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your ears do not deceive you, we like to end with some notes of humanity and here we have notes from the ukrainian troops themselves playing the notesbobby, that was outside of the odessa opera house and that's our final moment to share with you on this broadcast. thanks for spending time with us. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" with e -- ukraine still fighting facing stiff resistance on the ground vladimir putin's over extended forces continue a strategy of siege warfare bombarding with missiles and artillery with no regard for civilian casualties, the on slot
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has laid waste to hospitals, schools and apartments. trapping ukraine's residents in an active war zone after russia violated a number of seize fire agreements, both countries today agreed to evacuate the besieged city in northeastern ukraine where residents began to flee this morning after that city faced intense shelling overnight which killed 21 people including two children according to ukrainian authorities. like-wise, police say another 2,000 civilians fleed from outside the capital of kyiv where russian forces struck an evacuation route in a sudden and deliberate attack and that city appears to be targeted as russia surrounds kyiv. >> reporter: describe to me what is going on. >> hell. hell.
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>> today ukraine is again accusing russia of striking an evacuation route out of mariupol where 200,000 civilians are trying to escape an increasingly dire situation. that city surrounded by russian forces has been without power, gas or water for a week. corpses reportedly line the street where residents are salve looking for food in urgent need of relief. g for food in urgent of relief. looking for food in u of relief. looking for food in u of relief.
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this was the fourth day in a row attempts to evacuate mariupol failed due to russian shelling according to the "wall street journal." these heartbreaking scenes make it clear why putin's war of choice fueled a mass exodis of 2 million refugees, 100 ukraiians leaving their country every minute. 1 million are children who had to leave behind everything they've ever known. >> i really wanted to go home because they're my friends, and beautiful parks, supermarkets, centers and playgrounds behind my house. they're my toys. they're my friends that i don't know where my friends now. >> but among those heartbreaking scenes, there are also signs of hope and solidarity. today president zelenskyy was met with a standing ovation from
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the british parliament after a speech. he called russia a terrorist state and pled for more support. the most notably, he echoed the words of winston church hill as he vowed to fight the russian invaders until the very end. >> translator: i would like to remind you that the united kingdom have already heard which important again. we will not give up and we will not lose. we will fight until the end at sea in the air, we will continue fighting for our land, whatever the cost. >> we seen that fighting spirit today among ukrainian women. some of whom are marking international women's day with videos showcasing their resolve to fight russia. russia.
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>> this comes as president biden today announced the united states will ban imports of oil which will further squeeze the russian economy and poland offered to immediately transfer all of the russian made fighter jets to a u.s. air base in germany. however, u.s. officials say neither the pentagon nor state department were consulted on that proposal. joining me now from lviv is cal perry. i want to start there, cal. this plan by poland to transfer fighter jets not directly to ukraine but to germany meaning that the united states is now responsible for somehow getting them into the hands of ukrainians and ukrainian pilots, that sounds like poland decided to, i don't know, shirk the responsibility and pass the buck and i wonder how that is going
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to work out. >> reporter: yeah, i mean, i think it clear they're looking for a middleman to give them to instead of transferring here. there is an obvious reason for that. we heard nato saying this could be one of the things that starts a world war. this is why nato doesn't want to put a no fly zone in here. we heard from the secretary general saying he believes more lives will be saved by limiting the war here in ukraine as difficult as that is to imagine, we've been talking about these for three days. it was interesting three days ago how will we get and how will the ukrainian military get the jets out of poland? the idea is pilots would drive across the border into poland and fly the jets here, clearly the polish government didn't want that. it is interesting, obviously, the americans were caught off guard with this. senior defense officials telling my colleague, they were caught off guard. they saw this as a polish decision. they did not know this was coming and it is that push and pull.
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you have european nations, members of nato who do not want to abandon ukraine. they don't want to leave ukraine at the hands of the russian army and at the same time, they don't want to be the reason vald mir vladimir putin widens this war. it's an interesting question as i'm 50 miles from the polish border, we know weapons are coming across somewhere. we don't know where or how. there is an obvious reason we don't know those things so how do these nations find their way through this as kids are dying in these basements across the eastern part of the country and these are the words of president zelenskyy, how can the west stand by and do nothing? poland is trying to do something without being a target, without leaving the ukrainian people behind. it is an impossible line to walk, joy. >> and the thing is poland has accepted i think roughly half a million people. they're accepting refugees coming out of ukraine. they're not doing nothing. but it strikes me that the united states has been incredibly transparent, the biden administration has given all the intelligence that you could possibly give.
