good night. thanks for staying up late with, me i'll see you at the end of tomorrow. tomorrow hello everybody, it is 7:00, -- sky news, two weeks since president putin invaded ukraine, and the war has seemed possibly its most significant atrocity yet, a maternity hospital, embalmed by russian forces. president zelenskyy reiterated his call for more in the country -- and labours and miliband, it's

thursday the 10th of march. i beyond atrocity, ukraine's president said children are buried under the rubble of a hospital burned in mariupol. as he calls for a no-fly zone over the country. he tells sky news the world must act now before it's too late and stop the bombing. >> you will see, they will close this guy, but we will lose amounts of people. >> the ukrainian government says that more than 1000 people have been killed in mariupol, since russia's invasion began. there were more airstrikes overnight, local officials say two more hospitals hit, 90 miles west of kyiv.

and this is the scene live in antalya, turkey, during a high-level -- russian counterpart this morning. also ahead on the program for you. we will speak to the exiled belarusian opposition leader, who says a belarus's military is under crumbling control. and we will speak to that animal rescue charity in ukraine, which is also helping to deliver supplies to hospitals. hello everybody, ukraine's president has told sky news that millions of people could die if the world does not stop the bombing of his country. in an exclusive interview for british television, he accused western countries have been indecisive. but britain and the united states has consistently

rejected their plea for a no-fly zone. these are the latest developments, the uk's ministry of defense said there's been a notable decrease in russian military activity in the recent days, due to the unexpected effectiveness of ukraine's defense. three hospitals have been hit by russian airstrikes, to overnight, and one yesterday on a maternity hospital in mariupol. russia has dismissed the attack is fake news. ukraine says 35,000 civilians have fled through humanitarian corridors so far, many in the city of sumy, in the east. more evacuations are expected today. and as talks between ukrainian and russian foreign ministers are expected to take place today, the russian foreign minister said ukraine alone cannot end the war. >> they want us to feel like animals, because they blocked our cities. but the cities in ukraine, they

are blocked, because they don't want our people to get food and water. today, for example, i don't know if you know, the child in mariupol was dead. that is the idea of these operations, that putin is talking about, the idea is to deal with ukraine's animals. >> how do you stop it? are you prepared to do a deal. we've said you're happy to talk. >> we can't stop alone, all this. >> how is it going to be? stopped >> only if the world will unites around ukraine. >> we are united around ukraine. >> it's still very slowly. you can feel it only when you are here. because the people from europe

or the u.s., it's far from the ukraine, tired from the heart of this tragedy. can understand the details, because you're not fighting here. i understand why. i don't want them to fight with them, but these countries can help and unite, i'm sorry i'm speaking again and again about this problem. but we spoke about children's hospitals, etc, and you know a number of these child deaths -- so we are are speaking about closing the sky. you can't decide to close or not to close. you can't decide. if you are united against this terror, then you have to close. don't for me asking you, several times, 1 million times,

close the skies. no, you have to phone us, to our people who lost their children and say, sorry we didn't do it yesterday. one week ago. we didn't push putin, we didn't speak with him a lot, we didn't find a dialogue with him. we did nothing, and it's true. yesterday the world did nothing. i'm sorry, but it's true. >> boris johnson, the british prime minister, as a number of world leaders, said if they do that, if they close this guy, that could exacerbate and make the situation even worse. if they allow poland to provide you jets, and station in a nato land, i will make it worse. >> it doesn't mean? for whom? the first question is rhetoric, and we don't need rhetorical questions and answers.

