if it's tuesday, president biden announces a ban on russian oil imports as the administration tells how far it will go to punish putin and how far putin might go in its response with russian forces still stalled outside kyiv.

plus, the country's top national security officials testify before the house intelligence committee amid growing questions about the strength of russia's military, cyber and its nuclear capabilities. we'll break it down with a member of the intel committee ahead. and zelenskyy pleads for more help from the west in an emotional address to british lawmakers. 2 million ukrainians have been displaced by war, the damage to the country $10 billion. we'll have a member of ukraine's parliament live coming up. good day. welcome to "meet the press." i'm chuck todd. president biden is ramping up his response to russia in some ways responding to both zelenskyy and congress. president zelenskyy is urging the west to do more. putin's army is clearly struggling and the russian economy faces collapse. u.s. intelligence officials are

warning we could be entering a crucial and uglier phase of the conflict. president announced a u.s. ban on russian oil imports as the u.s. weighs further action against russia. >> this is a moment that has strong bipartisan support from congress and i believe from the country. americans have rallied to support the ukrainian people and made it clear we will not be part of subsidizing putin's war. we're working closely with europe and our partners to develop a long-term strategy to reduce their dependence on russian energy as well. our teams are actively discussing how to make this happen, and today we remain united in our purpose to keep pressure mounting on putin and his war machine. >> 48 hours ago on "meet the press," secretary of state antony blinken said they'd be working in concert with the european allies.

48 hours, an aggressive congress bipartisan-wise, this announcement comes and comeses a gas prices in the united states have hit new records, topping $4.17 a gallon on average according to aaa. and minutes after the uk said it's phasing out russian oil as well. some policymakers are warming to a no-fly zone over ukraine as a humanitarian corridor. president zelenskyy urges response from the u.s. he reiterated his pleas for harsher sanctions, a no-fly zone, in this emotional address to the british parliament. >>er. >> translator: please increase the pressure of sanctions against this country, and please recognize this country as a terrorist state, and please make sure that our ukraiian skies are safe.

please make sure that you do the work that needs to be done and what is stipulated by the greatness of your country. >> zelenskyy has remained defiant in his decision not to leave kyiv amid an exodus that the u.n. says totals more than 2 million ukrainians who have fled the country, and they've done so in less than two weeks. it's about 1 out of every 20 civilians in that country. meanwhile, russia's advance towards kyiv still appears to be stalled with nearly all russian troops that had been amassed at the border now inside ukraine. u.s. intelligence agencies say between 2,000 and 4,000 russian soldiers have already been killed since the full-scale invasion, by way, between 2,000 and 4,000. amid those losses facing russia, u.s. officials warn they're in a worldwide assessment if vut season still determined to control ukraine and is perhaps willing to pay any price to do it.

>> where that leads is he doubles down and the fighting could get even uglier. the one thing i'm convinced of and i think our analysts across the intelligence committee are convinced of is the ukrainians are going to continue to resist fiercely and effectively. >> with me now is nbc chief white house correspondent peter alexander at the white house, richard engel in kyiv for us, and i'll be joined in a few moments by daniel freeh, the u.s. ambassador to poland served in the state department, also a top expert on european affairs. also with us andrea kendall taylor, who served as a top official in multiple administrations and is a fellow at the center for new american security. peter, as i noted in our intro, 48 hours ago, the secretary of

state said to me and others, hey, we're looking at this, but we're going to try to do it in coordination with our european allies. well, when you have, i don't know, 500 out of 535 members of congress ready to sign on, it looked like the president wanted to get ahead of this. he wanted to announce it, not have to sign a bill that did this. what's going to come next? >> reporter: it's a good question. i mean, first let's get to how we got to this moment as you detailed there. we've been hearing from lawmakers in the last couple weeks, the pressure has been building on this white house for president biden to do this, to ban russian oil and gas. and then we have now learned that members of the president's economic team, his economic advisers, were able to get some democrats over the weekend so to kind of slow walk the pressure publicly they were putting on the white house to give the white house more time, the president more time to make the announcement that he made this morning. it's why yesterday we heard from some republicans in key committees on the house side,

