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sesame. and on that note, i wish you a good night. from all of our friends and colleagues at nbc news, thanks for staying up late tonight, i'll see you on monday. ♪ ♪ ♪ it is 7:00, this is sky news breakfast and these are our top stories. moving towards kyiv, intelligence suggests the bulk of russia's -- forces are just 15 and a half miles from the ukrainian capital. russian forces get closer to kyiv, six people are injured in a missile strike in the east of the city. [noise] this was the scene as
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-- over the capitol earlier, the sunrise, gunfire and explosions echoing around the city. ukraine says russia is transitioning to a new stage of terror, as president zelenskyy accuses troops of kidnapping the mayor of the city melitopol. as ukraine continues to call for a no-fly zone, and more help from the west, president biden issues a stark warning on what that means. >> just understand and do not kid yourself, no matter what you all say, that is called world war iii. >> chelsea football club went into extra time, with potential borrowers given wartime together offers in, after roman abramovich, the owner, was sanctioned. and a look through the papers, with an anthropologist and former editor of the daily star.
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morning all, it is now more than two weeks since the invasion of ukraine. and new intelligence suggests that the bulk of russia's forces are just 15 and half miles from kyiv. new satellite imagery from maxar, a satellite company, suggests there is active firing of artillery towards residential areas, near the ukrainian capital. all this as presidents ski says that vladimir putin is moving to a new stage of terror, accusing russian forces of kidnapping the mayor of the city melitopol. let's take a look at the latest developments this morning. the ministry of defense says that russian forces are about 15 and a half miles from the center of the capital, as heavy fighting in the northwest of the city continues. the ukrainian foreign ministry has accused russian forces of
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kidnapping the mayor of melitopol, and presidents ellen ski says that putin is transitioning to a new stage of terror. president zelenskyy also claims that efforts to deliver aid to the besieged city of mariupol were again portrait after russian troops blocked humanitarian corridor's. ukrainian forces will try again later today to deliver food and medicine. all the ukrainians want is a no-fly zone. but president biden has reaffirmed his intention not to impose one, warning that a confrontation between nato and russia's world war iii. skies correspondent has more. >> for evidence russian forces are getting closer to the capital, look no further than these apartments and homes east of kyiv. tmensix people were injured in e strike here, dozens more have lost everything. newly-released images have shown russian advances on kyiv once again in the last 24
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hours. u.s. satellite company maxar say that captured troops actively firing artillery towards residential areas. and in what's thought to be the first kidnapping of unofficial, ukrainian authorities say the mayor of melitopol has been abducted by russian troops. this cctv footage shows a man being led away by force from the cities registry office. >> [interpreter] in melitopol, the mayor of the city, ivan fedorov was captured. he is a man who usually defends his community and people. they did not find any support in our land, though they counted on it. they have switched to a new stage of terror. >> while russia's attacks are widening across the country, the kremlin has a track record of using chemical weapons and concern is growing that that could be next.
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when the nerve agent sarin was used against people and saraya syria, the west failed to retaliate but the world watched on in horror. -- the un security council has voiced concerns that russia is creating a similar false pretext ahead of a chemical attack in ukraine. >> russia asked for today's meeting for the sole purpose of lying and spreading disinformation. and that is exactly what you have heard from the russian pr this morning. >> pressure is now on president biden to respond. but he has once again ruled out in forcing a no-fly zone. >> just understand, and don't kid yourself, no matter what you all say that is called world war iii, okay? >> the inescapable truth and all this is that the west cannot protect ukrainian people from this pain and suffering,
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unwilling to confront russia militarily for fear of a wider war in europe. it is unclear what point would see nato step in. but putin seems bent on testing this to its limits. sky news. >> as russian troops edge ever closer, kyiv has woken up once again to the soundtrack of war. [noise] as dawn broke over the ukrainian capital, gunshots and explosions could be heard. fighting has certainly intensified in the city suburbs week tween ukrainian and russian forces in recent days. joining us now is nick martin in odessa, of sky news. good to see you this morning, nick, but i suspect you and others close to you will be relatively perturbed by the fact that it does look like
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odessa may well be one of russia's next strategic goals. >> yes, good morning, niall, there was certainly -- one of vladimir putin's key targets. -- the jewel in the crown of the soviet union and it has been on vladimir putin's hit listened to the invasion began. it's a keyport here on the black sea, just at the southwest of the nation. and we know that fighting is drawing ever nearer. in fact, just a couple hours drive from here, near the key port city of mykolaiv, it was struck by shelling last night, it's been under constant bombardment for the past few days and that is another port city which would allow vladimir putin to cut off ukraine from the seizure tediously and militarily and economically. it would be part of his big plan. that so-called plan to bring around a new russia. and they are certainly
