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a very good day to you from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome to "alex witt reports." day 17 of ukraine's resistance to the russian military invasion. a strong diplomatic push to bring an end to the conflict. new information right now. french president macron and german chancellor sholz was on the phone and urged an immediate cease-fire. all three agreed to not disclose any further continent of the conversation. and asked zelenskyy and asked for help to secure the release of a mayor. in france european leaders say they back ukraine's membership in the eu.

zelenskyy meanwhile appears to be optimistic about talks with russia. let's listen to what he's saying here. >> translator: a group of ukraines and russian representatives are discussing certain issues. they have discussed real things and not just throw out maintenance tasks. we have handed over certain questions or certain leaders which are discussing with russians. those who are in contact with putin. they have this information. they should discuss it. and i know that their signals are quite good concerning the proposals which came from our side. >> we are going to discuss all of this in a moment. new evacuation efforts at 14

corridors. but cease-fires are fragile with residents of irpin as it came under heavy fire. russia showed the tanks closer to kyiv but nbc news not yet able to confirm when nor where the video was taken. new satellite images shows the moment homes in an area north of kyiv came under fire and an airport near kyiv and new video from mariupol an apartment building came under assault on friday. analysts believe russia wants to take mariupol and other ports for a land corridor to crimea it seized in 2014. so from the headlines now we go in derpt with the team overseas and in the states. going right to molly hunter.

i know that you have some more on what we are really seeing. the news making statements by the ukrainian president and talk about what you see there today. >> reporter: alex, good afternoon. we have been focused on watching the 14 humanitarian corridors. last weekend the very early six corridors. and in the last week continuing to fail is mariupol. i want to start a couple headlines we got from the ukrainians calling the ministry of resbe gags. they say the russians bombed an oncology hospital as well as massive shelling in kyiv region and kharkiv. we have been watching the corridors where it is partial success and are in the suburbs around kyiv. we now know that at least 2,000

citizens evacuated from the suburbs. irpin is a suburb to focus on and really emergency services trying to get people out and just not hitting the numbers that they would like to see. so going down to mariupol, that city in the southeast. along that black sea belt where russian forces are trying to consolidate. according to the mayor 10,000 people have died in the constant russian bombardment. that number is likely much higher. but the agreement is that humanitarian aid gets to go in and civilians come out. aid has not gone in to mariupol and on the table as the russians and ukrainians continue the diplomatic talks. i want to share a sound bite from president zelenskyy about what he says about continuing diplomatic talks. >> translator: we have working,

discussing some details with -- we can have -- with the russian federation and i hope that we will have a real practical -- in practice a settlement process, peace process to end the war. but 100% -- so there should be a cease-fire. >> reporter: as you heard cease-fire priority number one and has not happened in the kosh dorrs going back to mariupol. we heard from ukrainian official that is the convoys heading there continue to be shelled, to be attacked. i'm in the west in lviv. this is where everyone fleeing east is trying to get. it is a bouncing off point to go to the east. according to the u.n. more than

2.6 million people left the country and more than 2 million internally displaced in the country. i think all of the numbers are probably much higher in reality. alex? >> i can imagine. thank you, molly hunter. let's go to ellison barber joining us from krakow, poland. there's word some cities in poland reaching a breaking point. what are you hearing there? >> reporter: yeah. this is one of them, krakow is a beautiful city and struggling to keep up with the influx of refugees needing a place to stay and basic resources to survive why the mayor in a press conference yesterday warned the city is reaching what he called the level efficiency. not just talking about physical space and something we talked about when we talk about covid

and reporting on the strain to the health care system. it is not just about physical space to stay. people need resources, access staying longer term to medical care. to education. to jobs. what we are hearing from the mayor, leaders in this city is they don't have enough resources to deal with the mass i have amount of people coming. the mayor in warsaw said the same thing. talking to nongovernmental organizations working to help refugees in this city they tell us that what they're seeing is a lack of organized approach from the government coming to helping refugees. they say there is help, assistance, plans for when people immediately cross the border but as refugees make their way to bigger cities like warsaw and krakow there is not organization and the help is ad

hoc volunteer led efforts and not sustainable. >> they are on a like desperate moment as an organization and i believe this is for many ngos in poland and all european union because european union don't have consistent migration policy. we don't know what to do with 2 million refugees coming to europe in just 2 weeks. i can imagine right now i don't know like i can give safe aid to 1,000 people per day. but we have like 120,000 people in krakow right now. >> reporter: one of the factors here is when you talk to refugees they will tell you they are hoping they can go home soon so because of that people don't want to move into the country or go to further other countries in the european union, spain or if they're able to go like the united states because they want

