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i am at the train station, there is also a border check point near by which refugees from ukraine had been arriving since the war began. nearly 2.6 million people have fled from ukraine, more than 235,000 of them. almost 10% have crossed this border into hungary. ukrainians continue to flee. there are 14 more corridors open this morning as the humanitarian crisis continues. nowhere is that crisis more pronounced than in the be siege south eastern city of mariupol. the russian military hit a mosque where more than 80 people were sheltering.

mariupol preventing resources from being escape. because of the extent of the destruction, many are without electricity and heat and shelter while temperatures dipped below freeing and snow continues to fall. on thursday, one of the buildings hit was a maternity hospital. that drew widespread international condemnation prompted a war crime investigation. three people were killed and 17 others injured in that attack. the ukrainians say more than 1500 civilians have been killed which forced the city to dig mass graves to bury bodies. the russians have been circling the city of sumy. last night russians abducted the

mayor. kyiv is still damaged but damaging. volodymyr zelenskyy remaining in kyiv, sending out videos to continue to rally ukrainians. the overwhelming message from zelenskyy and other government officials have been consistent. they need help. they have been pleaing for a no-fly zone. the united states rejected that plan fearing russia will view it as an escalation. yesterday the united states and european union, g7 countries ended relations and businesses in russia. first, i want to go back to ukraine, i want to show you what the scene is here.

we continue to see refugees getting off of this train behind me. we are told over 400 refugees, i would guess we have seen a bit more than a hundred so far getting off this train. unlike what we have been seeing previously, they are being led off the train slowly by hungary police who are assisting them but making sure everybody who comes here greeted by aid workers, they have boxes of food and some cases medication and water to get to everyone and signs that they speak english and german and whatever language. that's what the scene behind me is. i want to go to lviv, some of these trains have been come in from lviv and kyiv. molly the mayor of poland says the city is at its limit with ukrainian refugees. they are coming from places like

where you are. tell me the situation. >> reporter: that's right, the country and city are buckling under the pressure. here in lviv we have been talking to you all week. this is the destination for anyone fleeing from the east and departing to hungary or poland. at the train station people come into this as a desperate scene. people are coming in after 24 hours from kharkiv and kyiv who finally arrive to safety. you got people been here a couple of days slept in a night and safely in a church or anything makeshift and they get back on the train to go to poland. but then in central lviv we are at the main square. i want to show you how busy the streets are. it is 40 degrees, it is 20 degrees warmer than yesterday which i think had something to do with it. the streets are busy, coffee shops are opened and music being

played. according to the mayor a couple of days ago, 200,000 extra people were here. that was four or five days ago. i think those numbers are much higher. we are seeing so many people, interestingly and importantly we are not seeing refugees kind of set up in tent cities, they are bunking in apartments and air bnb and churches and anything makeshift. you are not seeing a city under a strain of a real refugee crisis. ali. >> molly hunter, thank you for your work. the messages you have been giving about of people seeking medical treatments that can't be delayed if you are having a baby, it could not be delay. we are coming back to molly shortly. i want to you another train had just pull in given the direction. we assumed this one coming from

budapest but it is active here. we got people ready to board this train. i don't know if it is pulling backward to go to budapest or going back to ukraine. there are people here getting on hungary and going back into ukraine. some of them parents of children who took the train here to get their kids into safety and into a safe country and send them forward to budapest and other places where they're going to go and meet with relatives and stay with family and friends and the parents who have their own parents to take care of or in fact they're mostly women because men are not allowed to leave are going back to kyiv and other parts of ukraine. it is a remarkable situation to see people getting on the train here and going other direction. joining me is michael mccfaul. ambassador, i want to ask you about this. you have made the argument as have others and i just spoke to

information minister. the fear the west have, others argued that let's just forget it for a while. there is a humanitarian disaster, there are probably more crimes committed. at that point the largest military alliance in the world has to get involved and you argued that we don't need to be scared of what the consequences may be as some are arguing. in other words, we may not be scared of nuclear war as some are arguing. >> well, ali, a couple of things and this is tough call of where people draw a red line of what to do or not to do. i reserve the right to update my thinking as this war continues, unjust war that involves killing innocent citizens as a strategy of the war.