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they've been very open about that intelligence. they've tried to really work hand and hand with our nato allies and yet, now, you have poland saying well, we'll give you the jets but a, we want you, the u.s. to figure out how to get them into ukraine and b, we want allegedly apparently to have reimbursement jets sent to us. john kirby, the spokesperson for the pentagon said that he -- this raises serious concerns for the entire nato alliance saying it's not clear there is a substantive rational for it because i thought the fear was a direct confrontation between the united states and russia. this seems to set us up for that. >> reporter: right, look, under article 5, it doesn't really matter as far as nato is concerned because if the u.s. were to engage with russian forces and let's be very clear, the president of the united states has made it clear as far as he's concerned thanks is not going to happen.
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the defense made it clear that is not going to happen but if it were, article 5 would trigger an end and poland would have to step in under the nato charter. all of this is interesting. it's a shuffling of these jets around. it's also interesting what you're saying that poland is willing to give up these jets in exchange for new jets coming from the u.s. to sort of back fill their arsenal. but why is it that they're only willing to hand it off to the americans? that's the real question. the followup question is why didn't they run this by the americans before announcing it? why this was announcement made without coordinating with the pentagon and white house? it seems like they're passing the buck but walking the fine line they want to show the ukrainian people, they want to show the ukrainian president and he's been calling for the jets for three or four days and screaming for a no fly zone and for these airplanes. it's almost like the polish government said we're satisfying the president of ukraine's request without getting involved directly with russia, joy. >> yeah, it's an interesting
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move. i will put it that way, cal perry, thank you very much. stay safe. i'm joined by a member of the ukraine yn parliament. i want to ask you, thank you for being here and talking with us. about that offer by poland, because it does seem to me that right there in the region, transferring it to germany is not transferring it directly to ukraine. time is of the essence. it will take time to do this two-way handoff particularly since the americans weren't consulted. what do you make of this decision by poland to hand over the jets which is good but do it this way? >> well, frankly speaking, that does sound like an old scheme. we were not sure exactly how the polish side will proceed. we are extremely happy to learn that bringing the fighter jets is going on but it seems like
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there will be some time before we actually get the jets and in our case, unfortunately, time is calculate in human lives lost. we do know as of now, that five children are killed every day so every day of delay was delivering those jets to ukraine for any reason be it logistics, political, anything else is leading to children's lives lost in ukraine. we hope that will be figured out one way or another pretty soon because what putin is doing and shelling from the air and bomb boarding our cities is so very, very terrifying. >> the -- it's hard to detect what the goal is at this point of the russian operation because they have clearly soured every single ukrainian whether they're russian speaking or ukrainian speaking against russia. they will not be able to control this country and occupy it. that's not going to work. that's not going to happen. it's very clear the military is far substandard of what it was
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built to be. do you get the sense the idea is to empty ukraine and make the cities empty to occupy a shell rather than allow ukraine to emerge as a western democracy? do you think russia at this point would rather destroy ukraine rather than even try to hold it? >> that is very much the feeling. it terrifying but it seems like this, that the russian strategic operation has failed. they were planning to take over the city of kyiv the first one to three days of the war and that failed. they haven't managed to capture kharkiv despite the heaviest bombardment of the city. it's my native city. it pains me to see what they did to kharkiv but they didn't get into the city. the ukrainian army did push them further. they cannot get into the city of mariupol despite the terrible
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lives lost there and they cannot get into the city. they cannot proceed in the south to the city defending itself so strongly. they cannot achieve any military goals so it seems given that, they're turning to a different strategy of killing civilians. we have evidence from some russian soldiers captured by the ukrainian soldiers who were saying this, that they were given direct orders to shoot at civilians and that is why what we seen where they were not allowing people with children to be evacuated, what we're seeing in mariupol is this goal in mind, to terrify the civilian population but this is inhuman. this is terrible but this seems to be their strategy or their tactic right now? you posted this video. it arresting video of women, ukrainian women ready to fight. it is international women's day and the emphasis on the women
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staying behind and women heroically getting their children and parents out but many are staying and fighting. in your mind is the preparation of the government of ukraine gearing up towards an insurgency to be honest? that video reminded me of the insurgenies we've seen around the country and world in other conflicts. is that what you're gearing up for, an insurgency? >> we still hope, it still feels like ukrainian army is actually more or less in control of the situation to an extent possible. we are actually fighting the russians and the ukrainian army is holding the ground so they are making sure they locate the ways for them to proceed with
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breaches and so on. it's terrifying but seems the strategy of the army. we should be able to fight that on the ground with the regular army and this video, because of the international women's day and because so many women are fighting in the ukrainian army now, we actually have a very high number of women in the army. it's up to 20%. we have a high number of women. this is my appreciation the video of the women fighting on the front line. many have before but now it's even more but i do hope that we shall be able to fight it sooner than later. i'm sure as soon as the sky is secured, we shall be able to fight on the ground. we've proven we're able and capable of fighting this russian army which you truly called the
