your boyfriend and your father, and for your safety. this is an ukrainian parliament member, thank you again for taking the time. we know you are in the midst of helping people evacuate. we want to just get your message out, but i know you need to get back to work. so thank you, and stay safe. well, military aid from the united states and other nato countries is arriving in ukraine. the ukrainian military is receiving a vital tool for defense. i will explain what it is after the break. o said you can't do dinner? who said only this is good? and this is bad? i'm doing it my way. meet plenity. an fda -cleared clinically proven weight management aid for adults with a bmi of 25-40 when combined with diet and exercise. plenity is not a drug - it's made from naturally derived building blocks

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projectile north of kyiv. this video, circulated on social, media it was shared on twitter by the official account of the ukrainian ministry of defense. accompanied by this quote. this is how the russian occupiers are dying, this time in a helicopter. i want to just be clear, nbc news has not yet independently verified whether the helicopter in question is, in fact, russian. what you are seeing here is most likely the work of a surface to air missile. military experts at the aviation is say that the projectile was shot down by some sort of stinger missile. this is video of ukrainian military drills from back in december. as you can see, stinger missiles, and similarly, javelin missiles, can up the game of any army no matter how on outgunned it maybe by his enemies. ukraine in this case is unlocked because the united states and several other nato allies have begun shipping stockpiles of these lethal weapons to ukraine to help it defend itself. the white house reportedly sent

hundreds of stinger missiles as part of the 350 million dollar aid package approved for ukraine, back on february the 26th. according to the hill, the pentagon says that the vast majority of that aid has already reached the country. it's in ukraine. the stinger and javelin missiles are both american made, portable surface to air missiles. they're known to take out tanks aircrafts and low flying aircrafts. 20 now is matt nance, he is at terrorism analyst and the director of the tour asymmetric project. he left kyiv just as the fighting was breaking out, but he was mapping at the routes that the russians would likely take to get in there. malcolm, i want to ask you about these lethal weapons. if you think back to 2014, the invasion of crimea, there is a complaint from the ukrainians that the europeans and americans were sending them all kinds of things that were handy, like blankets, but this was what they actually needed.

some are lamenting that this is the weaponry that didn't get to the ukrainians before. now now that it's in their, hands were kind of a difference can it make? >> well, it's making a great difference. we know, right now, that the two weapons that are having the most impact, that you're showing on video, the javelin anti tank missile. which is a brilliant, front lined system, has a thermal imager, you can see the heat and you can see and low light. all you have to do is lock on the tanker vehicle that you're attacking, press the button, once it launches you can get up and go get a cup of coffee. because the missile will do all of the work for you. it will fly, so you can get up and displays and move to another position, put on another missile. these things generally don't miss, the statistics we've seen thus far, if they can be held up, our 89.5 hit ratio with these weapon systems. there are four main battle

tanks and heavy personnel carriers, and they're apparently blowing the turrets off the best battle tanks that the russians have. the t-80. the other weapon is the stinger missile, which we call a man pad or man portable air defense system. as you saw on that helicopter clip right there, low altitude shot, blew the engine right off the helicopter and crashed it into the ground. that helicopter was actually out to recover and other aircraft that had been shot down a few hours earlier. so, they had set up these surface to air missile traps. but this does, it forces the russians back up above 10,000 feet. they come to below 10,000 feet, this is very good western technology, some of the newer spinners are going to them, they're very hard to evade. >> we just heard from alexander vindman, who is making the point that, we can't confirm these numbers, but if they are to be believed about what the ukrainian resistance has taken

in terms of russian aircraft, no major military has lost that many aircraft since the second world war. let's talk about afghanistan for a moment. that is another war in which the resistance was outgunned by the russians, and they were supplied with shoulder launched missiles by the united states. eventually, russia left afghanistan, because it couldn't compete. >> yeah, that was the soviet afghan invasion. the soviet afghan war. we use the early model, the early model stinger missiles, and gave them to the northern alliance forces to actually defeat the russians capability of getting into the mountains. notice, that didn't happen to us. we didn't have a surface to air missile threat. our problem was the roadside bomb threat in the slow, grinding attrition of our soldiers. where the soviet union left for economic reasons, financial reasons, the soviet union was collapsing. afghanistan was just a bleed on them, the americans bled them

dry by destroying all these helicopters. this is going to be a combination of both. that is going to be an enormous amount of anti tank weapons, and enormous amount of surface to air systems. mark my words, i was there, i spoke to the battle commanders, they're going to make that place look like iraq and afghanistan with roadside bombs if they push much further. right, now the ukrainian army is holding, which is a miracle. and the russians are taking very serious losses. >> malcolm, thanks as always for your deep analysis, and the fact that you're in country unable to talk to people. make it all makes sense about what's actually happening on the ground, on ukraine. malcolm nance, nbc terrorism analyst and the author of they want to kill americans. we've got breaking news right now. the canadian interior ministry says the second attempt at a cease-fire in marriott poll has failed. the cease-fire has fallen apart, reportedly resulting in a