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defending themselves here in odessa. we were on the streets here yesterday talking to soldiers and civilians as they try to barricade this precious city, in their eyes, and on the beach we saw them sandbagging. 350,000 sandbags they made here, to try to protect shops and houses. and also they have been setting up humanitarian stations. while we were filming, and an air raid went off, we went into the basement and a guy played the guitar until the all clear had sounded. and so they are very worried in the city. more broadly, it is a more worrying picture, that slow movement from the northeast down to kyiv from russian forces, suggesting there on the offensive again. and there was an attack in kharkiv overnight. winter stand to children, a man and woman are -- finally, the refugee situation. those numbers are going up and
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up. when i came here just a few days ago, we were talking of 1 million and a half people fleeing. today we are talking that two and a half million people fleeing ukraine. and those numbers are going up by the day. yes, it is a savage, wore a savage invasion. but for the people who live here, whose lives have been turned upside down, all they can do is make this critical decision of whether to leave. and i don't know where they are going. or to stay and just try and ride it out. and that is a roll of the dice for the people of ukraine, as this offensive draws into a more worrying stage, niall some. >> it certainly feels like, nick, thank you. it cert>> let's get the latestn russia's tactics in the conflict, particularly the chances of vladimir putin opting to use chemical weapons. joining us now, former intelligence officer, philip. great to have you on. >> good morning. >> can we start with the
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concerns that we heard issued by the white house echoed by volodymyr zelenskyy and indeed the prime minister? the point the russian start talking about the other sides, using chemical weapons, that's often the point at which they use them themselves. >> it is. this is classic. classic playbook stuff. what we are seeing is what the russians did in grozny in 2008, bombarding the chechens until they surrendered. in syria, because they supported bashar al-assad because of that, and then helped him use chemical weapons to try and break the deadlock's. -- [inaudible] and with the russians putting out there misinformation, dimitri peskov putting out a meeting with the united nations, you have an extra impetus. so, that's why the uk and other intelligence have said that
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this is a strong precursor. [inaudible] >> still, do you think the chances of him using those weapons have been increased or decreased? by the tactic that has been deployed before, by the western allies? of publishing their intelligence, of preempting with the russians were going to do? it has worked pretty successfully. but talking about chemical weapons, do you think that that diminishes the possibility of their use? i >> think it diminishes their use. because i think you are calling it out beforehand. i think that chemical weapons, suggesting as a single incident, that that is why russia went into ukraine, but actually -- putin had a possibly deniable out when he was in syria, but charles assad saying, hey, it wasn't, it was hip. him. and then it takes him personally to the front of the
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international criminal court. and he is aware of that. so, he is very good at using information, using threats. so, he has got the ability to use it and that is what we should be concerned about and what we should be watching. but i don't think it's as credible as some of the commentators are bringing on, which is a good. thing >> indeed. philip, you don't need to be a defense analyst to know that the russian tactics to know that the russian plan is not gone entirely to plan. but i wonder what you make, then, of the way in which the ukrainians have been fighting this conflict, the tactics that they have deployed. it does, to my untrained eyes, seemed to be particularly effective. ed t>> it's a master class in defense, a master class of how the resolve of people -- you know, warfare is not about kit. we have seen commentators saying that they have x numbers, the russians have another number, but it is all about people. and it's a result of the
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ukrainian defenders, enhanced by the sophisticated weapon systems that have been supplied by the uk and other countries. [inaudible] they are having a massive effect against the russian military. and then the russian military being a lot weaker than a lot of commentators and analysts had thought. the logistics were actually terrible. but the ukrainian defenders are defending their homeland, defending the way of life. they are defending their families. whereas, the russians do not have a means of coming in. and that's what we are seeing from the pictures of those who have been captured. >> so, where does the conflict go next? a couple of weeks ago, in, fact i was speaking to someone -- about these matters, and they were suggesting about afghanistan in the 19 80s. that that is what the russians are going to end up doing. -- >> it does. the russians have been militarily been fixed by the ukrainian defenders. they have little space to maneuver. they don't have the logistics
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space to be able to get into the space for any period of time. the russians are not going to go anywhere. from a strategic perspective, putin has lost this, war full stop. there is no, wait no scenario where he can win, even if he topples the government inside kyiv, there is off of the ukrainian people and the international community will continue to destroy russia. so, there does not seem to be a path which allows him to come out to say face in any way, shape or form. so, the only two real solutions are some form of palace coup in moscow, and you get someone sensible hand suits for peace, or we are in for a long slog. forbut i think they are little tiny green shoots of the ukrainians possibly getting into a position where they can start to counterattack. and there comes a point where it may start to be a push to get the russians out. i do not think that they will ever generate the military mess