let's all be crystal clear about that. obviously we have no interests in the united states of a nuclear exchange with vladimir putin and we should be engaging him directly as well as other leaders to make sure he's not changed his position on that. in january, he signed an agreement with the other nuclear powers committing to never using nuclear weapons in war. short of that i wonder, when i hear the word escalation, i wonder sending mig 29, what escalation is it bothering? why is it different from a javelin. i do not support american pilots or soldiers killing russian pilots or soldiers. when people use no-fly zone, that's a code word for me a declaration of war.

if we want to do that, we should call a declaration of war and we should make that decision consciously rather than inadvertedly stumbling into. i don't support that. everything below that i do support, i think it is immoral position for us to stay on the said line and tell mr. zelenskyy what is good for his national security interests and what is bad. we should give him all the help he needs to try to defeat this horrible invasion of this country. >> ambassador and the last hour i was describing u.s. involvement in afghanistan through missiles and how symmetric it became. it got the ussr out of afghanistan. you tweeted mothers of russia, you helped stop the unjust and

brutal war in the 1990, rise up and stop this new war, save your sons now before it is too late. you tweeted this a few days ago. the important message is it was russians, it was members of -- why are we in this war of afghanistan that we don't care about that's ruining our standard of living and kill our soldiers. you are making the argument that russians may start to see this the same way. >> yes. ali, i was writing about it and there were also a big anti-war movement including from veterans of that war. i don't think and i interact with a lot of russians everyday and i read russian news media accounts and some are brainwashed by putin's propaganda. this word is not popular among the middle classes and elites.

as far as i can see, i don't know a single person in moscow that supports this war. i don't know if anybody so i am saying do something about it. i realized the danger, i know he's a dictator and i know the threat of 15 years in jail israel. this horrific work can't go on. the economy is in a free fall as you know well. it is going to get a lot worse. many are taking the decision to pull out on their own. it is not only the moral thing to do to stop this war, it is the self interested thing to do for russians today. >> reporter: invest, good ambaso see you.

i don't know what time you work because every time i am on tv, you are on tv. >> i appreciate it because you make us smarter. >> reporter: joining us now who previously served as a department leader of a foreign party. vladimir, i had the opportunity to speak with you this weekend following what master mcfaul was saying. you are saying there are work to be done to get the real story to the russians people. if russian people got more of actual news as oppose to the spin combined with the economic pressure they are feeling. it may turn people against putin. >> absolutely. it is mind boggling how quickly

and suddenly this sort of new information descended russia. no facebook and all the remaining independent media outlets are shutdown and their website have been blocked. it is a complete information of russia. >> it is important that western viewers appreciate this. most people in russia today do not know there is a war in ukraine. they do not know dictator vladimir putin is committing war crimes and crimes of humanity. if you watch their program, you are presented with this -- you will be presented with a imaginary world of the west.

and that's what russian arm forces are doing, conducting some sort of target. it is mind-boggling. the key to all of this is providing russian citizens for the truth. >> vladimir, you were just in russia and i guess i am trying to figure out given all the companies pulled out and interest rates gone up and the collapse of the ruble. how does that work with people who don't know. they are listening to the official russian line of a special military operation in ukraine that you can't call an invasion or a war. they have seeing their standard of life living slipped back to 20 or 30 years ago. are they making connection between those things? >> the last time i saw empty food shelves, i saw that again

for the first time last week. and the economic collapse has been sudde as well. the kremlin propaganda machine is blaming the west for all this. it is a matter of time people start to make the connection. it is a constant battle between the television and the fridge. the key to all of this is getting the truth to the russian people. russians are normal people just like you and i. that maternity ward in mariupol being bombed a few days ago, there will be a total -- russia do not support this war. this is not 2014. most russians were involved with putin's annexation and crimea,

