up to their real -- >> all right, former russian foreign minister, thank you so much for your time in your insight. it is greatly appreciated, as always. that is all in for this evening. i am in for christie, the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening ali. ayman, thank you for an excellent show, have a good night and we will talk to you later on. and thanks for you at home for joining us. this hour, i am in barren charade, hungary tonight. right on the edge of hungary where refugees continue to stream across the border. the united nations said today that more than 2 million ukrainians have fled for neighboring nations like hungary to escape the war and the violence of russia's rained on their country for 13 straight days now. half of the 2 million refugees are believed to be children, which is consistent to what i have seen in the several days that i've been here on the

border. but millions more remain in ukraine. pendant by the constant threat of russian shelling and missiles. sky news is alex crawford brings us this report tonight from a small village outside kyiv. sma>> they know all about civilians being attacked here. the small village community just south of the ukrainian capital has been torn apart by russian bombs. almost an entire street disappeared in an instant. three children and three adults were killed, devastating their families and the whole neighborhood. the explosions have left a deep burning anger, and a thirst for revenge among the men of the village who have taken up arms to defend their community and their country. can i feel only hate, he tells us. we will never forgive them for this. with another says they have to close the skies. the rest of the world have to

become involved and close the airspace above ukraine. and their friend says, we will keep on shooting them every time they shoot us, people should, back and we will not leave any alive. we will kill every single invader. cool >> despite the repeated calls from ukrainian people and its leaders to enforce this no fly zone over the country, the united states and nato remain resistant to that idea. but one nato ally is trying to assist ukraine in the skies in a different way. today, poland announced that it would be transferring its entire fleet of mig-29 jet fighters to the u.s. airbase in germany where the expectation that the united states will then donate those jets to ukraine, whose fighter pilots know how to fly the russian made mig-29. this is not just a logistical quagmire, but it's a serious risk of triggering russia's retaliation against united states for assisting the ukrainian military effort. the defense department threw

cold water on police reversal tonight saying it does not believe that there is a clear rationale to transfer jets from a nato country into ukrainian come freaked, and the united states is not convinced that this plan is tenable. today, president biden did announce that the united states would ban the import of russian oil and natural gas into the country. the uk said today it will do the same thing by the end of the year. exporting oil and gas, keeping in mind, this is how russia makes its money. this is going to hit russia where it hurts the most. ukrainians president, volodymyr zelenskyy, praised the move in a video released this evening. he said he's personally thankful to president biden for making this decision that will, quote, make russia pay for their aggression and answer for the evil that they have done. president zelenskyy defiantly remains in kyiv this evening where he addressed the british parliament today, and he received a standing ovation. within the last 24 hours, president zelenskyy posted this

video from his office for the first time since the invasion began, almost daring the russians to come find him. russian forces continue to press towards ukraine's capital. they have intensified their bombardment, surrounding the city and its suburbs. russia is also drastically increased its attack on civilian targets. in the overnight hours, a russian airstrike hits the city of sumy. at least 21 civilians were killed, including two children. nbc's eritrea angle reports from the outside skirts of kyiv. where the shelling got so bad, they had to evacuate an entire hospital. some >> russia is also devastating the suburb of irpin, driving thousands into the capitol. ukrainian forces have been holding out against russian troops in irpin, which is just on the edge of kyiv, but today they have decided to evacuate all the patients from the hospital and all the medical staff. >> those coming out of irpin

today were shell-shocked. andré walked out with his cat, symbol. we >> a big column of russian vehicles just -- in our houses. >> they were just firing at the buildings. >> yes. >> he shared with us videos that he recorded of a russian tank below his window, and another russian video on fire. tonight, a u.s. senior defense official says despite ukrainian resistance, including shutting down some russian jets, russia still has 95% of its combat power intact. >> them still, despite russia's overwhelming military strike, rick radiance tonight remains again and they are determined to fight. joining us live from ukraine's andrzej's of barack, he is the former ukrainian minister of defense as well as the chairman of the security think tank center for a defense strategies.

