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in mass grave and they have run out. and a firsthand look at what ukrainian soldiers and citizens are facing as they try to hold their ground against the russian army, and we'll dig into where the russian forces are and who is controlling what. that's ahead. welcome to "meet the press daily." i'm chuck todd. as the war in ukraine enters its third week, russia is ramping up shelling of key cities. richard engel and his crew shot this video from the hard-hit city of irpin where buildings are reduced to rubble and civilians are fleeing with whatever they can carry. the u.s. says they're concerned about how far putin is willing to go in his attack on civilian ukraines. they could be preparing to use chemical or biological weapons in ukraine.

bill burns laid out that possibility in the senate intelligence committee's worldwide threats hearing this morning. >> it underscores the concern that all of us need to focus on those kind of issues, whether it's the potential for the use of chemical weapons either as a false flag operation or against ukrainians. this is something as all offensively you know very well is very much a part of russia's playbook. they've used those weapons against their own citizens. they've at least encouraged the use in syria and elsewhere. so it's something we take very seriously. >> meanwhile, the humanitarian crisis in ukraine is getting worse by the day. president zelenskyy says more than 60,000 civilians have been rescued from cities in the last day alone as these evacuation corridors out of eastern ukraine are remaining open for now. according to the u.n., we're up to 2.3 million ukrainians who have fled country, more than half of them in poland. that's where vice president harris met today with the

country's president. she called for an investigation into potential war crimes as ukrainian officials say three people, including a child, were killed in yesterday's attack on a children's hospital in mariupol. when pressed about the attack, sergey lavrov said the hospital is being used by a ukrainian militia. >> this is not the first time we have seen pathetic outcries concerning so-called atrocities by the russian armed forces. at the u.n. security council, our delegation presented facts that this maternity hospital had long since been captured by the azov battalion and other radical factions from where all expectant mothers, all nurses, and all personnel have been kicked out. this was a base of the ultra radical azov battalion. >> that came after lavrov met with his ukrainian counterpart in turkey, the first high-level peace talks between the two countries since talks began. those talks yielded little

progress. but putin has appeared to soften his demand from ukraine in recent days. it does look like he's trying to find an exit ramp. richard engel joins me from kyiv. cnbc joins us from turkey. mike memoli has the latest from the white house. and we'll be joined by mike mcfaul, ormer u.s. ambassador to russia and nbc news international affairs analyst. mike, i'd like to get some clarity on the vice president's trip to poland and what her message -- what the message that she was supposed to bring to the polish president and where we are in this mig situation. >> reporter: chuck, this was a trip that when the white house announced it late last week was really more of a symbolic gesture on the part of the biden administration to demonstrate once again our solidarity, our commitment to the security of our eastern flank nato allies in addition to the meetings today

that the vice president holding in poland. she's due to fly to romania at the end of the day for meetings there. obviously, the situation with poland's offer of these mig jets complicated the visit. the vice president was able to sidestep that when she held a joint press conference with the polish president today, simply saying that the u.s. commitment to our nato allies is ironclad. the polish president for his part trying to explain away, that we're trying to do everything we can at this point. this speaks to, chuck, what is at the heart of what's vexing the white house at this point. we talk so often about the strength of u.s. intelligence in these -- leading up to and in the early days of this invasion, largely, accurately predicting just about everything russia did. we have not seen now, because of ukraine's really heroic resistance at this point, the same quality of knowledge, foreknowledge of what's happening next. so as russia has been stifled by ukraine's defenses, we're seeing putin being willing to escalate, take much more in terms of

civilian steps, targeting civilians, potentially even this morning the warning from the u.s. about potential chemical attacks. the real concern is anything that the u.s. does beyond these economic sanctions -- there will always be more oligarchs to sanction, always going to be oil steps to take at this point, putting them in a difficult position. we saw that play out this morning when the director of national intelligence spoke directly to the questions about why the u.s. was not willing to go further. let's play that exchange, because i think it's significant. >> i think, senator, that the chinese leadership, first as invested a lot in partnership with russia, and i don't expect that to change anytime soon. i do, however, believe that the chinese leadership, president xi in particular, is unsettled by what he's seeing, partly because his own intelligence doesn't appear to have told him what was going to happen, second because of the reputational damage that