this is not the case today. just the fact that i have checked off before joining your program here. since february 24th, there had been 14,000 arrests of russians inside russia going out on the street to protest this war. a priest was charged and fined for speaking out about war at his service. this is how bad it was. last week a russia parliament unanimously passed a now law criminalizing not only speaking out about the war but saying there is one. you can get up to 15 years in prison if you call what's going on in ukraine is a war. >> it is remarkable. vladimir, thank you as always for your work. >> a russian opposition politician who plays a key role

in the united state passing -- president volodymyr zelenskyy held a speech in kyiv. he gave a sobering update about the state of his country. some small ukrainian towns don't exist anymore due to heavy shelling. he reiterated negotiations can't continue unless a cease-fire is in place. >> all right, it is hard to truly understand the magnitude of this war and the death and the destruction except through pictures. coming up, we'll go through the lens of the camera and many others willing to accept some pain at the gas pumps to put pressure on vladimir putin but many european countries are not

there yet. >> i will be speaking to members of ukrainian parliament who's been helping the people evacuating from their homeland. this is velshi live on the border of ukraine. s velshi livee border of ukraine. and forms an antibacterial shield. try parodontax active gum health mouthwash. ♪ everybody dance now ♪ ♪♪ ♪ everybody dance now ♪ get 5 boneless wings for $1. with any handcrafted burger. only at applebee's

. it is now day 17 of the war in ukraine. roughly 10% of ukrainians are coming to hungary. i am at a train station, it is a hub for people escaping. i had the chance to speak and catch up with some of them. take a look. this is hungary, zaha.

>> this is really scary. even now i'm siting here and sometimes there is a feeling that sirens and bombs. >> we are all worrying for the fami families. were all were really scared. >> reporter: victoria was studying english and now she's looking after her sister and studying the news. her grandparents and father and friends are all back in ukraine. >> i have friends in kharkiv who she does not have any power and like light or power for more than a week now. i can't imagine how she's

living. >> here parents comfort children and adults comfort each other. the wait here lasts hours. for those escaping ukraine, hours turn into days. >> reporter: tell me how was your journey, how did you get from sumy to hungary. >> it was difficult to evacuated because we could not get out. so after being evacuated the journey was so long. the trains and buses were too slow. we traveled all the way for like 24-36 hours? >> reporter: you are standing in a warm room now and now you are coming outside, why? >> a lot of people here so we have to fight to get a comfortable place. >> reporter: lena was a medical

student in ukraine. now she and her sister stand here. they know something about war and the dreams that destroys. >> reporter: where are you in your study right now? >> i am in my third year. >> reporter: you are hoping to finish and complete your studies, how do you think that's going to happen? >> for now i am not sure like everything was so sudden. i don't know what to do now, maybe wait or transfer some where else so i am not sure. >> reporter: as the train begins to board, i wonder what she's thinking. tell me what you are feeling right now. >> exhausted, relieved. i feel at peace right now like nothing can happen any time. >> reporter: you feel a lot safer here. >> yes. >> reporter: alive not now but not broken.

on that train were two pairs of sisters, one more stop on a long journey they pray eventually going to take them back to ukraine. more velshi on the hungary and ukraine border in just a moem. moment moment for romance. your home for big savings. [ laughs ] hey, mom, have you seen m-- ew. because when you bundle home and auto with progressive, your home is a savings paradise. bundles progressive. your home for savings.

