good evening. i'm medhi hasan. we begin with the effort to get civilians out of the line of fire in ukraine. in the capital city of kyiv, those efforts have come under direct attack from the russian military. "the new york times" reports that it witnessed at least three members of a family trying to flee outside kyiv being killed by a mortar attack. and in mariupol in the south, the planned evacuation of civilians under an agreement negotiated with russia, remember, that evacuation was halted for a second day because of heavy shelling by russian forces. according to the mayor, so much for that limited cease-fire. but if war brings out the worst in some people, it seems that it also brings out the best in others. as train after train carrying ukrainian refugees from warsaw, poland, is arriving in berlin, they are being greeted by volunteers offering them food and warm clothes. so many people wanting to help that organizers have had to send

many of them away. also at the station with the beaming berliners who turned up with hand drawn signs offering rooms and beds to exhausted refugees. then there was the elderly german lady who walked up to a 15-year-old, pressed a hundred euro bill into his hand, tears streaming down her cheek and said "welcome." she made it well. his eyes on his 7-year-old sister as they waited for their parents to return with tickets. we were finally safe. and right at the ukrainian border with poland, there was a 29-year-old man who had driven all the way from his home in the netherlands to offer transportation and accommodations to any ukrainians who want to temporarily stay at his home. this is my human obligation, he told a reporter. that is how so many people across the continent are responding to the exodus of 1.5 million people from inside of ukraine. the astounding number that was given today by the united

nations high commissioner for refugees. i'll be speaking to him in just a moment. 1.5 million people leaving ukraine in just ten days. for context, at the height of the eu refugee crisis in 2015, 1.3 million syrians claimed asylum in europe over the course of a year. shockingly ukraine has seen that many people displaced in little more than a week. but what about the people fleeing from danger in ukraine who aren't carrying ukrainian passports or whose skin isn't white? many african and south asian students who had been studying in ukraine say they have experienced racism as they have tried to leave the country, including a nigerian man that ellison barber talked to after he finally made it to poland. >> they say citizens have seats. why are we not a citizen and had to stand? >> reporter: because you were african you couldn't have an actual seat. >> yes. so we had to stand for 14 hours.

get into the train station in lviv, they say we can't go, we're africans, we can't join the train. >> reporter: was that because no one would let you stay because you were african. >> yes. and this money -- so i have to then book a taxi. it's so expensive. most of them don't have the money. >> imagine price gouging students who are trying to flee a war, or treating them like rosa parks or making them stand on the train just because of the color of their skin. it wasn't okay in 1955 and it certainly isn't okay seven decades later. but it's an attitude that prevails, sadly, in parts of europe. just listen to the leader of spain's nationalist vox party who said only ukrainian refugees

should be allowed into europe, but not muslims, definitely not muslims. [ speaking foreign language ] >> a not-so-subtle verb choice there. when white people seek to cross borders, he said, this eflow. but when muslims do it, they launch like a projectile. the daish government is planning to exempt ukrainian refugees from its controversial jewelry law that allows the government to seize assets and valuables above $1100 u.s. dollars from migrants in order

to fund their stay in denmark. that passed down by generation to generation. the danes said you have to hand that over to pay for your asylum. so i wonder what it is about ukrainian refugees that makes it unnecessary for them to have to raid grandma's jewelry box but perfectly fine when it's syrians or afghans. pretty much the same double standard here in the u.s. where on friday biden's homeland security secretary granted ukrainian refugees temporary protected status for 18 months, as he should have. that's great news. it's only been five months since u.s. border patrol removed thousands of haitian migrants from a makeshift camp along the texas border by horseback and deported them back to port-au-prince against their will. the biden administration continues to rely on title 42 to basically block any and all asylum claims at the border, a cruel vestige of the trump era, one of stephen miller's most

grotesque gifts to humanity. you may be sitting at home tonight wondering what can you do to help the people of ukraine, to try to fight for light over darkness. you could donate money to charity. we all should in fact. but you know what else you can do? pressure our own government here at home to make sure that we in the united states actually open our borders to refugees. we lead by example. open our borders to haitians, to afghans, and, yes, to ukrainians. earlier i spoke with the united nations high commissioner for refugees. he was at a refugee transit camp along the polish border. hi, commissioner, thank you for joining me on the show today. as of today, as of sunday, how many ukrainian refugees total have crossed the border out of ukraine and into neighboring countries? and how big do you think that number could get in the coming days and weeks? >> 1.5 million.