china suffers by association with the ugliness of russia's aggression in ukraine. >> reporter: a notable exchange about china's role in all this. but there was this exchange between tom cotson, republican of arkansas, challenging the intelligence community directly saying i don't think you have this intelligence that russia would see providing more defensive equipment and more offensive equipment in the form of aircraft as escalatory. it's leading the biden administration to have these uncomfortable conversations now with states that we really have been trying to avoid. you have the president, we just got the readout of his call with president erdogan of turkey. remember, the standoff, the tension in that relationship because turkey, a nato ally, was buying a russian weapons system, so turkey offering to be something of a mediator. we have the president meeting late they are hour with the colombian president, the elephant in the room being the talks under way that have been

happening with venezuela's maduro regime, and of course the efforts on the part of the u.s. to speak with the saudis to get more in terms of oil production. these conversations with, you know, countries that obviously the biden administration had been holding at arm's length now very much required. >> the window on pariahs has moved quite a bit thanks to vladimir putin. mike memoli, thank very much. richard engel is in kyiv. richard, for a few days now, you've been noting that there seems to be some attempt by the russian leadership to back off some of their demands. it seems as if it's the beginning, at leaster, of an acknowledgment that they bit off more than they can chew. how real do you think it is that the russians want out of this? >> reporter: well, today we saw russia going in the opposite direction. first there were the demands from vladimir putin, which he laid out in his long, historic

analysis that ukraine doesn't exist, that ukraine is a national security risk to russia, and that it needs to be brought into the russian fold and the only way to do that is to topple the ukrainian government. then we seemed to see a bit of flexibility with peskov, putin's spokesman, saying that the real demands are that there's an acknowledgment of russia's control over crimea, the dependence of the eastern area of donbas, and some sort of neutrality agreement, in which ukraine will not accept to be part of the nato or the eu. these talks brought us back to where putin was initially with the foreign minister sergey lavrov refusing to accept there is even an invasion, refusing to compromise on any issue, saying he didn't have the authority to negotiate humanitarian corridors or a cease-fire. and the foreign minister of

ukraine describing the russian position as coming in and asking for a surrender. and then putin appeared on russian television and he said that, yes, there are sanctions, we've been sanctioned before. he said that russia would get through them, that the west was going to impose these sanctions on russia anyway and that it will not accept a threat to its national security. so, there appeared to be a lowering of the russian position. perhaps now they are getting back on putin's script. >> very quickly, richard, this threat on chemical weapons and this false flag intelligence, what are you hearing and seeing on the ground? >> reporter: nothing here. that's coming from the u.s. but it is concerning because the u.s. has been watching this very closely. their intelligence thus far has been extraordinarily accurate about what russia might do and say and how it might frame this.

and if russia is bogged down here, and so far russia is bogged down, it might resort to more indiscriminate weapons. but so far vladimir putin has not been shying away from escalation. but at this stage it's something u.s. officials are cautioning about. if they were to do that, i think we might see an even more significant international reaction. >> you would think. >> reporter: it's just talk. >> i would think. let me move over to hadley gamble. you had a conversation with ukraine's foreign minister after these talks. we've heard what sort of -- what does ukraine's side see as negotiable and what they don't see as negotiable? >> reporter: chuck, a couple things here. to add to what richard was saying, if you take a step back and look at what's happened to russia's economy, that's been

unplugged from the global financial system, president putin is echoing the comments that sergy lavrov made to me earlier today when i asked him specifically about what was happening in his economy and whether or not he was able to justify this war in ukraine to the russian people after he's essentially wrecked their economy. he pushed back in the same way. but let me tell you something, when you're literally inches away from a $40 billion debt default, that's not something you can come back from quickly. the rating on russian sovereign bonds has been lowered yet again, c rating, inching towards junk. even if vladimir putin decided tomorrow let's pull out of ukraine and go back to our own borders, it will be a long time to reassert russia's economy in any real way. taking a step back, look at the reality of the russian financial situation. in terms of what's happening with ukraine, ukraine officials, i've been speaking to them since december, we saw a marked change in tone over the last two weeks. volodymyr zelenskiy, this interview he did 24 hours ago,