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substandard, that's what it turns out to be. they're extremely demotivated. they don't know what they're doing. once they captured by the ukrainian soldiers, they start crying and say like we were thinking we bringing peace here but realize we're killing civilians. i don't have empathy for them. that seems to be part of the problem with the russian army, the moral side. they don't understand what they're doing and have no motivation to proceed. >> yeah. i have to say some in our country question whether women should be in the military. i think the ukrainian military overall including the brave women part of it has proven those people wrong. anybody that thinks that is obviously wrong. please stay safe. thank you for spending time with us this evening. still ahead on "the reidout". >> today i'm announcing the
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united states is targeting the main artery of russia's economy banning oil and natural gas. >> a bold move by president biden but what does it mean for gas prices here? putin's war is costing more lives than most experts predicted. how do we account for his stalled northern offensive and what is it capable of doing if it remains bogged down? "the reidout" continues after this. d down "the reidout" continues after this ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ [bushes rustling] [door opening] ♪dramatic music♪ yes!
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today we remain united, remain united in our purpose to keep pressure mounting on putin and his war machine. this is a step that we're taking to inflict further pain on putin but there will be costs as well here in the united states. i said i would level with the american people from the beginning and when i first spoke to this, i said defending freedom is going to cost, it's going to cost us as well in the united states. >> that was president biden
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accounting -- announcing today that the united states would ban all russian oil imports. a move that will come at a severe cost to russians and have ramifications in the u.s., as well. while america imports only 4% of russian oil, today's announcement sent prices skyrocketing with a barrel of oil trading at $130, just two weeks ago it was trading for roughly $95. president biden noted he would do his best to insulate americans from the pain at the pump and said it was an opportunity for america to be a leader in clean energy technology. >> this crisis is a stark reminder to protect our economy over the long term. we need to become energy independent. that will mean tyrants like putin can't use fossil fuels as weapons against other nations and it will makeer manufacturin technology for the future. >> hours later, prime minister
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boris johnson announced the united kingdom would phase out russian imports by the end of the year. in a video address today, president zelenskyy thanked president biden and prime minister johnson and encouraged other countries to do the same. yesterday russia's deputy prime minister warned a rejection of russian oil would lead to catastrophic consequences for the global market. russia is the third largest oil producer behind the u.s. and saudi arabia and the largest exporter of crude to global markets. the european union receives 40% of the gas by russian pipelines. finland and germany that expressed skepticism about cutting off russia receives roughly 50% of the gas from russia. late today, fitch a credit rating firm cut russia's financial rating moving the country's outlook into junk territory and warped a russian debt would happen.
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stephanie ruhle and business correspondent. congressman, i'll start with you. there is house legislation that is also going through pending there would ban the imports of russian oil. what's the difference between the house legislation and what president biden announced today? >> president biden's announcement today is ban the import of oil but in addition to that, he included provisions to prohibit the financing of russian energy projects which is very, very important and also prohibit the investments by american companies. there are additional provisions in the executive order. the legislation is still being crafted but it relates to the trade status of russia as well as the banning of the import of russian oil. >> and stephanie, if i could go to you to explain this and regular people terms you're so good at doing my friend and colleague, congrats on the new show. the market is global, right? so if the united states says we're not going to buy any more russian oil, it's not as if that turns off a certain spicket of
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it. how does the united states and the u.k. cutting back on our consumption of really relatively smaller amounts of oil impact the market? >> let's break this down, joy. the united states produces an enormous amount of its own oil and gas. less than 10% we get from russia. we deal with a price issue. if russia suddenly has nowhere to sell their oil because it's not just the united states, it's the u.k., it's the e.u. the e.u. gets up to 40% of their oil and natural gas from russia. if russia doesn't have anywhere to sell it, that's a problem for them. as you said, the price is set globally. if the price of oil is $200 a barrel, if we don't need russian oil we have to pay that increased price. so there is two things that happen from there. we're now dealing with increased gas prices and everyone for good
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reason is obviously very, very upset about that. this is a point where you and i should smile real, real big for the boys at fox news because this is where they say at msnbc they don't care the american people will struggle and they can't pay for more expensive gas. that's not the case at all. obviously, everyone is sensitive to americans that have to pay more for gas but unfortunately, for the time being that is going to be the price of war for the american people. and when you think about what other things it could cost us, like us having our own military on the front lines, paying more for gas for the time being is a much cheaper than what a military option would be. that's where we are. this is the economic tool we can use to squeeze russia. >> indeed. congressman, there are things maybe at the margins that, you know, congress could do to weigh in instead of backing what the president is doing. you could mess with the gas tax, right? which is probably not great long term for the environment.
