tv Katy Tur Reports MSNBC March 10, 2022 11:00am-12:00pm PST
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good to be with you. i am katy tur. it's day 15 of the russia war in ukraine. another failed negotiation to end the war. top diplomats from ukraine and russia met in turkey today. russia said there's no end until ukraine surrenders, and ukraine said surrender is not an option. so russia's bombing continues. kharkiv is full of burned out cars and rubble on the streets where just a few weeks ago there was a city full of life. members of ukraine's emergency services diffused an unexphroeted bomb with their barehands and a bottle of water. kyiv is a
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ukrainian forces detain a group of looters. they have been stealing alcohol. the local mayor won't stand for it. the looters were loaded into a bread truck to be handed over to police. >> how long can you keep them back? the easiest way into kyiv is through uropinion. >> at least three people died in one bombing, including a 6-year-old. russian officials don't deny they targeted the maternity ward but they do claim it was a legitimate target. russia's minister, sergey lavrov said the base was a base for local radical militia. and in the aftermath, a pregnant woman on stretcher and another woman getting treated for a head
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wound and it goes on and on and on and on. joining me now is nbc news correspondent from ukraine, and pentagon correspondent, courtney kube. tell me what it's like there today. >> reporter: it's a desperate situation. i am in lviv. it's one of the safe zones in the western part of the country and most of the refugees in the eastern part of the country are arriving here in lviv. they are frightened and traumatized. they have been displaced from their homes. you see many people coming here with one or two bags, maybe just a plastic bag with a child and some of them with their pets trying to check into some of the hotels here. these are the lucky few, katy. they have the means to get across and a network of people looking after them here in the west of the country, but they
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are confused. they don't know if they will be able to go back to the eastern cities they fled from, if their houses are still standing and what happened to their properties and some of the family members, they refused to leave. some say they are too old and some just don't want to leave their houses, and this invasion has torn families apart. i spoke to one young ukrainian woman whose family was in kyiv, and i asked if the russian invasion would spread west very quickly, and she said, no, i think they will get bogged down in the east and they won't come this far west. then she paused for a second, and she said at least that's what i tell myself so i can sleep at night. you can feel the anxiety in any conversation you are having with people, but there's a huge effort to get refugees out of the east and into neighboring
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countries, and we spoke to americans, brits and ukrainians, using social media and the telephone just to get people together. they managed to get a bus load of elderly, disabled people out of kharkiv. they arrived here in lviv today. but nobody is getting out of mariupol, for example. that, as authorities here say, 400,000 people are being held hostage there. there's no way in or no way out. they have no electricity, water or gas. president zelenskyy said a young child died yesterday from dehydration because the water was cut off, and the living conditions are bismol in eastern parts of the ukraine, and some say it's apocalyptic. russians may resort to dirty tactics as they have done before and start indiscriminately
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bombing areas just to make more headway. that the fear that all of these people are going to get even more displaced and the numbers are going to go further up and it's going to trigger a massive humanitarian crisis. people are digging in here and waiting for the worst, frankly. >> let's talk a little more about that hospital, the mariupol happen. we spoke to the deputy yesterday, and that was day five of trying to get evacuees out, and day six now not a single evacuee able to get out according to the deputy prime minister in ukraine. we are also getting word there may be child in the rubble of the hospital that they are trying to save right now. so the effort is still on going. i know there were attempts at cease-fires but they are clearly not holding. courtney, give me the latest on the u.s. intel on what they
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expect next? >> the operational picture has not changed much since this time yesterday actually when we talked about it, katy. it's a slow boil. in the north up towards and around kyiv, the russians are relatively stalled. they are fighting hard to try and encircle and isolate that city, and they are not close to doing so. the u.s. official i spoke with said there could be two or more weeks before they are able to isolate that city, and the in east same thing, hung up in kharkiv, a major city on the other side of the country, and they are not able to get much past that with the goal of trying to get to the river. the slight is a different picture slightly. the mariupol area, it's isolated and under siege and the russians made progress in the south. they have been able to push to mariupol from the northern black sea. they are moving north from the northern black sea with the
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ultimate goal, the belief among u.s. officials is their goal is to take an entire land bridge along the coast of the black sea and the sea of azov. there are preparations for a potential amphibious assault of odesa. >> i want to ask you about two things, war crimes, vice president kamala harris announced that today while touring in poland. also, the migs, what is the latest between poland and the u.s. between the soviet-era fighter jets? >> vice president kamala harris spoke about that in poland this morning, talking about the need for some sort of investigation. here's what she had to say.