essentially suggesting that ukraine is willing to back off from its bid for nato membership. that's a huge shift in two weeks and it speaks frankly to how much damage russia has been able to do in those 15 days. essentially he said that because he understands now that nato is just opposed to conflict, he's backing away from that. there's room for negotiation, if you will. i asked the foreign minister of ukraine about that specifically and what kind of guarantees ukraine is looking for in order to get there. listen in. >> we realize in the last month and especially weeks that first nato cannot get us on board within the foreseeable future, and second, nato is not ready to act as an alliance to defend ukraine. in fact, what happened at nato, they delegated population with ukraine to member states to do it on a bilateral basis. this poses a question -- what is

between now and somewhere then? we need to fix problems today. we need to save our country. we need to save lives of our compatriots. >> reporter: essentially saying the reality check they have had on the ground. over 13,000 people dead on both sides of this issue, 2.1 million people displaced. we know in terms of their economy and what's happened, in terms of the damage across the country, $10 billion plus, so that's a reality check. and it also reflects an understanding that there is serious sanctions fatigue on the part of their european counterparts, and all of that as you know speaks to what we saw in the last two days. u.s. president joe biden deciding he's going to sanction russia's energy imports into the united states. the eu can't do that without literally going into a recession. they need russian oil. they need russian gas. >> hadley gamble, thanks very

much. speaking of exclusives, i have former u.s. ambassador to russia mike mcfaul here who minutes ago was on the phone with president zelenskyy. so, mike, let me start there. what can you tell us? >> chuck, just to be clear, i was on -- i have lots of friends in ukraine. we've talked about it for many weeks now. we've had 300 people that we've trained at stanford that work in the government and various places. one works for president zelenskyy. i talk to him pretty much every day. on our skype call today he said i have a visitor who wants to join us, and that's when president zelenskyy came on the screen. so it was not an intended call men just got on and we talked in russian, by the way, because we both speak russian. his first language, my second. you know, the mood is -- what he said publicly, and i'm not going to talk about specifics of our conversation, but they realize, just like the foreign minister

said, nato is not prepared to go as far as they want. nato is now individually acting, and that's the signal that the biden administration gave, and that's a disappointment for ukrainians. it's somewhat surprising to them that this hot potato of these mig-29s, that the nato is not acting in unity. but they need protection there. and mig-29s is one part of that. there are lots of different weapons systems that nato allies have that could be useful for them to protect their air, and that's what they want. frankly, i agree with them on that. i think it's right for president to say we are not going to war with russia over ukraine. i completely agree with him. no-fly zone, that's euphemism for declaration of war against russia. but anything short of that, i think we have to help ukrainians fight. if we're not going to fight, we have to let them fight to best

of their abilitys. >> the russian position is more strident than it was essentially 24 hours ago. is this posturing? is this them pretending they want to negotiate? or do you think they're looking to see, boy, is there any face-saving way out of this now? >> well, let me say first, i don't know, chuck, and not a single person on the planet knows the answer to your question, including bill burns. you saw him testifying. because there's only one person that matters and there's vladimir putin. number two, if i have to speculate, i just remind you, we did a lot of this kind of speculation before the war, right? there are these little, oh, my goodness, they want to talk, oh, they just want to do this, they just want the independent republics, just want a land bridge. there were all kinds of these false things. my colleagues in the biden administration kept saying our intelligence says they're going in. these are all just things that

we're chasing. they were never chasing them. you and i were. today they're not as sure about what they think putin wants to do but when i listen to the guy, i haven't seen anything, the way he talks, that suggests that he wants to negotiate. remember, negotiations generally take place either when one side wins or when there's a stalemate. and we're at neither one of those two situations now. we talk akd how heroic the ukrainians have been fighting, and that is true. they have done damage to this army in ways that putin didn't expect. but he still has most of his army available to him. he still has most of his materiel available to him, and he's still making progress. so until there's a real stalemate on the battlefield, i'm very suspicious that he's serious about negotiating. >> what's your sense of what president zelenskyy is willing to negotiate? >> well, he's hinted at it before, even before the war, by

the way. i think he is willing to talk about some very dramatic things like neutrality and even agree to disagree about certain territories. and remember, chuck, a very important political thing, before this war, zelenskyy would have had a very hard time doing that because of the divisions, you know, politically. today everybody stands behind him. he would be able to negotiate at the table and know that he had his society behind him, but it takes two to tango. just because he's signaling that, it doesn't matter unless vladimir putin alone, himself, says he's ready to talk as well. >> mike, it does look like this strategy of the west is workin if the west has patience and if the ukrainians can keep this fight up and essentially fight not to lose, right. not losing is winning in this