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needed to completely eject them. but they may be able to forfeit a lot more. >> finally, philip, and just on the topic of vladimir putin, what do you make of the fsb being placed under house arrest, that there have been significant generals removed. it doesn't scream of a man who is entirely happy. he is not happy, and you could see that in the change of his body language. the change in the way he's dealing with people. underneath everything, there is a little man who is absolutely furious. he's a rat that has been pushed into the corner he's bleeding and hurting because he has been attacked them all sides, he doesn't know where to turn. as soon as he starts to attack his own inner circle, which seems to be happening. unconfirmed reports -- there's a greater chance of his earners circled turn against him. that's where we can hope this will happen quickly. >> philip angle great to have you on the program.
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thanks for being with. us >> my pleasure. >> with russian troops repositioning moving ever closer to kyiv fighting and shelling is increasing across the country. -- the siege of -- humanitarian situations in both. also, of course, those reports that a psychiatric hospital was hit by a russian airstrike in kharkiv. to those, have been added fresh targets, the eastern city of dnipro, and ivano-frankivsk in the west. russian troops true seem to be refocusing their advance on kyiv. alex crawford has this report. >> russian tanks and other armored vehicles and an eastern suburb of give, now abandoned and damaged but gleefully driven by the ukrainians who ambushed them and pushed the troops into retreat. but this is demonstrable
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evidence that the russian military is on the move, and trying several different routes to get into the capital. the ukrainians are grasping this as an opportunity to emphasize just how capable they are of defending their main city. the drone footage released by ukraine's armed forces, is now being lauded as a tremendous military defense. in the, footage the russians come under repeated attack, with soldiers running for cover, and rockets frantically fired in this buildup area. it's the main eastern highway leading directly into the central of the capital. the battle has left military debris scattered all over the n95 road, which may also help in hindering russian progress. >> you can still see smoke in the distance, where the russian tanks managed to get to. they are trying to hold them back, but they are very worried that they're going to try to make a push from here, or again, drive down this main road into bovary. but >> the activity around the capitals outskirts, has
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definitely picked up over the past 24 hours. these pictures, filmed by a journalists with ukrainian soldiers, appeared to show the troops under fire, as they engage or russian counterparts, apparently in a village in the greater kyiv area. we were invited to see some of the casualties in bovary, a number of them children, including a 14 year old girl, shot while fleeing in a car with her family. the bullets hit her hand and shoulder. she is only a teenager, and was with her four-year-old brother, grandmother, and parents. >> [interpreter] we were driving down the main road for my grandmother's, she said, and they just started shooting at us. her father surigae, had part of his hand burned away. he and his family are lucky to survive. he told us, the russian troops seemed very panicky. [interpreter] to me they were scared, he said, and they shot everything that
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moved. the increased tension around the capitol, and soldiers are wary of everyone. they suspected russian saboteurs maybe posing as journalists. and they are on the hunt for one in particular. the hospital staff are edgy to, and i've found themselves treating some schultz old years. overwhelmingly, their patients are civilian casualties. >> it's very hard, physically and emotionally, he says, to see young people being crippled and dying for no reason. satellite pictures appear to show the huge russian military convoy repositioning, apparently regrouping to encircled the capital, before launching a prolonged attack on the city center. probably, within days. but the man with hero status in ukraine, for raising millions to support their armed forces, insists they are ready. >> we will fight from every window, we will fight from every basement, we have enough anti-tank missiles, thanks for
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our allies from the united kingdom, from the united states. so, they will lose tanks, every street, every block. every crossroads. >> there are more and more barricades going up in and around the capitol. they are digging trenches, and this is in the middle of the city although we are not showing the location for security reasons. either way, soldiers and civilians are preparing for either attack or siege. they have created a whole network of these trenches. as much as protection, but also from where they can meant fighting positions. they've been taken on russian troops are on several points on the edges of the capital, but there is a growing expectation that the city is heading into a very grim few days or weeks. alex crawford, sky news, kyiv. >> sky news understands that
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bidders for chelsea football club have been extra and see in their desire to submit offers, following the british government's decision to sanction roman abramovich, all this following a turbulent day at stanford bridge, after a report that it had several of his bank accounts temporarily suspended. jacqui is here to talk us through the latest. as we were discussing last night, there is no shortage of interest in parties, the longer this goes on, the more difficult because for the club. >> absolutely, because if you just look at their wage bill, for example, that's 28 million pounds. they can still receive tv money at the moment, but they can't use that money to pay wages. they can't sell tickets, other than the tickets they've already sold to season ticket holders and presold tickets. so where do you raised 20 million pounds on a monthly basis, if you if you're not -- >> sofas.