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>> absolutely there should be an investigation. and we should all be watching. i have no question the eyes of the world are on this war and what russia has done in terms of this aggression and these atrocities. i have no doubt. >> she stopped short of saying the united states would be involved in some sort of investigation, but that's the indication that we are getting, that the united states is looking into this and potentially gathering information for some sort of future investigation into what's going on there, whether in fact the russian military is guilty of war crimes in ukraine. on the migs issue, i spoke with an official that said there's no movement and still no plans for the polish migs to go to
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ukraine. there are not a lot of fixed wing aircraft in the air over ukraine, and it's still dangerous over that air. the russians are flying somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 or 200 sorties or flights every day, but the vast majority of them are over russia, and sometimes they come into the ukrainian airspace and will conduct a strike or two, and the things we are seeing in the devastating photos and video out of mariupol and kharkiv, the majority is from cruise missiles, standoff weapons or artillery fire, and that's because the russians are simply not replying. many of the nato partners are getting what they are attacking
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from, anti-armour, anti-air, ways to stop the missiles that the russians are launching, but at this point there's no indication the u.s. or the polish will transfer any more migs in, katy. >> i know it's cold there and it's only getting colder. thank you, guys. as a member of the parliament, and good to see you and thank you for being here. i want you to respond to what the russians are saying today, that the hospital in mariupol which was hit by a bomb was full of combatants, not victims, not patients, not mothers, calling the video of a mother in the stretcher a pregnant woman on a stretcher disinformation from the west. what can you tell me about that? do you have any knowledge of the
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rescue effort that might be currently under way to save a kid in that rubble? >> thank you so much for having me. well, russia's reaction is actually explains many things, right? first of all, this is what they're propaganda looks like inside of the country where people are starting to ask questions. they are saying the hospital is full of nazis, which is outrageous and does not take any kind of criticism. second, this shows you how it's good to live in a free country where there's a freedom of speech and you can check the facts and see the pictures and you can see the videos and talk to the victims who actually have been there, who were bombarded, and you can see with your own eyes what happened. this is absolutely frustrating. i still cannot believe that in 21st century, in the city in the
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center, these things can happen. third thing is, it shows you putin will never stop. he will go through each and every war crime that is possibly there to move with his main goal to restore the russian empire. he was very adamant about this. so there's no peaceful negotiation with him that could take place because how can you agree with somebody on something if it has been the fifth or sixth attempt to vacate people from mariupol, and every single time and every attempt, he gave us his word that they would pass free, and every single time those martyrs and children hiding behind their mommies just to get to water or food, and russian soldiers were shooting at them. they were firing their guns at them. so we're going to be talking about peaceful negotiations, so
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if he cannot keep his word letting people out of the besieged cities, what do world leaders have to trust putin with major things, like world security. he's a tyrant and a crazy person and a war criminal. he's destroying peaceful people. he's destroying civilians for his own sake with no purpose. we cannot make up any particular purpose but the internal propaganda in russia. when i looked at the pictures and the videos, the only thing i felt is rage. my fellow ukrainians, my people, also feel the same. this is why we are going to be fighting to have the freedom to be openly talking about what's going on, to be able to not be
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told of how we should feel or do or how we should act, and this is what we are fighting for. there's going to be no such mariupol anywhere else, and there will be no disconnection with russia anymore, not any in the future. you see it clearly, we don't want this in our cities. we don't want him, and we don't want russia or anything to do with it. and we never did. just for this particular reason. >> we're looking at images from inside mariupol right now, they're showing people underground, children dancing to parents trying to keep their kids' spirits up, which any parent would do in that situation. we are seeing the damage. we are seeing people lining up for water. we have heard horror stories in that city about mass graves and about a 6-year-old dying of
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dehydration. it's awful. is there anything that the ukrainian government can do right now to try and figure out a humanitarian corridor? is it possible for the ukrainian government to come to an agreement with the russians that anybody can trust at this point so many days in, or do you need more? do you need other countries to get involved? >> we do need other countries to be involved. as you have seen, the issue, the tragedy of mariupol is it's constantly being bombarded. this is why we have been begging for a no-fly zone or any variation of it. jets, additional air force protection. whatever -- whatever is in the world's hands to give us so we
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can protect our cities from the tragedy that is happening there. because once we are protected from the air then it's easier to fight them on the ground. we are very good at fighting russians on the ground, and then we can free the city. the only way that we can for sure get people out of there is to free the city. we have been fighting with putin for eight years. we know that this is exactly his tactics. he loves shooting people in the humanitarian convoys. i talked to one of the ukrainian generals and he said this is the last thing i would ever do is go with the convoy that putin said he's fine with, because i would know that this is 100% death. >> you say he can't be trusted. you know what we have seen so far, we're seeing the bombings. again, i talked to the deputy mayor of mariupol yesterday, day
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five, and trying to get people out, day six, and nobody has been able to get out of that city and it looks absolutely, as the red cross has said, apocalyptic there. thank you for being with us. thank you. that's all i can say, i guess. thank you. still ahead, more on the russian strikes on hospitals across ukraine. the executive director of doctors without borders will give us the situation on the ground. from battle to ballet, i should say, stories of ukraine ballet dancers that left the spot line for the front lines. and tens of thousands of russians are leaving their homeland behind. ♪ everybody dance now ♪ ♪♪ ♪ everybody dance now ♪ get 5 boneless wings for $1.
