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the senate intelligence committee ahead. and welcome to "meet the press daily." i'm kristen welker in for chuck todd. thousands of civilians are trying to flee. russian forces are on kyiv's door step leaving the u.s. allies contemplating their next moves, all amid europe's worst refugee crisis since world war ii. they bidn administration said it's in discussions on the energy market and at the same time are having talks with poland to send fighter jets to ukraine as putin warns western stations against involvement. a pentagon official tells msnbc

news, more than 1.7 million people have fled the war-torn country, with more than 400 civilians killed since the full-scale invasion began less than two weeks ago. there are reports of russian forces opening fire on some civilians and ukrainian officials have characterized a prosed russian cease-fire as a farce. the president this morning spoke with french president emmanuel macron, olaf schultz and they will discuss moscow and a potential ban on russian oil imports. >> officials meeting in an effort to de-escalate the situation. secretary of state antony blinken, who is meeting today with his counterparts from baltic nations appeared directly

to vladimir putin to end this war. >> we've seen scenes like this before in europe. every russian has lived or learned about the horrific siege of leningrad in world war ii. it affected many families, including vladimir putin, what's brother was a victim. the world is saying to russia stop these attacks immediately, let the food and medicine in. let the people out safely and end this war of choice against ukraine. >> chilling words from the secretary of state there. joining me is mike memoli at the white house, kelly cobiella is

with us and we do want to begin with mike at the white house because, mike, we know the president just had a call with his counterparts from france, germany and the u.k. what can you tell us about this call, mike? did anything come of it in. >> kristen, we know this call has wrapped up, lasted a little over an hour and 20 minutes. the options are a matter of discussion and debate among our allies. if you look back at the two weeks we've been covering the invasion of ukraine, one of the hall marks has been the way in which our western european allies have worked and moved with us in lock step. every step that the u.s. whats has been taking has reached the end of the road. we're looking at roughly only 10% of u.s. oil imports coming from russia compared to roughly

a third of european oil imports coming from russia. so clearly there's a wider gap in terms of the impact such a move could take. it does appear the u.s. is preparing to take this action without our european allies but there's every effort being made to bring them along at least in part to this step. the other thing that i think is interesting, kristen, as we look at the way in which this has now transpired is one of the strengths, one of the real hallmarks that have been taken overs last two weeks is they have been really based on the strength of u.s. intelligence. the u.s. largely has accurately predicted every step along the way and had sanctions, other steps, ready to deploy as russia's moves played out as expected. now we appear to be at an end road there. the strength. ukrainian response has gone past what most even in the administration had expected, maybe only this would last a few days and now we're coming up on two weeks.

that presents additional complications for the u.s. as they have to consider taking steps they my not have been thinking they have to take and that considering back filling poland as they consider air support for ukraine. >> you're right. we've talked to sources who say they are stunned and impressed by the strength they've seen in the ukrainian people. president zelenskyy over the weekend asked for more military aid. yesterday secretary blinken told chuck todd on "meet the press" that there are active discussions with poland to get fighter jets to ukraine. can you tell us about where those talks stand? >> every indication is this is in the hand of poland.

the decision has yet to be made by poland. it's interesting when you consider the fact that zelenskyy has now spoken not just to the president in the last few days but he held a secure video conference with the entire u.s. senate and members of the house as well. the pressure on the biden administration from his own colleagues but the democratic party is increasing to take further action now. we've heard that from speaker pelosi on the oil ban and we hear that in providing more military assistance as well. so this is another factor for the biden administration as they try to do everything in lock step with our european allies, there's increasing political pressure at home to take a stronger stand even beyond that. >> there does seem to be a chorus of voices speaking in congress. let me turn to richard engel, who is on the ground in kyiv. over the weekend there were these reports of a potential cease-fire to allow safe passage to civilians so that they could escape through humanitarian corridors but that quickly

deteriorated. what is the status right now on those efforts to try to get civilians out of ukraine? >> well, so far the attempts to broker a humanitarian corridor have broken down. they've broken down quickly. i don't think they've ever lasted more than a few hours, if not less than that. and you can see or you can hear the bombardments around kyiv. i don't know if you could hear that behind me, are getting louder. the explosions around the capital are getting more intense. we're not in a situation where civilians are able to leave urban centers because there's any kind of cease-fire. just the opposite. when there have been attempts to evacuate people as they have over the last two days, the corridors have been bombed by the russians we saw that today.

