more than 235,000 coming here into hungary. i'm at a train station into which they're coming. you're hearing the announcement of a fact the train has just come in headed to ukraine but we're going to have a train coming in from ukraine in about a half hour. in the last few hours alone, ukraine said 14 humanitarian corridors are open within the country. previous corridors and humanitarian cease-fires quickly collapsed due to ongoing russian attacks. also in the last few hours, russia's deputy foreign minister told stay-run media that russian views convoys of foreign arms in ukraine as possible, quote, legitimate targets despite ongoing logistical and operational setbacks and fierce ukrainian resistance. russia continues to get closer to and circling the capital kyiv. russia continues to attack civilians across the country as well. it's begun strikes in civilian areas and cities far from the front lines of the main fighting including in dnipro, located in

central ukraine and other sites in western ukraine along the nato border, including one 120 miles from where i am in hungary. the key southern city of mick lieia remains under seas, with new strikes hitting a cancer hospital, shopping center and cafe according to the ukrainian government. in a new statement the ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy said the mayor of a town in southern ukraine has been forcibly abducted by russian forces. and mass civilian deaths are expected. the city has been under constant attack and cut off electric electricity, water, gas, food, medical and other supplies for more than a week and all communications with the city are essentially cut off, something i've had confirmed by refugees i met from that area. they can't contact their families back home. residents have been told to place bodies of the deceased, family, friends, neighbors in

the street, hands tied, to hopefully be picked up for burial in mass graves. ukrainian officials say more than 1,500 people have died in the city, although one local government official says a death count and body retrieval is now impossible because the shelling has not let up for long enough. it's the sight of russia's recent attack on a maternity ward, one of at least 26 medical facilities russia struck, a multitude of attacks russia claims didn't happen. attacks on medical facilities, by the way, are war crimes. at a u.n. security council meeting yesterday, the russian ambassador also falsely stated, quote, we did not start this war, while attacking to add validity to a false claim being made without evidence by russia and now by china that the u.s. and ukraine were working on biological weapons and were also planning to use birds and bats to spread disease. u.s. and washington officials fear those allegations, while false, may be used by russia as a pretext to use chemical or

biological weapons themselves in ukraine and to continue russia's brutal attacks. president biden said yesterday russia would pay a, quote, severe price if they used chemical weapons while also, quote, reiterating his stance that the u.s. will not get involved in a direct way in ukraine adding, quote, we will not fight the third world war in ukraine. diplomatic attempts to end the war don't appear to be making much public headway with russian foreign minister sergey lavrov denying falsely his country invaded ukraine at all. there's some uncertainty among the west about what more can or should be done. we are all bearing witness on a daily basis to the worst horrors of the war, the interviews, bees of tape, homes being burned, people dyeing in the street, it's all happening. the building question of the moment is what the world chooses to do about it and when right is ultimately done, will it have been done in time? joining me now is msnbc's molly

hunter, who is in lviv, ukraine. molly, the u.n. said 14 are in place and you're tracking these evacuations? >> that's right and to follow up on your point, we can't say we didn't know. we've seen the evidence and we've seen the pictures, in addition to all of the social videos coming out of places like mariupol. but because of that and constant bombardment, no humanitarian quarter has been able to get communication, everyone is completely cut off, no food, water, medical supplies. ali, we've been in touch with icrc who has staff inside of that city. we were getting audio clips last week and we have not heard from them. we are following up to see if they heard from their team and because of no 3g, no coverage, no electricity to even charge their devices. but, you're right, 14 new corridors. we've seen no evidence that the humanitarian convoys that have been trying to get into there

with life-saving aid. the good news we just saw pictures, ali, of 20 buses out of bouchia dropping people off into 9 city getting food and much-needed medical supplies. but here in lviv, the western part of the city, we are following a different kind of humanitarian corridor. this morning we're at a specialist children's hospital. we've been speaking to families there. these are some of the most vulnerable children in the entire country. today the hospital coordinated an evacuation for dozens of families and little kids to head to the polish border to the next stop on their journey out. ali, take a look. >> we meet 7-year-old sofia four days after she was ripped away from her home near kyiv and her nurse has been by her side for the last two years. with her lollipop, she's receiving dialysis, awaiting a kidney transplant.