the ways and means, the senate side, the finance committee, republicans have spoken out, the democrats holding their fire a bit. ultimately, the president was able to deliver his statement today. chuck, as you talk about it, particularly for the u.s., they have a different situation than europe does as it relates to these imports. only 8% of imports in the united states, not only, but 8% of the imports of gas and oil in the u.s. come from russia. for those in europe, the number is closer to a third. that's why we heard from boris johnson today, he didn't announce an immediate ban but sort of the phasing out of oil over the course of this year. that's why chancellor scholz in germany said they recognize the need to change their dependence on russian oil but it wouldn't happen overnight. the president didn't take our questions. we wanted to pose those to him, if the u.s. has a moral obligation to go further. you talked about the potential of a limited no-fly zone. i'm hearing from officials in and around this white house that

the possibility that poland would deliver some of its soviet-era jets to ukraine seems like a long shot at this point. it's easier to get hand-held weapons than it is to hand over a plane. the u.s. is putting that in the hands of poland at this point, and poland has expressed reluctance do that. >> peter, one other question. there's been outrage to saudi arabia, venezuela, and iran, right, in various forms, collectively looking like the united states is looking for oil, the biden administration is looking for oil from some uncomfortable places. and it's only going the lead to more criticism from republicans saying, hey, unleash domestic exploration. is the white house going to go forward with this venezuela deal in particular? >> reporter: a couple of the president's advisers were in venezuela recently. others were in saudi arabia, recently having these conversations. you remember during the campaign in november of 2019 the

president said of saudi arabia that he was going to make them a pariah, that there was effectively nothing redeemable about the government in saudi arabia right now. now he's put in the position where he is looking for other outlets, a lot of them unsavory ones to try to find oil and gas. as it relates specifically to what the u.s. is doing right now, the president tried to turn the tables on republicans and on his critics saying there are about 9,000 permits out there for the oil companies to drill on lands right now that are unused. it's one way to try to push back in this argument. >> well, when you have on the pariah scale putin is suddenly so far out there, everybody else looks a little less pariah-y perhaps these days. peter alexander at the white house for us, thank you. richard is in kyiv. richard, it looked like there had been some growing momentum to get these planes, to get these russian-made planes into the hands of ukrainian pilots. you heard peter's reporting that suddenly that seems logistically

like a long shot. what kind of impact does that have? it seems like the ukrainian government was counting on the momentum of making that happen. what do you hear? what do you know? >> reporter: well, i still think they are hopeful that it could happen. there is still a lot of border that is open. ukraine shares a large board we are many nato allies, and that boarder is not a conflict area. you see all the refugees streaming across that border, so there are still logistics avenues available. of course, it's more complicated to move an air craft or many air craft than boxes of shoulder-fired missiles, but it is also difficult to defend your country against a russian attack. what you're seeing here is that officials believe that the worst has yet to come. the ukrainian forces have been

able to keep the russian military assault on the ground at bay. so far they still control much of the air space here. but they are worried, just like u.s. intelligence officials are, that vladimir putin is growing frustrated, that this military campaign so far has been a shambles, that russia has not been able to take really any major city. it took kherson, but it hasn't been able to control it. it still hasn't taken kharkiv, still hasn't been able to push into the city of kyiv and has been tied up in a relatively small suburb on the northern edge of the city. but the rock edmontons and the missiles still work. so if vladimir putin decides his next objective is to try and punish ukrainian cities and punish this city and try and drive the government into submission, the ukrainians want more weapons, particularly more defensive weapons to counteract that maneuver.

>> richard engel on the ground for us in kyiv. really appreciate you. let me bring in my two guests together, if you will, sort of obviously the same larger topic, but specific focused reach. former ambassador to poland, daniel freeh and also with us as i said andrea kendall taylor. ambassador, let me start with you. you signed on to the letter about limited no-fly zone. explain the difference between a limited no-fly zone, that's for humanitarian efforts -- how do you prevent that from cascading into the fears of world war iii that folks have if you decided to have a full no-fly zone over the entire country? >> i understand the white house's concerns. there is a danger of confrontation between the u.s. and russia in or over ukraine. so, the white house is not dumb

in resisting this. the point of the proposal was to get the white house to think about the contingencies that may lie ahead. suppose there's a humanitarian catastrophe involving hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. putin may consider all continge contingencies. what looks risky now may look less risky under those circumstances. so it was -- this idea was tossed into the mix to get that to encourage the white house to think about the real-world contingencies they may face soon. the white house has a point. this is serious business. there is no risk-free option. and we were thinking -- we were thinking of the humanitarian costs and what we might face in the future.

