tv Katy Tur Reports MSNBC March 9, 2022 11:00am-12:00pm PST
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the fighter jets poland is ready to hand over to ukraine. stay with us for that because we will go there live. also, there's some news on the effort to evacuate civilians. russia and ukraine have agreed to cease-fires and humanitarian corridors in six areas today, including mariupol and towns surrounding kyiv, but previous cease-fires have been broken so there are no guarantees. we will speak to the mayor of mariupol about that, and he says his town has had no water or heat for several days and so many have died from the fighting alone they had to dig a mass grave. the russians are indiscriminately targeting, not just civilians but the most vulnerable as well. this is video from a maternity ward and children's hospital in mariupol.
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it was directly targeted by russian missiles with patients and families still inside. this video right here is of patients and families emerging and a soldier wrapping this woman's head wound and another pregnant woman on a stretcher. it's unclear if everybody made it out. at the same time, doctors in kyiv are trying to save the lives of others who have been caught in putin's war. richard engel is there. >> a fracture -- the bullet shattered her bone? >> yes. >> this patient was in the building during bombing. he stayed in the destroyed building today and he had heart trauma and a syndrome --
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>> two days he survived under the destroyed building? >> yes. >> how are you and the medical community handling this war? they are bombing where people live and villages? >> well, it's duty, and we have to because we are doctors. this is me. i have to drop my fellowship, my study and i return here on the 28th of february so we have to because who else? >> meanwhile, ukrainian resistance is holding firm in the capital, approaching kyiv by car means navigating checkpoints and block aids put up to keep russian soldiers out. in the city there are foot patrols and manned stations on guard as well as anti-tank barriers to prevent a ground
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invasion, and residents are staying put in makeshift shelters underground inside the metro stations. matt bradley is out of lviv crane, and nbc news correspondent, courtney kube. are they holding? >> reporter: we don't know, katy. so far we don't have solid word on whether or not there were a lot of people able to get out. the only successful one so far was yesterday in the northern town of sumi, and there's new
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humanitarian corridors today, and we don't have word on whether they were able to get out. in the meantime, there's the continued shelling. that's not the only thing the civilians are facing, especially in a town like mariupol, which is being battered, we are seeing a lack of electricity and heat in the intensely told weather, and a lack of running water because the water mains have been destroyed. we just saw that children's maternity ward that was bombed today that injured as many as 17 people. again, this is a humanitarian catastrophe that is getting increasingly dire and the cease-fires, they are shrouded in cynicism, and the russians are blaming the ukrainians for
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breaking the cease-fires. the problem is the negotiations for these cease-fires are not being done in good faith either because they have been so unsuccessful time and time again. another problem, the humanitarian corridors are necessary not just for people getting out but for getting humanitarian aid in, and without the humanitarian corridors, you don't get food or water into the cities for those who are going to be remaining. a lot of the elderly people that need medicine, this is an increasing problem and we could see deaths from collateral damage, people who are killed by starvation and lack of water or medical needs going unmet, katy. >> we will talk to the deputy mayor of mariupol in a moment about just that. the stories coming out of there are terrible, no heat or running water and people dying of dehydration. let's talk about the news that broke yesterday during this hour, josh.