it took her 24 hours to bring sofia and 14 other very sick children by train from kyiv to lviv and that's betty cuozzo, who also traveled from kyiv. the western ukrainian special ed children's medical center is overrun. it is 9 triage hub for the country. dr. olena runs the pediatric ward. "learning your child has cancer is the worst day of a mother's life" she explains. >> but this situation when they must leave her town -- >> reporter: "but having a child with cancer amid a cruel war is a hell no one should have to endure." single mom inas' 8-year-old son was diagnosed with blood cancer february 6th and then the war started. three days ago they fled the besieged city of kharkiv in an ambulance. >> translator: it was full-scale war.

everything was bombed. we were living in the basement all of the time. >> reporter: what does it feel like as a mother just to have all of this out of your control? "i have to be strong," she says. i'll do whatever it takes to get him the treatment he needs." but the logistics are complicated. the doctor and her team staying in lviv are partnering wa st. jude's children hospital to get children out of the country. >> we cannot go abroad. we must stay here. >> reporter: for ukraine and for brave little children like sofia, who won't stop fighting either. ali, we were at the hospital this morning and saw a lot of children coming out. some could walk on their own with their mothers and a lot of people evacuated from the east without their parents. nurses came. we spoke with one nurse who brought 15 kids from kyiv. it took them 24 hours, including little sofia, who you just saw in that piece. but we did say hi to ina, the mother you saw, and waved

good-bye this morning. we will stay on their story. they're heading to poland for another triage and we will follow up to see where they head from there. ali? >> molly, it's devastating, the idea children with these diseases or needed dialysis treatment needed on a regular basis on any situation anywhere in the world that is so difficult, but to have it in a situation where that treatment is not readily available, i'm so grateful you're covering this story. molly hunter for us live in lviv, ukraine. we'll talk next hour. president biden yesterday issued a ban on u.s. imports of russian goods including vodka, diamonds and seafood and banned the exporting of certain high-end american goods. the u.s., along with the entire g7 is revoking russia's most favored trade status allowing goods traded and borrow money from institutions like the international monetary fund and world bank. in its ongoing effort to control the media and message, russia has banned instagram and seeking

to classify meta, facebook's parent company, as a, quote, extremist organization. more companies and banks are removing their businesses from russia, now including deutsche bank and fitch ratings. fitch ratings saying it foresees a, quote, imminent russian default on its debt. russia issued extreme capital controls and emergency measures meant to delay economic calamity, including keeping the moscow stock exchange closed and floating the threat of seizing assets and nationalizing companies and businesses that left. the specific threat rattled even some of russia's most powerful with russian magnet vladimir computer tannin saying it would bring russia back to 1917, the year of the bolshevik revolution. and putin downplayed the catastrophe saying, quote, the soviet union lived all the time under sanctions but it developed

and made colossal achievements, end quote. there's a lot about that sentence that is entirely out of context but we will discuss it now with the russian pro-democracy leader garry kasparov, chairman of the human rights foundation and founder and chairman of the renewed democracy initiative. he's also the author of multiple books including "winter is coming: why vladimir putin and the enemies of the free world must be stopped." garry, good to see you again under terrible circumstances. you made a point of saying stop talking about the fact that nato doesn't have a legal obligation to defend ukraine because ukraine is not a member state of nato. you're actually reflecting a sentiment that i hear much more commonly from viewers for instance, who say why are we worrying about the specifics of nato membership when a sovereign country has been invaded by an adversary? >> it's hard watching it without crying, so i still can't believe

it's 2022. it's 21st century and we see such acts of such crimes, it's like war crimes on an industrial scale. yesterday i had an interview, a live interview with a ukrainian channel interrupted six, seven times because of air raid sirens across the country and they had to announce, telling people to go to the shelters. you're right, yeah, technically there is no nato obligation to defend ukraine. but it's not just about our legal obligations, it's about moral obligations. nato has been built to defend democracy and promote democracy. and what's happening in ukraine now, it's not just a ukraine invasion anymore. i think putin is demonstrating to the world he can do whatever he wants. so it's no longer indiscriminate bombing, it's intentional