sir, thank you for being with us tonight. i do have to ask you, everyone i've talked to in the government, the ukrainian government, cannot be more proud of the resistance, the civilian resistance, the territorial defense, and the actions of the ukrainian defense forces, but they have all said ukraine cannot withstand the power of russia without more help from the west. now we have heard the defense department in the united states say this plane trade with poland is not actually going to happen. i want to get your reaction to that first. >> yes, well, we were quite welcoming the move of poland and i don't understand why should not happen. if one country wants to help its neighbor and transfer the equipment, u.s. has been transferring hundreds of millions of dollars of equipments of all kinds. so why cannot it be planes? civilians -- i sincerely hope, this is relatively recent news from tonight, but i sincerely hope

that the u.s. wasn't serious about saying no that we won't get planes. we believe that this will be considered -- >> you know -- sorry, we will be speaking to lieutenant carl we in a minute, but he said something the other day, things without were unthinkable two weeks ago, will be real today. things that are unthinkable now will be real in two weeks. so what kind of creative thinking can you suggest to the west, to nato, to the united states to say, look, if you don't want to get into a direct fighting war with russia, here are the other options that you might consider? >> yes, the options were fighting, with the fighter jets their -- force capability. also the transferring of air defense to protect our skies more and also to have with unlimited range, enough lives zone, at least in some part of the country, where we can guarantee where people will

feel safe. because right now there is no such place in ukraine where people feel safe. and that creates possibly a much bigger problem, of possibly tens of millions of refugees. so ukrainian forces are now quite successful on the ground. and actually, they casualties from russia is over -- well over 10,000. and they're also wounded soldiers from russia, tens of thousands already. so actually, ground capability and manpower quip capability is reduced. but they still have a substantial advantage in the sky. and they use it over and over again, as we can see on the civilian infrastructure, over again. every night, every day. so that has to be addressed, indeed. me >> what is the thing you think is going to convince your western neighbors and nato to do something? you just heard richard engel talk about the fact that a hospital has had to be

evacuated, we continue to see confirmed reports of civilian casualties, attacks that look like, in some cases, they are deliberate. some of them are the circumstance of bombing and missiles, but some of them seem to be deliberate attacks on civilians. these are war crimes if they are true. is that the thing that is going to convince the west to say, look, at the very least, create humanitarian corridors to let our people travel, or let them out? >> exactly. and humanitarian corridors and humanitarian zones, some sort of protected areas. but honestly speaking, most of these shelling's have nothing to do with the war effort. they're just terrorizing civilians. they've been shelling lots of buildings which are not even close to the military bases. and they are war crimes, and of course we have more than enough evidence of that. from all different towns and villages, and so on. so yes, there are solutions and u.s. diplomats and u.s. experts and the military personnel, will they do know exactly what

could be done. so i believe it's just forming a policy about that and making decision. because every day decisions delay, we see the casualties mounting. >> of course, we see more refugees streaming over the borders including to places like where i am. some andriv zagorodnyuk, we appreciate your time. he is the former ukrainian minister of defense. here is something to understand about the unlikely rise of volodymyr zelenskyy. the comedian, an actor who became ukraine's president in 2019. zelenskyy ran a populist campaign against years, and years of political corruption in ukraine's government. the ukrainian people had launched two revolutions in the space of a decade, trying to get themselves a leader who would not be corrupt. in 2014, they succeeded in ousting a pro russian autocrat after he suddenly abandoned a plan deciding a free trade agreement with the european

union, and instead opted for closer ties with russia. now if there's one thing the ukrainian people had been pretty clear about in recent years is that they want a greater integration into the west, not with russia. ukraine has been trying to get into the european union and into nato for years, but it's been constantly being told they were not ready. they had to crack down on corruption and strengthen the rule of law and democratic institutions. these were in fact all real problems in ukraine. they were pirouette quizzes for greater integration with western europe. essentially, ukraine had to get its act together. only then could they joined their neighbors like poland and the baltic states in orienting themselves westward and away from russia. now the election of this young, charismatic, populist leader elevated to office on the promise of, well, finally getting ukraine's act together, felt like a real opportunity. of course, vladimir putin didn't much like this idea. he didn't to see ukraine get its act together. putin preferred that ukrainians experience with democracy have