. joining you from the ukraine border from zaha, hungary. my next guest have been helping evacees. someone is looking for houses in lviv. the time when people visiting

lviv will come. >> those centers, sir, are now currently operating as volunteer headquarters during the invasion. they're not doing near normal job, they're doing something else. tell us about it. >> hello, yes, that's true. it is not about education and children and learning english language. our language is free of charge like it was before but now they are making nets for army and they are trying to get more help for our volunteers and our army and for our refugees. refugees are leaving and bringing to our center and sleeping there. really we have a humanitarian

catastrophe. putin is making a genocide in the 21st century in the middle of europe. >> tell me about how you have followed the development about more desperate situation occurring in ukraine and the resistance from nato and western countries to increase pressure on russia whether it is oil and gas or no-fly zone or the jets from poland. >> putin realized that his plan failed he started another plan which is attacks against civilians, shelling school and maternity houses and mariupol against maternity houses with wounded pregnant women and newborns. that's the situation and that's why we desperately need the help

to stop russians in the sky and air and we don't ask for your boots on the ground. we ask for aircraft and air defense and we'll do everything ourselves. this help will really give us a ability to defend our women and children and defend the whole free world. putin is not going to stop on ukraine. >> i want the ask about the political situation in ukraine, we spoken to a lot of members of parliament, something we are generally speaking not done in the past. ukraine got complicated politics inside the country but it does seem to satisfied for mow. ukrainians of all political strikes have come together to resist this russian invasion. >> absolutely. this is our independence war. everybody should be united. we are in a position to the

beginning of the war. but, now i am also like a member of civilian militia and i also join the guards and i am like a soldier. there is no place for political disputes now. there is only place to fight together shoulder to shoulder against our common enemy, against putin and russian occupants. after our victory, we'll be back to a democratic country and we'll settle everything. it will be after our victory. >> i am sure you are looking forward to the days where you can have normal political debates with your political opponents in ukraine but that's not the moment right now. >> a member of the ukrainian parliament, thank you so much for joining us. a crude wakening for the

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here to to hungary. i am joined by a woman now, she comes from a place in ukraine which is near, we have been hearing a bit about irpin which is outside of kyiv, you are from near by there, there is a big airport there that's well known. >> yes. >> first, they started to throw bombs at the airport. and we were just very, very close to the airport, our houses were also destroyed. then they destroyed roads and shops and oh, everything i would say. our city does not exist anymore. >> we are told about 14,000 people live there and most of them left. >> yes, they have no houses and it was cold outside. they used to hide if basements

and anywhere. they tried to hide in the forest but all of our forests are filled with russians. >> oh wow. >> they are behind every bush. >> reporter: when you came up here a few moments ago, i asked how are you doing? you said you are alive. >> you are grateful for that. who have you come with and who has been left behind? >> i am alone. >> reporter: your kids are back there? >> my kids they are still there. >> reporter: what is their plan? >> well, they'll join me later. they wait now, there is a small town close to hungary border, they'll join me later. >> reporter: tell me about your journey. you started from kyiv station or from your town?

>> no. this was a fantastic journey. russians knocked at our door and they say you better go out because it will be hell in two hours. >> reporter: wow. >> we jumped in our car and we tied to find a safe way, all the bridges were exploded. we were jumping from bush to bush. we were crawling through the forest, nothing roads, nothing. i have seen a lot of burnt russian tanks. >> reporter: wow. >> this was the only good news, i have seen bodies like trash laying in a beautiful place. they don't belong here. okay, i can say they are not

humans. this is something like movies, some creatures coming from space or some other planet, they did not allow us to have pictures of what was destroyed by them. any one who had pictures they smash the phone from time to time. they smash of the faces of the people because they had pictures of the damage. >> reporter: what's your plan now and where will you go because this is a small town? do you know people here or are you going onto budapest. >> we go to budapest first and i think i can find a job. >> reporter: what work do you do? >> anything to survive.

>> reporter: wow. >> i have professions. i have a small business on american marketplace, etsy. i am a crafter. >> reporter: oh wow. >> i have my hands, i will survive. >> reporter: i have no doubt that you will survive. i hope as i am standing here one of these days, i will see your family coming in on the way to reunite with you. >> we have to reunite. >> she's here with me in zaha coming from ukraine. >> reporter: they were not allowed people taking pictures. powerful journalism help illustrate how this war is.