bombing, attacking city and targets just to spread horror. it's a containment of terror aimed at ukrainians -- brave ukrainians defending their cities. i think what's happening in mariupol now with the message to kyiv, that will happen to you. they use cluster bombs, they use the most powerful bombs only used to destroy underground bunkers and it's all against civilians. i think it's a matter of time before some kind of military confrontation happens between nato forces and russia because we're already at world war iii. putin said it many times. and now we can still engage him on our terms because ukraine are fighting and putin huge dance damages to russian invading forces. if they offer air support, the war can turn around. otherwise, we're waiting for putin to continue aggression and forcely be asked to engage on these terms already on nato

soil. >> and to your point, and i agree with you, by the way, it is impossible not to cry on a daily basis, whether it's this situation or other gruesome situations of displacement and attacks on people that we've seen in the last few years, but to your point, the things that america and nato are doing to avoid provoking vladimir putin more, they've already responded by saying that's a provocation. if we see convoys and military material coming in, we will treat that as an act of war and they will be seen as legitimate targets. what exactly are we dodging by not confronting russia directly? >> it's -- exactly. that's the right question because putin doesn't need reasons to escalate if he wants and he will escalate. and trying to avoid, you know, this confrontation is just sending putin a message of weakness. never in history can a dictator be stopped by weakness.

it's only strength. we have to forget about putin for a moment and think about generals and add admirals who have to carry his military orders. i think many will dodge their responsibilities to follow putin's order because they know the confrontation means they will be met by superior firepower and they will probably pay an instant price immediately. so, again, it's a rising simple fact, we are at war with vladimir putin. we need other means, economic, financial, blockade of russia, diplomatic isolation but it's just a matter of time before putin decides he can now actually take on nato. right now we can do more supporting brave ukrainians who are not just resisting but just, you know, penalized a russian army. but with so many civilians around so i think this war will continue and it's damaging for the image of democracy. we are watching, you know, from the front row the most powerful

military giant in history, watching the massacre and crimes that europe hasn't seen since world war ii. >> garry, thanks, again, for your detailed analysis. you know more about this than so many of us do and it's important we see this with clear eyes. garry kasparov, russian pro-democracy leader and chairman of the human rights foundation and chairman and founder of the renewed democracy initiative. even without direct on-the-ground support from nato or the u.s., the ukraine has been successful in slowing russian advances in several key areas using defense weapons, which history shows are highly effective. that's next on "velshi." . ( ♪♪ )

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to keeping the united states out of direct combat with russia and some see the transfer of polish mig fighter jets to ukraine via a u.s. military base in germany as a high-risk escalation, which is partly why the u.s. is rejecting poland's offer to turn over its collection of russian-built migs to the ukrainians, whose pilots know how to fly those jets. there's also the fact there have not been many reports of air-to-air combat between russian and ukrainian forces so military experts argue there are other weapons that may be more pragmatic in ukraine's defense. the head of america's european

military command, general todd walters, explained this week, quote, we believe the most effective way to support the ukrainian military in their fight against russia is to provide increased amounts of anti-tank weapons and air defense systems, end quote. those anti-tank missiles the general is referring to are known as javelin missiles. the air defense system are stinger missiles. the u.s. and other nato countries have already sent shipments of these to ukraine. these american-made stinger missiles are portable, fired from the shoulder of a single operator. they can shoot low and slow-flying aircraft right out of the sky. stinger missiles are an absolute game-changer for any military, but especially a military who is otherwise outgunned by its enemies and doesn't control the skies above them. we've seen this play out before. american-supplied stinger missiles were a key factor of the soviet union's defeat of afghanistan in the 1980s.

in 1980 afghanistan's centrist government was overthrown by russian-backed military officers. they formed another union that was both unpopular in afghanistan and anti-communist western nations. so a section formed by devoutly christian fighters who hated the godless communist and conservatives who actually, coincidentally, hated the godless communists. the government would have fallen in the soviets didn't invade afghanistan in 1979 to prop the governor up. the mew haddine were no match for the military might of the ussr. meanwhile back in the united states a little-known texas congressman named charlie wilson, known more for his social life than policy chops, read in a associated press wire that they were leveling villages and shuttering anyone in their path. the article also illustrated how