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poland said we are ready to hand over our soviet-era jets to ukraine, and instead of handing them over, we would send them to the air base in germany for the americans to hand over. what is going on with this? what has the united states government said about our ability to get that sort of stuff, those jets, to ukraine? >> well, there are a couple reasons that the u.s. really nixed that idea from the polish, katy. the russians could shoot down planes being piloted by americans if they brought them in, and the other concern from the u.s. government is the possibility that president putin would perceive it as direct u.s. involvement in the conflict if the u.s. were to be taking control of the aircraft and facilitating their transfer to ukraine. we have heard over and over again from president biden on down that the u.s. is not going
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to fight in ukraine, it's not going to impose a no fly zone over ukraine and cannot afford to get the u.s. get dragged into a direct confrontation with the russian military, and that's why antony blinken had this to say a few moments ago. >> we have to work through the specifics of these things going forward. it's not simply clear to us that there's a substantive rational for doing it in the way that was put forward yesterday. what we're doing right now is continuing to consult closely with poland, with other nato allies on this, and the logistical challenges that it presents. >> later this evening vice president kamala harris will be arriving here in poland, katy, for several days of meetings with polish officials, and this
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issue is expected to hang over her visit here. moments ago we heard from press secretary, jen psaki, saying this is going to take place through military channels, but there's a diplomatic mess here as many seem to be on different pages as of yesterday and it will fall on vice president harris to make clear when she is here that the u.s. is firmly in lockstep with its nato ally, poland. >> i want to start with what we are seeing out of the city of mariupol, the shelling of that children's hospital and maternity ward. i am trying to think of any reason at all why you would target a hospital, a maternity ward and a children's hospital? i can't think of one other than just abject cruelty. i wonder what we are seeing with
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the breaking of the cease-fires and the targeting civilians as they are trying to escape, is there any talk of whether russia might be trying to drag the u.s. in by making this just so incredibly atrocious that the west, the u.s. nato can't stand by and watch? >> actually on the temporary. most u.s. officials i speak with think putin does not want nato and the west to get involved and it wants it to continue to be a conflict with ukraine. the reality is, the very sad and horrifying reality of what we are watching on the ground in ukraine, there's more and more of the indiscriminate shelling and attacks on civilian centers and it started a day or two after this larger campaign began now two weeks old. mariupol is just one of the places we are seeing tremendous targeting of civilians in kharkiv up in the east. that has been the place of
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unbelievable bombardment of russians for 12 days now. mariupol, as you mentioned, katy, has been cut off from much of the water and power and communications. the city has been completely encircled for about 48 hours now, and the russians are pounding with artillery, missile strikes and the ultimate goal of taking that city. mariupol, it's a strategic port city. it's an area that russia is looking at creating this land bridge along the coastline there, the sea, the black sea, and the u.s. assessment is that vladimir putin is trying to create a land bridge that would go through mariupol, and along the entire coastline all the way to odesa. there's a real concern that the next place that we are going to see a siege like this is odesa, which is down along the northern black sea. there's a concern among u.s. officials that not only would russia and vladimir putin target
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that area from the ground forces he has there, but we may see an amphibious assault, and a strategic and important port city. the officials who i am speaking with still believe that vladimir putin does not want the west to get involved in the fight here. >> let me ask you another quick question, and i want to get to the deputy mayor of mariupol, but quickly, why would sending old soviet jets cross the line when sending anti-tank missiles and stinger weaponry, why is that not crossing the line? >> it's not crossing the line. in fact, the united states has said they would support if poland wanted to directly send these aircraft to the ukrainians, what changed the calculous yesterday was the surprise polish announcement saying they would transfer the pheugs to the united states in
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germany, and that was never on the table in the discussions, and it underscores the logistical hurdle and the danger in transferring the planes, and it's the danger of sending them in and it's not because the russians have air superiority over poland, because they don't, and flying in an aircraft like a mig aircraft is a very dangerous mission, and that's where the resistance is coming from, and it's not about providing these to the ukrainians from a u.s. perspective as it is getting them to them. >> courtney kube, thank you so much. josh, and matt bradley as well. we appreciate it. mariupol as we have talked about is surrounded by russian troops, and there's no heat and no
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running water. we are told people have been collecting snow or stream water to survive, but people are still dying. and the conditions there are apocalyptic. the deputy mayor said 1,200 in the city have died from shelling or artillery alone and the actual death toll is probably much, much higher. he joins me now. deputy mayor of mariupol, sergei olaf. tell me what it's like inside your city and what you need right now. >> hello. inside our city we have an awful picture of the city that 14 days before was a peaceful city and now it looks like destroyed territory and hour-by-hour and minute by minute is flattened by russian bombing and russian