we have to have contradicting things. it will be worse for whom? for our families? for whom? for them now. who knows? nobody knows. we will know exactly the now is very bad. and in the future, it will be too late, and believe me, if it goes on this way. you will see, there will close this guy. but we will lose millions of people. >> more from alex shortly, but shortage of new airstrikes has emerged overnight. local officials say two hospitals -- that's 90 miles west of kyiv. a russian aircraft was filmed flying overhead, shortly before

the explosion. the city's mayor says windows were blown out of the buildings, but no one was injured. >> this is the armed forces minister james he'd be, james, thanks for -- how are we going to deal with this monster who bombs mothers and babies. >> well, there is a simple answer to that, which is that he needs to stop. for all of the debate that we have over what the rest should or shouldn't do, one man decides to fly his planes to job balms. one man decides to launch missiles indiscriminately, in an area, we've seen, in a hospital in which women are giving birth. he needs to stop. >> could it have been an accident? russia, this morning, saying that it's fake news. >> look, if it was an accident, and i'm not sure that it

would've been, then they should be asking themselves some very curious questions about their tactics, because the fact is they're launching artillery and missiles into urban ire areas, where they know targeting is challenging. they're using weapons systems that are not precision. that is a policy choice that they've made, and the west is watching, and russian commanders need to remember that war crimes are not just committed by those at the very top of the russian government, they are committed all the way down the chain of command, by all who are involved. these atrocities are being watched, and people are going to be held to account. >> those britain want this very latest incident in mariupol to be a vest to get it as a war crime? >> absolutely. what you see on your tv screens, is a war crime. now clearly, there is evidence to be gathered to prove it is a war crime. and western countries are

working together to make sure that that evidence we've gathered, in the best way, so the people can be held to account. let's be clear, what putin is doing, is not a war waged between two militaries. right now, he has besieged a number of ukrainian cities. he's waged a war against ukrainian citizens. >> i won't point will be right of the uk and other nation countries to intervene to prevent future war crimes. >> this isn't be known as nato, but lots of countries have, effectively, made a contribution to allow ukraine to defend themselves better. and with some success. in the first wave of military aid, the international communities said -- anti-tank weapons, we've now since 2615 of those, there's more to come. and they have been, i've seen in your footage, the russian armor columns have been devastatingly effective. other parts of the committee sense things called stinger

missiles, they're kind of entry level anti-aircraft missiles, but they've been very successful. the ukrainian government claims -- have been shot down. and so successful have those stingers been, that they forced the russians to fly their combat missions at night. we can't verify the footage you showed earlier on, that was a nighttime mission to the next step, it's to provide the ukrainians with an anti aircraft capability that works and ice. as the defense secretary addressed the house of commons yesterday, we're looking at the high velocity missile, which will be able to achieve that. we're just looking at the practicality and feasibility of how we deploy that the ukrainians. >> rest assured, minister, we only show footage on this trial that has been into independently verified.

thank you. we know that the ukrainians and the russians are meeting in turkey, to try to come up with some sort of deal. isn't now that the time for compromise? is it time for us to speak to our ukrainian colleagues, and urge them to come to some sort of compromise with russia? >> what compromise would you suggest is acceptable? four weeks ago, ukraine was a sovereign country, living peacefully, without threatening its neighbors with its own borders. i don't know that the international community should be turning around to president zelenskyy and saying, it's time to reward putin with, having believed him out of the donbas, and right off the crime area. if president zelenskyy were to do that as the sovereign leader of ukraine, as a decision for him. i think he's made clear that

he's unwilling to accept that, i don't think the international community should be willing to trade away ukrainian sovereignty. >> military personnel are going to pull in to help with visa applications. how many are going to call a? >> well the excuse me, can you ask me your question again. >> i can, hundred military personnel are going to poland, how many are going to call a? >> we're not sending anything to calculate at the moment, having had a conversation with the home office. excuse me we've still got the gallery coming through quite loudly. can you hear me okay? >> i'm sorry about the technical issues, is it fixed now. >> so we're not sending any to calais, i was with the immigration ministry yesterday, i think they're feeling is that the visa application centers in northern france are centers