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you can lever that down. are there other small things, because i hate to break it to folks watching, stephanie will high five me virtually. joe biden doesn't decide the price of gas. he can't do much to control the price of gasoline. that's not the way it works. there are small things that could be done in terms of dealing with the gas tax. is that being considered at all legislatively? >> i think stephanie has it exactly right. people are very, very aware of how difficult this is for working families in this country. the president has released the reserves from the petroleum reserves to help increase the supply of gasoline to help stabilize the price. he's called on producers to produce more particularly our allies around the world and really called out and
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unjustified and i was just at the ukraine polish border and millions of ref fuf gees are leading the country. we have a responsibility to do and resulted from vladimir putin's aggressions and if we are going to be forced to pay additional for gas to fight for their freedoms and fight for democracy and support that effort, we're going to do everything we can to mitigate the impact of this decision but i think it absolutely right the american people don't want to fnance this war and deadly man killing women and children if we can choke the revenue supply to russia and cripple the economy and americans are ready to do their part. and it would be easy but it the
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right thing to do. >> also -- >> i rarely get to report good news that american corporations take a lot of heat for practices. companies are out of there nike, coca-cola is leading the russian economy decimated i wonder what we're leaving on the table, joe manchin said we can pump more oil and out there with the drill, baby drill stuff. you have republicans trying to play politics with the gas prices. wouldn't the answer be to say let's pull out the build back better bill and get off oil. get off oil as much as possible as soon as possible. why is that not talked about as an option? >> it can and should be. it is in the e.u. they're speeding up the green plan by a decade.
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this is a moment to say stop using so much oil and gas saying hey, we need help here. just yesterday, republican florida lawmakers took away the subsides to put solar on buildings and homes. the things incentiizing people to go green. do it economically, environmentally across the board. consider it. one thing to think about with the businesses. putin doesn't care the russian people suffer. now that he's backed into a corner, that could make him more aggressive and that's very scary. >> one thing that is absolutely true, he clearly does not care about the people of russia being isolated and economically destroyed because of this one
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in what may be a response to a slower than anticipated takeover vladimir putin is going full fledged aleppo in ukraine flattening entire cities like in syria and further escalating a humanitarian crisis that left tens of thousands of people without food, water, power or heat. it shows you what a corner bunker down despit is capable of. the military strength might be larger with advanced weapons but as "the new york times" notes, those forces have become bogged down struggling with logistic
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problems, apparent poor troop moral and errors ukrainian troops exploited. the forces have killed a second russian general within days of a general killed last week. u.s. intelligence agencies estimate that up to 4,000 russian soldiers have been killed during the two-week long invasion of ukraine. put that in context for a second. the u.s. had around 2500 military deaths during our 20-year war in afghanistan. here is satellite video showing the long parade of russian armored vehicles, some 40 miles long heading toward ukraine's capital for days it has not been moving. u.s. officials attribute the apparent stall to logistical challenges on the russian side, challenges they believe the russians didn't anticipate. the resistance may continue to surprise but putin's answer to surprise is brutality and according to u.s. intel chiefs, he's likely -- he's unlikely to be detoured. >> we assess putin feels
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aggrieved the west doesn't give him proper deaf france and this is a war he can't afford to lose. >> he has no end game in the face of what will be fierce resistance from ukrainians. >> okay. much more on today's stark u.s. intel assessment next, what are the war's lasting implications and what is president putin capable of as world powers back him into a corner? we'll be right back. k him into a corner? we'll be right back. if you have type 2 diabetes or high blood pressure you're a target for chronic kidney disease.