to go home. but again, what we are hearing in this city and warsaw is that something needs to change. there needs to be more organization. a bigger, broader plan to help people in a bit of a pickle or starting to see cracks right now and in two, three, four weeks you will have vulnerable people here needing help and not having access to the necessary help. alex? >> okay. a heads up on that. a crisis in the making. thank you so much. let's go to some new questions about a security agreement between beijing and ukrainian. that appears to muddy the stance on russia's aggression. joining me is holden and the fbi senior official in beijing for three years and forler drerk of

counter intelligence in the trump administration. big welcome to you. this 2013 deal, what exactly did china promise ukraine? >> it is a little bit murky but looking at the language it appear that is -- appear that is they promised to come to their defense. there is a good reason china hasn't been talking about this. china hasn't been out in front and warning russia that -- not to conduct any type of small tactical nuclear attack on ukrainian soil. as a lot of agreements in china they probably don't have interest in defending this and look for waying to wiggle out. it was signed at a different time and probably saw it as a way to extend chinese influence in ukraine and perhaps put a wedge between ukraine and russia. >> could that agreement between

china and ukraine have anything to do with why putin traveled to china? he met with xi jinping? >> i think it could have been a part of it. i think we are seeing a much closer relationship and missed how close that relationship was. a lot of it to say it's a relationship where an alliance of convenience and there's more sort of distance between them than things aligned but as we start to see they see a common enemy out there as the united states. and they see more in common and more to gain working together so i think we saw coordination telling xi jinping what would happen. not asking for permission but so they would understand and get the requisite support, at least hatch measures that beijing is

providing. >> china's refused to refer to this as an invasion and against the economic sanctions that the west imposed on russia and then promoting negotiations between russia and ukraine. so why are they maintaining this posture and does this put china in potentially the strongest position to get putin to make a deal? >> i think it's a really good question. i want to take a step back. i think we need to think about how china is viewing this. centralized and focused on what they are worried about which is taiwan and want to be careful of a reintegration of territory. that is putin's perspective. looking at taiwan they want if they took action against taiwan seen as a police action of some

sort to pull a renegade province into china and would be careful about the language and not calling it an invasion. i don't think there's much chance -- excuse me. >> like a special military operation ala the russian style here going into ukraine. let me ask you about the current talks between putin and france's macron and germany's scholz. what influence do the western leaders have to broker this conflict dealing with russia and putin who doesn't like the western alliance? >> with all due respect to the germans and the french i think they have little chance to persuade putin. the united states is making the decision but that' the viewpoint to push but i think putd season

an opportunist. he looks for opportunity. may not know the next move will be and is there an advantage to gain from the conversation? nothing to lose. perhaps a cease-fire allows a reorganization and coming at ukraine a different ways and will have the conversations. certainly wanting to keep the narrative alive that russia is doing this to rid ukraine of nazis and the other nonsense they spin and having the conversations supports the idea that russia wants peace which is not the case. >> zelenskyy's comments about the negotiations, is that creating a sliver of hope? >> i think that's what he is working with and getting -- connected in many ways to the refugee crisis. zelenskyy is looking at this and cease-fire would stymie the

spiraling. the refugee crisis is part of the playbook. putin wants that to happen and create a destabilize countries in ukraine. and so, zelenskyy and others look at how can we stop that and get ourselves in a better position? cease-fire might do that to hunker down. this is a long-term conflict. even if there's a cease-fire putin is not giving up the donbas and the territory secured in the south. they're just waiting until any time to increase the gains there and swallow up more and more ukraine. any short-term cease-fire is just that. >> as someone in the world of intelligence the fact that the white house said that russia could have a false flag operation in advance of chemical

weapons how would the united states and the white house know about that or is it something they take from past putin playbooks? >> i think the latter. what we see often is beginning disinformation campaign, a narrative one side going to do "x" allowing them to respond in a similar fashion so the benefit of having been -- watching this since 2016 and the movements in the election here and versus -- also activity in syria, the play book is more and more clear and what they do is accuse and then participate in it. >> okay. holden, you will come back to this show. i appreciate your insights. thank you. >> thank you for having me. military tactic as old as time but one that ukraine army and citizens hope saves the city. what are they doing and how it might work is next.