we have passed a terrible mark today, sunday, during the day. you see i am here, you hear the noise perhaps, i am here in the reception center set up by the polish authorities. and supported essentially by the local communities, it's quite amazing the welcome here. but this welcome will have to be sustained because as you said, it's not going to stop and we may see many, many more people coming. there's millions on the move in ukraine. the border is just next door here and we went to see the crossing today. you have long lines of people waiting on the other side. so we cannot predict how many are going to come, but i fear there will be many, many more. >> put this in context for us. how big is this refugee crisis compared to other refugee crisis that we've seen on the continent in recent years?

how far back in history do you have to go to find something comparable? >> well, in europe, here in europe, i don't think, i've been trying to reflect, but i don't think that since the second world war more than 70 years ago there has been such a colossal force of population movement. they were worried about the balkans that displaced millions of people but over an extended period of time. here we're talking about ten days. 1.5 million in ten days. >> it's the russian invasion of ukraine that has caused this massive displacement of people across borders. what is your message to the russian government right now? >> when you talk to people, and i've talked to people here at the cross -- border crossing with poland, i talked to people two days ago in moldova, i talk

to people in romania and they all say the same things. they're afraid. they're afraid of the bombs, of the sirens, of military action. so the message is this is exposing a human tragedy. everybody rightly is focusing on security, on geopolitics, on this macro aspect. let's not forget that these are women, children, elderly people, disabled people fleeing for their life. this is the human cost of what is happening in ukraine. >> commissioner, i know you're in poland. there's been a criticism of countries like poland and hungary that they shut their doors to syrians and afghans and other brown muslim refugees but not to white ukrainians. that's a criticism, is it not, that the eu has been welcoming to ukraine but not to brown

refugees from middle east wars? >> to date here i have not seen this happen and i've seen people of different nationalities coming in. in moldova, in romania, definitely we have not seen this happen. there may have been instances, there have been instances, we've reported that to the authorities. i've spoken to the authorities, and they have assured me that this is not government policy. there are procedures that may be different depending on what passport you have. it's more of an administrative kind. but it is important and we've stressed this point that everybody is treated in the same way and that the door is open for everybody who wants to come through because they're all in the same danger. >> high commissioner, you're obviously acknowledging there there have been reports of segregated lines for white and black refugees at the polish border, of black mothers and

children even being thrown off of refugee trains. that's horrific. i was referring to the wider issue which is recent years your agency has criticized the eu of its treatment of people coming from the middle east, from libya, in afghanistan, the deportation of asylum seekers. i'm wondering whether you think this crisis, where eu countries have opened their borders, that that will change things in the future, that this could be a turning point for how the world treats refugees, or am i being naive. >> no, you're not being naive, you are saying something very important. i think what this crisis -- the message that it is also sending among many other messages is that anybody can become a refugee and any country can become the one receiving refugees from next door. so the only way to respond to this crisis is to work together,

to share, to share the responsibility. this is really the strong message. maybe in this terrible tragedy, we don't want this to continue, but in this terrible tragedy this is a little silver lining and we need to build on it in europe and not only europe, worldwide. refugees are an international responsibility because they have lost the protection of their country. they cannot be protected in their country. let's make that important element, important teaching of the refugee convention a universal practice after what we're learning here. >> high commissioner for refugees from the polish border, thank you so much for your time today. i appreciate it. >> thank you. another european nation that's now drawing a distinction between ukrainian refugees and those from other countries is hungary. msnbc's ali velshi is at a