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get to. it's not actually in the hospital and maternity ward rubble from yesterday but the rubble of a fire station also in mariupol. we're watching and monitoring and will bring you any details, any news, as we get it. in the meantime, as the russians do try and plow through that city of mariupol, the next major city near the black sea is getting ready, odesa. you heard courtney kube talking about this a moment ago, they have stacked sandbags in the streets and build barricades preparing for an attack that could come by land or by sea. joining me is a woman that advised the military for ten years. ana, it's very good to see you. give me the latest from odesa right now. >> thank you for the invitation.
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you know, it seems calmer when you compare it to other areas of ukraine, and that's a strange feeling. as for now odesa is prepared to have the defense forces around the town, but the military and defense air forces on high alert. it has not had the heavy shelling like in the first days, but there are attempts for shelling from the ships. the russian government may have had the intelligence, and the issue is that you have been talking about the possibility of the amphibious operation, and
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you need to understand all the beaches around the town, it's approximately 40 kilometers, all of them are mined just for now, so you cannot land from the sea you need to have the support from the land. these supports are possible only to other cities on the way from crimea would be taken. as for now we see that even though it's occupied, it's a very strong opposition people coming to the protest, and there's high moral support from the locals, and time from time the shellings are coming there but still the city is not occupied. >> there's 44 million or so in ukraine, or before the war, and 2 million have evacuated and that leaves still quite a few people left in the country. give me a picture of what is
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going beyond the cities? >> well, it's a little exaggeration, because russians are not controlling the cities, they did not manage to occupy any cities except mariupol, and only trying to use the long-range missiles to attack these cities. however, when you look to the map like most of the ukrainian and displaced people move to the west of ukraine. it's not only lviv, but it's towns around there, and those cities as for now are considered as safe. also some people have been trying to move all the way between kyiv in odesa in the smaller towns that we have over there, and so not all people are trying to escape just outside of the country.
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definitely first of all people are trying to find the securer and safety within the country. at the same time we definitely see predominantly women with small kids are trying to leave the country when it's still possible. but the road from odesa to the northern border, that's just 50 kilometers, and it's the trains, all of them are to the west of ukraine. in other towns, people are trying to live their life. schools announced on monday they will have online education for kids to try and keep them out of the bad news but to have the regular school program. >> it's surreal. ana, i have one other quick question, and that's what you know about the russian advance. i know it's about to get very, very cold across the country, especially to the northeast.
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what would that mean for russian soldiers and tanks? >> definitely, usually march would prefer good weather, and i am joking for the first time but i am happy for the cold and windy march. in odesa, we had minus 3 today, but on the north it's colder and it's snow. if we have snow, that sometimes happens in march in ukraine, it means a problematic move for the tanks because tanks are not only bad in mud but also in snow. it's also bad for the land forces because they cannot move and definitely for the supply, and we know the russian armed forces have difficulties with supplies with forces on the ground, and also the problems with food. they are trying to save it to use it just a little bit because of no sufficient supply, and with such a cold weather and the
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conditions with the tanks and proper supplies, it would be a problem for them to be stabled there, and also for those who ran to the forest. let's be honest. we have reports about the russian forces that after ukrainian attacked are now hiding in the forest, so for them that can be extremely dangerous if the cold weather is coming. >> tanks become freezers on wheels. thank you for being with us, ana. the russian military targets populated areas where women and children are trapped. also later, the ukrainian ballet dancers have given up the stage to take up arms. esemme one step stylers. five professional benefits. one simple step. totally effortless. styling has never been easier.