been riddled with corruption and disappointment. plus, he saw this new ukrainian leader as an experienced in way over his head. the guy used to be a comedian, for god sake. a perfect opportunity to squeeze ukraine for a new concessions like seeding crimea and eastern territories to russia and swearing off alliances with the west. this was a moment when what ukraine really needed was its biggest strongest partner, the united states, to step up and say that ukraine and its new president had the full backing and respect and support of the united states. but the u.s. stood with ukraine and with zelenskyy against any russian aggression. but that's not what's ukraine's new president got. ukraine's new president, volodymyr zelenskyy, god donald trump. which trump refused to invite zelenskyy to the white house for a show of solidarity that the new ukrainian leader so desperately wanted. trump and his allies instead pushed a conspiracy theory, actually a bit of russian

disinformation, that ukraine had interfered in the 2016 u.s. election. not russia, remember that? rudy giuliani let an effort to manufactured dirt in ukraine on trump's political opponents. when the american ambassador to ukraine, maria yoda -- was seen as a roadblock to that project, precisely because she was such a staunch opponent of the corrupt figures and ukraine who were helping giuliani spin up this dirt, they trust her reputation. donald trump ultimately removed her. and of course, there was the infamous phone call in which trump made military aid to ukraine contingent upon zelenskyy doing trump a favor. announcing investigations into joe biden and his son. trump froze congressionally approved military aid to ukraine to pressure him. all of this, of course, resulted in donald trump's first impeachment. but we tend to see trump's ukraine debacle in terms of its domestic political consequences

in america. consequences for ukraine were far more serious. what ukraine needed was for trump to support its new untested, and corrupt president on the world stage so he was taken seriously by his neighbors, including russia, and by his fellow citizens. so that he could be the real leader he needed to be, in fending off vladimir putin. instead, donald trump chose to try to leverage the situation for his own political gain. and for president zelenskyy, having that military aid froze, and having the president of the united states tried to shake him down, well that costs zelenskyy in terms of power, it cost him in terms of respect, it cost him in terms of authority against vladimir putin, and who can say what it might end up costing him now that he is in a war. that may come down to a matter of small, degrees here in there. come back then, in 2019, when zelenskyy called trump, there was an opportunity for the american president to stand

behind ukraine. an opportunity to do better. donald trump didn't take it. of course, one of the reasons we even note about that phone call is because of national security official named alexander vindman, he was listening to it live, he knew it was wrong. he knew -- and reported it up his chain of command and testified to the united states congress hearing on the impeachment of donald trump. joining us now is alexander vindman, he was a ukraine expert on the national security council and a witness to president trump's impeachment hearings. it's an honor to have you back with us. in your book, titled here right matters, you detail this specific matter, the fact that you had provided -- you and your cohorts at the white house and the national security council, have provided guidance and advice that president trump was supposed to have red and taken to say, you need to do very little for ukraine right now, the congressional aide had already been approved and was on his way to ukraine. all you need to do is show this

man support so that he can stand up against vladimir putin. donald trump didn't do that. we >> that's right. he attempted to extort an investigation into his chief rival at the 2020 election for, and really and do our own electoral system and our democracy. so he's -- while at the same time undermining this brand new leader, untested leader, that was facing down a war with russia, an ongoing war at the point for five years. and attempting to avert what we see unfolding today. so that kind of support that he needed with regards to arms, with regards to u.s. support, he didn't get it. as a matter of fact, the trump ukraine scandal made ukraine very reactive for the rest of the trump administration, and it had a chilling effect on the biden administration because that with the baggage of all these false as accuse a shuns

against joe biden. so the bottom line is it was very horrible all the way through. there's a direct red line from that episode to really frankly where we are today, because vladimir putin saw a lot of opportunity and the lack of support to ukraine. he saw a lot of opportunity in the fact that ukraine was already reactive and half of our full political elites were banned by being intern for donald trump. and for putin, sorry. >> i ask you this, not to be -- i ask you this not to be political, because as you and i have been talking about for the last week, i'm on the border and i see these ukrainians coming here, in the freezing cold, trying to find a home, escaping terror. i just don't wish to have a political conversation. but in the end, we are seeing the ukrainian resistance, we are seeing the efforts of the resistance. whether this fails or succeeds for ukrainians will come down to a matter of degrees. and one day we may look back and say, had donald trump done