that they can reinforce. but they have asked us to do is to supply man power into poland, which is the busiest of these application centers by some margin. and so we're just in the process of making that happen, and we will help out in any way we can. there's effectively two sides to what can be done to bring refugees here more quickly. there's a policy choice around the checks, that we go through, but equally, you can increase the capacity of the pipelines process, to get more people more quickly. -- we will need to help them with that, they accepted not offer, we will supply as many people as they need in order to be able to get the highest number of people posting the quickest time possible, and the home secretary has got some choices, which i know she was considering around how to

change the visa process, and what checks might be necessary in it. >> these >> because i have been looking at these application process, and for the benefit of our viewers, people need to create an account, i applaud proof of qualifying family in britain, upload proof of ukraine residency before the 1st of january, provide evidence that they are related to family in britain, chansley their documents into english, book and attended an appointment at a center in poland, hungary, romania, mild, over or frantic biometrics. they need a tb vaccination. and they are -- fleeing from moore's. surely we need to do something about that. >> well, and i think the hopes of -- very much keeping it is a hard job to be a secretary, you have to balance on the one hand -- >> -- to be fair >> and i accept that people will look at these and say, look there is an immediate

imperative to waive all the stuff and do it. i know that she is looking very carefully out what's bits of policy could reasonably be changed in order to do that. as i said, there is another way of increasing the speed at which this is done. that is the bit that we are involved in. we will make sure through working with our colleagues at uk immigration and -- ministers that we are providing staffing to these applications centers around the border of ukraine so that they have high capacity, and are able to deal with applications more quickly. which i think and respect to what policy changes may or may not come, that will make things much better for those who believe in ukraine and come to the united kingdom. >> what will happen to military personnel who have deserted their post to fight in ukraine? >> they will be in a lot of awful trouble. >> what does that mean?

>> the army has put out a statement overnight to say this, it is illegal for a british service person to, first of all go absent without leave in the first place. but to fight in a foreign war, is simply unacceptable. and frankly, it risks the united kingdom of being in wrongly claimed by russia to -- service people who might think that they are doing the right thing should or collect that it is 100 percent not the correct thing to be doing. and it's just a small number of soldiers who have gone a wall, apparently, to fight against ukraine. i know -- because i'm stood in the room and you accept the unlimited liability and service of your country to stand up for what is right in the world, but there

is something deep inside you as a soldier that makes you see images like the ones you are showing and make you want to go fight to put things right, but no good comes from british service people or veterans going to ukraine's. the ukrainians have huge amounts of man power, the ukrainian nation has rallied to take up arms, the role that the west is playing is to provide them with the best weaponry that we can so that they can achieve their aims. we are supporting in every way we can, this is not the time for people to be going there and one fortunately, as they have made clear once you cross the border with the expectation to fight, you are in it for good. so people who think they can go there for a couple weeks, take some selfies, get some instagram shots and come home. that is not the way the ukrainians -- to fight for them. british people should not be

doing it. it's >> okay, minister, we must let you go. thank you for taking the time to join us. sorry about the technical issues earlier. >> no problem at all. thank you. >> all the bombing of the mariupol hospitals featured on many front pages of newspapers this morning. putin bomb soldiers hospital is the headline for the i-newspaper. -- the mayor says, simply barbaric. while the mail calls it barbaric and depraved. president putin needs to be held to account. well, we saw the report from alex didn't we, she joins us now live from kyiv. a british exclusive interview with ukrainian president, hi, alex, talk to me about how he was. how he seemed. a man who is under a lot of pressure trying every day to fight for his own citizens? >> well, he is doing an

incredible energy job if you'd like. i thought he was filled with energy despite everything, you certainly looked a bit tired, that wouldn't be surprising if he was. he also sounded tired, his voice was very gravelly. he is in the twilight zone because everything is very dimly lit, they have a really big security issue there. he is probably the most wanted man on the russian hit list right now. so everything was very difficult in terms of, we have to get him in a secure way, we are not allowed to film anything, they didn't want us to give away any positions even within the president's office. so they are very very caught on that. they didn't want to stay in one place for very long. after our interview he was immediately hoisted away. he was angry, angry and frustrated at the rest of the world's reactions. he keeps on calling on the rest of the world to unite. >> when i said they are uniting