mew hathen warriors were hitting them in the middle of the night. he realized they had the fight in them but needed to up the odds of the skies. so charlie wilson set to work with a cast of characters ranging from a rough and tumble cia agent, pakistani military supported president and wealthy texas socialite named joanne herring to arm the mujahedeen with the weapons to defend themselves. miss herring was and still is a christian conservative who thought at the time well-armed fanatically religious muslims were more practical than russian communist imperialists so she used her substantial influences to aid the afghan cause. over several years charlie wilson was able to increase the aid to afghanistan from $5 million to upward of $5 billion. importantly, charlie wilson and joanne herring got stinger missiles on to the shoulders of

the afghan rebels allowing mujahedeen to neutralize the soviet air power, and it worked. the losses and expenditures on the war led directly to the collapse of the entire communist empire. now if you're thinking this reflects a hollywood screenplay, it's because this true story was an inspiration for book and sub r subsequent oscar-nominated film called "charlie wilson's war" released in 2007. it's worth a read or watch to give you a sense how asymmetric warfare can work to devastating effect. which brings us back to the present, with more stingers in the hands of the ukrainian army, vladimir putin may be having flashbacks to a previous russian defeat during which putin was a young intelligence officer in the kgb. now ukraine is nothing like afghan and the afghan story doesn't end well and that's for a lot of reasons, including the mujahedeen morphed into al qaeda. but the resolve and bravery of ukrainian army and civilians who

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convoys as legitimate targets. where does all of this come together for you in terms of where we are? >> well, hi, ali, thank you for having me. it's been -- it continues to shock and confound endless military analysts on both sides of the atlantic that the russian military officials have not managed to put this military fight to bed. and you captured some of the reasons why very well in your last segment. this week was really weird. the whole mig fight we just saw, the whole mig debate we just saw play out is sort of seems a little bit surreal at least from the pentagon point of view because you mentioned earlier the biden administration views this as escalatory, the sort of thing that could really drag or prompt russia to escalate further against the west, and to

see that as an act of war. in large part is because a mig 29 is able to get from kyiv to moscow. there's no way you can argue that's a defensive weapon, it's an offensive fighter jet, advanced fighter jet. so strange thing though when you look at what poland did is as a sign of how they don't want to provoke russia into hitting back at poland, they didn't say, you know, hey, ukraine, we'll just directly give you our mig 29s. what they said was we'll send them to ramstein air bass in germany and they will give them to you. that should tell you everything you need to know about that whole debate. sort of one american general said, get mikey to do it. the whole thing is viewed largely by the pentagon, at least, as a little bit of a sideshow and also because of the

ukrainian military air force does have fighter jets and they're not getting them into the air either, they're not really using them as much as they could be, what's been very effective so far has been the ground-to-air missiles that they've used, surface-to-air missiles they've used, stingers to take down russian planes and helicopters and anti-tank javelin and then this turkish drone that nobody thought would still be in the game at this point. it's a turkish-backed -- i can never pronounce it correctly, we will call it the tb2 here in the u.s. but it's assembled in turkey but with largely a lot of american and canadian parts and it's a cumbersome defense-less, no self-defense systems as all and very slow flying.

one of my colleagues compared it to a crop duster. and this drone, this tb2, has been taking out tank after tank after tank in these russian convoy and columns and american military officials thought within a day russia would have taken out these drones. they're easily targeted from the air by russia's -- by the russian military and also when they're sitting down, they're easy to bring down and fall lifeless out of the sky with a russian missile and easy to attack on the ground. the fact russia has 23409 even managed to take these drones out of the picture says volumes about the performance of the russian military so far. >> we've been showing pictures of that tb2 drone, which is not familiar to most people. so thank you, helene, for telling us about what that is and effectiveness of it in this fight.

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these are people coming to hungary from all across ukraine. we have been interviewing people on this train coming in all week. they're coming from mariupol, donbas, lviv, kyiv. they have to stop from the other side, wait, go through border formalities. this train looks quite full. you will be watching these people get off the train now. you are i seeing the hungarian police there. we've not seen any incidents or anything they had to be involved in from a security perspective. in many cases police are helping people get off the trains, helping them with bags. these are people coming in carrying only what they have with them, in many cases a carry-on knapsack, if they're with kids they've got strollers or car seats. when they come in, you will see them get off in a second. you will see people on the side here have water, food, medication. there's pet food, there's water for pets. on the other side of the station