something different, had america done something different at the moment where you wrote the report, you wrote the brief where you said, please, just do this, the end -- the outcome might be different. >> i think that's very true. i think it's clear to me that we are looking to avoid this major confrontation. and trump pushed us in the other direction. we were always -- our policy frankly for two decades was soft on russia, southern russia's abuses against its neighbors and other democracies, towards our security. but if we're soft and inching in that direction, the trump administration looks us in that direction and certainly under minded the security of ukraine and united states because it's so large, the largest country in the world, the largest country in europe, that's the possibility of that -- extremely low. but i actually wanted to make some points on this military situation. this issue with the win mig-29

is absurd. the fact that this is playing out in public is comical. somebody should be able to pick up a phone or fly to poland and resolve this issue and get ukraine planes. yes, they should have been behind closed doors. but it didn't. so we have to deal with the consequences. the consequences should not include ukraine not getting this absolutely essential aircraft. they need them to defend their airspace. against a violent, unprovoked attack. there is a real fear of escalation. they guess that you had on, the former minister of foreign affairs, wrote an interesting and poignant threat on this, that the russians are not suicidal, they are not interested in it. and i also need to tell you that, this is an indication of really, probably a deeper issue with how this war is being managed by the white house and by the pentagon to a certain extent. if this is the stuff that is playing out of public, it is not a good sign about what is

going on behind closed doors. yes, we've managed to get 17,000 missiles over to ukraine, those are the stingers and the anti tank missiles, those are true. but those are things already in the pipeline to some extent. now we are facing new challenges and we are just too slow to respond to this developing situation. ukraine is not going to be defeated. it's a question about how many people are lost. but they have the fortitude and now they have the missiles to defend themselves. they need more in order to avoid catastrophic civilian casualties and that's in the form of jets, that's in the form of unmanned combat vehicles. and i'll tell you these estimates, 95% of russians combat power, its way off the mark. i know that we are now adjusting our minds as to where we are and what's unfolding on the ground, with the expectation that ukraine was supposed to hold. but if you do some back of the envelope math, about 70 combat

vehicles, not talking about support vehicles, that's about 7000 -- over 7000 we [inaudible] by people who -- these things in the public domain, the russians have lost more than 1000 vehicles, that equates more than 5%, we just have been caught up with the reality of how things are unfolding. we have a very delivered process, a lot of this stuff is satellite imagery to assess battle damage assessment. but if you look at the open source community, you see a much more telling development, and it does not look as bad for ukraine, which this is a painful drawn out war, and we can do something to help bring it to an end before it escalates and we are not doing that. >> i appreciate your frankness and your analysis tonight, as always, thank you for being with us. retired lieutenant. tomorrow, i will speak to another witness from trump's

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waiting to get into hungary. it's women, it's children, and it's the elderly men. men with 18 to 60 are required to stay in ukraine. in america, intelligence community gave their latest assessment of vladimir's invasion of ukraine. those officials painted a picture of a russian government that is unsettled. unsettled by the strength of the ukrainian resistance. unsettled by the coordination between western governments and unsettled by the early failures of russia's own military. >> putin has commented privately and publicly over the years that he doesn't believe ukraine's a real country. he's dead wrong about that. real countries fight back. and that's why the ukrainians have done quite heroically over the last 12 days. this military planning and assumptions was premised on a quick decisive victory. and that has not proven to be the case.