aren't they? in terms of sanctions president putin has seen that as a declaration of economic war if you'd like against russia. he said he was very clear, and this is a man who feels that english is not that good. he had to really pressed into talking english. and he was so determined and so driven to get his message across to the english speaking world that he pressed on an english. he said, no, they are taking too long. we can't wait for multiple governments to take decisions, and multiple world leaders to decide it's the right thing. i mentioned sometime ago, to a number of world leaders who he would not name, about how -- nord stream 2 and they didn't until everything started happening. you mentioned the casualties and civilian targets, and they did not take action. so he very much seemed to me, to be saying, blood was on the hands of a number of world leaders for not taking action much sooner.

every day, every hour that goes by, ukrainians, and ukrainian soldiers are being hurt and killed. mariupol had just happened as we went to interview him. i managed to capture him on the way out, to press him on what he thought should have been to those who are targeting hospitals and civilians, particularly in this maternity hospital. here's what he had to say. >> all of them will be in prison. that is it. i don't want to see how -- people got their legs, or hands, we are people, we are normal people. they have to be in prison, and stop bombing. that is it. >> she is she's making very much clear that he wants to see -- prosecuted for what he considers to be war crimes. >> okay, alex, thanks very much for the fascinating interview with the president yesterday. thank you for securing that for

us. speech in the next hour. and -- speaking to the prime minister this evening on sky news on -- interviews tonight at 9 pm. watch out for that. it is a new program that starts this evening. much looking forward to that. still to come on the program before we go, we will be talking to -- ukraine and the impact on fuel prices as -- planned for energy security. a lawyer working to provide aid to the ukrainian refugees says they struggle to bypass uk visa requirements. and the uk's former -- nato will join us to discuss the russian invasion of ukraine, and the role of the west in the conflict. and looking closer developments for you now in a little bit more detail, here we go ukraine says 35,000 people have so far been evacuated along state route from towns and cities.

the -- said evacuees are leaving this morning after another cease-fire was agreed. several hundred people fled -- on the outskirts of kyiv making the journey along the makeshift wooden bridge. 17 people were injured in an attack on a maternity hospital in mariupol. casualties in the city are being buried in mass grave, because morgues are full. another two hospitals were hit in -- 90 miles west of kyiv. the city's mayor says nobody was injured. in the second city of kharkiv, at least four people were killed, and 50 wounded when a police headquarters was destroyed. and the un's nuclear -- lost contact with monitoring systems at the chernobyl and what zaporizhzhia power plants, both under russian control.

goodness, not sure about my pronunciations on some of those. forgive me this morning if you would. many ukrainians living abroad have been returning home to help with awards efforts against russia. nick martin has been with some of those making the, journey and joins us now from lviv in western ukraine. i, nick good morning to you, tell us more. well, good morning, kate, millions of people have been fleeing ukraine into neighboring countries 1 million so far fled into poland and usually those leaving ukraine have been full of people trying to get out and have been getting onto trains into ukraine. we spent time on those trains, it was interesting to hear from people the reasons why. one woman who i spoke to was a teacher, and a painter, she was heading to odessa which of course is in the sides of vladimir putin. she says she's not scared of putin, let's get to russia, or

anyone else. we also spoke to a mother who is being cut off from her husband and six year old boy who are evacuated where we are in lviv. she wanted to try to get to them, but it is too dangerous though she is crossing the border anyway to try and help with that war effort. of course, more broadly the, russian military continue to intensify see just over he equine instead he's of course, we saw that horrendous attack on the children's hospital, the maternity hospitals in the port city of mariupol. people have reported the ground shaking and frankly being trapped under the middle of the -- barbaric and today the world health organization confirmed that it appears the russian military have targeted more or less 18 medical facilities. the russian military, russian government say they are only trying to crush more ukrainian military, but as day by day goes on it is hard to see how that can be the case, with more