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>> i don't know what kind of sauvé you have, but i don't have anything like that behind my sofa. they can't even sell programs, which they parted for tomorrow's match against newcastle, but they can employ a seller to sell them. so how do you even get rid of the programs for tomorrow? it's sort of a ludicrous situation, when you've got players as well who are out of contract at the end of the season, there's a bunch of them, including cesar has been a quetta their future is now in doubt. how do you start negotiating for those deals. you've got players like mason matthews, who might have expected a better till the end of the season, we have been a start for them. how do you negotiate that? we'll players who came to the academy, who might have been given contracts at the end of the season. do those star players, that they have pumped so much money into, and train since they were kids, do those players then go to another club? what happens to the academy? that costs money to run. that was set up by abramovich, to create a sort of breeding great of europa players.
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which is doing. that's expensive. there are so many expenses, and how did they meet them? they've been given 20,000 pounds of a budget for away matches, but that's not enough to get them to lyon for next week and back for their champions league match, though they say some of these things have been paid for upfront. 500,000 pounds per match day will actually -- a normal match day would cost 1 million pounds, so they will have to close parts of the ground, because they won't be able to steward it and have the right center production there. all of this is such an uncertain future in the short term, and thomas to go who's talking disguise words yesterday said, it is very difficult sometimes to think about football with all this going on. >> to understand the situation, it's very difficult to see where it's going, where it is heading. it's maybe impossible. so, in the end, we stick to the
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mantra to live in the moment, and warship where we are. it's not easy, but it's out of our control. it makes things sometimes more difficult, but sometimes also, maybe easier to accept that we cannot do anything in the moment, and to wait and constantly adapt. >> they need to get it sorted out soon, don't they? >> they do. you asked on the question what does it mean to lead. we think they're gonna be able to finish the season, -- they don't want to see the club go to the ground. this is a proud, proud long-standing part of the community, they don't want to punish fans, that's not where they're punishing here. what's interesting is, and stop chanting robin abramovich's name, he brought them five champagnes cups -- of the reigning world cup club champions. so many titles and under 20
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years. they've been told to stop chanting his name. do you think that is going to make a difference, when they play newcastle tomorrow? you can take a guess. >> i think it might make it more likely. >> i think it will probably make it more likely. he, however, is nowhere to be seen. he is long gone. >> jacquie beltrao, thank you very much indeed. there you, are still to come on breakfast, as millions continue to flee the war in ukraine. the pressure increases on his neighbors, to house refugees, we'll have the latest, next. have the latest, next. . once-weekly trulicity is proven to help lower a1c. it lowers blood sugar from the first dose. and you could lose up to ten pounds. trulicity is for type 2 diabetes. it isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. it's not approved for use in children. don't take trulicity if you're allergic to it, you or your family have medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2. stop trulicity and call your doctor right away if you have an allergic reaction, a lump or swelling in your neck,
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do something that is contributing to a better future. so far, more than two and half million people have fled ukraine since the russian invasion. an exodus that is contributing to a growing humanitarian
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crisis, both within ukraine, and in its neighboring countries. one of those, poland, has seen more than 1 million and a half refugees arrive in the past two weeks. the pressure of helping the such numbers, it's starting to be felt by the authorities. from the polish capital of warsaw, skies lisa holland reports. >> i've already said, this is what we organized temporarily. >> this is just one of the dozens and dozens of refugee shelters being set up in warsaw. a welcome camp bed after the bunkers and the bombs and the days of travel. >> ukraine, i love you. i love you. >> they long to be home. but family after family tells of the trauma of escaping war. >> yulia the struggle to reach kyiv train station with the daughter, who has epilepsy, anderson, who is autistic. >> [interpreter]