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artillery. they are destroying all the infrastructure that we have. you are sure for eight days without any water, the heating system, and the temperature outside is below zero but people are in bad shape because of the snow, and they have the ability to collect snow and find wood and prepare food on fire. this is combined altogether with continuous bombing. we cannot imagine how it's possible in 21st century to kill citizens, and i can't realize from the base. >> we are showing the children's hospital and maternity ward in your city, and the people emerging from there, the mother and kids and a pregnant woman on
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a stretcher. we are also hearing from you that there are babies and infants that don't have food because the mothers can no longer produce milk. >> that's absolutely true. today we had an awful bomb with bombs from the russian aircraft in the center of the city. it is territory like that where we have here the children's hospital, the maternity hospital and they destroy everything. they destroy children in the hospital and make as much damage to maternity hospital. i cannot realize why it's necessary for russian troops to destroy hospitals. the hospital, they destroy in the city for five days. >> what about the humanitarian corridor that we have been reporting on? does one exist to get out of mariupol right you in? >> today is our first day and
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attempt to establish a corridor, and they need cease-fire in mariupol and a safety route, so we are absolutely ready so we prepare with the help of international, we prepare humanitarian trucks and we prepare buses. we are trying to get from one place to mariupol, and it's impossible because of the shelling and bombs and artillery -- with the artillery of our city. so it was impossible today, and today we also had some cases when private cars, citizens in private cars were going to leave a city, and so they go through
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ukrainian troops but will stop at a russian checkpoint and they start to shell, not directly to the car but around the car, and they push our citizens back, and it's impossible to get out to make humanitarian ways for mariupol. >> it's not happening, and for the fifth day, as you said. i want to ask you about a story that president zelenskyy relayed, and it was about a 6-year-old girl that died of dehydration. what's going on? >> it's true. it's true because of the bomb that was -- she was blocked, and it's an awful story that i cannot tell. she was blocked in the building, and she's dead because of the hydration and no access to water. she was blocked there. >> what are people -- it's
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awful. what are people doing to get water right now? i know you are talking about drinking snow. i guess that's one benefit of it being so cold, at least there's snow. is there any other way to keep people alive? >> difficult question. so the city council we produce our best to provide our citizens with the water, so we have some opportunities to give water tents to several points and we still have a supply of natural water in our city but it's not enough for all the citizens, because in our estimation 400,000 citizens still live in mariupol, and they have babies and infants, so it's a difficult question. we don't know how to solve it in general without central water
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supply. we calculate that the victims of this war, we had yesterday numbers from the police officers, so at the moment we have 1,207 killed on the streets by bombing and russian shelling. this is not the numbers. we think it's three or four times more. it's awful numbers, and we don't know how it could happen after 14 days of war, and it's civilian people killed on the street. >> yeah, we heard about a mass grave you had to dig there because there were too many bodies and no ability to hold private ceremonies. it's 2022. >> yeah, through yesterday we should do that, and to put to mass grave for 47 person because it's not possible to make, like,
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private graves. >> that's horrible. deputy mayor, thank you so much for joining us today. we do hope that those humanitarian corridors can hold so that you and your citizens can get the food and the basic necessities, water, that they need. thank you for being with us. >> hope and pray. thank you. still ahead, escaping as bombs keep on falling. also ahead, as the situation gets even more desperate, so do the pleas for a no fly zone. is there any way to do it without starting world war iii? first, congress banned russian oil and now wants to go further. that's next. that's next.
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banned russian oil. today congress is trying to take it a step further with bipartisan legislation to ban russian energy imports along with russia's trade status, and it extends a civil rights law that would open the door for more sanctions. joining me is jolene kent, and punchbowl news pounder, jake sherman. what is the start of all the ice hikes? >> moscow is accusing the u.s. of conducting economic war. the people on the ground, drivers across los angeles and across the country, they are feeling new highs in terms of regular gas. $4.25 is the new national average per aaa.
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and so many drivers said this first, they express their sadness and outrage at the war in ukraine, and they say they are willing to pay more if it means more safe outcomes for ukrainians. >> i don't drive as much anymore to my job, and where i work is really far. i tend to work from home now and i have a lot of friends that live in the area, but it has been affecting my lifestyle a little bit as far as where i can go and what i can do. >> i just filled this thing up here and it was around $200, which it was not that two weeks ago. >> aside from paying a couple more bucks at the pump, more sympathetic for them than myself. i don't mind paying some dollars here and there. >> reporter: overall looking ahead, prices are expected to
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continue to rise. the small bit of good news that we are seeing in terms of the global markets today is crude is trading down by -- the last time i checked by about 12%. there may be a little relief on the horizon. when you talk to the experts at aaa and gas buddy, their anticipation is that the prices will continue to rise and biden has warned drivers about that, and they are expected to go up 50 cents by memorial day by the gallon. not a lot of relief coming for the drivers in the u.s., but there's a prevailing sense of understanding of why this is happening. you are seeing that reflected in national polling data as well. >> it's remarkable the empathy, especially with the $7 per gallon like that behind you.