>> well, look, even last week when that nuclear power facility was on fire, i think all of us were asking ourselves, are we really going to stand by and watch that stay aflame? if we could intervene, would we want to do something? another question here. the issue of getting russian-made planes from poland to ukraine. is it better off basically getting the ukrainian pilots across the border and let them fly the planes from poland? >> this issue looks like a mess because it is messy, all right. it went public -- it went public last week, way before the plans were in place. and that has complicated everything. i don't know that this is going to be able to go forward, and frankly, it may be easier to provide the ukrainians with unmanned drones, less expensive, give them more of them. so, i understand that the desire

to help the ukrainian air force fight on is there. i get that. but it may be that there are other, more practical solutions. look, everyone in the free world wants to help ukraine. we're agonizing because the situation is dire. and so honest people are scrambling for ways to make this work. so everyone is trying to do the right thing, everyone in the west. putin is doing the wrong thing. that's what this is about. it's not simple. and i have some sympathy for the white house trying to deal with it, now this complicated problem of military support and support for the ukrainian air force when countries like poland are subject to retaliation. so it's not easy. >> andrea kendall taylor, you wrote this piece earlier this week, "the beginning of the end for putin." the good old-fashioned held line question mark, the headline

writer's best friend. i want you to react to what we heard today, what we heard today about putin's state of mind from our intelligence community. here it is. >> i think putin is angry and frustrated right now. he is likely to double down and try to grind down the ukrainian military with no regard for civilian casualties. but the challenge that he faces, and this is the biggest question that's hung over our analysis of his planning for months now, as the director -- as director haines said, he has no sustainable political end game in the face of what is going to continue to be fierce resistance from ukrainians. >> it's kind of a scary assessment, andrea, because it meanings he may feel like he has nothing left to lose. >> yeah. i think it is a scary assessment, and it's not only is he frustrated in ukraine and his ability to make progress in this conflict, but i think, you know,

as i discussed in the piece that i wrote, that he's feeling a tremendous amount of pressure domestically both from russians who are protesting out on the streets but also i think he's increasingly worried about keeping his elite onside. and the things we heard from our top intelligence officials suggest, and i very much agree with, is that putin's response is going to be to dig in his heels and double down on this. and as the director of national intelligenced a may recall haines went on to say, putin understands that this is a conflict that he cannot afford to lose. and that is borne out by the historical record. if you look at these types of personal regimes, if they are ousted, they can expect to be jailed or exiled or killed. i mean, look at moammar gadhafi in libya, for example. i think that's what putin expects, and so that puts a lot of risk, a lot of concern around this current moment as i think we will see putin take increasingly risky and aggressive actions and to use

all tools at his disposal in order to prevent his ouster. because that's number one for him. >> russia's own history shows that essentially losing a war costs the leader their job in one form or another if you want to go back to the czar days. let me ask you this -- is time on his side or our side? if we have patience, you know, it looks to me -- is this a regime that can stay like this for even the next three to six months? yes or no on that. >> i would say no. i am increasingly skeptical that this is sustainable for the putin regime. the announcement today by the united states to ban import of russian oil is extremely positive. i'm hope that feel we'll see other countries follow suit. the russian economy is imploding. i think it's going to get increasingly difficult for putin to be able to sustain this conflict both financially but also from a kind of stability perspective as more and more

russians are aware of what's happening there. so i at this point do not see -- i agree with the intelligence community assessments -- i don't see how putin can achieve his objectives politically, and i am more -- i think there's a greater chance than i have ever judged that putin's hold on power is less than it has been in the past. >> well, it's hard to envision how this ends with him in power. thank you both very much. still to come, we have the nation's leading national security officials testifying before the house intelligence committee. you heard andrea kendall taylor referring to some of the key moments. how prepared should we be for russia's military, cyber, and nuclear capabilities of an increasingly cornered, desperate putin? you're watching "meet the press daily." introducing new tresemme one step stylers. five professional benefits. one simple step.