and more it appears civilian targets, civilians being targeted. the russian invasion of course continues and the amount of people who are fleeing continue. you were reporting around 2 million are said to leave this country, but of course it will be many many more than that. >> okay, thanks, thanks a lot. well the ukrainian and russian foreign ministers are meeting in -- turkey today. the high level talks between the two nations since the invasion began. our international affairs editor joins us now from where the meeting is taking place. hi, dominic, good morning, -- >>, well they can hopefully make some progress for -- gay lavrov and build on that. they say they don't have high hopes for the diplomatic

process, but the last few days where russian and even less encouraging if you'd like. the prospect of a breakthrough here are pretty limited. when they're in doing in ukraine is what they did in syria and terms of a level of teeth fires and the aim is to produce a cease-fire as a tactic of war. it allows the humanitarian corridor, so that allows the way out of an area, and the russian air force in syria just bombarded these airstrikes to -- reason for that is if you can -- maternity a hospital is hit by an airstrike then you want to get out of the area. the safest place in your town has been hit, then you need to flee. the russian tactic in syria was to make people flee, and tens of thousands of -- under cease-fire while he bombed if hospitals. why they are seeing in places

-- like it's people coming out on the streets, confronting soldiers using people power trying to confront thanks. one way of dealing with that if you just force the civilians to flee, to run for cover and get out of the area. therefore they are now trying to do in ukraine as they did with syria. so that is probably going to be -- optimism about this. but it is a good time -- sergei lavrov and -- in half an hour's time. we will see what they have to say and the cease fire -- suppression will be easing that specifically other kind of tactic of war. the turks say they want these talks to leaders, to assist anywhere but you can see a huge amount of interest, a lot of press here opening -- that there is some kind of breakthrough that can be brought about two and these talks here. >> okay, dominic, thank you, thanks a lot. looking at some of these

stories in this morning's newspapers, and something that no mom should ever have to contemplate in the telegram, a pregnant woman leaves the maternity hospital in the port city of mariupol. in the times this image of vladimir putin meeting with -- moscow at the same time as the shelling of that hospital. some ukrainians are still trying to boost morale. a member of the kyiv symphony orchestra here performing in the capital. this aid worker just as a clown at a refugee center, in the city of -- and finally in the mail, we see tomorrow's who managed to celebrate her hundred an inch -- despite shielding from overhead fire. looking at our top story is the

-- millions of people will die if they do not stop ukraine if. he has described the airstrike on a hospital in mariupol as a war crime. he says children are buried beneath the rubble. the russian and ukrainian foreign ministers will meet today in turkey in high level diplomatic talks. what you are seeing on your tv screen is a war crime. that was the message from the armed forces minister -- just a moment ago on this program. i asked him about the recent reports of the hospital being blocked by russian forces, this is where he said. the west is watching, and russia's commanders need to remember, that war crimes are not just committed by those at the very top that the russian government, they're committed all the way down the chain of command by all who are involved. what you see on your tv screens,

is a war crime. now, clearly, there is evidence to be gathered to prove that it is a war crime. western countries are working together to make sure that that evidence is gathered in the best way, so that people can be helped, but let's be clear. which putin is doing is not a war waged between two militaries. right now, he has besieged a number of ukrainian cities. he's waged war against ukrainian civilians. >> tomorrow, it's here fascinating listening to the minister this morning, on all sorts of -- not only on those going a wall, in order to do it. >> a complete rebuke to live trump said to, which is that she would support those going to fight for ukraine. james tp that not just serving soldiers, must not start the post, which we know a very small number have done, but