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president biden is ramping up pressure on russian president vladimir putin with executive orders. nbc's lauren eegen is joining us from washington, d.c. first the sanctions and now a trade crackdown. what is next? >> reporter: that depends on what russian president vladimir putin does next. what we saw yesterday from the white house is president biden come out and ask congress to revoke normal trade relations with russia. we expect congress to do this and receive bipartisan support. this is the example of the white house launching sanction against sanction to squeeze the russian leader and turn it into a pariah state like a north korea or a cuba. the u.s. doing it on its own is

a not that impactful but the white house is emphasizing the fact it's done with g7 countries and the european union, nations that do a lot of trading with russia and when taken together this has the possibility to further squeeze the russia leader. president biden gave a speech about this decision yesterday at the white house and explained the impact to have on the russian economy. listen to what he had to say. >> revoking pnpr for russia makes it harder to do business with the united states and doing it with other nations to make up half of the global economy is a crushing blow to the aggression that's suffering badly from our sanctions. >> reporter: the white house indicated they're prepared to continue to issue more and more economic sanctions and punishment for the russian president's actions in ukraine

and president biden in that speech yesterday made it clear if russian president vladimir putin were to use biological or chemical weapons in ukraine that would be met with severe consequences. >> 100%. okay. thank you for that. let's go to alexey from "the kyiv independent." it is good to see you again a week later now. reports have russian troops closing in on kyiv. last word about 15 miles or so from the city. what are the expectations to get into kyiv? is there a time frame of expectation? >> well, as we know they're not planning on entering city. they plan to encircle it and we can say right now they're doing a pretty good job and moving closer from all sides.

right now only southern part is secured. the kyiv, odesa highway. if they get there then we can say that kyiv is encircled. >> okay. at this point, you're making a good point there because the people in kyiv are not digging trenches. what might warfare look like if they get into the city? are people preparing for street combat? >> unfortunately we are expecting something that's happening in mariupol where the city -- encircled and russian shelling of residential areas continues. fire from air strikes. so the russian tactic is to encircle large urban areas and force them to surrender.

they're trying to suffocate the city and force ukrainians to surrender. >> so then the ukrainians that are digging those ditches, why do you think they're doing that? it is the playbook of the russians thus far. encircle and attack from the air. why would they be digging the ditches? >> well, obviously, just in case because better to be prepared for any possible scenario. for example, we saw the footage three days ago and russian tanks, 20 or 30, decided just to enter one of kyiv suburbs and destroyed. there was zero logic in that but they still tried it. so ukrainians those in kyiv are

prepaetsching for all scenarios. >> as you have heard french president and german chancellor held talks with vladimir putin and then with volodymyr zelenskyy. do you think they will yield anything? can they represent the boast interests of the ukrainian people? >> i think the answer to both questions is no. first of all we know that russia doesn't respect them. we heard those words from the spokesperson for putin that it's the u.s. who called the shots so there's no point in talking to the europeans. that's what they actually think. they respected merkle when she was chancellor and don't see a worthy leader so they're planning on talking only

directly to biden. and for the second question, yes. a lot of appearing that if something is brokered by france and germany it won't be in the interest of ukraine. >> what are you hearing about 14 so-called green corridors for people to escape? the humanitarian corridors. are they holding up? >> there is mixed results. we know that in the third -- there was actually some success in evacuating people from kyiv northwest suburbs of irpin. took three tries to move people from there and some success in sumy region which is northeast region of ukraine over 40,000 people were evacuated.

the worst is mariupol where russians continue to shell the city and they're not allowing people to evacuate. they're not -- with medicine, with water, with food to reach the city. from the russia standpoint this makes sense trying to force the city to surrender and keeping the city of 400,000 people hostage plays well in their playbook. >> okay. our thoughts are with you and grateful for your conversation with us giving us the latest. thank you. ukrainians are understandably using every manner of transport to try to flee. but at a rail station in hungary there's something unusual happening. just as refugees reach the safety they do the inexplicable. that story is next. yeah... search 100s of travel sites at once.

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we are back now with the latest breaking news from ukraine where cities are facing an onslaught of attacks. russian forces are closing in on the capital kyiv. britain's defense ministry said they're about 15 miles from the city center. in mariupol ukraine accuses russian of shelling a mosque. it comes as officials launched another effort for humanitarian corridors from that city. people are trapped without food, electricity or water. and new comments from ukrainian president zelenskyy of negotiations with russia. >> translator: a group of ukrainians and russian representatives. they're discussing certain issues. they have discussed real things and not just throw out maintenance tasks. i know that there should be a fundamental different approach

and should be so. i believe that our western partners are not sufficiently involved in that process. >> meantime russia suggests to destroy weapons shipments from ukraine. the u.n. refugee agency says more than 2.5 million people fled ukraine since the invasion 17 days ago. ali velshi is joining us now in hungary. right there on the border with ukraine. remarkable reporting and had stories that are both eyebrow raising and heart breaking. talk about what you have learned today. >> reporter: there's a story i haven't told as much and heart breaking. the men of fighting age can't come out. seeing the trains coming and going there are mostly women