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welcome back. as we mentioned, the u.s. national security officials testifying before the house intelligence committee this morning saying that they believe putin underestimated the western response to his invasion of ukraine but that his misstep is only likely to solidify his resolve to double down in ukrainian occupation. joined by one of the intelligence committee members is congressman mike quigley. congressman, appreciate you giving us a few minutes. i know you're about to go into the closed session which means you get the scarier stuff, perhaps. let me start with the state of the russian military. one of the former russian aides to boris yeltsin said he spent a bunch of money on the military and the oligarchs pocketed most of it. is that what your u.s. officials see? >> look, i think the world was surprised at some of the incompetence that they're witnessing with the russian

military, a convoy 40 miles long stuck in place, logistical nightmares. but in no way do i want to diminish the extraordinary threat they pose to ukraine and europe and the rest of the world. obviously, they have a nuclear arsenal and they have a president who seems to be making any kind of threat that he thinks he can justify. >> now, we know that putin has sabre rattled on nukes, but our folks say he's not actually done anything internally. let me ask you this, congressman. do we have an idea of how their nuclear sort of chain of command, the command and control works? and how isolated are these folks with putin or from putin? >> there were well written articles that talked about how isolated putin is and how difficult it is to get good

intelligence on him. that's still accurate. what troubles me when i think of putin and statements he's made, we haven't had a russian leader talk like that since the '60s, rambling, discoherent, one-hour speech prior to the invasion, the fact he seems far less calm and controlled regardless of what he's doing raises those concerns. so the biden administration is right. we see nothing about them putting anything in place, but as general berrier said, you have to take putin at his word. >> i'm curious of your reaction to this idea -- i had the former signer of this letter calling for a limited no-fly zone focused on humanitarian corridors. they're not working yet. is this the proper role for us right now? >> you know, after president zelenskyy spoke saturday, i compared him to winston churchill during the blitz. i want to take two lines from what he said to the british par

plamt today -- "we will fight to the end at sea and air, we will fight for our land in the forests and the fields." he's clearly channeling churchill. i think what we in the west have to remind ourselves is we were late to arrive to the final point of what we need do in the second world war and perhaps we're there now. they weren't arguing for their own country. they were argue l for the principles of democracy at risk here. we are all to a very large extent at war with putin now. he's declared war on us through previous cyberattacks and what we are seeing here. we have to ask ourselves, as general breed love said, what line do the russians have to cross? do we watch chicago's sister city, kyiv, get wiped out as humanitarian lines are shelled? so, i think we need to act. by the way, i don't know that there's any such thing as a limited no-fly zone or even a

no-fly zone. it's nato and russian jets fighting each other, killing russians. >> but it sounds like you're growing more in support of the idea because it's hard to -- it's hard to discern if a line already hasn't been crossed, in your mind? >> absolutely. in the final analysis, every argument is prefaced with, well, they're not part of nato. we defend every inch of nato. hasn't ukraine earned that right to be treated -- because what ukraine is fighting,its principles are the very reason we formed nato. if we allow tyrants to take a sovereign, democratic country, and not fight on the exact terms in the ways they're being massacred, again, zelenskyy saturday asked us directly, don't allow us to be exterminated. it has to be a lesson for all those who gave their last full measure of devotion in the second war to end such threats.

>> given putin's actions at this point, should we even offer him an off-ramp that keeps him in power? >> oh, there's always room for diplomacy, and i suspect we have very little ability to remove putin from power other than strangely as it seems the sanctions, because ill think putin's greatest fear as was previously referenced, is to be thrown out by his own people and hide in some hole as we've seen previous tyrants do, hiding from their own people. but there's always room for diplomacy. if there's way to end this and end the massacre that's taking place, i think you make every effort to do so. >> congressman mike quigley, i know you have to run off. democrat from the house intelligence committee. you're going into closed session, which meanings it could be the really scary stuff. appreciate you coming on. still to come, a staggering 2 million people have already

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homes in less than two weeks of war. that number is only growing as the russian invasion of ukraine advances. for perspective, 2 million is about the population of the entire cleveland melt row area. also by comparison, the balkan wars in bosnia and kosovo had an estimated 2 million to 3 million refugees in eight years. that's according to the director. you can see them arriving at a train station in poland, met with humanitarian aid workers as they disembark. kelly cobiella has been doing yeoman's work covering this humanitarian crisis from poland. on sunday we talked about how overwhelmed the border was there. and it's only growing increasingly so. has the e.u. stepped up? is there enough support for them or is there a point where poland can't take any more refugees? >> reporter: i mean, there are discussions right now, chuck, but there is no overarching plan in terms of what to do with