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mariupol's maternity and children's hospital, including a 6-year-old. a reporter captured the terror that followed that strike. >> reporter: the sound of it was caught on camera. what it did almost beyond words. mariupol's maternity hospital destroyed by a russian strike. in a city under siege, in an already-barbaric war, this is an atrocity on a different scale. everything is okay, the soldier tells the boy. in the chaos, panic as they fear another attack. >> a new video message, a tearful president zelenskyy called the attack a war crime and urged more help from the west. the russian ministry called the
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attack fake, and they said this video was information terrorism from the west, and according to the ministry, 63 hospitals have been targeted or destroyed so far. and joining me is a doctor from doctors without borders and has been reporting back about the rapidly deteriorating conditions there. what is your team telling you? >> it's incredibly heartbreaking. we are extremely concerned about our long-time ukrainian colleagues that are trapped. they are sheltering in mariupol along with many others. this is an important coastal city. half a million people there. it has been surrounded and bombarded almost relentlessly with artillery weapons.
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shops have not much to sell in the way of food or pharmacies, and they are running out of supplies, and there's no water, and they are emptying water boilers to get a bit of water. so the risks here are atrocious, and the main thing we would like the see is safe passage for anybody that chooses to leave. to leave mariupol should be a choice. there should be safe passage. you hear about the humanitarian corridors. they have not worked so far and that's the essential concern we have. >> we heard so much about the hospital and the town that mariupol. what about the rest of the country? >> well, we have been in touch with doctors and nurses trying
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to provide medical care and they are telling us they are seeing an increasing number of injured people, people with more wounds, shrapnel wounds. they are urgently in need of surgical materials to be able to operate on people and save lives. it's crucial the supplies get there as quickly as possible and that's why even before the war when there was a lot of speculation we prepositioned supplies, and those have run out so since last weekend we have been bringing in lots of supplies and having them districted sometimes by the ministry of health in kyiv out to hospitals still functioning but are desperately in need. >> thank you so much for being with us today. thank you for everything that you and your team do. it's so important not just in ukraine but across the world, frankly. thank you for being with us. >> anytime. dancers with the kyiv city ballet got a standing ovation after a performance in paris this last week.
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it's the last show in a french tour that left most of the company stranded. back in kyiv, the national opera and ballet have closed the doors and they are taking up fighting in ukraine. >> back home their country torn apart by war. now some of ukraine's premiere ballet dancers swapped their tutus and slippers for guns and fatigues, putting their life's work on hold to defend their country. of course i am scared says this artist, i am not a military person but i could not just sit on the sidelines and observe. just days ago alexi was a principle dancer in his prime and now a military paramedic. his life as an artist, a distant memory. i don't even think about ballet,
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he says. it seems like another life. one other dancer said our test prepared us for war, and ballet teaches you to have a strong spirit, she says. her husband died fighting for ukraine, and she armed herself to protect herself and son and country. the most important thing now is for the war to end with our victory. across ukraine, opera houses and theaters are closed. >> for now it's not time for performance on a stage. now we have performance on our streets. we have bombs. >> it was the night before the war began when he danced, and now he's building anti-tank hedge hogs. >> you think you will dance again? >> 100% i go back again. >> for now ballet stands by
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upset. i have already heard about several of my friends and colleagues who already left or they are trying, desperately trying to leave. >> everything is going to be more expensive, first of all. the second, we can't travel, we can't -- no, we can't buy what we want so everything will be difficult. >> i just wanted to say that please do not hate us, russians, for this war. we never wanted it. i feel ashamed. >> facing life with crippling sanctions. tens of thousands of russians are leaving their homeland. the people you just heard from are heading to neighboring finland on packed trains, and those who can find a flight are
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heading to aur meana. both of my friends, western educated men aged in their 30s spoke of paralyzing fear when clearing passport control in moscow. a number of travelers have been questioned by border guards and asked to unlock their phones. both men deleted their chats and any applications that marked them out as opposition minded. anything you say is a treason in russia right now, one of them said. on telegram, the only social media still operating on russia, the operator and chief resigned in protest of the invasion, telling her followers, our grand dads did that fight for this. 13,000 people have been detained and about 150 russian cities for protesting since the start of
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the war. one woman in moscow told mother jones, on every street every five meters there's a policeman that stops us. joining me, the deputy head of the fbi office in moscow from 2012 to 2014. he's the founder of trench coat advisers. tell me about what we are seeing come out of russia right now? a fleeing middle class. what is that going to mean? >> thanks for having me. i think what it means, i think we need to look closer who you are talking to, western educated english speaking. unfortunately that's not the typical russian. so the individuals who are protesting in moscow and st. petersburg are in many ways the elite, and the intelligence that have been there and have problems with the regime. a large majority of people