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congress is trying to take the ban on oil further. what is going on? >> at the moment congress has been frozen and has been about five hours over an impasse in covid relief money. the leadership is trying to offset some of the money by clawing back unspent and expired covid relief money. this is holding up the entire russia aid package. it's a massive fight between democrats and republicans having nothing to do with this. the house is going to move to ban russian oil and urge the biden administration -- they are quite frankly not going as far as they planned to. >> the aid package was in the trillions. that's being held up because of
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fighting over a covid bill? >> that's right. they are fighting over the offsets. republicans demanded offsets for the covid relief bill, and the democrats ended not liking them. this is the problem, katy. the house democratic leadership put out a $1.5 trillion bill, 2,700 pages at 1:00 this morning and tried to pass it at 10:00 this morning, and they were unable to. quite frankly, that's where we stand right now on the entire process with the government running out of money on friday has been frozen. >> oh, boy. sounds like status quo there over there on capitol hill. >> it does. >> thank you for joining us. good luck with the gas prices. coming up, inside a ukrainian city under siege, residents have one way out only. and then nato in the u.s. turned down widespread calls for no fly zones. our next guest, one of the 27 foreign policy experts is saying
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in our case, american service members in ukraine, on ukrainian territory or soil or american pilots into ukrainian airspace whether on a full or on a limited basis would almost certainly lead to direct conflict between the united states, between nato and russia. that would expand the conflict. it would prolong it and make it much more deadlier than it already is, and that would be neither in the interest of our countries nor in the interest of ukraine. >> secretary of state, antony blinken, reiterated the u.s. opposition to a no fly zone over ukraine in a news conference with his western counterpart. 27 foreign policy experts say there's a way to do it. joining me now is one of the experts that signed a letter calling for a limited no fly zone, former u.s. ambassador to
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ukraine from 2003 to 2006, john hurpz. he served at the state department for 31 years and has received the presidential distinguished service award. ambassador, thank you for being with us. i want to ask you about the no fly zone, and we were told calling it a no-fly zone is wrong, and it would be declaring war against russia because we would come into conflict with russia inevitably. tell me your response to that? >> well, i partly agree with what michael said, and calling it a no fly zone is not an accurate description, and a no fly zone under military doctrine would mean we would have to attack russian forces.
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the limited idea, the humanitarian corridor with air cover is less belligerent, and it would say humanitarian convoys will precede without being attacked, and people trying to leave embattled areas will not be attacked, and we will use our air forces to enforce that. >> how do you get russia to agree to that? how do you trust russia? there have been many attempts at a cease-fire and many attempts at humanitarian corridors, and russia is breaking those cease-fires, and that's why so many people in mariupol can't get out now. i just spoke to the deputy mayor about that. how do you trust russia? >> that's right, you don't trust russia, and if you trusted them they would let people leave
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mariupol and kharkiv. and not doing this, so far moscow has not gone to the massive civilian bombarding, and to not establish a humanitarian corridor would be much more deadly. i think that this issue is not decided. right now the u.s. government and nato and the brits have said no. if moscow starts to massively bombard ukraine, and tens of thousands of ukrainians die, there will be an outrage of unrest that will call to take such a measure. >> there were roughly 40 million people in that country before the war started and we have a count of over 2 million people that now have fled from that country and 1 million of them
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are children. you believe, though, if we start seeing even worse than what we are seeing now, children hospitals, maternity wards bombed, and the indiscriminate shelling of neighborhoods, you believe if it gets worse and it's already so hard to watch, the west nato and the united states will have no choice but to try something like this, to be involved in some way? >> to reconsider this option, absolutely. look, a week ago the biden administration said no to cutting off oil supplies from russia and then changed their mind and in part because of public pressure and public pressure will certainly grow, and those that said it would lead to a fight with russia, and russia do, they really want to khag challenge nato? i don't think so. putin gets away with a lot of threats, and we are a superpower too and we have a far superior
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conventional military as putin, and people in the west that love liberty understand that. >> thank you so much for being here. i know there are a lot of people out there trying to think of something more we can do because these images are terrible. i don't think anybody wants to see anymore suffering than we have already seen. thank you so much for being with us today. we appreciate it. still ahead, accusations that russia is targeting evacuation routes as civilians try to flee the violence. we have been talking about that all day. and the orchestra puts on an impromptu concert in independence square. riders! let your queries be known. yeah, hi. instead of letting passengers wrap their arms around us, could we put little handles
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ukrainian town of izium continue to flee by foot. this evacuation has been going on for days now out of irpin. we have more on the only way into and out of irpin. >> it is the only way out of irpin, and those still fleeing are the most vulnerable, the elderly and the very young. they are having to pick their way across. those unable to get over themselves, have to be carried so they don't slip. the man in red is offering comfort to the man, as he trusts
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strangers taking a risk themselves. there are dozens of people like this man having to be held and taken over a really precarious rickety bridge, and do it slowly because you can't have too many people on that bridge at one time and they have to do it quickly before the firing starts again. some of these people already walked 70 kilometers, carrying on their backs the loved ones they could not leave behind. this is no agreed safe corridor. these people know the route has been attacked multiple times already, so they race out as quickly as they could. crying babies helped by volunteers. come on, mom, he's calling. many have been shot at or survived shelling. smile, her partner says.
