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that does it for us. joy reid is up next. good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" 12 days into putin's gasly war against ukraine. it's the fastest growing movement of people in europe since the second world war. the u.n. says 1.7 million people fled ukraine since the first shots were fired there. the u.n. human rights office confirmed more than 400 civilian
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deaths including 27 children since the beginning of putin's invasion but suggested the real numbers are higher. the white house said they are collecting evidence of war crimes in violation of humanitarian laws. a u.s. senior defense official said russia moved nearly 100% of the forces amassed around ukraine into the country. with russian troops trying to encircled southern city of mariupol in violation of the seize fires meant to allow people to evacuate, attempts to evacuate civilians were halted as the red cross says an estimated 200,000 are trying to flee the city. outside of kyiv, around 2,000 people evacuated safely today and residents have been without heat or hot water for days and under heavy fire as russian forces advance on the capital. over the weekend, russia
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continued the shelling. eight civilians were killed. a u.n. security counsel meeting to address the situation, u.s. ambassador linda thomas green field called on russia to honor proposals for safe passage. >> the humanitarian toll on president putin's war is mounting. children are dying. people are fleeing their homes. for what? it's clear mr. putin has a plan to destroy and terrorize ukraine. >> earlier today, russia put forward a proposal to allow people from kyiv, kharkiv, mariupol to evacuate but only into belarus and russia claimed the move came at the request of emanuel macron that called russia's plan hypocrisy. meanwhile, today ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy
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pressed for more sanctions against russia including boycotting russian oil. >> translator: what is needed is a boycott of russian experts, the rejection of oil and oil prices from russia. it can be called an embargo or refusal. when you refuse to give money to terrorists. if they don't want to comply with civilized rules they shouldn't receive goods either, let the war feed them. >> president biden and the leaders of france, germany and united kingdom held a call to continue raising the cost on russia and tonight a still defiant president zelenskyy released yet another video showing he's not left ukraine's capital city and praising the fierce ukrainian resistance. joining me now, nbc news correspondent cal perry in lviv and matt bradley live in ukraine. let's go in reverse order, matt. what is the status in rivna and people trying to get out or get
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through there to get out? >> reporter: you know, we're not seeing a lot of refugees or internally displaced people. we're seeing a city guarding for war. if bella russia comes involved, they could bring their troops right here right over this area and that's the real threat. this place hasn't seen a whole lot of bombardment but there is a lot of worries here. i spoke with the mayor and he retreated that call for a no fly zone and a lot of people here, even ordinary people i'm talking to on the street, this isn't some theory strategic concept, regular people are demanding when they find out that i'm an american, depending that there be a no fly zone. there is a reason why that's so difficult to impose, you know, because it would just have a host of repercussions. it would be a massive escalation and nato made it clear that doing that would really mean putting u.s. military service
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people right in the front lines in direct conflict with moscow and that would mean a major escalation and it could mean something like a european wide war. so this is the issue that a lot of people here keep pressing. it is the one wish of every ukrainian person and politician that i speak to. it's for that no fly zone, joy? >> really quickly to stay with you for a second. is that something the people you talk to really relate to the united states doing this or is this something they think that the e.u., that nato, is this something they're specifically saying to you as an american, is this something they're asking of us as a country or europe in the west? >> reporter: yeah, i think just as an american, most of the crew i'm with here are british. it's everybody in the west, really. i think that, you know, they know very well that when it comes to enforcing a no fly zone, the u.s. has the assets. the u.s. has the planes. and the u.s. has the military might to do something like that. and that is something that they
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are acutely aware of and something they keep repeating and they're grateful. i should say, they're very grateful for what they've seen so far coming from the west but they really feel as though a lot of the assistance is a day late and a dollar short and they think the no fly zone is a way the west can get in front of things. one of the things i heard from the mayor of the city. he said ukrainian people are fighting and dying for europe. they shouldn't be fighting and dying so that europeans can enjoy their lives. this is a sacrifice that the ukrainian people are making on behalf of europe and on behalf of the entire world. joy? >> yeah, they're not wrong. cal perry, where you are in lviv and we just sort of seen over the last 12 days that lviv is where people are coming to to get out. what are you seeing there? what is the level of crisis you're witnessing? >> reporter: well, we're seeing increase of awareness i think of the violence in the east, far from where matt and i are these