veterans and other british people with military experience who feel that they could be of help there, they've seen the horrifying photos on television, which he said, appear to be a war crime. he said they must not go there, because this is not like a to work week sort of assignment. this is, you are there until the end of the war, and it's better to leave that fighting to the ukrainians, with the weaponry that britain has sent them. pretty stark message there, in terms of a complete split bear at the top of government, or rebuke with the foreign secretary said, anyway. i thought it was fascinating when he said about the prospects for peace talks, in turkey, today. pretty high there with sergei lavrov, the russian foreign minister there, with his counterpart -- some commentators saying these horrible scenes in mariupol, are only going to spread across the country as the russian response tightens its grip -- >> he said it's a war crime, and britain was gonna reported i that. >> he also said that the ukraine should generally sue

for peace now. he said, we've got to be very skeptical, and it appears not to be the british government's advice that zelenskyy could reward putin advancing on a sovereign country. very much supporting the ukrainians all the way, if they want to fight, and come one may. >> i wonder what you thought about visas and refugees. >> it sounds as if that is moving today, k, i thought the policy is very fluid at the moment. the home secretary may announce changes today, the sort of thing the government are looking at is whether ukrainians are here on temporary visas, visiting students, people who are working temporarily, and don't have permanent residency. whether they will be able to bring family members over, because at the moment it looks like an obvious avenue for the government to go down. are they going to get rid of biometric checks, no is when i'm told. even for children and special cases, that is not going to go down. certainly he sounded very aware that things need to start

moving to prevent the sort of angry scenes we see the polish border. >> looking forward to it, meanwhile the prime minister has repeated calls to draw visa requirements for ukrainians, insisting security checks were vital. joined now from eugene webster, she's the president to the ukrainian law association. thanks for joining us on the program this morning. what's should happen? >> no i didn't hear you. >> okay. can you hear me now? >> yes. >> i just want to ask you your opinion on what we're hearing from the british government, as far as visas and biometric checks are concerned. >> well, we knew the case with investment visas, we reach people and it was accomplished in a matter of hours. obviously, the security checks

are very important, but certainly there are ways to get them faster. but we're here now is that people who are able to escape the war, are now in uncertainty, as to where they go next. while europe allows people to come without visas, the uk doesn't. basically, people who are exhausted, before retired aren't now in a strange country, in a strange city, and they have to wait and they don't know how long they have to wait. sometimes they don't have money to play for the accommodation to wait. and then the visas are only issued a few visa centers around europe. really few. this all makes people very anxious. >> i am sure. are you in contact with people who are still trapped in ukraine? >> yes, i am, my whole family is in ukraine. my parents, my sister, my nephew, and his family, they are in ukraine. >> where are they telling him?

>> they hope for the better. they hope that the uk in the u.s. will help them. they hope that ukraine will get more modern weapons, like fighter jets and air defenses stems to protect them from the horrible bombing. because they go to bed, they don't know if they're going to wake up. the way for this equipment to be delivered, and start killing civilians, the road is very risky for them, my parents are elderly with a car, they're not sure if they can reach the border. so for them, they're just praying that this stops. >> are you in touch with people that are ads calais, i'd all? >> i'm not. i don't know anyone in calais. but you are aware that there are some ukrainian people that are stuck there? not sure what to do next. others very keen to get into the united kingdom, as to when they can. it does look, potentially, like

tomorrow that mike become a little easier from today. what would you say to the british government? >> first of all, thank you so much for your overwhelming support. everyone in ukraine is extremely grateful. the ukrainians are fighting this war for all of us here, because there is no -- if it is not stopped just now. so please support ukraine with all military defensive systems you can. air, defense fighter jets, so that civilians are not killed, and we can win in this war. >> it's good to talk to you, i'm so sorry that your family is still. in ukraine. i hope they have a opportunity to be reunited with you very soon. thank you very much, indeed, for being with us. >> thank you. >> sylvia sin check works as an immigration adviser for the east london and charity, there are newell program, she joins us now.