case, perhaps. is there a point where putin is past the point of being able to be accepted back into the world order? or if zelenskyy negotiates something with him, does the west respect it and allow putin back into the world order, if you will? >> well, two things. i think western strategy generally is working, but they've got to keep moving. this is not a time to hold your cards and say we're fine. chuck, there's 50 more oligarchs they can sanction if they want to just on that front alone and on the weapons to ukraine. there is more to be done. good job today. you've got to keep the ante up, both on the pressure side on russia and on the fighting. if they lose the war, the sanctions don't matter. and with respect to your big question about putin, my own view is that i don't see a scenario in which he's brought back into the international

order. he personally will be a pariah, i think, for rest of his time in government. that's most certainly my hope, too, by the way. i also think on the economy, it's not going to come back right away unless they capitulate, unless they withdraw now. the more of the scenes you're showing right now, killing children, innocent children, mariupol, and remember, 30% of the population of mariupol are ethnic russians. he's killing russians. >> his own people. >> in mariupol. so the more that happens, i think the less likely it is that mr. putin will ever be welcomed back into the internationalen community. >> as we know, he already has used chemical weapons, whether it's on assassinations or what we've seen in other places. ambassador mcfaul, newsy day. thanks for coming and bringing us your reporting today as well and your expertise. >> yep. thank you. still to come, where russian troops are and where they aren't

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welcome back. as we reported, the director general of the iaea, the international atomic energy agency, was in turkey today meeting with both the russian and ukrainian foreign ministers amid rising kshs about the safety of ukraine's nauk lar facilities. russia is in charge of their largest power plant and yesterday the ukraine government said chernobyl has lost power. the iaea isn't seeing critical activity at the plant yet. we're going to break down russia's movement. clint watts, how much of these facilities around the country, we know one is in russian hands, are these russian targets? >> yeah. what's interesting, chuck, it's twofold. this is they are noble up here

to the north. that's the one we're all worried about because the historical legacy of it. power going off there, it seems like there's very little risk of an actual nuclear meltdown, but we don't know, right? >> they lost data. they had data they were getting and don't have it. >> that's critical to understand what's going on. that's the second part of this, which is fear, there's one down here, this one here, part of that is siege warfare, militarily. you can control the power, turn things off and on. but separately it's what would they do with it? we know the russians use nuclear things to stoke fear or bring people to the negotiating tame or for disinformation. the ukrainians are doing something here, a case to justify why the russian population is in ukraine. that's why it's particularly dangerous over time. >> tell is about the russian troop movements. are they stalled again? is this the same sort of slow

sort of trying to choke kyiv over time? >> yeah. so, two parts, chuck. down in the south, what we've seen, and in particular, i think wa i would note is in the southern part, you're seeing them advance, but it's a caterpillar now. they're moving slowly. what they'd like to get to is over here, dnipreshgs o. it brings ore access from summi, cutting the country essentially in half. they're meet major resistance from the ukrainians here. they've also moved here. >> as far west as they've attempted because they would like to get odesa. >> they would like that. they'd like to get here. >> are you surprised they haven't backfilled? they had about 200,000 troops. they're all in country now. they have more troops. are you surprised they haven't backfilled at least here in the black sea? >> yeah. one of the open questions is essentially if they can get

right here, if they can move all the way through, secure this northern part, take the black sea and odesa, which is such a major center for everything, commerce and people, can they bring them in by sea, essentially landing craft, naval resupply from the sea. i think the bigger issue is what way v they're doing in the north. this is where they're at, in and around kyiv. yesterday we were talking about three axes of advance. major fighting here and here today, but they're not making up much ground. the ukrainians are putting up stiff resistance. this is the convoy here, circling to the west, but they're struggling, chuck. this is inching forward. >> we've been talking about these migs and whether or not to bring them in. we know nobody has controlled the skies, neither russia nor ukraine. >> that's right. >> and it's ukraine's surface to air that has been the dominant feature so far of this. what is the status? >> the russian air force is just not doing well.

they are doing bombing runs, but they're flying in low altitudes, coming in. you can see on video, they're being shot down like crazy. they've lost tons of helicopters. >> is that bad strategy, intelligence, planning? >> it comes down to weapons system as well. they're using old-style weapons, dumb bock e bombs and munitions. they have precision-guided but they're not using it. nobody knows why. the u.s. military, we are very good about doing surgical targeting. the russians don't really have this. >> we've been told for last ten years russia was modernizing its army. are we learning this is a house of cards? >> i think portions of it are modernized, but look at what they're trying to do. they're attacking -- you're talking about a country ohio to maine. they're trying to attack from michigan and tennessee. >> the doctrine -- forget the whole doctrine.