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cities a dozen or so that are under a state of siege where the russians have surrounded these cities and cut off the power and water and for days and days now, you have people that don't want to come out or go above ground. then in the south along the black sea, you have these strategic cities, you have mariupol where they are desperately trying to get people out and one corridor succeeded. a few thousand people were able to rush out today momentarily. those cities are being shelled by the russians. what you have arriving here are people from these places. the reason they're not arriving where matt is because of central train stations and the rail line runs straight from kyiv the capital to where i am. you have at least now we heard from the mayor 200,000 people have been settled. that doesn't include the people who are sleeping on the street and sleeping outside the train station, folks still waiting at the polish border or folks that turned around and given up. it doesn't include people that
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have been dropped off at the border and headed back to fight. the other interesting thing that's happened when you talk about the negotiations is they've really broken down not just over the humanitarian corridor but the air space here and who is going to control the air space here. there are at least two russian jets according to the ukrainian army shot down over kyiv tonight alone. this question of air power is the key one going forward because it's the only thing preventing right now these russian jets from just nonstop indiscriminately bombing the capital. it the fact that the surface to air system that the ukrainians still use is still functioning and it is that ukrainian jets are still in the air. so you talk about nato, that has to be part of the discussion, joy. >> yeah, indeed. tragic situation and thank you-all for your great coverage. really appreciate you, cal perry, matt, thank you. >> with me now is a former ukrainian tennis player. i know you are back in your home country willing to fight for the
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freedom of ukraine. tell us what you're seeing, what you're experiencing right now. >> well, it's pretty desperate situation i would say. russia is bombing kharkiv, trying to bomb kyiv but not at the same scale. they attacking the military bases but the fact is they're destroying civilian compounds. they're not able to enter the city of kyiv. that's where i am. it's underground there is not a single soldier, they are stuck in the suburbs. they are attacking civilians, the ones that are trying to leave, they're attacking volunteers trying to bring water and food into the suburbs. it's a barbaric actions. >> it sounds like and what the
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analysis is russia military is not winning this war to be blunt. they under estimated the va lose -- eracity of the resistance so they're attempting to demoralize at this point ukrain civilians and people trying to flee and flatten the country if they can't get ukraine to surrender. is that the sense you have? this is not a precision military exercise, it's just an attempt to level as much of ukraine as they can and demoralize the people? >> well, that's their plan because on the ground they don't have the morality to advance. i mean, the ukrainians are putting up a fight they didn't expect. they expected they would be welcomed with butter and salt like crimea. ukraine is a different country. for the past eight years, which we are in a war with russia, the people understand that russia
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brings only misery and destruction, disaster, destroying, i don't know how to call it. nobody wants to be part of the russian world as they see it. so everybody is whether it's a sheppard with a farm with ships or chicken, it doesn't matter. everybody is grouping up and making road blocks. i was traveling to ukraine across the border in slovakia coming back into ukraine and i traveled through ukraine and, you know, the level of moral inside ukraine is extremely high. people are gathering together, making check points, blocking the roads towards little cities and villages and taking hunting weapons and patrolling the streets. everybody is trying to resist and i do believe that on the ground ukraine is going to succeed but the shelling is a big problem because if we cannot
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protect our cities, the number of civilians deaths will be extreme and russians are willing to go the distance. >> we're hearing stories of food shortages, that supplies are becoming short. how long do you think that ukraine can hold out this way? >> i cannot say for all of the country, i'm in kyiv. i can tell you the situation in kyiv, it's getting slim and slimmer although supplies are coming in and the chain of supplies are still working but we are not being, again, we're notarded as hard as kharkiv. everything is going to change. things can change fast inside kyiv, as well. >> i have to ask this question. you're quite a good tennis player. you had a pretty great life and you've put that aside to go home to go back to your home country to fight.