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what can i say, she says. it was so hard to hold my children's hands in case they fell, and carry the luggage. her 11-year-old, she reveals, is recovering from an operation, after being born with deformed feet. she got here guiding one of her children, who is barely able to walk. others at the shelter in need medical help. a young girl is on a drip, dehydrated after the exhaustion of the journey to poland, now made by 1 million and a half people. >> the problem now, because so many refugees have come to the polish capital -- because the authorities are so stretched, they are having to provide more permanent accommodation, or bus people to other polish cities. this refugee crisis is defined as an exodus of women and children. across the city, there are makeshift nurseries to
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entertain youngsters. and women distraught that they left husbands, brothers and fathers behind in ukraine. anna has left her husband in kyiv. she also has to contend with a mother in law in russia, who refuses to accept why she has fled to poland. >> she said, oh, it's just -- it's little, not a big situation. just a little. i said, mom, we have no house. russians destroyed the house! >> across poland, thousands of people who have no -- name across is we are taking in refugees. english teacher, victor johnson, and his wife offered a home to this family, martha and her grandchildren. both of her parents are still in ukraine. >> i did not speak to marta before she came here, she just turned up in a car.
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so we did high fives and hugs, invited them in. and that was the most important thing, that they felt safe and secure. we >> asked roman how he is settling in, all things considered. >> nice. >> just one example of the kindness of strangers in the midst of war. lisa haaland, sky news, warsaw. >> as the war in ukraine heads into a third weekend, companies are continuing to cut their ties in russia. the latest, cigarette maker, american tobacco. let's get more on this. charlotte is in the news room and covering the story with us. good to see, charlotte. just how much business did american tobacco do in russia? i suspect it would be a fair amount. >> yes, it will be a blow. the owner of those brands, such as lucky strike cigarettes, has
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now decided to pull out of the country and its reasons for this decision, it said, are because of its ethos and values. just two days ago, british american tobacco did say that -- well, it stopped short of actually halting its sales. but now it seems to have changed its mind and done a u-turn. now it says its operations in the country are no longer sustainable in view of the current environment. but it has said that it does hope to secure the future employment of its around 2000 staff in russia. this is just one of a long list now of global firms that are pulling out of russia. british american tobacco joins the likes of coca-cola, mcdonald's and unilever in response to the ukrainian war. russia, for its part, won't be making it easy. they said they have plans, and are hoping to be able to seize the assets of western companies
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leaving the country. they have also said that they are warning -- they could find legally viable ways to seize international firms. >> charlotte, thank you. still to come on "sky news breakfast", we will hear from two women who are raising money to help black students escape ukraine. after reports that some face racism. ce racism
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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ welcome back, let's remind you as to our top stories. moving towards kyiv, intelligence suggests that the bulk of russia's ground forces are just 25 kilometers from the capital. ukraine says russia is transitioning to a new stage of terror, as president zelenskyy accuses troops of kidnapping
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the mayor of the city of melitopol. and president biden says that american intervention in a no fly zone over ukraine would result in world war iii. a group of women have raised more than 95,000 pounds to help hundreds of black students flee ukraine, as russia's invasion continues. karine is one of those involved and has firsthand involved. karine and others say they and counted racism when trying to get out of ukraine and make their way across the border. karine joins us now, as well as the barrister pitch at daily, it's lovely to have you both on the program. patricia, i hope you don't minds spend a little bit of time to speak to kareem karine to get her story.