these vast numbers of people. we are at the train station again today and again seeing thousands of women and children arriving, waiting in crowded ticket halls, going onto different cities in poland, but still in poland, about 180-some, probably more than that now, 180-some-thousand have left the border countries into other parts of europe, but that leaves just under 2 million people in these border countries, the majority of them in poland. as i said over the weekend and i'll say it again today, the border towns are overflowing. the aid agencies are strapped. as a matter of fact, poland is now trying to set up shelters in different cities, basically wherever they can, in schools, stadiums, and in a huge expo center in warsaw, where they're setting up a space for 10,000 people. already they have 2,000. again, the need is growing by

the day, but there is still no overarching plan as to where these people go. there are people who would be willing and would want to go to the united states, but there's no path for that right now. the same applies, frankly, for the uk. so, again, this eu foreign chief talking today saying that, you know, there are discussions under way, foreign ministers understand they need to get together and form late some sort of plan. chuck, the number of people who have come into poland as of this morning, 1.2 million, that's almost the population of the state of maine. it's a huge number of people, and they all need extensive support. >> kelly, just to reiterate here, we don't have planes from other countries sitting on tarmacs ready to take some folks temporarily yet. i got to think this is what needs to happen next. >> reporter: i mean, when you listen to what the united

nations, red cross, and others are saying, that once there is more fighting closing in on bigger cities like kyiv, and some of the cities in the south, and the humanitarian corridors and we have an even larger influgs, and having said, that we've already seen a massiven flux of people into these border countries, the fact that those numbers or the possibility those numbers will only grow, means there has to be a plan, have to be planes moving these people more systemic flow of refugees to different countries because put quite simply, poland cannot take this number of people on its own. the numbers are too big. the amount of financing needed is too big. right now they're only moving by train and only trickling out of this country. it's too big of a burden. and the people in poland know that. >> we're just talking about poland.

we haven't talked about moldova, much less wealthier, not with nato ties. they're dealing with that. a lot of border nations are overwhelmed and they don't have the support services to do it. kelly cobiella, really appreciate the work you're doing. thanks very much. stay safe. as millions leave ukraine, those who stay have been fighting on, facing a brutal russian advance. a ukrainian member of parliament is here after the break. you're watching "meet the press daily." stylers. five professional benefits. one simple step. totally effortless. styling has never been easier. tresemme. do it with style.

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a little breaking news. one of the january 6th trials particularly with one person, that verdict is in. guy was being charged by the government for essentially being the chief incity tampa bay or the, if you will. the person that's led one of the more violent mobs to break into the capitol kwil he never actually got into the capitol itself. it's been an important trial. we have a verdict. it will be announced any moment. we'll bring you that verdict and

more information from pete williams as soon as we get it. back to ukraine. in less than two weeks, 1 in 20 ukrainians have fled the country, more displaced within ukraine, trapped within active war zone, parts of major cities have been leveled, reduced to rubble, and tens of thousands of civilians face shelling attacks that are growingly indiscriminate each passing day. moscow says it's not targeting civilians, but the pictures tell another story. this is evacuation from a city in northeastern ukraine where the minister of internal affairs says an overnight barrage of russian attacks targeted a number of residential buildings. in the south, evacuation efforts have proved futile. besieged citizens, one crying out of her damaged home in the port city of mariupol where they've gone days without medicine, heat, water, or food. evacuation efforts were scrapped over the weekend due to

continuous bombard. a ukrainian member of parliament has been traveling to country himself, being his own one-man humanitarian representative at times. we really appreciate the time you're giving me here. first, i just want to get your reaction to what president zelenskyy said to the british parliament. let me play the english translation for you. here it is. >> translator: we will not give up, and we will not lose. we will fight till the end at sea, in the air, we will continue fighting for our land, whatever the cost. please make sure that our ukrainian skies are safe. please make sure that you do what needs to be done and what is stipulated by the greatness of your country. best of all to ukraine and to

the united kingdom. >> your president has been meeting with members of the u.s. legislature, the british legislature, he gets all this applause. are you getting enough help from the west? >> first of all, i want to emphasize that before the war, it was -- i was in opposition to zelenskyy's party. but now we all stand together, and i can confirm any word what zelenskyy was saying to the british parliament. we already showed to outside world and to greater nations that we can burn and kill russians, and we are doing this quite efficiently. so, we already made them a hell on the ground. our problem is the sky, which we're not able to close. answering your question, yes, we already got some material help from the west, but it is not enough.