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what was that about for you? why did you do that? >> well, i would never imagine that russia would attack us full scale across the border. i was saturday just four day short of the air attack i was in kyiv, my kids had school breaks or i take them for vacation in dubai. the thing is that there is no right reason for me to be here and no right reason to be home. there is no win, win. if i stay home i feel guilty because my brother and father are medics in kyiv and stay behind and i have three kids in budapest. it's a tough decision i had to make. i'm no different from any other father sending his family away and staying to fight and defend. i didn't want to be privileged that had the chance to stay out because at the end of the day i don't have a country to return
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to because that's the ultimate goal of putin is he said it multiple times at his press conference, that ukraine never existed it was creating in the beginning of a soviet era that they will erase ukraine out of the books. i would love to have a country for my kids to come back to. >> we're seeing a great deal from the people in ukraine including yourself. thank you for spending some time with us tonight. stay safe. thank you sergei. thank you, sir. still ahead on "the reidout" russian police arrest thousands of anti war protesters as putin's car turns their country into an international pariah. how russian disinformation mills are working over time spreading lies about the conflict across russia and across the world. and as we go to break, have a listen to a woman playing louis armstrong's "what a wonderful world" outside a train station
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in lviv as ukrainians flee the russian advance. "the reidout "continues after this. "the reidout "continues after this
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[speaking foreign language]. sometimes nothing brings people together like a nice hot pizza from pizza hut. >> that was former soviet leader starring in an international tv commercial for pizza hut in 1998, seven years after the fall of the ussr.
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at the time, the ad symbolized russia's embrace of capitalism and had finally joined the global economy. fast forward to today and russia is quickly backsliding thanks to vladimir putin. his invasion of ukraine prompted a mass exit of businesses from russia incluing visa, master card and american express seizing card holder transactions in that country as well as netflix, which suspended services. they've joined a growing list of companies that have effectively pulled out isolating russia from the world economy and putin is turning back the clock on the information age with crackdowns on journalism and social media and blacked access to facebook and the bbc among others and signed a law banning so-called fake news including a ban on calling the invasion of ukraine what it is an invasion or war which is punishable by 15 years in prison and arresting more
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than 4500 protesters in a single day yesterday according to a human rights group. joining me is michael mcfaul and professor of international appears at the new school. this is sort of fascinating in that you are now seeing russia sort of go back, i mean, if putin really had in his mind to bring back the old ussr, he's doing it in terms of the economy. it becoming a closed economy. he's even launching his own version of the internet trying to make basically like an intra net but just inside russia to control people's access to information. at some point, logic says this will start to affect the russian people that cannot possibly blame the west forever for that kind of isolation or can they? >> well, it is already affecting the russian people because it's not even economy yet that has been hitting them, it's more social and cultural ties, relations with their partners,
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research partners in the west or everywhere for that matter. it's their ability, possibility to fly to many countries and now they just have few options open so it is already affecting them and he's not -- i mean, it's not even bringing back the soviet union because even in the soviet union, certainly the second half of it they remain more connections available that they are available now so it's almost where there is all this iron curtain falling down, it's almost bringing russia to the stone age and black hole of non-existent global pariah. it possible when the whole world is against you and basically against everybody else and everybody shutting their door or their tweet or their everything, at least initially probably it may result in rallying around the flag and people feeling that
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they have no other place to turn to than to stand up for russia because everybody is against us. >> it is possible but there is also ambassador mcfaul things are breaking through. i heard about this meme given the law you can't do quote unquote fake news including calling the war in ukraine a war. the joke has come up among young moscow residents that it's security operation in peace instead of war in peace. they're making fun of it. there seems to be some of it seeping through. what do you make of this sort of turning of sort of russia into cuba or into north korea at this point? that is what vladimir putin accomplished so far. >> well, he's trying to. like nina said, he's trying to and he's going farther than even during cold war days. i mean, if western media outlets are forced to leave because of
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this new law about using the word war, you get 15 years in jail and they have to leave, they were all there during the cold war. that's something radically new and there is fear in russia today that he'll try to cut off the internet like you said. at the same time, you know, you're showing these photos. there are lots of people protesting and if they're protesting, they're brave enough to deal with those characters. look at those characters you're showing now. if they're brave enough to do that, tens of thousands and maybe more share their views. they just don't want to be arrested. and the second thing to remember is that all russians don't think alike. all russians don't receive their information alike and over simply in the interest of media that more educated you are, the more urban you are, the richer you are, the less likely you are to read putin's propaganda and the more rural place you live,