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continue to support putin. they depend on him for -- they depend on him for a lot of the economic well-being, and they recall a time not too long ago in the 1990s when things were economically chaotic, so while there are individuals leaving, we shouldn't necessarily take that as indicative of the entire feeling within russia itself. i think we are looking at a group and not necessarily the typical person. >> i want to ask you about what we have been hearing about in the past day and a half how, and this is a potential false flag operation within ukraine using chemical weapons. we heard the russians talk about how the ukrainians have been manufacturing chemical weapons, and our intelligence says that's not true. we have seen the cycle in the past where the russians start pointing at somebody else saying they are doing something that the russians are about to do. >> yes, so this is the typical
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operation they run, and chemical weapons are troubling and to draw atensions, where russia has accused ukraines of creating a potentially dirty bomb. i think that -- you have to think about who their audience is in many ways. some is for internal consumption, and some are to give people supporting russia cover to show there's a different narrative out there. they don't believe they will convince the typical person out there with this. i think it's something that we should be very concerned about. you look at how putin ran these operations in syria and in georgia. they will grind it out and are determined to alleviate the threats, as they see it. they will continue to push on that in any number of ways, so i
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would not take those things off the table. they are absolutely on the table. attacking civilians and maternity wards, that's absolutely part of the playbook to cause terror and increase the refugee crisis and destabilize ukraine and the countries around ukraine. >> 2 million people fleeing into other countries is quite a lot, and is hard to handle. it would be even harder to handle if more started coming over. i remember something like 44 million people were in that country before the war started. holden, thank you so much for being with us and we appreciate your expertise. bowing to international pressure, mcdonald's vowed to shut the restaurants in russia over the, quote, unspeakable suffering in ukraine. others may be asking what possible difference could it make in kyiv if somebody in moscow can't buy a burger? symbolically, it's much more than that.
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here's why. when the first mcdonald's restaurant open in moscow on january 31st, 1990. it was to incredible fanfare. this is file footage. the golden arches were an american icon. the restaurant was a mile from the kremlin and russians lined up by the thousands to get in. "the washington post" dug into its archives and found its front page story. it was a splash of color in the middle of a gray city, and the mcdonald's in the square is a piece of americana in a communist setting. by the time the mcdonald's opened for business at 10:00 this morning, there was already a 500-yard line outside the door. militia men stood by to prevent a riot. in the ussr at that moment a meal at mcdonald's was not
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cheap. a big mac costs the average russian 2 1/2 hours of wages. a guardian writer recalled taking an overnight train to moscow saying once upon a time three decades ago the mcdonald's in try you will -- triumph of the joyce of capitalism. today those restaurants which represented the end of the cold war are closing as russia attacks ukraine and spurs talks of a second cold war. russia's economy is at a free fall, and we have never seen a moment like this when there's an iron curtain falling on both sides of russia's border. coming up next, inflation hits a 40-year high driving up the cost of everything from eggs to gasoline. gasoline just one step? introducing new tresemme one step stylers. five professional benefits. one simple step. totally effortless. styling has never been easier. tresemme. do it with sty
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does not factor in the spike in oil and prices since the start of russia's war. the price of a gallon of regular today is 4.32. another new national record. joining me now from jackson, wyoming, is nbc news business tech correspondent joeling kent. a lot of this is because of covid, the supply chain disruption. for a long time nobody wanted gasoline. production went down, and suddenly everybody needed gasoline, and production didn't ramp up at the same rate. >> reporter: absolutely, and the 40-year highs of inflation we have been seeing over the past couple of months including just now in february is really going to continue a pace given what has happened geopolitically. it's a trifecta of issues that are affecting prices, and we're seeing the highest increasing ever in categories like baby food, lunch meat, furniture, even toys, and here in the mountain region of the united states, inflation is actually
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9.7% on average. almost 10%, that far out paces the national average, and this is impacting small businesses, especially restaurants who have to work through the supply chain, to get the chicken and the alcohol that they need. and we spoke to one business owner who's really feeling that, based on his suppliers, and here's what he told us, the albany restaurant, brian bow. >> we don't want to raise prices. we see it creeping up, see our margin getting smaller, and at some point something has to give. you have to take care of your guests and employees and take care of the business to make sure it's here in another 80 years. >> reporter: now president biden has reacted to this very challenging inflation number, 9.7%, right, and it's the number one issue for so many people as we approach the midterm elections right now, and he said this in part, a large contributor to inflation this
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month was an increase in gas and energy prices as markets reacted to putin's aggressive actions but a little fact check, inflation has been going up long before that. the invasion was february 4th, the very end of the month last month, so most of the big spikes in gas and energy prices that we have seen will actually be factored into the march cpi inflation report, and so that isn't completely correct in the broader context of what americans are spending and what small business owners are feeling on the ground. >> jo ling kent, thank you very much, and that's going to do it for me today, everybody. garrett haake picks up our coverage next. garrett haake picks up our coverage next.
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