we were up in the northwest of this city. that is where the heaviest concentration of russian forces is. it's a suburb called erpine and it's just outside of irbil -- just outside of kyiv. it is really part of the city. it is a new area, very popular with young people, a lot of new construction there. and as people were trying to leave to come closer into the city center, they were being attacked. when we were there today, there was a body lying in the middle of the road, people were unable to collect it because it was too dangerous. so there has been nothing like a humanitarian corridor from kyiv or from any other city for that matter. the russians seem to be adopting different strategies for different cities. in mariupol, the population has been surrounded and they do appear to be trying to starve people out, starve them into

submission, get the city to collapse without having to enter the city center and fight. in harkive, they're bombing the city and doing forays in and out. they're trying to push through the funnel in the northwest of the city. >> we did hear that bombardment behind you and we have increasingly heard them getting louder in your live shots. of course we've been reporting on for days the strength of the ukrainian people, the defiance of the ukrainian people. as we are reporting now that nearly 100% of russian forces amassed on the border are inside kyiv and ukraine, do you get the sense the ukrainian people are losing their will to fight or are they just as determined as

when this began? >> reporter: i think they are more determined. many people are leaving. people who are leaving are generally women and children and that is leaving a lot of the men behind and those men have now made the decision. they've said good-bye to their wives, their children and grandparents and we're watching more of them save good-bye today. and those who are staying behind are determined to fight. and they're -- i do not sense at all they're losing their resilience. they have everything to lose if they lose this fight. it is not a war of choice, like it is for russia. it is considered a war for survival of ukraine and of the ukrainian people. so, no, as this war gets closer, if anything, they are more determined, particularly as the city thins out. >> richard, thank you for being there to bear witness to report this out. please continue to stay safe. kelly cobiella, over a million

refugees fleeing ukraine have gone to poland. can you update us on their status? does poland have the capacity to accept these refugees? a lot of people are volunteering but it's a lot of people. >> reporter: it is a lot of people, kristen. and actually the u.n. high commissioner for refugees said this is a logistical nightmare. it's true. it's what we've seen on the ground. you have all of these volunteer organizations trying to take care of these people, trying to get them a warm place to stay for the night and then a more permanent place to say. what they don't want to happen is for these women and children to become sort of stuck in shelters. they want them to be in homes or in some sort of more comfortable living environment. but, look, the problem that we saw over the weekend and this is what we heard from some of these bigger volunteer groups is that there's no central coordination. they feel like the government isn't really helping them to coordinate the response.

and, you know, every morning there's another massive wave of refugees coming across the border and all of these border crossings and there's a limited amount of space in those shelters along the border. they do need to be able to move people forward so that they can get the help they so desperately need. we understand that the polish government is trying to centralize and coordinate this response, now that these numbers have gotten so huge. some of the local politicians along the border have said, look, we don't want to be keeping women and children in those shelters more than one or two nights maximum because of the constant flow. kristen, again this morning we heard another record number, 42,000 people coming across the polish border by 7:00 in the morning. it is a huge logistical nightmare and it is also a huge financial nightmare. it costs a lot of money to take care of these people. not that it's not absolutely

necessary, but those funds have to come from somewhere and that's going to be another question that's asked quite a bit in the days to come, kristen. >> so many of those images are just heart breaking. kelly in poland, thank you and mike at the white house, thank you. clint watts, i want to turn to you. you're at the board in new york. help us to understand this russian offensive. it is picking up. walk us through the current state of the conflict and these humanitarian corridors that we keep focusing on and talking about. that's where the hope lies for the people who are trying to flee. >> what we're seeing is the russians are still advancing on several axes. they're not having the success they probably thought they were going to have. this is the convoy we talked about last week. it's been bogged down and is still bogged down. in kyiv the ukrainian military has been particularly good at