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theless educated you are, the less wealthy you are and the older you are, the more likely you are to read putin's propaganda. it a much more divided society than a lot of people think that doesn't mean there is going to be massive protests. it's scary to think about 15 years in jail. but it doesn't also mean just because you don't see hundreds of thousands of people, it doesn't mean that those passive people support putin. they don't. we're really bad at measuring preferences into societies. we've been bad for decades. we'll be bad here. i think we should be very cautious in looking at the numbers of protesters and say that must mean the rest of russia supports putin, they don't. >> we don't have a window into it. there is an extraordinary piece of video. we got a clip. this shows men, appeared to be captured russian soldiers making a plea saying they did not understand why they were there
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and they want the people back home to know. let me play a little of that. >> [speaking foreign language] ] . >> nina first and then ambassador mcfaul. nbc has not confirmed the identity but that seems to me that if someone like him is released and goes home, that seems like some really powerful information fresh from the front lines that actually might be able to impact people. what do you make of that? >> as michael said, it's a very diverse society and the fact there are not people in the streets doesn't mean -- because i'm sharing and my family is there and so it's all people do
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know why they are in ukraine. they do know putin somehow decides he wants the state according to traditional 1920th century philosophy so yes, they do understand that. but you wouldn't -- you don't even need to have a soldier or officer coming from ukraine because people do understand the stakes here because we are now clearly cut out of the whole world precisely because we're there and that is good because we're winning hearts and minds no question about it. of course, i'm sure the troops, not many people who are fighting, not sharing the premise, they don't understand why they are invaing the country for sure the point is that because the impression now is so giant and so overwhelming that the question is how much and for how long it will
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continue to boil out or people will just be suppressed, suppressed and stopped until further notice. >> ambassador mcfaul, russia is not winning this war. they are losing. you dealt with this man vladimir putin. what happens when he realizes he's losing? >> he's losing so far and the fact he has to shut down an independent television station, he shuts down this iconic radio station open in 1990 that he's threatening to shut down the entire internet, that's the evidence that he knows he's losing. you wouldn't be doing that if you're winning. to echo something nina said. the argument for why they're there, people don't understand, it took him 58 minutes to explain it. if you need 58 minutes to make your argument, you're confused about your argument. but what i worry about instead of thinking get out, he's doubling down. and that means we're going to
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see more casualties, we'll see more killing. i fear the worst is yet to come. >> yeah, unfortunately you're probably right. former ambassador michael mcfaul thank you. is the risk of escalating this conflict with a no fly zone worth the reward? i'll be right back. a no fly zoe worth the reward i'll be right back i've always focused on my career. but when we found out our son had autism, his future became my focus. lavender baths always calmed him. so we turned bath time into a business. ♪ and building it with my son has been my dream job. ♪ at northwestern mutual, our version of financial planning helps you live your dreams today. find a northwestern mutual advisor at nm.com
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the west rejected ukrainian president zelenskyy's pleas to establish a no fly zone due to fears it could lead to world war iii and a deal that would provide fighter jets to ukraine is unlikely to happen. the u.s. and poland were in talks of providing the jets but there is little momentum for the deal tonight. meanwhile, a white house spokesperson said the u.s. is collecting evidence of possible russian war crimes and countries are considering sanctions on an already cratering russian economy. the u.s. is in active talks with europe to ban russian oil imports, however, the world's biggest buyer of russian crude oil germany rejected that plan and putin for his part claimed sanctions are a kin to a decoloration, to war.
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joining me is the former director for european affairs at the national security counsel and senior advisor after vote vets and the author of "here right matters" and intelligence analyst and author of the upcoming book "they want to kill americans." thank you for being here. lieutenant colonel vindman, you said you believe that short of doing a no fly zone, if that's not tenable, there are ways that we could make a -- something like it possible. this is what you wrote, establishing a no fly zone may be too provocative but if they don't strange that intervention, they ought to supply ukraine with the tools that would allow ukraine to strike russian warehouses or staging areas holding aircraft ballistic air missiles. if the west and poland are saying we're not even going to supply you the fighter jets, how would the west then help? >> well, there is an idea for
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this lend lease program, it's the humanitarian aide ukraine needs, the medicine, build warehouses, non-permanent warehouses and everything the ukrainians need to sustain themselves through the war. a big part of that is the weapons and we should follow the turks' lead providing these drones that have been pretty effective so if we're not prepared to do a no fly zone and i understand there concerns, we may find ourselves there because we are far from done. putin is not done. this is going to turn into a much, much bigger catastrophe and we might end up there. we have to make difficult choices down the road and that's providing drones, providing for medium range surface to air missile systems that keep us out