border crossing in hungary where it's just after 2:00 a.m. he joins me now. good morning, ali. >> reporter: good morning, my friend. that was a very enlightening interview. >> it was -- look, it's crazy what the refugee high commissioner is telling us about the situation on the ground. its world war ii proportions. you're seeing people coming into hungary now. what have you been seeing for the last 24 hours? >> reporter: well, i've seen a few different versions of this, including the fact that a lot of the segregation and racism that we've seen toward people who are not ukrainian born was taking place in ukraine. a lot of these people were segregated as that woman -- that man who was talking to ellison barber mentioned, that happened in ukraine. then there are issues at the borders. now, poland, which you are talking about, is doing a substantially better job, better than 60% of all the people leaving ukraine are going to poland. there are a lot of reasons for that. hungary is the next largest

group, about 12.5%. i had someone telling me at the train station, look, they have volunteers -- it's all volunteer operated in hungary. victor orban, he attended oxford as you did. he makes a bit of a business out of being anti-immigrant and talking about nationalism and the cultural heritage of ukraine, so the government is not that involved as they are in poland but civil society, the churches, individual volunteers, people had said that they were going to take refugees in as they came in. so at this hour at 2:00 a.m. on wednesday morning -- or thursday morning, wednesday night, a train came in and they had housing and transportation arranged for most people except there were some black people on there. because ukraine is full of, as you said, africans and south asians who generally go there to study and sometimes stay to work. and they struggled with it. the volunteers were telling me they struggled with it. they did get everybody a home, because there are lots of fantastic hungarian people and i've been meeting them for days and days and days who are doing

all sorts of things to help everyone, but this is a country that struggles with this. hungary was the front lines of all that stuff that you just described with the syrian refugees. victor orban makes a distinction between refugees and migrants. refugees, he says, are sort of legitimate people who are fleeing political persecution. migrants are opportunists. basically the way he's colored this is people who were coming from the arab world were slipping in on the slip stream to try to get to europe. these people are really fleeing a crisis. but that's not how it breaks down in practicality, medhi. it turns out they're okay with whiter people than they are with darker people. >> i'm so glad, ali, you mentioned the fantastic hungarian volunteers doing great work because we too often reduce an entire country to their authoritarian leader. >> yes. >> and hungary is not just victor orban. by the way, there's 16 years

older than me, there's no way we went to university together. i'll let that one go. thanks, ali, stay safe and thank you for the update tonight. appreciate it. coming up, president zelenskyy pleaded with members of congress for fighter jets and a russian oil embargo. congressman eric swalwell joins me next to discuss what more the u.s. can and should be doing to help ukraine. plus, putin himself seems to think his invasion is in violation of the u.n. charter. i'll explain how and when he said that. said that. when you shop with wayfair, you spend less and get way more. so you can bring your vision to life, and save in more ways than one. for small prices, you can build big dreams. spend less. get way more. shop everything home at wayfair today.

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how long might this devastating russian assault on ukraine continue? have a listen to secretary of state antony blinken this morning on that very subject. >> vladimir putin has, unfortunately, the capacity with the sheer manpower that he has in ukraine and the overmatch

that he has, the ability to keep grinding things down against incredibly resilient and courageous ukrainians. i think we have to be prepared for this to last for some time. >> joining me now to discuss the escalating conflict is congressman eric swalwell. congressman, thanks for coming on the show tonight. beyond exerting economic pressure on russia, how far is the u.s. willing to go in this conflict? secretary blinken again ruled out a no-fly zone this morning. he's right on that, isn't he? >> yes, at least right now. i never like taking any option off the table. somehow u.s. troops or a nato ally was hit, perhaps carrying out refugee assistance, i think we should reconsider all of our options. but we're going to pass, i hope, in the next couple of days $10 billion in humanitarian, economic and military relief for the ukrainians as they are bogged down in this fight for their democracy, for their