bogging down that convoy because russian armor is not supporting with ground troops around their armored convoys. you're seeing an advance coming in from sumy. this will have to force the ukrainian military to deal with another access of advance. in places like sumy and kharkiv and mariupol, they're using indirect missiles. and with the refugees, this is the refugees as they stream across out towards the east and south. but inside ukraine, part of the problem is these areas closer to the east, which are closer to russia, have since been overrun. now, russia doesn't control these and they have human population centers in their rear areas, which leads to essentially having dismounted sources or insurgents over time.

these are the proposed humanitarian corridors that russia has offered. you can see how ridiculous these are. they're saying people in mariupol, after we have bombed you for all of this time, we want you to potentially head to this region in russia. that means everybody left behind would be seen as a combatant. at different locations all of them are saying you can retrieve out of combat zones into belarus or russia. ridiculous. that's why none of the proposals are met with seriousness. yesterday we watched horrifies video in mariupol of a citizens trying to get out of town. it's a dangerous situation, they have nowhere to go.

people are trying to figure out how do we get aid to these people, they're in a much more perilous situation. russia tends to use refugees, russian ethnic refugee as a disinformation and propaganda tool inside russia. it's a very precarious situation in the east. >> let me follow up with you before we have to go. mariupol, let's go back to that region. you talked about just how precarious it is and how difficult it is to try to get civilians out. is that in part because russians have made gains in the south that's really complicating those efforts? >> yeah. so we talked the first week about russian struggles in the north. in the south it's a very different story. they've not been amazing but they've had successes by building this here. forces from the donbas region, putin had used it, this town has been completely surrounded. and the sea of azov is

completely surrounded by russia. and they've advanced into kherson and then and have the ability to go all the way to moldova. this is what is called essentially vladimir putin wants to link up all the russian people, go back to the late 1700s, there was a russian empire there temporarily. he wants to recreate that. that's part of the history there. this area particularly in southern ukraine is known for wheat production. wheat not going to be planted this spring, come fall we'll have major issues with food markets, particularly here in ukraine. >> this is such complicated stuff. thank you for breaking it down and helping us understand what's on the ground.

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welcome back. as russian attacks continue in ukraine, top u.s. lawmakers are pushing to ramp up in kind. some advocating for a total ban on oil at home. the secretary of state said some are considering at home in the u.s. less than 5% of the american oil comes from russia. i'm joined by virginia senator mark warner. thanks for joining me on this

busy monday. i appreciate it. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> i do want to start with that question, the discussions behind the scenes about a ban on russian oil. it is our understanding that there have been some hurdles to the u.s. getting europe on board, its european partners on board. is it your sense that the u.s. will have to go it alone? >> we may have to go it alone on this. i strongly support the ban on russian energy products, like oil. remember, we've asked our european friends and the biden has been very strong at bringing those european partners along. we got germany to get rid nordstream 2, they import about four million barrels a day from russia, we import a few hundred

thousand barrels of oil day. even if we have to take a lead on this and hopefully our europeans will come along, i think it's important to take this step. i also think it's important that we take the step supporting poland if the polish government is willing to move some jets over to ukraine as well in the coming days. >> i do want to ask you about the jets. let me follow up on the oil first. how quickly do you think we'll see action from the biden administration if they assess the u.s. has to go it alone? >> i think it could happen in the next 24, 48 hours. it got a lot of bipartisan support. i think the administration was moving methodically, it could have an effect on gasoline prices, we shouldn't kid ourselves but let's remember, kristen, the ukrainian people are literally voting with their