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-- >> i was a second year medical student, studying medicine, there is quite a large african community in ukraine, and they often study for medicine and other professions, as it's very affordable. >> so, tell us about the thoughts that must have been going through your mind, as vladimir putin went to invade the country and you started to consider, well, do i need to get out of the country or not? how did you make that decision? >> -- that russian troops were going to invade ukraine, the news we were getting in ukraine was that it was generally fake news. and that it was not going to happen. so, when it actually happened that day, i woke up and i was on twitter. and there was an announcement that kyiv had been bombed. i was shocked. and was in complete disbelief. because we had the assurance from the government to ukraine that nothing was going to happen.
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and it was just fearmongering. but to actually see it happen in realize, and have this change by the minute, and have it progressively get worse, it was scary and shocking. >> so tell us, then korrine, about the treatment and racism that you experienced as you are trying to get out of the country. as you, say it has a large black population, and i was speaking to one black student from nigeria, yesterday, who was there, and described ukraine as his second home. so, how would you treat it? give us some specifics if you can. prior to the war breaking out. i think the student community, we tended to just stay with other students, we don't really mix that often. i think some of the older students, who had been in ukraine longer, some of them go on to mary ukrainians. but generally, the student population they stay within other students. so i never really experienced racism prior to the war. so when the war broke out, and
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we actually finally got into the ukrainian side of the border, i started experiencing racism. i was simply in shock and disbelief because i thought, it's such a serious situation, the last thing you would expect people to do is to be racist. so this is why, patricia and i came together to start fundraising. we thought, you know, fleeing war is scary enough, but the additional layer of not having to face racism into discrimination, is just unacceptable. >> well let's bring in patricia, at this point, patricia thank you for being quite so patient. how did you yourself get involved. pretty clearly, it strikes me that there are perhaps quite a lot of people like korean and situations similar to hers. trying to get out of ukraine and experiencing the same type of a totally abhorrent behavior, as they're trying to do so. >> originally when i started to get involved because i heard
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that morning that they had bombed a nursery, so it was the children who are fleeing ukraine, whose lives have been turned upside down. a quick twitter search, because if you want to keep up to date sometimes with what's happening in the world, twitter is the best platform to do so. when i was on twitter, i saw there is a lot of black students in ukraine, expressing that they are suffering discrimination as they try to cross the borders. they were not being allowed to get on trains, buses, so i saw korrine's tweet, and i decided to reach out to her, because she was on twitter, so i thought she'd be a credible source to find out what was happening on the ground. and what we could do to support her, and the people who have been -- >> so patricia, you raise a significant amount of money. explain exactly how that money is used to help people get out of the country. >> so, initially when we first started, korrine was actually
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using personal bonds from her account to distribute to the students that were fleeing, and she would send this for transportation, it's because what we quickly found when we start to fund-raise. is that tax prices, train prices, have been hiked up three times more than with the syrians would usually play when they were attempting to get to the borders. so when we first started, initially, this is what we found useful, to give students transportation to get to the borders as soon as possible, regardless of how much the cost was. after this new inside crossed the borders, we found that there is a need for them to be accommodated. so we reduced it to them in accommodation, they would only be allowed to stay at the hostile, the emergency house bill for just a day, so we had to now navigate and find a way to accommodate them for longer, so they're able to figure out whether next up they're gonna be. so generally, it's been for transportation, and accommodation, and now we've
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been moving forward and things are settling in for the students. we found that they need food, and some of them have medical needs such as, we have one student who had a family, and he was suffering from sickle cell, and he did not have the funds to buy the usual medication that he would need to stop his son from having a crisis. >> oh dear, and just a final word then from you, korrine, i obviously you've managed to make it out, and we are very pleased that you have. i just wonder what your thoughts are, of ukraine if what you are seeing on the television, reading in the papers, seeing on your phone every day, the violence, perhaps even the war crimes that are being perpetrated on the people of ukraine. what do you think of that? >> throughout this whole experience i've just said, when it comes to the politics in relation to war, that's not really my limits, i just wanted to go back to humanity and remember that were all people at the end of the day.
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a crisis like this, we really need to band together and show, we have each other's back, and really uplift the spirit of community. so, we will continue to do our best to ensure that we can help other people. but i think, everybody who is part of the global community, just remember, no, matter what's, we are all people. >> korrine sky, patricia dailey, thank you so much for participating in this, we appreciate your time. as the time just transported, eight still to come on the program, we will be taking another look at the papers that the anthropologist mariana hotter, and the former editor of the daily star. join us. tar. join us.