capital, for their culture and hopefully our allies across the globe are able to meet that, match that and assist them. >> and ukrainian president zelenskyy has requested allies send planes. just this morning secretary blinken said the u.s. is working with poland to provide ukraine with those planes. do we know why it's taken so long to get these vital resources to the ukrainians? four or five days ago a lot of countries said we'll said migs. >> that's right. they needed that when the convoy was getting closer and closer to kyiv and some of the other cities that have been bombed out and children have died as a result of those not coming in sooner. but we need to continue to press for that, mehdi. also i'm moved by some of the outside private sector efforts to try and isolate russia. and i just want to say this to the russian people, that i would vote as quickly for $10 billion in humanitarian aid for

ukrainians as i would for ten times that for a new russian democracy that was out of ukraine, didn't have vladimir putin as its president and gave rights, fundamental rights to its people. so it gives me no pleasure to see the russian people suffer, but right now ukrainians are hiding in subways and children are dying and we have to do something. >> a lot of them are fleeing the country. i spoke to the u.n. high commissioner earlier for refugees and he compared this to world war ii population movements, over 1.5 million people. secretary blinken spoke about the u.s. response to the crisis. the white house has offered temporary protected status to ukrainians already in this country but overall, congressman, our own refugee record even on joe biden's watch has not been great. you've got title 42 blocking asylum claims at the southern border. less than 12,000 refugees, not including those from afghanistan, who were accepted into the country last year. our refugee record is pretty shameful right now, is it not? >> we should increase our

ability to process all of those claims. i always supported that. i supported that when i was a presidential candidate. that only lasted a cup of coffee so you may not have remembered that, mehdi, but i do believe whether it's haitian refugees, refugees from the golden triangle of honduras, guatemala, el salvador, or of course in syria where europe has largely beared the brunt of that migration, stepping up and helping out here as well. >> congressman, axios is reporting tonight that joe biden is considering a visit maybe to saudi arabia in the spring to try and get them to pump more oil. so we want to stop buying oil from russia because it's bombing ukraine, but we'll buy oil from the saudis who are bombing yemen. how does that make any sense? is it not time to reduce our overall dependency on foreign oil to begin with? >> i don't like dealing with the saudis, i'll say that. i'll let the president say that.

also because of what happened to someone who was a peer of yours, jamal khashoggi. >> yes. >> but i do believe that we need to expand the oil resources we have or the energy resources we have in the united states in the short term so that we can cut our own selves off from russia oil. i'm okay doing that in the short term, but i don't think that means that takes away our responsibility to really double and triple down on clean energy investments in america. but if this could be the difference-maker with vladimir putin, i'm okay with short-term solutions. i would prefer not to have to work with the saudis, to be honest. >> clean energy is the key rather than switching from one foreign autocrat to another. i'd like to turn to russia's detainment of wnba star brittney griner. the former ambassador to moscow recently reacted to her detention, calling it a wake-up call for americans to get out of russia. griner's wife released a

statement on the continued effort to get her out of the country and asked for privacy. your thoughts on this situation? >> it's heart breaking. that's why the state department is calling on all americans to get out of russia. we do believe that russians will seek opportunities to detain indefinitely americans in retaliation. so i hope we can press the case to get her home, but this is really a call for americans to get home quickly, because this is isn't ending any time soon with russia and we want all americans safe. >> congressman, one last quick question before we run out of time. you were criticized for calling for all russian students to be kicked out of america. are you referring to the kids of oligarchs who are in putin's inner circle or are you referring to all ordinary average russian kid who we should be welcoming surely at a time like that? >> just those connected to oligarchs. that's on me if it wasn't clear. i tried to make it clear ever since anyone asked about that. i don't want to punish

non-oligarch students. in fact someone told me the other day that navalny's daughter is a student in the united states and we wouldn't want to send her back to russia. this is how emotional this has put all of us. we want to see the ukrainians safe and want to do everything we can but we need to take a beat and recognize that there are consequences to everything we do. but the goal must be that vladimir putin fails. >> we agree on that. i'm glad you're able to clarify that. congressman swalwell, appreciate you coming on the show tonight, thank you. >> my pleasure. still ahead, do you know who might be against putin's invasion of ukraine? might be willing to condemn it as a violation of sovereignty? vladimir putin. yeah, give me 60 seconds and i'll explain after a very short break. break.