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of having to put nato forces in the area. those are not beyond the pail. there are precedence for this support. right now we're being detoured but blackmail and frankly, by a miscalculations that it ends here, that doesn't get worse and that the pressure from the international community from our own constituents won't force the hand of our political leadership in a way that's going to be much more dangerous as time moves on. >> yeah, i mean, it is a calculations malcolm that if si that will drain the coughcoffer fight, the way russia is sort of troops are made up. you have people on one-year contracts and people makingless than $25 a month, poorly trained, severe hazing and abuse and the contract soldiers that are 70% of the military, three-year contracts make a lot
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more money. there is a mix of it. reports they're trying to bring in syrian fighters to try to get in that have more experience with urban combat. it doesn't seem like even though they are losing, they're backing down. listen to president zelenskyy he did an interview with abc news david muir. this is his plea to americans. >> i just want you to feel and to understand what does it mean for us freedom because always american people, they speak about freedom and they know what is it, and now when you're looking at ukrainians, i think you feel what does it mean for us. >> malcolm, are we just doomed to sit here and watch these brave people die and not be able to do anything for the legitimate fear of starting world war iii? >> not at all. the legitimate fear of starting world war iii you're pushing
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beyond the extreme. look, there isn't going to be a no fly zone. i took part in southern and northern iraq but we struck every piece of iraqi air defense systems that activated or even looked in our direction and prepared to shoot down every aircraft there. that is not what the russian -- what the ukrainians really need from us. i had a meeting with -- or i met the commander of ukrainian armed forces general and he said we have the manpower. we have 250,000 men and women. we can bring hundreds of thousands more. we need the weapons. and what the united states needs to do is stop having a failure of imagination. colonel vindman is right, if we can drive destroyers over to england in the night of the atlantic war with german
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submarines, we can fly in drones, any one of their small bases there, land them there and give them a drone control pod and reapers with hell fire missiles and let them operate it. i would say 20 would be enough with all the hll fire missiles they can carry. it time to start using this as a -- if we want to try to help the ukrainians as best, start experimenting a little. the russians did it and turkey did it with drones. maybe it time for drones to dominate the air including -- i'll reserve what i was just thinking there because it was very isis-like. for the most part, the united states needs to help these people and that's all they're asking for is a logistics pipeline that will not stop. i'm one of the few analysts that
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believes that ukraine can actually win this war by defeating all of the strategic objectives of the russians. they've already done it by stopping them at essentially not even their first major phase. so why not help them? >> it does seem just sort of, not as an expert at all russia is losing at this stage, lieutenant colonel vindman and all of the ukrainians need, they obviously have the will to fight and heart for it. they just need a little bit of help. why do you suppose the focus remained on a no fly zone at least from the president of ukraine? >> first, let me say i love malcolm's optimism. i wish i shared it. i think there is a real very good chance the ukrainians could block the russians from achieving their strategic objectives, at least the initial strategic objectives but the punishing grinding war that's about to unfold could develop in
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ways that's hard for us to conceive. we should recognize that, you know, our only history we've been dragged into human catastrophe and human suffering and we'll go, we're knot going to be able to sit on the sideline and the choices we make down the road will be more stark, a lot more risky than now. the bar for war with russia is very, very high. the russians do not want a nuclear war. they do not want a conventional war as badly as they're handling this business with ukraine right now. they're getting involved. so we should not be risk reward on the basic things we need to provide and that's really what's affecting us is we're in our own heads, we're over thinking this, these aircraft could -- the biggest hurdle is across the border. we should push them across and the ukrainians can operate them and do what they need to. >> and also, perhaps the president of ukraine could do fewer zoom calls with republican senators who can't seem to keep their mouths shut and little fingers off their twitter buttons.
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be losing the online battle. twitter banned more than 100 accounts spreading disinformation all using the #istandwithputin. it's an indication russia's falsehood is neutralized and drowned out in recent weeks as media and platforms sprung into action. joining me is ben collins who co-wrote the story and ben, i mean, the stuff that you wrote about and that is sort of out there is as looney as trying to draw anthony fauci in a weird bio lab conspiracy theory. please explain. it's pulling in the weird truckers. what is the world is going on? >> the backup plan to the denazi case idea is they were funding some second coronavirus. that was their game plan for a backup pretext to this war. and you can actually see this as well on the far right spaces,
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places like patriots.win. like january 6 th was planned online. the same day the invasion happened, you can see this upswing in posts about the anthony fauci bio labs happening in ukraine. this is all made up. this is not real. it the big thing that took over the far right internet and you have to give them credit. some of the people in the trucker convoy said no, we see this brutality and how bad this thing. i would say it's 50/50 stepped away from the talking point while some people still, you know, because of how engrained the hatred of anthony fauci is in the far right spaces, some people leaned into this. you're seeing a 50/50 split in the far right telegram groups between people proputin because of the fauci stuff and still, you know, people who see reality. people who are anti putin because of the brutality they see with their own eyes. >> we have a chart here.