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there have been some remarkable images coming out of ukraine and as you just heard from the woman i was speaking with as she was leaing her town near irpin outside of kyiv. the russians did not allow pictures to be taken and destroyed phones of those who have taken it. lindsey adarria, here are some of her work in ukraine. i have to tell you this whole thing is hard to watch and hard to cover. the photos we are going to show you are difficult to look at. they were on the front page of "the new york times" but it is graphic. i want to warn you of that. you can see ukrainian soldiers

trying to render aid to her two children. they got carry on baggages and small luggage, all four of them died. the photo was taken after he learned of his wife's death by seeing photos on twitter. he gone to eastern ukraine to help his mother. the night before the family died, he told his wife, quote, "forgive me that i could not defend you," she replied to him, don't worry, i will get out. "the new york times" reporting after she didn't. he felt it is important that their debts reported in photographs and videos so the

whole world should know what's happening here. my friend is joining me now, a grant winner, and covers a number of humanitarian conflicts including those in afghanistan and iraq and sudan and syria. the author of multiple books including of love and war and it is what i do. lynsey, i can't keep it together doing what you do. how are you doing this? >> i break down and it is natural. we are seeing horrific things out here. we are humans, it is hard to witness what we are witnessing. >> you say what you witnessed, the photographs you are taking and you are a photo journalist, you tell people what they are. you say what you are witnessing are war crimecrimes. do you think that changes

people's views. this is people who are dying, innocent people who are dying. >> yeah, throughout the last month i have been here, i focus on civiliacivilians, women and children. they are the people who pay the highest toll and they are innocent victims. for me, i am not a professional to decide whether it is war crime or not, i witness the targets of civilians. that's the most horrific things that i have witnessed since i have been here. >> lynsey, i want to show the image of you taking four women armed. people never owned a gun or shot anything before. men are compelled to stay by

law, the women are not. many women are taking up arms. tell me about this image you have taken. >> yes, this was in the first few days of the war and what was incredible to me was seeing the unbelievable mobilization of civilians across the board. we went to try to photograph this. it was hard to get access to these basis. we were permitted and went inside this van where we watched four or five women enter. i started to speak to julia and she started crying and saying i am a teacher. and i said do you know how to use a gun and she said no. two days ago they handed me a gun and now i am fighting for my country. i said are you crying because you are scared? and she said both, i am scared for my country. >> one of the things i am seeing here are children, a lot of children. i want to put up a photo that you took of children waving from

a train, you have been talking to families, children with those, i don't know where these children are going and where they are ending up. tell me about this one. >> they're basically going west, every single person, they don't care where they are doing. they tried to get to lviv and poland and go where they can. they're trying to get out of here because people are now terrified and last night was heavy artillery, we heard thumps all night long in kyiv. today i am irpin again. it was heavy artillery all morning long. now i am about a mile from that location watching people be brought out. it is almost dark so we'll be pulling out of here now. >> generally speaking everybody i see coming here can work. we have seen some people in

wheelchairs or uncrutches who on crutches. you have a picture of a woman being carried. >> right, these scenes are people making their way out of irpin and the next village, there is heavy fighting there and the last two remained behind, the elderly and the ill, people who would not walk. those are coming out the last few days. it is the saddest thing because most of them are so old, they assumed they would die in their home and villages and they are being brought out across the bridge and caried out. they have no idea where they're going to sleep and have no idea what remains next. this is the tragedy of war. >> lynsey, there are tragedies in every conflict and wars you

have covered. you have been held in authorities, and all. tell me what stands out about this one for you? >> i guess it is completely unprompted invasion of a sovereign countryinvasion of a sovereign country. people are being bombarded for no reason. they're fleeing. we have millions who have fled. it seems completely unjustified. completely ridiculous. >> we're so grateful for your work. you are doing what we all as journalists should be doing. you're bearing witness for one of the world's tragedies. photojournalist for the "new york times." >> you have tweeted me about the woman i spoke to because you learned she's got a crafting business on etsy. we are going to get you that information. i suspect she's going to be selling a lot of her work to the

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the plug on russian oil, which is a major pressure point for the russian economy, but some european nations have not taken that step. just 8% of imported u.s. oil comes from russia.