we know that nato will not fight on the soil of ukraine, but i think all of you know that the reason for the war is that ukraine could be the place for nato and it could be the threat to russia, meaning that when you're putting this attacking not ukraine but attacking nato and the entire west. and we are fighting, protecting the west, and we are paying very huge price. we are paying with the life of our women, of our kids, of our soldiers. we need more weapons. we need jet fighters because we need to close the sky. you see what russians are doing. they are not able to move on the ground successfully because ukrainians are burning them, soldiers are using cruise missiles, using fighters, and bombing the cities.

russians repeating the same what they did before in chechnya and georgia. they are locking cities and they want us to consume all resources inside of the city, not to let army to resist. so that's why any agreements with russia on humanitarian corridors, that's absolutely tricky things from russia pause they violate all this agreement because still today ukraine was able to collapse the plan of vladimir putin and vladimir putin did not have the plan b, so that's why i'm sure that he will increase military pressure on the ukrainian citizen villages but mostly attacking civilians, what they've doing the last four, five days. >> i tell you, you would have been happy what you heard from a u.s. congressman i had on earlier who essentially said the fight that ukraine has shown

already shows that they have earned nato protection essentially is what he said. let me ask you this -- can you get supplies in and out of kyiv right now, or is that being -- how close are you to being choked off from that? >> yes, from the very beginning, putin was targeting kyiv because kyiv is exactly the heart of ukraine and the heart of all this civilization and it was a big desire of moscow to receive back control over kyiv. so their plan was set out to block kyiv. kyiv is a huge city. i don't think many people in u.s. understands that if you exclude in larger cities of europe, moscow, st. petersburg, and istanbul, kyiv is the third largest city in europe. that's why technically it's very difficult to surround and to block city. so russians are attacking mostly

from the north and from the northwest because it's very close to the russia border and through belarusian they establish a chain because they need food and so forth. today the south access to skeeve more or less open, so that's why the deliveries to kyiv delivering very good, in fact. >> very quickly, the logisticings of getting these russian-made fighter jets into the hands of your country, ukrainian pilots, at this point, is it better to get the ukrainian pilots to the planes in poland? >> i think it's very specific military question. we need a final decision that we'll receive jet fighters. we have the pilots and we will fight with these jet fighters. the problem that we have a huge deficits on this aircraft.

so unfortunately, the west is still under discussion about releasing these aircrafts, which physically exist in poland and in other eastern european countries. the deep problem i hear from your program, a lot of issues and discussion. ukraine was warning west if the war was started you will have the refugees. we were wondering that we will need to protect sky, and now all this issue is under discussion. so, meaning that the west unfortunately late, but the ukrainian people and army give you time to make more tough decisions to help us, but, in fact, to help you, because we are talking about protection of western civilization, not only ukraine. >> the member of parliament,

andrii, you made a tremendous point there. appreciate you coming osharing what you're seeing, hearing, and feeling. good luck to you, sir. >> glory to ukraine. now more on the breaking news we told you about a few minutes ago. a jury has convicted guy refit, the first january 6th defendant to take his case to trial and is guilty on all charges. pete williams joins us. as i said, i know in the charging documents he was essentially being charged as sort of the lead instigator, if you will, led some folks who ended up doing some violent things to the capitol, though he never went into the capitol. what did he get found guilty of? >> reporter: all the counts against him, as you noted, chuck, obstructing the vote, of carrying a firearm into the district of columbia, carrying it up to the capitol, and then threatening to shoot his own children if they told the police or the fbi what he had been up to. now, the jury was out a

remarkably short period of time. the closing arguments were just yesterday. the jury began deliberating at about 10:00 this morning. then took a break for lunch at the noon hour and already has a verdict. so less than three hours of deliberating. deliberating. there was a fact there was a fast verdict was a good sign for the government, but there was overwhelming evidence here, chuck. there was still and video evidence taken by surveillance and other camera that is were around the capitol. as you say, he never entered the capitol. there was his own video, his own comments from a camera that he was wearing, and then the statements that he made to a fellow 3 percenter about what he planned to do and he planned to carry guns and then there were the things he told his own children, some of which was recorded by his son and one of the more dramatic moments his own son took the stand to testify against his father saying what his father said he

did at the capitol, that he was proud for his role in the riot, and the threats he made to the son and to a daughter that if they told anybody, law enforcement people what he was up to, they would be traitors and he said you know what happens to traitors. ge net shot. a remarkably fast verdict and the first trial in the january 6 riot, chuck. >> pete, how many trials are likely to happen at this point or that we know of right now this calendar year? >> reporter: there are four or five in the coming months. something like 750 people charged and well over something like 250 of them have pleaded guilty. in many cases people have already gone ahead and decided to plead. he did not want to. he wanted to take a stand here and it was obviously not a successful move.