they don't subscribe it to. >> they are all about using mass force, armored divisions with massive fires but they're holding back because they can't do logistics. this is the one thing that compared to western militaries, they can't do logistics the same way. they had trouble in georgia over a decade ago, same struggles here. when you look at these convoys coming in, they have two big ones here, this one and this one, which kind of comes down to kyiv, it is a logjam. and the ukrainian military is doing such a great job of striking these convoys, slowing it down, blowing bridges behind the forward advance. just remarkable fights so far. i really think this march to kyiv and beyond, we're talking one to two month tofgs way they're going. for them to secure these rear areas, and if i could add one thing, kharkiv, close to the russian border, they're meeting resistance and the false flag sort of claims. kharkiv. this is something to watch for into next week. >> clint watts, this is great. very educational, if you will,

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with each passing day, ukraine's refugee crisis goes more dire. 2 million have pled, 115 people every minute since russia invaded two weeks ago.

there are estimates we could have more than 10 million ukrainians displaced when all is done and said. the majority are women and children. the men are staying back to fight. according to unicef, more than 1 million children have left their homes behind. half of the refugees are children. and the journeys have been devastating. listen to this mother of three, a refugee from kyiv, speaking to the associated press yesterday. >> help our kids and help our army to do something for this war to be ended as soon as possible. but just because i believe that kids shouldn't see the murder, they shouldn't hear the bombs falling on their city. that's why we are here. hoping something will change. hopefully we can come back to our native land as soon as

possible. >> folks, refugees and asylum seekers are one piece of the humanitarian crisis. countless more are trapped in an active war zone, unable to evacuate to safety. in mariupol, population roughly the size of my hometown of miami, the besieged residents have undergone constant shelling for more than a week. there's been no heat, no electricity, no water supply. yesterday, ukrainian officials say a russian air strike wrecked one of the city's maternity hospitals, killing at least three people, including one child. the dem tay mayor of mariupol joins me now. mr. mayor, i hat to share this with you, but the russian foreign minister, and we played his quote earlier on his show, claimed that this didn't happen, that the bombing of this maternity ward was somehow a bombing of a ukrainian militia headquarters. tell us what happened with your eyes. what did you see?

>> you know, ten minutes ago, i read some good words of minister of foreign affairs of latvia. he told the world we have big lies and we have information of lavrov. so you should understand that lavrov and his minister of affairs are producing not only lies but propaganda. so the fact was that yesterday we had a ward in the center of the city, and you told and they see russia uses bombs that are not specific in their targets. so they just put their bomb on the hospital complex. we had majority hospital children's therapy here. one of the building does not exist anymore. another one received damages. so we received 17 victims, injured people. it's mostly pregnant women.

three were killed and one of them was a child. so that's how it could be. so there is anyone other semipregnant women and doctors who were there in the hospital. >> right now there are a lot of people that would like to get out and can't. what do you need? what would it take to help evacuate these folks who have right now no heat, no way of getting supplies? >> you should understand that to make any -- we need agreement from two side. ukrainian side is ready to make evacuation and to provide trucks but it's not possible to establish because of continuous bombing of mariupol itself and

shelling on the road from mariupol to zaporizhzhia. today is our sixth try and it was not successful because continuous bombing of the center of the city. i want to tell that yesterday about 100 citizens took their private cars and were able to evacuate themselves, so they passed through ukrainian check point and the western part of our city, and they transferred but ukraine. but in several kilometers they meet russian checkpoint and they start to shoot from armed weapon, not to shoot exactly to the cars but around the cars. and they were pushed to return back. so all 100 citizens returned back. there is no opportunity to leave the city even more massive humanitarian help and needs. so any other possibility.