hello to you sylvia. again, we've heard the potentially the british government might be making things a little bit easier to get into the country later today. up until now, how much of a challenge hasn't been, do you know? >> well the scheme hasn't been performing very well. under the ukrainian humanitarian visa route, there are two schemes. one hasn't been implemented yet. officials without connection to ukraine, the other which is for family members of ukrainian residents. the response has not been adequate to the issue at hand. for example, there is not enough visa processing centers.

there have been pop-up visa processing centers in poland, the capacity was can increased in hungary, moldova. there are talks of additional very close to -- in legal. i think people found it very challenging, not only determined about the process as a whole, this is quite complex. it starts with online application, and after submission we go for the biometric appointments, and providing facial image and fingerprint so people have been turned away from calais, and told to go to paris because of this requirement. and other challenges which are just a qualification where people lack evidence of the

relationship or family members, such as bad certificates, marriage certificates, they might even lack identity documents. so they will struggle to prove their case, at times, especially [interpreter] the other issue, is that the requirement of having to reside in ukraine prior to the 1st of january 2022. obviously, people fleeing their home country will not think of collecting their documents, just to be able to prove at some point they lived in ukraine. >> okay. thank you very much indeed for explaining that to us. we appreciate you taking the time. hopefully we'll get a little bit easier for ukraine is trying to come into the united kingdom, as of today.

thank you for taking the time. k you for taking tstill to comet show for you this morning, the uk's former representative to nato will rick's, joining us to discuss the russian invasion of ukraine, and the role of the west and the conflicts. and the conflicts

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to the breakfast show on sky news. the ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy -- will does not have to stop russian bombing. joined now by the uk's former -- thank you for joining us on the program this morning. how would you describe what happens at the maternity hospital in mariupol yesterday? >> well, k, the horror of this

attack. its forces should be -- i didn't know that this was deliberate, in which case it was clearly a war crime. or a criminal negligence and incompetence to strike a target like this. bombing of civilian -- is horrific and saw even worse horse. >> the minister representing the government this morning saying to us that, as far as he is concerned, he government sees it as a war crime and we'll be reporting it as such. do you support that? >> yes, absolutely. all the evidence of this goes to the international criminal court, and this seems to be clearly a war crime as russia is not part of the jurisdiction of the international criminal court. that anyone involved in, this will -- >> look to compare matters, it

took place during a cease-fire. humanitarian corridors that are supposed to be open so that civilians can get out of these bombarded cities. they are being shelled, as they try to lease with what they are standing up in, holding the hands of their children. what if anything can we do to try and help these people? >> well i think we all feel helpless, in the face of this. -- short term is we can't stop the russians during this kind of civilian attack, okay, we have had a lot of calls for ban of any flights. but a no-fly zone would in-store -- shelling in the quarter if they agreed to. i think what we have to agree now is move on to this conflict from ukraine and russia, this

is a global issue. this is russia attacking morals and values of every civilized country in the world. russia has to be -- around the world for having conducting these sorts of attacks on civilians across ukraine. i don't think we can stop in the short term, but we can make sure that russia -- terrible for years to come. >> how concerned should we be? how concerned are you that president putin has made field threats to other neighboring countries including countries like sweden? >> president putin deals in stressed and jimenez and he was a spy for most of his life. that -- i believe there is a clear distinction between countries that were a part of the former soviet union, he seems to try to bring some back where possible into some sort of state of russia. i think the baltic stakes

because -- it's that is the red line. also deeply embedded within country, it has solidarity in terms of all eu members so i think that we should regard this as putin's -- he is an eight-week position in ukraine. is looking of ways to increase pressure on the west and see should continue firmly and -- very much part of the western effort to increase the cost for president putin here. >> we know he has sent his foreign minister along with ukrainian foreign minister to turkey to have the highest level talks that we have seen between the two countries so far. how hopeful are you that anything will come of that, again when i spoke to the minister this morning he wasn't -- >> well i'm not either. there doesn't seem to be any common ground between the two sides are all at the moment.