lives trying to say they want to align with the west, they want to endorse western values, sometimes i think things we in our country have taken for granted. if we're not willing to stand up and take some hurt along the way and sacrifice along the way, then i don't think we do credit to this incredible struggle. and i think the american people will rise to the occasion. this is as important a moment as anything in my lifetime and there's the most significant potential worldwide danger since the end of world war ii. we need to do more than say with the ukrainian people, we need to take action to show that. >> and i guess the question is to your point, here you have ukrainians risking their lives, they would argue for more than their country, for democracy, as you just said. has the white house -- has congress done enough to prepare americans for the pain that they will feel at the pump? in some places we're already seeing gas prices over $4 and it's anticipated it would get as high as $5, particularly if we

cut off russian oil. are americans prepared? >> i think that we all need to do a better job of explaining why ukraine is important. i'm old enough, i grew up in thele cold war and there was never a question that we wouldn't stand up to the soviet union and the threat of communism. younger people have been blessed since the fall of the berlin war in 1989 to have 30 some-odd years of none of this kind of ideological and democracy versus authoritarianism. that threat is back up and alive. it's playing out real time in ukraine. i do think we need to make the point that putin is a bully, he's an authoritarian autocrat, he will not stop with ukraine and we need to stand with ukrainians who are literally voting with their lives to embrace western liberal

democratic ideals. >> does president biden need to give a speech? it's something he talked about in the state of the union address but does he need to give a speech and lay out the price americans expect to bear in order to play a part in defeating putin? >> i think there is a need and whether the president and all of us in congress, if we believe this and i believe it to my core, that this is kind of an existential moment for the challenge between the values we espouse in liberal democracy, a free press, right to vote, right to differ of opinions versus someone who will shut down any opposition and has kind of an old style authoritarian system that is the opposite of everything we believe in. and i think if we make that kind of appeal, americans will be quicker to respond. so that we make that connection that this is not just a conflict that's happening halfway around the world but this does at the end of the day affect each and every american. >> senator, there's so much

focus on the possibility of a diplomatic off ramp and hopes of that have faded by the day, by the minute. is this a war in conflict that can end with putin still in power? >> putin still has enormous control in russia. you've seen thousands and thousands of protesters. >> how does it happen if he won't stop the shelling or allow for a cease-fire for civilians to get out of the country in. >> you have asked the million dollar question. putin has been so isolated, set such unattainable goals in terms of saying ukraine has to demilitarize, has to come and give up its territorial claims to crimea, a host of things that are not reasonable. my hope is some of the behind-the-scenes efforts of the israeli prime minister, i know the french president. i'd like to get a little better sense on how those conversations are going. but we have been concerned

literally for months that putin has boxed himself in such a corner. is there a diplomatic off ramp? at the end of the day we have to keep the pressure on because this is not a guy that's going to respond to goodwill gestures simply because of the moral values. >> i want to ask you about government funding. it obviously runs out in a matter of days and as a part of the package that is being negotiated, it would include $10 billion that would go to aid ukraine. are you confident that it will get passed by the deadline and that you'll get that aid to ukraine as quickly as possible? >> i am confident that the ukrainian aid will be in whatever package. i find it a little bit disheartening that we're talking about the value of democracy and yet the most basic tenent of our responsibility of congress is pass the budget and fund the

basic power of government, military, government and essential aid. i hope we would work it through this week. we in congress ought to take a look in the mirror and say, you know what, kicking the cannon all these issues, not doing individual appropriations bills and waiting for these giant omnibus and only washington speak would use that term is really not reflective of how our system ought to operate. >> senator warner, thank you so much for your time and perspective today. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up next, what more does the u.s. need to be doing right now as ukrainian zelenskyy pleads for more assistance. >> and first, a tough day on the stock market, down roughly 600