>> so, obviously you guys are still holding the city. how are you able to govern? do you feel confident you can continue this resistance and for how long? >> from military point of view, the ukrainian army is brave and will defend up to the last bullet. but you know and all the world and u.s. citizens know that we don't have any weapon to protect our lives. so putin and his army are flattening the city and destroying all the civil infrastructure. that's why we do not know how to protect that, for example. but humanitarian situation is really awful, and we need food, we need water, and our citizens want to receive humanitarian

help, but it's not possible because of continuous shelling and bombing from russian army. >> do you feel as if the west should be doing more to help you right now? >> we are thankful for all the efforts that the u.s. and the eu and united kingdom do for ukraine, and i am absolutely sure that all the sanctions will work. but it's long time, so we need more efforts to do short-term help. and we absolutely sure that at least given us anti-rocket or anti-aircraft weapon is the only possibility to feed our children, women, and adults. >> tell me about -- tell our rurs what they should know about mariupol before the russians are

trying to destroy the city. obviously, you care and love the city. you wouldn't have run to be deputy mayor. what should our viewers know about the city, about its people? >> mariupol was and still is one of the biggest industrial city in the southeast of ukraine. its population was more than half a million citizens. so it goes with fast development and recent fight for six years, and they were the most transparent city in transparenc international. we do a lot of improvement in our city. we make life of our citizens much bet, and they were proud to be ukraine and to be ukrainian citizen. we do not want to attack any other country, any other city. we were happy here in our town and in our country.

but now putin and his army destroyed everything. they are making not only humanitarian crisis, they are making genocide ukraine as a nation. and we're sure what putin wants. >> you want to remind mr. putin how many ethnic russians live in mariupol? >> me personally, half russian, half ukrainian. i speak a russian and it's not a problem to speak russian in any part of ukrainian country. so the latest number we official receive offend killed people, it was the day before yesterday, it was 1,207. and at least half of them are russian. so russia brings death to russian people in mariupol. >> deputy mayor of mariupol. i appreciate you sharing a few minutes with us. stay strong.

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welcome back. data download time. new numbers from the labor department for inflation show you what you've been experiencing in person, whether at the supermarket or the gas station. inflation is still rising. compared to a year ago, it rose 7.9% in the month of february, obviously outpacing wage growth as welp in a statement, president biden said families are feeling the impact of coons price hike. the situation in ukraine is certainly contribute to the current almost accelerant to inflation, but it's not only to blame.

here's the month over month chart for the last few months. the consumer price index was up 8.2% in 2022, in line with what we've seen the last few months before the invasion. food and energy continue to drive this increase, and in some ways, energy is connected to the food increase. gasoline and fuel oil prices were both up over 6.5%, and of course both are actually being exacerbated by the global energy uncertainty. take away the commodities of food and energy, inflation still grew 0.5% last month because of increases in the costs of shelter, recreation, turn cher and other things. this is still part of the covid sort of comeback, if you will. gas prices may be causing prices to pop out of the page, inflation is still up. still to come, vice president harris heads to poland to see the escalating refugee crisis first hand and meets with the canadian prime minister justin trudeau.

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confirming the commitment to nato. ahead of her visit the u.s. announced it would deploy two missile batteries to ukraine, and she met with ukrainian refugees and announced humanitarian aid, and she held a bilateral meeting with canadian prime minister, justin trudeau. all parties are looking to avoid any fingerprints on the transfer, and any moves on the part of ukraine will be done together. >> we will do everything together, in partnership, in solidarity, to support what is necessary at this very moment in terms of the humanitarian and security needs of ukraine and the ukrainian people. >> josh letterman is on the ground in warsaw covering the vice president's trip there, and on this hot potato fighter jet

issue, where the polands wanted the u.s. to do it, and is that the vice president's way of saying this is a nato decision and not an individual country's decision? >> yeah, that's right, chuck. in a way there was not a whole lot for them to say about this given the fact that the u.s. has firmly ruled out this is going to happen. harris told reporters here that essentially they were going to stand in unity with the poles in deciding how to stand with ukraine, and the polish leader said this is an attempt to not box nato in and they were trying to be deferential to nato by putting the planes on the u.s. base so nato could make a decision of how to proceed, and that's exactly -- we're going to send it back to you, chuck,

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good to be with you. i am katy tur. it's day 15 of the russia war in ukraine. another failed negotiation to end the war. top diplomats from ukraine and russia met in turkey today. russia said there's no end until ukraine surrenders, and ukraine said surrender is not an option. so russia's bombing continues. kharkiv is full of burned out cars and rubble on the streets where just a few weeks ago there was a city full of life. members of ukraine's emergency services diffused an unexphroeted bomb with their barehands and a bottle of water. kyiv is a