we've got world central kitchens, where hot food is prepared for them so they can eat a meal and wait for the next thing that they're going to do. generally speaking that next thing is a train to budapest. there are trains that go to budapest, vienna or some just fly out. we are waiting for the train doors to open. you can see the police arranged along the side of the train. no one has been let out yet but we are seeing people inside the train. hard to see, jim's trying to get a shot, but it's hard to see because windows are darkened. you're about to see folks get off the train. this happens several times a day at this particular station and there are several border crossings with hungary. in some cases people arrive at the border on foot and they're driven in. in some cases they come in by train. some people are driving themselves in. there are buses and shuttles to take people but this is probably the way the greatest number of people are coming in from ukraine. here they come off the train. you're starting to see the first

people disembarking. and now the police are directing them back on the train for some reason. it may be that they're waiting for customs officials or somebody to take a look at what they are doing, what their papers are. they are checked, by the way, for various things including documentation. for some reason the ukrainian police are not letting them off the train yet. we'll keep a close eye on this. i think terrell jermaine starr is with me. i will check with my control room. terrell, have i got you? i do not hear terrell jermaine starr. do i have my control room? just checking in. i may have lost communication with them as well. let's take a quick break. i've got my control room. all right, i have my control room. i have not lost communication

with you. we are trying to determine what's happening, why these folks are not being let off the train. there are people at the end being let off with little children. that may be it, they are trying to let people off the train with little children. that's a big deal here. at least half the refugees have little children. it may be they're pushing everybody to one side so they can get everybody off in an organized fashion. that's the situation where we are at zahony train station here. i'm trying to get to terrell jermaine starr, who is in poland. he's got a lot of stuff to tell us about people he's helping to get out. i think what i will do, i have irwin redlener on the line with me. we're looking at a little boy being helped, riding on his suitcase and that's the story. you told me last week kids that young are probably not in as much danger as kids who are a little older, maybe closer to

10. they're the ones for whom this car is going to be with them for a while. >> that's right, ali. so for a younger child, a toddler, they need mom or dad or both and they need to have enough food and water and all of that and be protected and secure. as children who are older, the school age, 5 to really all the way through high school, the disorientation and fear, danger, is much more traumatic in a way. but the kids that i'm really worried about, ali, are those children on some sort of chronic medicine. you've been talking a lot about children with cancer and there are also children with diabetes, children with asthma who need medications. but especially children on protocols, ali, who need to be back on their let's say anti-cancer drugs. we have to make sure that the medical records that they will be needing in hungary, in

poland, romania, et cetera, will be with them. in many cases it's not. it's been about at least a million children now evacuated from ukraine to their neighboring countries. at least a million. i'm sure that's going to rise rapidly in the next few days and i -- i would not be surprised if 2 million of ukraine's 7.5 million children will be out of the country trying to find security and whatever it is they need. many of them, unfortunately, now orphans or somehow separated from their parents. it's a dire situation. this is -- this is a case, ali, of children caught up in what used to be an unprovoked war, which is now evolved into a genocide. straight and simple, this is what we're dealing with, a horrendous, intentional killing of civilians, bombing of hospitals and essential facilities. this is out of control. i have been to, as you have,

many natural disasters from katrina to hurricane maria in puerto rico, et cetera, et cetera. natural disasters are obviously threatening enough. but what is so hard to take here is the idea of an armed force deliberately killing a population, destroying a population. this is a genocidal massacre for which somebody needs to be accountable, and obviously we're talking about vladimir putin and russian military. >> irwin, you and i both have experience in natural disasters, which leads to this sort of thing. this is not the same thing. this is not a natural disaster. irwin, stand by, i think i have terrell james star on the phone. terrell, it's hard to get communication with you but i wanted to get an update on iryna, whom you were trying to get for her cancer treatment. she had a regimen she had to stay on otherwise she might experience a relapse with her cancer. what's the update on her?