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russia has implications for the future we're only beginning to understand but are sure to be consequential. >> the director of national intelligence arguing today that the ripple effect from putin's decision to invade ukraine.
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on bnc news and director under president obama. i would normally do ladies first but i want to ask you this, tom. i've been dying to ask you-all day. when you have an army like the russian army exposed as far less tactically prepared for conflict as this one has been and when they've exposed themselves in this direct way while president of russia is still demanding to be treated as a top tier power, i wonder if that in a way makes putin more dangerous because all of his adversaries now know what his capabilities are and are not. >> he doesn't handle humiliation well and this is pretty humili humiliating. i think that that's part of the problem here. there is going to be a lot of finger pointing inside moscow about who is to blame for this
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but this has been an ongoing problem with the russian military. these were supposedly problems they identified back in 2008 after the war in georgia and somehow they were going to straighten out and reform and fix and modernize but the other problem aside from the hardware is the russians just aren't very good planners. they just don't seem to learn lessons very well and the only thing they can fall back on is what you're seeing now, which is bringing in a very big hammer and flattening areas full of civilians. this will make putin difficult to deal with because for all that talk about how he wants to -- people that are worried he'll somehow swing west, he can't get to kyiv in two weeks. not something i expected. the russian army under performed by my already somewhat low
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expectations. >> you know, it's interesting that the one piece of sort of intel that was not spot on as the white house released lots of intelligence about what putin would do and right about everything except one thing to tom's point, they thought that they would be more effective in trying to take kyiv. they have not been able to do that at all. meanwhile, listen to bill burns said about vladimir putin's potential mental state. take a listen. >> a lot of my constituents think that putin is crazy or playing crazy and in an open setting how you asses putin's mental state? >> i think his views congressman on ukraine and a lot of other issues have hardened over the years. i think he's far more insulated from people that challenge or question these views, in my opinion is that doesn't make him crazy but extremely difficult to
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deal with because of the hardening of his views. >> you know, american administrations have tried to view russian leadership in the most positive light possible. have tried to sort of reset the relationship. remember the big reset during the obama administration and george w bush saying he looked into putin's eyes and got a sense of his soul. with putin himself, these attempts to try to treat him as a normal leader, not isolate him or treat him the way that we treat the leadership of iron or north korea. how do you assume and presume having worked in a previous white house this white house is reassessing and recalibrating the way that they deal with him now that it turns out he's more like kim jong-un. >> that is part of an administration that used the term russian reset quite often and what we're seeing now is the effort to turn the corner from the cold war adversary
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relationship has only resulted in a person like putin who made his moment of trama when the berlin wall fell and he stood there and watched the soviet union collapse and stood there in defense of the last out post of the kgb in the west, right? that was a formative part of his experience. we thought we could move him mast that. he out lasted a nearly three to four presidents and now using this moment of what he thought would be weakness coming out of a trump administration to take over ukraine, what barr mentioned about his mind set. this is the mind set of an ageing man trying to grasp in his last moments of mortality at some legacy of power and strength and is turning out to be a cornered cat. the danger of a corner the cat is that he will lash out and strike out being cornered and he has the opportunity to do that with nuclear weapons which is not something that iran or north
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korea were able to do when they were isolated from the rest of the world. >> well, and tom, there is i think the question that is sort of lingering in the back, at least those of us old enough to remember to do the drills. i was in colorado, 50 miles from ground zero what's the point of hiding under our desk? that's the thinking i grew up with. there are horrendous cards putin can play, tactical nuclear weapons. he does have an american brittney griner, nba star and custody, his government has her. i wonder about his mental state and what he might be willing to do, do you? >> i do. i'll object to the cat metaphor speaking for cats as i must. i'm very concerned about his mental state and i think, you know, when you're hearing the director of the cia talk about how isolated he is, i think that's how he got into this situation in the first place. someone told him that this was
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going to be a walkover, that this was going to be four or five-day operation and i'm very concerned that he is also -- there is a lot bound up in here with advisors in the orthodox church of which i am a member, and that there is a really tragic escalation here that is part of a war that has a lot to do with religion and what he's been told about being a great russian figure to somehow restore the unity of the russian people and the orthodox faith and, you know, that is how he got into the war but the problem is, again, is that as director burn said, he doesn't have a viable exit strategy here. he didn't think through what happens if the ukrainians fight? what happens if this turns out to be wrong? he could play awful cards. i want to add one thing, apparently the national intelligence estimate is he still doesn't want or the