he would have been convicted anyway if he pleaded guilty. he didn't really gain much by this but he thought that he could get his message across. >> i'm going to get yelled at for asking one more question. will this lead to more pleas? >> reporter: i would think so. >> yeah, i figured as much. pete williams, as always, sir, on the justice beat, thank you. still to come a closer look at president biden's announcement of banning imports of russia's oil as russia's economy spirals. omy spirals. inte step stylers. five professional benefits. one simple step. totally effortless. styling has never been easier. tresemme. do it with style. mm. [ clicks tongue ] i don't know. i think they look good, man. mm, smooth.

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since putin began his military buildup on the ukrainian borders, since then, the price of the gas at the pump went up 75 cents. and with this action it's going to go up further. i'm going to do everything can i to minimize putin's price hike here at home. >> welcome back. that was president biden earlier this morning acknowledging the gas prices will go up as a

result of his administration banning russian oil sales in the united states. he called them a putin price hike. as we mentioned this announcement came the day u.s. gas prices hit their highest levels on record according to aaa. russian oil makes up 8% of u.s. imports which make up 2% to 3% of total american consumption due to robust domestic consumption. with insight, cnbc anchor hadley gamble. let's talk about the impact on russia. we're doing this, the uk is doing this, the rest of europe hasn't yet done this. maybe they will, maybe they won't. what is the impact now and what could make it hurt more? >> reporter: i'll take this question a different way, if you will, chuck, europe for putin, he has on a string. 40% of their imports come from russia but also the oil situation. 30% comes from russia.

when i spoke to him live in october i asked him that question directly, are you using energy as a weapon? of course he denied it. it was clear that was just the first volley of many to insert his dominance in europe. what is there left for the u.s. and western allies to do after oil and gas sanctions because essentially what this does is really hit at the heart of his exports. 60% of russia's exports are the oil and gas sector. 40% of the federal budget was made up from the revenues of that oil and gas sector. it will hit the russian economy very, very heart. we're talking higher prices. we'll see higher prices at the pump. when you think what's happening to americans today, i have bad news for people, it's going to get a heck of a lot worse before it gets better and this has to do with the market fundamentals. even before the ukraine crisis we were already edging toward an energy crisis itself because of a lack of spare capacity, we

were in a very tight market, in terms of production and capacity and the result of all of that is a very, very tight market anyway. >> look, we've seen the united states has made little olive branches to venezuela, saudi arabia -- you and i were talking about that over the weekend, the saudi arabia olive branch -- and even, of course, with iran. what is a faster way to get more oil into our market, doing uncomfortable deals with pariahs or ramping up domestic production? >> i would say both and to do it as quickly as possible. it isn't just the ability to ramp up production, it's also about a lack of spare capacity globally and to get to that capacity to avert a major energy crisis that could do serious

damage post pandemic. they can't just flip the switch. they have to do this now in a series of moves. we've heard from the largers shale oil producer essentially saying to ramp up production to a level that's needed would take months this is what the biden administration has been talking about on and off camera, that relationship with opec plus, the countries led by saudi arabia and russia. you have to wonder if president biden isn't just going to pick up the phone and call the crown prince of saudi arabia to get some sort of deal done. when we saw opec meet last week they decided to stick to their production quotas. but at some point this gets political. we have oil prices, the russian oil minister suggesting that we could see oil prices at $300. you have to know this has gotten political.

and, frankly, what did they say about henry, it might be worth a phone call. >> yeah. i imagine that phone call is coming and may have already taken place for all we know. hadley gamble of our sister network at cnbc, i really appreciate your expertise. we'll be back tomorrow. msnbc's coverage will continue with katy tur right now. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. day 13 of the russia invasion of ukraine and here is what we know right now. speaking to house intel, william burns gave the intelligence community's assessment of vladimir putin. >> i think putin is angry and frustrated right now. he's likely to double down and try to