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>> time once again to take a
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look at the papers today. we are joined by marianne, anthropologist, and former editor of the daily star. ukrainian spies, there is -- >> some of the front pages are not full of joy and optimism, certainly, aren't they? this is putin's plot to blackmail the world. you can see that. stockpiling corpses of dead ukrainian soldiers, evidence of a false played operation at renewable. that's what ukrainian officials are claiming. [inaudible] radioactive waste in what would amount to a terrorist attack, basically, and then blame the ukraine for doing so. the theory is that the west would be then less sympathetic to what the ukrainians are doing and not send so much help
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to them. but this is -- it's denied on both sides, obviously. it is counter claim and claim, an awful lot of propaganda going on. but where we are, chernobyl, everyone obviously remembers it from 1986, the horse happening there. there is no one allowed now in from the cranium side, supposedly, to maintain the nuclear reactors properly. the russians are supposedly looking after it. but the ukrainians have been held captive there. and so we have only enough -- to keep the containment of the nuclear reactor safe and -- for 48 hours. so, the whole thing with, us i'm at an age where i can remember growing up the nuclear threat hanging over us. and being told at school not to worry if the nuclear sirens went off, we would have time to get home with our parents. and prop the door up to be safe
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from a nuclear attack. i think this war, the horrific war we are seeing in europe, it's -- as marianne said earlier, we used to have our holidays, a flight away from the uk. and the whole nuclear threat in europe is what is terrifying are now. this is what's the one kremlin is talking about. that we will let him carry on invading. >> my list is slightly dodgy. g7 or jets? -- the g7 have agreed to break off trade ties with trade ties with russia, so russia will not be able to -- knock that they have been able to complete business as usual. but this really cement it. and it goes hand in hand with
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the announcement from the eu leaders as well, with this side declaration, saying they are going to re-arm and also work to become sovereign, and independent as a bloc for food, security, and military. and energy as well, of course. i think one of the other things that this conflict has really made clear in our minds is how interconnected and how interdependent we are. and how much it's meant to turn off the taps and stop the ships from bringing oil. and the pipelines that crisscross the european land mass. it is incredibly hard to do that. you cannot do it overnight. it means that we still are paying russian money, even though we condemn what they are doing. so, of course there are other
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levers, like trade sanctions, being implemented. they will have a punishing impact on russian people, of course. impactthe big question is, how h does putin care about how much his own people are suffering? or will he say, okay, take it on the chin because i am pursuing this imperialistic strategy to expand great mother russia? i think the other thing we should not forget is that there is pro putin support. there are many people who are protesting the war in russia. but there are pro putin rallies that have been held in belarus, in serbia. it's not as simple as david and goliath. and that everyone is condemning russia. of course, trying to remain very silent on this recently. >> indeed. i think one thing that would almost necessarily follow, is the story at the front of the telegraph, is on whether there will be an increase to defense
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panic. whether it will go as far as the defense secretary, jeremy hunt, is suggesting, is another matter. -- >> yes, it is, obviously. and in the uk we spend 2.3% of our gdp, ghost mystic product, on defense. america spends 3.5%. and jeremy hunt point this out. he said that we are now in the situation which, let's be honest, we could have seen coming and -- he is now suggesting that we do need to concentrate on defense spending more. the interesting thing is that if you look back at figures a spending in this country, health spending is now 149.8 billion pounds. and that has been increasing, literally, from 1990, to every single year. and meanwhile, defense has actually gone down every single
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year. we are now spending 41.2 billion pounds, which sounds like an awful lot. but in the great scheme of things, it absolutely is not. and it is like -- well, trump was very, very vocal when he was president about how nato's defense spending -- and jeremy hunt is actually saying, okay, trump might [inaudible] but he had a point. really, we do need now, given how unstable europe is, -- it was very interesting when the -- the standing ovation, applauding. the hypocrisy going on there given the vast majority we're voting against increasing defense spending. >> we are going to have to leave it there. i'm so sorry, we are going to have to leave it. there mary-ann, bring back your story, for the u.s. being
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accused by russia of using. birds dawn, we will see you shortly. but we have the very latest as russian forces continue that slow advance on kyiv. advance on kyiv
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