>> first of all, thank you for having me again on the show. iryna is safe and sound in vilnius. i just spoke with her yesterday for an interview in my upcoming episode of the blapt diplomats, my podcast. she and her family are doing wonderfully. the child is coming along fine. as far as her treatment goes, she's going to have a doctor's appointment on monday to assess what the next step will be forward. so far she does have access to the medical care she needs. particularly what that will look like in the future, we'll have more information on that on monday, and i will share that with people on my twitter. >> i am so grateful for the little things that you're doing for the world, terrell. this story about people who need medical care, when they get to the way stations, there are church groups, humanitarian groups, unhcr and others to help them. but people who need advanced medical care, this is very hard to get.

terrell, i need to ask you about another story, one of the things we've been covering since i got to hungary is the number of foreign students and people from other countries who are in ukraine. many of them went to study. many are students. many are from africa or india. you have been talking to a lot of those got problems that are fact greater than ukrainian born people sometimes in ukraine. both in the country and in attempting to get to places where i am in hungary which does not enjoy the best reputation for taking in different people. >> absolutely, so first of all, some of the racism and discrimination a lot of these black and brown folks have faced did not just join this war, it was something ongoing whether they they are in ukraine or hungary, none of these issues that are happening now and coming on the news are particularly new. one of the challenges that i observed a the border if you are a student going in, the border

guards are prioritizing women and children just generally. the next stage is you have a number of people if they are trying to escape, some of these students, i have spoken to a few of them. they did not plan for an evacuation, they did not plan money to have extra cash to pay somebody to get vehicles to the border or have several nights stay at a place where in a country they don't know of. somebody who's a student and that goes to a larger conversation to be a refugee and with resources and family connections. that stress and burden is multiplied by ten. if you are a student, you are dealing with discrimination, a lot of it is you are in a foreign land that you don't know mary to navigate and you came here to study and not to be a

refugee escaping war. >> a little later i am going to show you a conversation that i had with two students. thank you very much for what you are doing. stay safe my friend. i am watching people embarking from the train. you can see ukrainian police helping people with their luggage. when irwin and the u.n. say about half of these refugees are children. we have probably seen fewer than 100 disembark right now. they are being met by workers and medical, every single family is met by one of these people.

you can see the stuff that they got in their baskets, there is bananas and water and medication and snacks and all sorts of things so at least their absolute immediate needs are met. of course their longer term needs are not being met. i want to bring in alexander who i spoken to many times. he's the cultural minister information of ukraine. minister, thank you for being with us again. a couple of weeks ago you said clearly no matter what happens, they, they meaning the russians, will not take kyiv, do you standby that? >> more than 100%. >> tell me why because you are getting continued assault from russian troops and you have not had the request you made of nato in the west of no-fly zone or coverage of humanitarian

corridors. they're starting to surround kyiv. tell me how you think ukrainians are going to withhold that. >> they are fighting for our home and our land. there is no issues it will continue fighting. aircraft and air defense system and any financial system that we can get from our airline. each morning when i wake up, i have a call from my relatives asking where is aircraft and the issue is not they'll not take us. it is a time we'll need to bring them coming back home, mainly that. >> let's talk about what's happening in the last week obviously we had this discussion

about the mig jets that have not happened and requests for other things. javelin missiles going into ukraine. what's your sense of where you are in this fight compares to a week ago? >> i think what russians are trying to do is change their tactics. now they're trying to stay in the place they are already occupied but they are facing resistance of civilians who are united and wish to take them out of their land. the situation can be changed if new sanctions can come for oil and gas and places like no visas

traveling to europe and russia. so they can feel themselves living in north korea. if they choose this president, let them feel like north korean people feel. >> i have to ask you what you have seen in last week like companies shutting companies in russia. the european union and nation depend so much on russian oil and natural gas and coal. they have not agreed to those sanctions. there are some sense that would be a real definite for putin. what's your message to the leaders? >> recently i have friends who will are traveling in west kyiv

on the same train station you are showing me right now with small kids, five or six or seven years old. some of my relatives are in kyiv during this time. i know -- so my message to european union is very simple. if you don't want to follow a fail, send real assistance are needed. we make a request to join the european union and now end of discussion with the commission on the procedure and secondly is need to stop the trades.

a lot of trades are going on. for us what we see is this trade causing us. you can see kyiv falls behind and coming to hungary. we don't need bananas, we need javelins and aircraft defenses. >> reporter: minister, thank you again for joining us. the cultural and information minister for ukraine. we'll take a quick break as this train continues to unload more than 400 people having just arrived from ukraine. we'll be right back, you are watching "velshi." ♪♪ ♪

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