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he wants her to be brave in front of our cameras. the courage of these people, and these the most riskiest of circumstances, quite astonishing. the pulling together of them all an absolute inspiration to witness. >> we have shoots everywhere. we don't see anything but we up all night -- yes, yes. we know some streets kills people. me, my house, kills woman yesterday. >> the russian soldiers are close, we're told. only 100 meters down the road and the urgency to get people out steps up a beat. >> the city street -- >> they are in there, the
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russians? >> yeah. >> take care. >> two civilian, one woman and one children and one armed force. >> were all buried? >> yes, in the park in the square where two weeks ago children was -- >> were playing? >> ukrainian soldiers pushing into irpin trying to hold back the russian troops. they have to. about one-third of the town is under the control of the russians putting them right on the western doorstep of the capital. the ukrainians say they bombed the bridge, which used to be the main route into kyiv, and the russians only have to cross this to easily get within striking distance of the capital. those running away from this slow but relentless military advance told us they have been under siege for days and surrounded by explosions until they could last no longer.
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>> no water, we cannot live in the houses right now. >> the road is littered by items they thought once was essentia. they made sure the cat made it, too, and also insisted the world needs to help them now. >> what should they do about this? >> should do -- they should close -- >> the sky. >> they should close the sky and maybe we can fight this. >> while the russians are still advancing, they take any window to get people out any way they can. they have somehow survived the most atrocious conditions in a town under attack and under siege. but it's by no means over. from somewhere they find the reserves to push through this
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more than 2 million refugees have fled russia's war on ukraine, a million of them are children. so many have gone to poland, passing through the western ukrainian town of lviv. that's where we find nbc's cal perry with a look at what you take with you when you have to run. >> reporter: it begins with the obvious, roller bags and suitcases, backpacks and grocery bags. and pets. so many pets. the city of lviv is becoming a story of what people carried. a city of 700,000 has now become a city of close to a million. but in this small theater, now a makeshift shelter, two families share with us what they brought with them.
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>> so it wasn't safe to stay there. >> reporter: with only 30 minutes to pack and the russian army literally closing in on the outskirts of kyiv, tamila took only the essentials. >> clothes for my children, maybe some food, like bread or some cookie and some water for children. that's all. >> reporter: essential to every parent, cell phones. cell phones are everywhere, to distract, to communicate, to speak to loved ones left behind on the front lines. >> send message, i love you and i -- i know we will be together soon. >> reporter: newly minted reporter 9-year-old eve helps me interview her 6-year-old brother maran. for them, fleeing meant securing their stuffed animals.
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matt quickly arrives on the scene and presents hank. he's had it since he was born, it is his bed buddy every night. little emma then announces her presence, her sister relays the sad news. she was getting dressed too slowly, so she didn't have time to pack her toys, we're told. dad, yafan, brought a back of what he thought was vital, paper work and clothes, five children, wife, sister and his mother. as many clothes as can be stuffed into the bag seems to be the overwhelming and consistent necessity of parents everywhere across this war. though every parent can relate to this, room for a child's drawing. the heaviest things, the emotional baggage comes no matter what is physically carried. uncle nicolae tells us it is fear, it's stress, and uncertainty that he carries. but he finishes with hope. a hope that he says one day they'll all be able to return
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home. >> let's finish with something else, a little bit of beauty. in kyiv today, with the russians trying to advance into that city, the musicians of kyiv's classic symphony orchestra decided to play. 20 members gathered in kyiv's independent square to sound ukraine's national anthem and beethoven's ode to joy. their conductor called the concert a call for peace. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ >> our thanks to richard engel and his team for getting us that
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