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welcome back. as we told you before the break, the administration, congress, all busy navigating their response to violence in ukraine that has been nonstop since russian forces invaded 12 days ago. joining me now is someone who faced russian aggression before. chuck hagel led the department

when russia start on the issue these humanitarian corridors, the devastating photos we all have seen now on the cover of "the new york times," a family, a mother, her husband and children killed on the road days of a the kremlin agreed to allow civilian evacuation routes. what does this tell you about the lengths that putin is willing to go for and what type of war he is fighting? >> well, i think it tells you all you need to know. if there was any question about mr. putin's brutality and deception, lies, i think what you just noted tells the story. and this won't end. this won't get better. this will get worse because he will be frustrated, as i suspect he's already frustrated that his

forces have not captured some of the areas that they intended to capture, particularly kyiv, within the first few days. so he will ratchet this up and it will get worse. >> to that point, mr. secretary, what do you think the u.s. should do? they have taken a no-fly zone off the table. do you think that was the right move? should they have left a no-fly zone on the table at the very least as a threat to putin? >> well, that's a debatable issue. there are risks in any action you take or there are risks in taking no action. there are consequences for both. i think the complications of a no-fly zone over ukraine would be immense. it would take hundreds of planes that would have to be coordinated with our nato allies, not just us. a lot of factors here that have

led the administration to take the position it has. i think it's a responsible position. although depending on how far this goes and where it goes and how it ends and no one knows. then we may have to revisit that. i think what the administration is doing now economic sanctions, things that you talked to senator warner about, banning oil, russian oil and gas exports, sanctions ratcheting up, talking to the pols exchanging their migs and giving them to ukraine and us back filling those planes for poland, all those are right and appropriate and things that we should do and are doing. but we're going to probably have to think about more. and i think what's really important here is to keep the western alliance together, especially if we move to ban russian oil and gas exports.

that would hit europe hard. it would hit europe much, much harder than us. i mean, we're all in this. i mean, we're already suffering and we're going to suffer more, the united states. but very minimally considering everybody else. but keeping the alliance, keeping nato together, the eu together, is really critical. >> many experts believe it's still a matter of time before putin prevails, even though we've seen this incredible strength and defines from the ukrainians. is there anything more short of escalating this crisis that other world powers can do to slow putin down, to slow the military down? >> well, the uncertainty of this is the real issue. all the questions that you put senator warner questions and other questions that you have, i have, the world has, when will it end, how will it end, so that means united states and our

allies have to try to stay ahead of that and try to anticipate things. i think there are always surprises in things like this. you just don't know. but what you've got to do is be prepared for the unknown and i think that means even having to go back and revisit a no-fly zone, i suspect that's not been taken off the table quietly in our military planning, i don't know that. but my guess is that they've never really taken that off the table. so keeping your alliance together. >> secretary, let me ask you one more question because we are running out of time. hindsight is 20/20, russia annexed crimea, russia responded with sanctions but should the administration have gone further with more punitive sanctions or actions to have stopped putin then? >> well, that situation is

completely different than what it is today. for example, the army of ukraine, their military forces were not sophisticated enough for us to be able to do what we're doing now in the western alliance with the ukrainian army. >> understood but could you have sent a stronger message to putin that the west wouldn't tolerate this type of invasion and incursion? >> well -- >> on any level? >> first, crimea. the russians were already in crimea. they had a 25-year lease there. crimea is made up of 98% russian nationalists. that's one thing. but what we tried to do was not allow this to escalate any more than it did. that led to minsk one and two. that was our concern at that time in 2014 because ukraine just wasn't able to defend itself quite frankly. and we couldn't have done, i don't believe, much more than we did because of that and other

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welcome back. key members of president biden's party are urging him to take moves.

nancy pelosi said her bill will ban the import of russian oil and energy to the united states among other sanctions. such a how much would likely send fuel costs even higher. it's one of many moving pieces in the conflict, which could have major ramifications for u.s. leaders in a mid-term election year. more on this with my panel after the break. you're watching "meet the press daily." watching "meet the pres daily.