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start the clock. you know who thinks vladimir putin is breaking international law and violating the u.n. charter? vladimir putin does. the vladimir putin of 2003 who loudly opposed the u.s. invasion of iraq a month before the u.s. invasion putin said i'm convinced that it would be a grave error to be drawn into unilateral action. grave error outside of the law. putin said it, not me. in december 2003, the russian president said the use of force abroad according to international law can only be sanctioned by the unite nations. it cannot be recognized as fair, not justified. his words, not mine. it wasn't just in iraq when putin was opposing a u.s. strike in syria, the russian president said this in a "new york times" op-ed. forces presented only in defense, anything else is unacceptable under the united nations charter and would constitute an act of aggression. if you go outside the security council and launch a war that isn't self-defense that is an illegal act of aggression. so putin may say ukraine is justifiable but according to putin of 2003 or 2013, it's an

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the united states department of justice is assembling a dedicated task force to go after the crimes of the russian oligarchs. we're joining with european allies to find and seize their yachts, their luxury apartments, their private jets. we're coming for your ill be gotten gains. >> what a sight, what a sight. there's nothing quite like watching a yacht being snatched from the clutches of putin's cronies. but all jokes and humor aside, is seizing a yacht actually going to make a difference in terms of stopping russia's invasion of ukraine? will these wealth seizures from putin's favorite oligarchs remotely influence the actions and behavior of the kremlin? earlier today i spoke with bill browder who is author of

"freezing order" which is all about chasing putin's money laundering efforts around the world. bill browder, thanks for coming back on the show tonight. you know russia's oligarchs better than most. are they being squeezed as much as you'd like to see them squeezed? and will that squeezing lead to them pressuring putin to withdraw? >> well, first of all, there are only roughly a dozen oligarchs on the u.s. sanctions list so far. in order to really touch putin, we need to go after a full hundred of them. so there's a lot more work to do by the government and adding names to the sanctions list. but there's a misconception here. i don't believe that the oligarchs have the power individually or even collectively to overthrow putin. the purpose of sanctioning the oligarchs is the oligarchs is the custodians of putin's money. these are the people who hold putin's money offshore. by sanctioning them, freezing their assets, we're freezing

putin's assets. the purpose of this exercise is to reduce his financial ability to execute a war in ukraine and make it so his offshore money is inaccessible. >> so on that note in terms of making it unaffordable for him to fight a war in ukraine, what did you make of joe biden last week in his state of the union warning russian oligarchs that the u.s. was coming for their, quote, ill begotten gains, for their yachts, their private jets and the department of justice announcing afterwards task force klepto capture to go after them? >> it's music to my ears. i've been screaming from the rooftops for years that this is what has to happen and have the president of the united states telling oligarchs that we're going after their money is a very strong statement. but i'm not going to congratulate the president just yet because a statement of intent can be often not implemented properly. i've seen this happen where i

live in london and in the united states. and so the actual statement of intent needs to be followed up by very rigorous implementation. there needs to be more oligarchs added. and the department of justice has to actually freeze some of these assets and seize some of these assets, and that will send a very strong message back to vladimir putin. >> bill, as you mentioned, the sanctions are targeting a handful of oligarchs but they're also targeting the russian people in many ways, the country as a whole. they are no longer targeted, they are sweeping, they are crippling,s the financial sector, the business sector, the central bank itself. you have major credit card transactions suspended now, the stock market closed. and the danger is, is it not, that you make an isolated, be sieged russia and russian people more angry, more reactionary, more anti-western. isn't that a danger? >> well, in a perfect world, you wouldn't touch the russian people at all.