>> during today's hearings, the head of u.s. cyber command expressed surprise at the lack of cyberattacks coming from russia so far. the director of national intelligence testified that she expects russia will find it, quote, especially challenging to hold control of territory or to install a pro russian regime in ukraine. but even though things are so far not going as planned for putin, intelligence officials do not believe that the russian leader will give up anytime soon. the cia director, william burns, who is himself a former u.s. ambassador to russia, testified that he believes vladimir putin is angry right now and likely to, quote, doubled down and try to grind down the ukrainian military with no regard for civilian casualties. vladimir putin may be operating with very little regard for russian casualties as well, the head of the defense intelligence agency put a number on the u.s. estimate of russian casualties saying the

u.s. assesses that between 2000 and 4000 russian troops have been killed so far in the fight. that's a lower number than the ukrainians are giving us. but we are not able to confirm either of this numbers. despite russian losses, the u.s. officials also warned but they anticipate will be, quote, an ugly next few weeks. that point was underscore during an question from illinois congressman on the siege of kyiv. >> with regard to kyiv, the russians appeared to be attempting to cut off food and water to the city. how much food and water, or how many days or weeks of food and water, to the people of kyiv have at this point? >> i don't have a specific number four days of supply that the population has, but with supplies being cut off, it will become somewhat desperate in i would say ten days to two weeks. >> wow. >> joining me now is illinois

congressman roger krishnamoorthi, he's the member of the intelligence house committee. thank you for joining us. it is remarkable, we have seen 13 days of this. we have seen 2 million people leave ukraine. the international rescue committee says that the will be upward of 5 million people, and that's without starving out the principal city in ukraine. the city of kyiv, the capital city. what was the most shocking thing you took from that intelligence briefing today? >> well i think that when he said he thinks kyiv could have only about two weeks worth of food and water, that was shocking because it is a very grim situation. in the face of it, the people of kyiv, starting with president zelenskyy on down, have showed such courage and determined resistance against the invading russians.

it is up to us, of course, to make sure that there are corridors open to kyiv so we can supply as much armaments as well as food and other essential items so that they can defend themselves and remain where they are. >> congressman, one of the things that was interesting about the hearing today was that as the colonel said, as bad as things seem through our pictures and our discussion of the refugees, the ukrainians are holding out better than anyone expected, including u.s. intelligence early on expected. things are still looking possible for them. how do you evaluate this? we had people say, look, they are performing better than expected, but they cannot hold out against the russian army. >> i think that it is fair to say that the ukrainians have put up resistance that nobody expected. i think there are over performing all expectations.

at the same time, they need more supplies, they need more intelligence, they need more armaments. i am glad that we have provided one billion dollars worth of armaments just in the last 6 to 7 months. the pace has accelerated to such an extent that there are certain airfields and the eastern part of poland that are diverting cargo flights, because there are so full right now that they are having trouble just keeping up with the shipments. so we have to continue at the space, as long as possible. the ukrainians do have hope of prevailing, maybe sooner than we anticipated, but it is up to us to make sure that they have what it takes to defend themselves. i think that there is nobody more motivated than the ukrainians to defend their own country, and they are showing

that right now. >> congressman, what do you think is going to make more of a difference? the conversation i was having earlier about the lethal aid that ukraine wants, either the no fly zone, or this airplane exchange that seems to have come unglued with poland, or the -- i guess it is more than 12 billion dollar package as we are looking at, but the house is looking at passing? >> i think all of the above. there are other ways as well to provide ukrainians with the ability to defend their skies. aside from planes. i think all options are on the table right now. i think more than anything, we have to keep rationing up those sanctions. i think the president has done a masterful job in assembling an international coalition that is united in that regard. but as you know, today, we kind

of upped the game even more with regards to sanctions, and banning the importation of russian petroleum, and the uk followed suit, soon thereafter. i think that is also going to put the squeeze. that is something that president zelenskyy told us during a zoom call last weekend, to members of congress, that he wants to see happen. i think both shipping those armaments and, those supplies, and increasing the pain of the sanctions i think is an essential 12 punch with regards to helping the re-cranes right now. >> thank you for your time tonight. congressman -- is a member of the house intelligence committee. coming up next, we are going live to kyiv where just after 4:30 in the morning, the city remains under attack with russian forces. i will talk to a woman who is sheltering with her children and parents as their husband defense their country. stay with us.