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i'll put it up. this is showing the increase in users on the 15 platforms that are monitored using disinformation discussing the violence. i saw the i stand with putin hashtag and i stand with russia hashtag and thought this is bot action. you've the same guy who ran those troll fans back then. same group. a we're creating fake human beings using ai generated protocols. this person does not exist accompli. we're doing this decree profiles on facebook to lend legitimacy to these russian propaganda sites called ukraine today, which is bananas. this whole thing is a very elaborate thing that was going on for a year before this war. that's how long the setup was going on.
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it we're doing it to prop up these much larger narratives. for the pretext of this invasion. it didn't work. when you see the actual stuff coming out of ukraine. people who had their homes shelled. i personally's faces misstep because they were created by a computer if you weeks ago. i think most people can see with the reality is here. the reality is the pictures you are seeing right now on your screen. [inaudible] in the face of this object brutality. >> we've heard stories about people in ukraine not being able to convince memberships that they themselves are being bombed because of this information. it sounds to me like younger people, younger russians, people have more access -- is that the reason this isn't working? because they don't get access? why do you think this propaganda machine is so
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thorough? >> i think that's part of it. i think a big part of this is people are bringing up north korea's a parallel. services more just shut off their overnight there no. that's a difference. people are going to's netflix and talking about it on tiktok. now you can't go to a gym in. you can't watch netflix. you can't post anything on tiktok from russia, because it might fall under the fake news. everything has to be approved. if you're a young person in russia right now, your life is dramatically different than it was two weeks ago. if that doesn't set off some alarm bell in your head that you're not being told the truth by your government, and -- i don't know what's wrong, necessarily, but you'd have to reconsider stuff. your whole reality has been flipped over entirely. >> yeah, absolutely. you went to sleep in moscow and we'll get north korea. it's wild. and collins. thank you we appreciate you. to address -- it's important to remember it's
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devastation unfold in ukraine, nearly 4000 miles away another crisis is deepening. we don't hear much about in the u.s.. that is the war in yemen. in march of 2015, a saudi led coalition backed by the united
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states intervening militarily in yemen in a bid to fight iran back to t rebels. it triggered one of the worst humanitarian crisis in the world. due to widespread hunger, disease and attacks on civilians. 4 million you have many's have been forced to flee their homes. we're seeing ukraine is absolutely the worst humanitarian crisis that europe has seen in decades, but we haven't witnessed the same type of solidarity for the enmities as we do for the ukrainians. we don't see global campaigns, corporations like airbnb and netflix taking a stand. it's not say we shouldn't care this much for ukraine. far from it. the point is, we should almost carrot -- also care as much for asia, africa and middle east too. the coverage shows radical disparity and how human ukrainians look and feel to western media compared to the brown juror and black or counterparts. with some reporters using very telling comparisons in their analyses of the war.
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>> it's emotional for me, because they see european people with blue eyes and blond hair being killed. children being killed every day with putin's missiles. >> the unthinkable has happened to them. this is not a developing thrilled war nation. this is europe. >> this isn't a place, with all due respect, like iraq or afghanistan that has seen conflict raging for decades. this is a relatively civilized, relatively european, i have to chills those words carefully as well, in a city wouldn't expect or hope it's going to happen. >> civilized. okay, let's face it, the world is paying attention, because this is happening in europe. that this were happening anywhere else would we see the same outpouring of support and compassion? we don't need to ask ourselves if the international response will be the same if russia unleashed there who are on a country that was not -- russia has already done it in syria. this is a teachable moment for
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us in the media. we're not afraid to call out our industry. there is a lot of soul searching that we need to do in western media about why some wars and the lives seem to better -- why some refugees get a welcome mat while others get the wall. that is tonight's read out. all in with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on all in. civilians under attack in ukraine. >> they're shooting at schools, hospitals, they're shooting everywhere, all the time since the last three days. >> a desperate attempt to flee the repetition bombardment and a growing refugee crisis in ukraine. >> they're having moral problems. they're having supply problems. they are having fuel problems. they're having food problems. exactly where the russian army's right now as they move to encircle kyiv. plus, thousands of

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