my prescription for this was well before the invasion took place, the united states teaming up with the rest of theallies, sanction a small group of oligarchs to show putin we were serious about this. putin didn't think that we would do this. he's seen the last -- the invasion of georgia, the taking of crimea and there was no serious consequences for him. and so he thought the same thing was going to happen here. and we have shown him we were serious, then we wouldn't have had to touch anybody in russia. we could have just touched him and his cronies, the oligarchs, and let all of the innocent russians alone. but we're now in a horrible situation where putin is waging a massive -- i wouldn't even call it an invasion or war, it's a terrorist -- it's a terrorist operation where he's just terrorizing and killing and maiming innocent civilians all over the place. it's the most heart breaking, awful thing i've ever seen. and at this point what are our options? our main option is just to

completely and absolutely decapitate him financially so he can't execute this war. he's not a guy who's going to negotiate with us. he's not a guy who has a reverse gear. he's a guy who just moves forward, just elevates, just escalates. our own choice at this point is to take away his money at the central bank, take away his money through the oligarchs, take away his money in every way we can, so as he's burning through billions and billions of dollars a day, he eventually runs out of money. >> so aside from the financial aspects of this campaign, what more needs to be done in your view to pressure putin into withdrawing his forces from ukraine and protecting the ukrainian people? >> well, i think the most important thing at this point is that we're watching effectively a genocide taking place in front of our eyes on television, the way in which the russians are behaving. the ukrainians are begging us for some type of air cover. you can call it a no-fly zone,

you can call it a humanitarian corridor, you can call it what you want. we can give them the equipment, we can lend them the equipment, we can run the equipment ourselves, but they need to be able to control their airspace. and while we're sitting here just watching them getting massacred, it's just unforgivable for us. we can't be doing this. everyone says we don't want world war iii, well, we're going to get world war iii if we don't stop this thing because after ukraine, he's not stopping. he's going to challenge nato at estonia or lithuania or poland and then we're going to have a much harder, more awful decision to make. do we want to go to war with russia to protect estonia. i don't think we want to be put in that position. so what we need to do is give -- >> bill, i'm going to jump in and say i totally understand the instinct and response of the no-fly zone. president zelenskyy has called for one. secretary of state blinken says he understands the call for it but you can't have a war with

russia. does it make sense to say we want to avoid a war in estonia than starting a war in ukraine. as much as we all want to stand with the people of ukraine, can we really risk a nuclear holocaust over that? >> the moment you say we can't risk a nuclear holocaust, we might as well surrender ourselves and let him roll over all of europe. he has nuclear weapons. he can point them at us at any point. the moment we say we don't want to have a nuclear war with you, we don't want to have a confrontation with you is the moment he said, okay, then you fold. he's got a pair of twos, we have a full house. we can't allow him to roll over one country and then the next and the next. mark my words, in a few weeks time we'll be having a different conversation about a no-fly zone. >> yeah, i don't think we agree on a no-fly zone but i appreciate you always coming on the show and talking these issues out with me, bill. thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. still ahead, imagine walking 15 hours on foot in the cold

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a ukrainian foreign policy analyst and co-chair of the transatlantic task force on ukraine, which works to strengthen international support for ukraine's national security. this weekend she arrived in poland after spending one week in bomb shelters in kyiv. overhead she could hear russian war craft pummel the city that she called home. after 15 hours of crossing the polish border on foot in the cold, she finally made it to a safe place. after this harrowing journey, i was able to speak with her. take a listen. thanks so much for joining me on the show today. can i start by asking how are you feeling right now? what have the past ten days been like for you? what have you had to do to stay safe? >> yeah, thank you for having me. well, of course i'm very anxious not just for my family and my personal future, but for the future of ukraine and we have seen how strong a response the

ukrainian army and civilians have been giving to the russian invasion in the past 11 days. but of course the situation remains very tense, very unpredictable and ukraine is still under anunpredictable. and we -- we don't know what the future holds, and we really need more western support. the past day tens have been really indescribable for me and my family. we spent quite some time in bomb shelters and sleeping on the floor in train stations and basements. it was something we would have never expected to have happen to us, just like millions of ukrainians across the country. after one of the residential buildings in downtown kyiv was