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refugees have just come in to hungry from ukraine, they're being let into a space which has a shelter. it's warm. they're pods, it's their basically kind of shipping container sort of thing, pre five container. that's where people go in, they get a little bit of warmth, or some food here, i'm gonna show you a little bit more of that later. but this russ has just come in,

it's about 3:40 in the morning here. there's not a lot of movement at this hour, but we have heard from soldiers, hungarian soldiers, that the lineup on the other side, the ukrainian side of the border here, is upwards of ten hours long. 10 to 12 hours long. there are many ukrainian women, children, and the elderly waiting to get into hungary. it is 27, 26 degrees right now. it is winter. i want to tell you about a post that we saw on social media. one post writes, good morning, we're alive. that phrase becomes a daily tradition that i wish we never had. today is a week since we started living in the basement. it feels both like a lifetime and a couple of long days. another post. sam is currently part of the territorial defense groups that are focused on guarding various strategic optics and intersections. he's been out serving since thursday. today, they finally had a chance to go take a shower. yet another post. we are still alive. the screenshot is the air strike alarms. red means we should run and

hide. green means it's okay to reemerge. sometimes it feels like i die and resurrect. several times per day. this was monday's post. there is a siren app on my phone, waking me up from sleep. it's an airstrike alarm. kids, wake up it's a sirens, we grabbed our blankets and waddle into the corridor of the apartment that doesn't have any windows. sit down on the chairs and try to retain the feeble remains of sleep as we wait for the alarm to stop. the last time i change clothes for sleep was 12 days ago since the start of the war. we all sleep fully clothed because you just never know what might happen. the person behind these post izzy goodman, her husband sam is serving in ukraine's civil territorial defense. almost every day for the past two weeks, she's been sharing these posts that give a glimpse of what life in ukraine is like right now. she's currently hunkering down in kyiv with her parents and her two children. zeke him own joins us now from

kyiv where she's been taking cover with her family. miss graham owned, thank you for taking the time to be with us. tell me about -- it sort of hard to believe that you are on a nightly basis, you are in your clothes, your waiting for a notice where you might have to evacuate or hide or go into your closet, what tool is this taking on your children in your parents? not to mention you? >> [inaudible] [inaudible] >> tell me about your children. how are they managing this? >> [inaudible]

[inaudible] [inaudible] >> several -- i'm just gonna try and our audio, we're having a difficult time and i think that's because of the situation that we're in in ukraine with the attacks. there are some infrastructure problems. so we're just gonna try to fix this. i want apollo but just for a moment cause i know you're going through so much and the least you need is a communication problem with me. so we're gonna just try to fix this. zeke is given's as a wife a mother, a daughter, we're gonna see if we can fix that audio and come right back to her. i'm gonna take a second to bring you a rare moment of levity. this is such a terrible crisis but earlier i ran into these three adorable ukrainian children wearing the winter hat that has and why see in place and on it.

the boy is tasha, next to him as his brother tim moore, the little girl's their sister lisa. when they saw our cameras today they just had to say hello. tasha talking to us wanted to know that it is really cold here, it is. it said it's snowing in the spring for some reason. he talked it up to what he said in ukrainian was nature's failure. when we come back on me to show you around this refugee welcome center where pasha, to more, and lisa have landed. and show you have some of ukraine's 2 million refugees are preparing to continue their journeys. that's up next. p next nicorette knows, quitting smoking is freaking hard. you get advice like: try hypnosis... or... quit cold turkey. kidding me?! instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette

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come on back. i'm sorry for the technical difficulties. she has been taking cover with her family. i want to ask, even so many of your posts, you talk about your husband. you are looking at your kids and your parents in your apartment, but your husband like so many men are part of the territorial defense. would you know about how he is

doing right now and what he is doing? >> we keep exchanging messages because, like i mentioned in some of my posts, i have not seen him a whole lot since thursday, last thursday i have seen him four times. he has been stationed at the territorial defense, like the name says, they are assigned to specific territories. for example, in different districts in kyiv, they have their own territorial defense groups. so that is where they have the ships, and they are responsible for guarding the intersection -- the major intersections, major pathways, major strategic objects. while the usual army, the ukrainian army, is doing their thing in attacking, or defending. >> let me ask you, i am sorry

to make you repeat this, our connection was so bad earlier. tell me about your children and how they are faring through this. >> we've told them from the start that it is a war. they are 12, and ten. for me, it was personally very important for them to understand that this is serious, and at times when i have to tell them we have to go hide, or we have to get up in the morning, like, right now, they are actually in the room right next to me -- oops -- they are in the room next to me because there is the airstrike alarm going on in kyiv right now at this very moment. it is critically important for me -- for them to understand that this is serious. they are doing good. it has taken a toll because a lot of their friends have left.