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it failed, it's not even clear how long it was in place for yesterday. they tried again, this was to allow people to get, out to allow civilians to get out of mariupol. they agreed on another cease-fire, and it is falling apart. molly is going to be joining us momentarily. joining me now is bobby gauche, journalist for bloomberg opinion. he spent -- moments ago i spoke with a ukrainian parliamentarian, deputy chair of one of the political parties and ukraine. she said that the stinger missiles, the javelins, without a no fly ukraine will fall. she said, we will not survive this. and she is an optimist, her father's, fighting her boyfriend is fighting in the war. she is evacuating people from ukraine. she believes in the spirit of the ukrainian resistance. but she said, very clearly to me, ukraine will fall and maybe poland is next. your take? >> we'll, if that is the case, then unfortunately that will be

the outcome. i can't see nato, the united states, imposing any kind of no-fly zone. that would require putting nato front line pilots in harm's way against russia. high risk of russia regarding that as an act of war. we've heard over and over that they are not going to impose a no fly zone. this is not like iraq, not like kuwait, against a serious, russian air force. highly trained and well armed. that's not going to happen. if the russians are going to have air superiority or, rather, if the ukrainians are going to want to deny russians air superiority, they're going to have to do it themselves. we are seeing efforts from the biden administration to see that arms get to the hands of them. as you said earlier, the stinger missiles, there's also

a proposal to see if poland can share some of its jets. russian made jets, which the ukrainian pilots know how to fly. whether those jets can be made available to the ukrainian air force. nato will do everything they can to give ukraine a fighting chance in the air, short of actually giving nato planes. >> tell people, there's people who are able to say that we were able to do this in iraq. what is the difference? why is iraq a place where a no fly zone can be oppose upon but ukraine isn't? >> iraq was a country that had just been defeated in a major war. up out of kuwait. saddam had a far sit inferior air force, the u.s. and its allies had overwhelming -- gun [inaudible] if one took off it would be

shot down. iraq also had, remember, this was united nations -- that won't happen here because russia enjoys -- russia as a whole other kettle of fish, they have a serious air force. the ukrainians have done a tremendous job in preventing russia from having predominance of the air. these are -- these are highly sophisticated jets, we have seen with they could do in places like syria. this is not the same kind of fight as the iraq war. >> bobby, let me ask you something. we are not, in many cases, able to confirm the video that has been put out. ukraine says they have taken down a lot of aircraft and that a lot of russian troops have died. russia says otherwise. what we have seen, is the description of residential areas. the bombing of homes and things like that. there are rules in wars, and

there are accusations that these are war crimes. that they are targeting civilians. does that change the calculus, of everything that you're saying? at some point, does the west step in a different way to say, innocent people, innocent civilians are being killed in a battle that has nothing to do with them. is that a reason to escalate the way we think about this? >> it would take a much greater escalation for that to happen. even, then i'm not optimistic that the west would put its own people on the line, its own fighters on the line for ukraine. i'm sorry to say that. this is putin's way of, war we've seen this before. we saw this when russian troops obliterated -- we saw, we've been seeing this, over several years when the russians have been doing this and syria. they have been aiding and abetting the syrian dictator,

bachelor assad, in residential areas around cities. this is how russians fight wars. there is no room for supplies, the moment the russians -- [inaudible] . >> i think i've lost bobbies audio. bobby ghosh is up bloomberg opinion editor. if you are just joining us, now it is 8 am in new york. it is 2 pm here in tiszabecs, hungary. we have breaking news. ukraine now says that the second attempt in many days at a cease-fire in mariupol in southeastern ukraine has failed. let's go to ukraine, in lviv. molly hunter is standing by. you and i were monitoring this. it now seems that attempts to get civilians out has once against failed. what have you heard about it? >> yeah, for the second day in a row, ali, for the last hours since we