shelled by the russian forces, we decided to relocate to the suburbs, hoping that it would be safer for us there. but of course -- [ inaudible ] -- and shortly after we found ourselves four miles from the front lines. we heard aircrafts, war crafts flying right over our house at 4:00 in the morning. and there were shortage of food in the stores and complete uncertainty as to whether we would be able to remain alive the day after. so we decided to leave ukraine. >> olena, you are a civil society activist. you are a foreign policy analyst. you worked on transatlantic relations prior to this. what does your country need from its allies in the west right

now, or is it too late? >> well, unity and severity of the western response. they are still too weak and too slow to deter russian aggression. these sanctions will have been proportional for 2014 when russia made a part of ukraine in donbas when it annexed crimea, but in the middle of this full-pledged response, the response should be significant and faster. today the world is astonished by incredible courage of the ukrainian army and citizens who are stopping tanks and troops with their bare arms. but now it is important to not dwell on this admiration alone and be pragmatic about helping ukraine through on the level of states, on the level of ngos,

organizations and individual citizens. and i'd like a no fly zone over ukraine in order to prevent further losses which are already insurmountable. we need enhanced systems to ukraine including water and equipment. we need excluding russia from all international organizations and cutting off ties with russia. russia should have cutoff from s.w.i.f.t. these are the critical steps we're at now. we see that our enemy does not understand or speak the language of your policy. the only language it understands is the language of force. equip ukraine with modern weapons to strengthen it against russia. it is not too late, but we need

to act really fast in order to stop this tragedy in the middle of europe. >> we'll have to leave it at this. thank you so much for your time today. i cannot imagine what you have been through in the past few days. please do stay on and stay safe. >> thank you so much. still to come and before we go tonight, i'll ask ayman about whether or not the united states can show moral leadership as it condemns russia's alleged war crimes in ukraine. don't go away. ukraine. don't go away. he country. small businesses are fed up with big bills and 5g maps that are mostly gaps— they're switching to t-mobile for business and getting more 5g bars in more places. save over $1,000 when you switch to our ultimate business plan... ...for the lowest price ever. plus, choose from the latest 5g smartphones— like a free samsung galaxy s22. so switch to the network that helps your business do more for less—join the big switch to t-mobile for business today.

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thank you for watching. we'll be right back here next sunday at 8:00 p.m. eastern. catch me monday through thursday on the choice on nbc's streaming channel. join me at 10:00 p.m. eastern for more live coverage on the conflict in ukraine. now i will hand it over to my friend, ayman mohyeldin. we have answered horrific scenes out of ukraine these last couple days. we have reports of the russian military using cluster missiles near a school and hospital. these are weapons banned under the 2008 convention. the thing is russia never signed that convention and nor have we. wouldn't it be amazing if president biden announced tomorrow morning that the u.s. could sign on to it?

>> yeah, absolutely it would. and the u.s. has ironically taken the lead at the un security council in trying to call russia out for these alleged war crimes. here's the thing. the u.s. can't go ask the security council to refer to this situation to the criminal court because, you know why? the u.s. is not a signatory. any attempt to hold vladimir putin and his accomplices accountable will likely have to happen without u.s. support and involvement because it is an institution that we haven't supported. trump himself sanctioned the icc. as you know, we shoot ourselves in the foot sometimes. >> yeah. and just to be clear, this is not what aboutism. it is about wanting morality as it criticizes the russian government. >> as we strengthen the

international rule system, we will have more tools in our diz poe sal. good to see you, my friend. we'll check back with you in an hour's time. good evening to you at home. i'm ayman mohyeldin. it is 9:00 p.m. here in new york. 4:00 a.m. in kyiv. it is now day 12 of a russian invasion. we are following some breaking news after the last half hour or so. in a letter to her colleague, the house is exploring strong legislation to ban the import of russian oil. that could be a significant development. that follows the collapse of another cease fire agreement in mariupol. an attempt to evacuate citizens from that area was halted after ukrainians claim russian forces violated the agreement with a barrage of shelling. up north, in a village close to kyiv, residents there are desperately trying to escape while this is what they were met