if the eu cranium's wherever -- which i don't think they were, the horrors of the last -- my committee even less so. nobody knows that putin would regard as a minimum facing outcome for this sort of -- but i don't think having to listen to presidents ellen ski two days ago that he is in any mood for parts of ukrainian territory for -- the eastern part of the country. so if they can do something about humanitarian corridors and civilian humanitarian relief, that i suppose will be good. i don't think we have anywhere near the negotiation settlement for this crisis, i think it will be a long crisis, the most likely outcome will be some kind of stalemate where neither side has won, but neither side has lost. in either case i don't think we will be seeing any sort of solution anytime soon. >> what do you think will happen to the ukrainian

president? >> well, he is an absolute hero in this crisis. i think the entire country is behind him. is one of those inspirational leaders, sometimes images in realtime. i heard he is taking great care of his own safety, and i think -- all the advice and support we can on that it is a really important to ukraine that he continues as it's not just a symbolic head, but the manifestation of extraordinary national -- >> and how worried should we be about waving visas and the security issues that might cause in the united kingdom, which is what we are being told is one of the problems of their long term visa applications? >> i think we have 22 parts of the conversations together, we can't react with horror and the four tax on civilians and then turn around and say we are going to impose fleeing the

terror and making extremely difficult for people to come to this country's. the eu are accepting in -- 1.5 million people, on the basis of temporary presidents permits. no doubt with eu, i don't feel there is any security risk for allowing in women, children, family members, joining others in this country. so i will be inclined to look to -- particularly for women and children and possibly all six months, during which just want to stay in this country, -- >> they're absolutely freezing and that is very difficult not to be emotional body, isn't it? >> it is difficult to be

emotional's -- you have to do better to allow those who want to come to this country and start families here to make it possible, and i don't think we are in normal times where normal levels of security checks and biometrics can be -- these people are desperate, they are fleeing the or we i've just seen, and we need to find the humanitarian side as other european countries are doing to be welcoming, generous haven to these poor people. all our hearts go out to them i'm sure. >> did you think -- that we would see something like this again in your lifetime in europe? the biggest movement of people since the second world war? >> no, i really didn't. i spent 40 years as a diplomat trying to -- that set of international rules which was meant to ensure that this never happened again.

after the second world war, which was the last time we saw horror on the scale, i lived through the 1990s and the -- yugoslavia which was terrible, but much more limited than this. i really never thought we would get that full scale war against the civilian population in a european country. it is a really desperately sad setback to the darkest days of the 19th century. the whole world needs to come together for see pressure on russia to stop this assault. >> and a final thought for you, those who are serving military, who are so overwhelmed by what they see, giving up their post and going to ukraine, the armed forces minister not at all happy about that. what would you say? >> well, i would encourage people to do that. we all understand the frustration, an aggravation to do something but remember this

is now a war zone with no morals. the russians have no restrictions. if anyone falls into russian hands, i would hate to see what happens to them. i think we should be helping ukraine in any way through materials, humanitarian support, but i would not advise people to go back and -- the british government cannot help anyone -- >> we appreciate you very much taking the time to speak to us on the program this morning, my lord, thank you. >> still to come in the next hour of the program, we will have more reaction to the recent development in ukraine. as the armed forces minister -- says what we are seeing on our television screens's warcrimes by russia. in addition to that, he warned british serving military personnel not to head to ukraine, and in his words, -- he said there will be in an

awful lot of -- just think about that we will be asking him in a moment here on sky news.

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morning it is, you are very welcome to their breakfast show wherever you are around the world, two weeks since president putin invaded ukraine, and the war has seen possibly's most significant atrocity yet. maternity hospital in mariupol bombed by russian forces the russian minister will he be james, it comes after.