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russian government doesn't want a direct war with the united states but what he could do is put so many pieces in motion and raise the spector of accidents and miscalculations as an attempt to try to get his and, lastly to you. this refugee crisis, we're talking about one in 20 ukrainians have now left the country, not just ukrainians, there are african migrants, they're indian migrants. their questions of where do these people stay? many times when you become a refugee, you don't go back. you wind up living where you go. and i wonder what you make of europe's ability to absorb, maybe twice this many, we don't know how many more? what do you make of it? >> joy, this refugee crisis we are seeing right now is already
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2 million people in the last week and a half. that have left ukraine. they have land borders that they're able to cross over. they don't have the perilous journey that many of the syrian refugees had to cross the mediterranean to go through the crease. but that crisis in 2015 that stunned europe, the 1.5 million people, this is already more than that. yet, we are seeing a reaction from the european union that is more welcoming. they have given ukrainians three years without having to prove any papers, identity has played a big part in european response. >> indeed, thank you both very much. i appreciate you. we will be right back. right back. who said only this is good? and this is bad? i'm doing it my way. meet plenity. an fda -cleared clinically proven weight management aid for adults with a bmi of 25-40 when combined with diet and exercise. plenity is not a drug - it's made from naturally derived building blocks and helps you feel fuller and eat less. it is a prescription only treatment and is not for
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the country have shown incredible resilience in the face of dire circumstances. one musician showed a video of her performance in a car keep on shelter last week. ♪ ♪ ♪ and despite the brave images, the fact is we are witnessing a spiralling humanitarian crisis. the un says more than 2 million americans -- ukrainians have been refugees. more than 1 million have crossed the border into poland. joining me now from the polish border with ukraine's alison barber. alison, give us a sense of the magnitude -- i mean, it's hard to get your mind around 2 million people on
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the move and a lot of them headed to the polish border. >> 2 million people into 13 days. the speed that we are seeing so many people leave, it really is staggering. when you are at these border crossings and you see just buses, and buses, and buses crossing through, full of people, and children predominantly. it really is hard, even though we have seen it for days now, we have seen it in person and six different border crossings, it is hard to wrap your mind around it, most of the people we are seeing crossing into poland's women and children. we have met so many incredibly brave mothers who have made the decision to leave behind everything they know and come to another country so that their children have the chance to live a safe life. anytime someone flees, any refugee, they never, ever want to be a refugee. they all want to go home.
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they've made an incredibly brave decision to move elsewhere. oftentimes to protect their family, their loved ones, and their children. we've met so many moms who have made that decision. we have also met moms who, as soon as they have crossed the border and got their own children to safety, they're calling back, trying to help other mothers, other people they know do the same. listen we >> [interpreter] this is so scary, it's genocide. with genocide against ukrainians. and we even if the world will not support us, it will be too difficult to go back to ukraine. me, as a refugee, i will be helping other refugees, actually. i will be helping mothers to move to poland so they will feel safe. because we don't actually know where the next bomb will be thrown on us. and every mother is really scared and worrying for their
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children. i will do my best to help them. to help people. [end of translation] >> we at border crossings, and refugee welcome centers, our makeshift centers. the camps we are seeing are loosely organized. a lot of different groups trying to help. that makes it very confusing for the people coming over, trying to figure out where they go from here. initially, we were meeting a lot of people crossing into poland because they had family or friends here they were going to stay with. the last 48 hours where when -- they don't know anyone in poland at all. this next wave, if you will, of people coming, it seems to be a lot of people coming to poland, and they have no idea where they will stay. we know the polish government is running low on cots in some of these areas where they're letting people stay, or at least a little while before they are transported further away from the border. they have about 200 cots from vienna. joy? >> this is --
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[interpreter] such a tragic situation. thank you for bringing us of that in the sound. people need to understand, when people leave the countries, a lot of the times, their children and their children's children will be polish, they will not go back. a lot of the time, when you leave where you are from, especially in a situation of war, it's not like you go home. so we need to start thinking about how this impacts europe as a whole long term. alison barber, thank you so much. that is it for readout. chris hayes starts now. s >> tonight on all in -- >> we don't have electricity, we don't have anything to eat. we don't have medicine. we've got nothing. >> cities devastated and civilians attacked. tonight, the russian tactics in ukraine and the u.s. response. >> russian oil will no longer be accepted in u.s. ports and the american people will deal another powerful blow. >> the ban on russian fossil fuel and the effect it could have. then --

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