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for more on the political fallout here at home to the war abroad, i'm joined on set by simone sanders and senior adviser to vice president harris, david from, senior editor at "the atlantic" and lynn sweet, chicago bureau chief. simone, let me start with you and get your reaction to where this debate stands right now, banning oil. there seems to be a banning chorus of voices on capitol hill saying let's do it. the administration seems poised to but it not going to have the same point without others joining in. >> russian oil accounts in america for less than 10% of the oil. not to say it won't have an impact on americans, but it's not as though we're talking about 40, 50, 60%. the decision on whether or not to do this is the president's. the president this morning was

meeting with quad leaders, allies. i think we've often talked about lessons learned from afghanistan and something that joe biden knows very well is diplomacy. and he knows whatever decision he decides to make, he needs to make sure he's had the conversations with our conversation with our allies and partners, and that's what he's doing. >> there will not be an impact on gas prices. has the president done a good job warning americans? >> i think it's important to understand that we talk about oil and gas. natural gas is a different thing from the oil that becomes gasoline. oil is an international commodity, and it can move anywhere there's a port and gas moves along pipelines among regional markets, and even though the united states doesn't use much russian oil, and it would have an impact on the

price russia perceives. people say there's always china, and when there's one customer you get a worst price than when there are a lot of customers. >> and what is your take? >> venezuelan oil, and venezuela is an ally of russia, but we are seeing a lot of shifting alliances right now. banning russian energy, you will see that vote, in the house a vote to do that. manchin and murkowski in the senate are leading 18 senators. maybe it's symbolic or not, but won't be symbolic is prices at the pump are rising, and i know what you both just said, but politics will be that this is somehow related to the ukraine. that's the problem for democrats right now. >> yes, gas prices will go up which is why if i were in the

white house i would be advising vice president harris and my colleagues, every time we go out there and talk about gas, we need to talk about what the president did in releasing from the reserve and rallying the word to do the same. if we decide not to use russian oil it won't have teeth unless our allies agree to do it. they have a huge dependance on russian oil. if the president decides to stop russian oil, and if he does decide that it's important to note that if the european partners don't come along they have different ramifications. >> people need to remember the united states is the largest producer of oil and it's a net exporter. oil comes in different types, and the united states is a huge force in oil world markets, and we have had low prices for a

while and investment takes a while to adjust to the new price era. >> and prices could go up to $5 a gallon. >> in that california it's close to $5 a gallon and it's close to that here in d.c. once you have a unity and purpose here in congress, the biden team will listen to that because you can't be caught saying biden is holding this up. there are a lot of domestic politics wrapped into this. >> there are. i think one of the things i will be watching for is something that senator warren just said to me is will european partners follow along if the u.s. takes the lead. let me shift to another topic i want to get to. mike pence broke yet again with former president trump.

he said trump praised putin as being savvy, and he said to ask yourself, where our our friends be today if they were not in nato, and there's no room in this party for apologists for putin. what do you make of the fact that pence is coming out very strongly against his former boss. >> there's people that dismissed or diminished what pence said. it's really important. it's a sign of the reverberating impact with trump. it's noteworthy today or tomorrow senator tom cotton will give a speech in which he says there's room for reagan and trump in the republican party, and pence just said it's reagan or trump, not both. >> is that right? do you think that pence coming out time and time again against his former boss gives him more juice if he decides to run? >> absolutely. he has to figure out a way in

this republican party he could fit, and finally there's a dramatic reason to understand why that perfect phone call with ukraine where trump was trying to hold up weapons for his search for some damaging goods on hunter biden, and now we know why that was so important, and pence could stress why this is so important. >> do you think he will remain focused on the task at hand. >> i think he will stay focused. did trump say something egregious that warrants not using his name.

this point about mike pence, i think the former vice president, good what he said. it's easy to do when you are on television day after day, and you see vladimir putin bombing children and civilians and hospitals and you see people fleeing and pouring out of ukraine, and it's easy to say but mike pence was not a bystander, he was the vice president of america, and where was his comments then? >> last point is to underscore what saw phoepb was saying. pence was trying to weaken nato. that's where pence was and now he's recognizing and you can draw the contrast which pence is at the table. >> he knows the world is different. >> we are out of time. thank you for that very spirited roundtable discussion. appreciate it. great to see all of you. thank you for being with us this hour. chuck will be back tomorrow for

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good to be with you. i am katy tur. the situation in ukraine is bad and it's getting even worse. more civilians are coming under fire as they try t