but otherwise we are trying to make it easier on them, because it is quite hard. >> why have you stayed? >> for us, we made the decision as a family that as long as my husband is serving here, we are here. because we did not want to leave without him. for now, we have assessed the risk, how we think it is okay to remain -- it is not a decision for me, and there is no right or wrong answer here. each family has to make their own decision. we have a family made the decision to stay while he was out there working. >> how do you feel? you have been sharing it on social media. you have been telling us about the things --

how do you feel right now? >> now that i am over at my mom 's, it is a bit easier. because i am not the only adult and family to make decisions. one second. so, [inaudible] there is always constant worry about where my husband is going [inaudible] replied to some of my messages [inaudible] so [inaudible]. >> there are a raid sirens going off, alarms going off in kyiv right now. thank you for taking a few

minutes out of such a dangerous time, and a difficult situation that you are in to talk to our viewers, and let us have a glimpse of what a serious situation it is for those of you who have stayed behind in ukraine. a wife, a mother, a daughter, we appreciate you making time to speak with us at such a difficult time. we will be right back. in the kind of work that i do, you are surrounded by people who are all younger than you. i had to get help somewhere along the line to stay competitive. i discovered prevagen. i started taking it and after a period of time, my memory improved. it was a game-changer for me. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.

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announced today that more than two billion people have fled ukraine so far in search of safety from russian attacks. hundreds of thousands of ukrainians are still trying to make their way out of the country as the fighting intensifies. so far, more than 190,000 have crossed the border to where i am in hungary. tonight i'm standing in a refugee shelter, set up at a border crossing point and derek sharon, hungary. it's just before 4 am here, most people are sleeping. but earlier tonight, i was able to walk through a reception area where people who had recently crossed the border, including families were young children, arrived for food, shelter, and warm for the night. take a look. so this is the buffet, basically, where people who are staying, people who have come over from ukraine can get a little bit of food. there is an office in which they run this entire operation at the border out of. it's inside a little tent, you can see some people going in their, they get registered, there are needs are determined. even on the wall of the buffet here you can see train lines,

there are routes that indicate where we are and where you can go in hungary or in europe. now, when the refugees get here there is a waiting room over here. and i don't really want to go away in right now because it's quite late at night and there's some people sleeping in their, but it's a warm space in which people can rest. there are beds, twin beds that are out there. there are some people who are lying across several chairs that have been put together. and then over here are sort of containers that have been made into sleeping spaces. these are places where people can rest, it's clean, it's warm, it's very cold night. it's about 26, 27 degrees right now, probably even colder over the night. so that's why this reception center is. it's a health center, it's a recession center, it's not built for people to be staying here for length of time. but it is meant to receive people who are coming over the hungarian border from ukraine, who then are going to go somewhere else. in some cases it's budapest, in other cases it's other points

in eastern and western europe. but this is typical of the help centers that are available at the crossing from ukraine over into countries, either nato countries like hungary or other eastern european countries that are not nato but are refuge for ukrainians didn't need to get out of the country. this is not a natural disaster. none of this needs to be happening. it's >> the a tragedy whose celtics visiting an purpose is hard to old friend and process. that human charlotte. isaiah beings still cause each thomas getting sent other this kind of to suffering in 2022. paces -- yet another that does it for us tonight. year. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the from i t to j.c., last word with lawrence as in the soon to o'donnell. good evening be former my friend. >> good quarterback, evening ali. and at least, as you reported that's what it looks like right on that refugee now. crisis there, i think of all the people in this the ladies country who are crowned descended from champion people who last week, now it's the men's left where term. we're gonna look at the they came from, huskies left at the point of tournament that starts tomorrow a gun, night. left at the threat of we can see, war it's right here and other on nesn. dangerous this is nelson after because this hours, i am is a universal story that has been with us for a very adam pilar. there is this