for many european countries, that number is significantly higher. it's the eu's statistical information organization. it shows russian crude oil imports for poland on the left, hungary, germany, and italy. you can see the vast majority of crude imports in poland and hungary come from russia. for germany, it's about a third. italy, about a fifth. that red line on each one of those things represents the european union overall. so about 25% of the eu's crude oil imports come from russia. so for these european countries, cutting the energy ties that bind the block with russia is a big ask. despite major investments europe has made in renewable energy, right now, it is still reliant on conventional sources, coal, oil, natural gas. for russia, every barrel of oil into the eu is money back home. according to the kremlin's finance ministry, russian oil makes up 44% of all its exports.

close to half of all their exports and who's russia's biggest energy client? you guessed it. the european union. joining me now is evelyn farcus, a former national security adviser who served as deputy secretary of defense during the obama administration. thank you for being with us. i'm in hungary. your family is from hungary. >> yes, i have to say you're at work because you're in sa and my parents are watching. i was raised here, very aware because my grandparents lived under communism, what the alternatives were. >> as i have been reporting, hungary in recent times has not had the best record with refugees, including those from syria. they're doing better right now

and i have a lot of imagery of the police here who are helping a lot of these families because they're all coming with lots of children. each mother generally has a couple of children with her if not three children and we are watching these police help them. they are doing a kind job. these european nations want to be helpful. but boy, this is a sticking point. the idea of energy sanctions on russia. hungary in particular has said we will not take part in that. they'd veto if if they said they were going to sanction russian energy exports. >> ali, the hungarian situation is more complicated because the prime minister there who as he said, presides over an ill liberal democracy, which means not really a democracy. he has straddled this weird, fine line between nato and the european union and russia. he was a very close relationship with putin. he's done a bunch of, made a

bunch of decisions to tie hungary closer to russia also on nuclear power. so he is now reaping i guess what he has sown in some respect. he's now trying to continue to be close to russia, which is not going to be a tenable position. thankfully he's accepting the refugees but mostly because they're ethnic and white european and very phobic when it comes to non-christian, middle easts. there is a past there we can't forget. >> this is an important point. in these areas of eastern europe, there's overlaps. if you go over the eastern border of hungary into ukraine, you'll find a lot of hungarian speakers there. however, all of what you describe accurately about

hungary doesn't really apply to germany, for instance, or italy or places like that. yet, that, too, are resistant because it's winter and they get their oil and natural gas from russia and they are very, very concerned about these massive increases in the pumps and that they're population will turn against them politically or their participation in this war. >> in germany, ali, we've seen a change in public opinion. there, we have had people go to the streets and protest and say that they're willing to see their price of their oil and gas rise in order to protect democracy in ukraine and in europe. and of course, you know, as you and others have noted, the defense spending in germany is going to increase tremendously even in the next year, so the germans have really done an about face. some of these other countries, hungary in particular, there's probably not another example of

another nato country that's trying to have this close relationship with russia. some of it has to do with the price of oil and gas and others with decisions made in the past that someone like orban is trying to hold on to. >> thank you for your analysis. a former united states deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia, ukraine, and eurasian. before we go, i want to show you some images. these are the hungarian police. almost everybody is coming in with children. the police are helping people unload their baggage from the trains. this police officer here is holding the hands of two children as their mother tries to move along and get the aid they require when they get here. again, we can't whitewash the history of this country and its

relationship to refugees, but in the moment at this train station in hungary, we are seeing a great deal of human kindness. that's it for me. i will be reporting here from hungary throughout the day. we'll be back tomorrow morning from 8:00 to 10:00 eastern. the cross connection begins right now. good morning and welcome to the cross connection. we begin of course with the new developments in the russian conflict with ukraine. moments ago, president zelenskyy said negotiations with russia have progressed to concrete topics rather than the two nations changing ultimatums and he warned the kremlin will also seize the capital of kyiv if it quote, raises the city to the ground. this comes as russian forces are just 15 miles outside the