with one, two, three kids. the stuff they can carry. a parent might be carrying a stroller or the bag with everybody's clothes in it. you see a picture of a police officer taking the hands of two little children. a lot of these women, the men in the defense force and have elderly parents or someone that can't leave and come here to zahony. they drop the kids and somebody takes them to budapest and vienna or warsaw the parents get back on a train and go back to ukraine. we have actually seen this happen. we have training coming in from ukraine and then going to budapest and trains the other direction and people leaving the children to go back to take care of their parents. the other part that's equally

devastating and the parents and kids that leave relatives behind. they left the husbands, fathers, sons fighting in this war. a woman i spoke to said we left two days ago. i have no contact with my husband. she doesn't know if he's alive or dead. they have to figure out how to keep the kids safe. those two types of stories revolve around children but that cuts. >> yeah. just putting ourselves in their shoes and can't begin to do and if you think about it we're parents and have parents. unthinkable to think about putting our children, sending them, sending them. they don't know where they will go. budapest.

whole thing is heart breaking. i understand something about a photographer, "the new york times" photographer you spoke to. tell me about that. >> reporter: yeah. lynsy odeirio, her images on "the new york times" all week. she captured the devastating image of the family members. it is so hard to watch. targeted by the russians. there was a shell that landed 12 ways away. ukrainian soldiers trying to help them. i spoke to her this morning about the captivating images and listen to what she told me. >> throughout the last month i have been here i focused on civilians, women and children. they are innocent victims and so for me i'm not a professional to decide if they're war crimes but

i witnessed the intentional targeting about civilians and that is the most horrific thing to witness. >> you have a photograph of people carrying an elderly woman out of rubble. i want to get the context here. >> sure. this scene is apocalyptic. these are people, people still making the way out of irpin. through heavy fighting there and the last two are behind. elderly, ill, cannot walk. they're now coming out and the saddest thing because most are so old and assumed they would die in their homes and villages and brought out across the bridge. no idea where they sleep tonight. they have no idea what remains next. i think this is the tragedy of

war. >> reporter: that's how she said it. this is the tragedy of war she is capturing in photographs we see on tv. as bad as it looks on tv seeing the faces after escaping that, i said to a woman are you okay? she said i'm alive. that was her response. >> that first picture encapsulates the heart break and the crushing decision to make. the mother killed with two children and the volunteer helping them. she was there in that city trying to help her parents who had to stay behind. it is just all gut wrenching. thank you. i appreciate you. vladimir putin page by page, past and prologue. how the writings of the cold and calculating straw man more than explain it is fury on ukraine. are there clues to what he might do next? he might do next?

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i think that there are people asking themselves questions about where he is at in his mental state. >> i have heard people say they think his health is not what it was and mental state. >> there are serious questions by serious experts who wonder about his stability and mental capacity.

>> growing questions surrounding vladimir putin's state of mind examining the writings over several decades describing the vision of russia, the role on the world stage and how he thinks the u.s. could be russia's downfall. joining me is carlos lasada who wrote that book and for "the washington post." excellent analysis in which you write the death of the soviet union helps explain why he risked a european conflict and confrontation with washington by launching a brutal assault on ukraine. how and why did ukraine get caught in putin's crosshairs? >> you see in his speeches about ukraine how he regards russia and ukraine as if one nation, one people, one culture. the ukrainians don't see it that

way but in a sense for him this is about restoring the losses of the cold war and the fixation in the writings. saying that russia, soviet empire robbed at the end of the cold war and the republics taken away from their historical mother land. everything that he tends to focus on in the writings centers on his fears of russia's decline. something he fears and denies and laments all at once. concerns of nato are there but it was there long before. >> the motives can be gleaned with propaganda and self justification. russia's attack on ukraine seems less about reuniting two countries that putin considers a single hole than challenging the

united states and its nato minions, the winners of the cold war. is he at all interested in a diplomatic negotiation or an off ramp with minions? >> it is remarkable how much the speeches about ukraine end up focusing on the united states. part of this effort to restore russian power is not just about expanding his sphere of influence with ukraine but also about challenging the remaining superpower of the cold war. he gave a famous speech in 2007 in munich and said it was unacceptable, impossible and russia didn't need to accept and where he gets into describing

the united states as this kind of almost lucky winner of the cold war and decrying america's low cultural standards and the people. people think of him as a great thinker but he is personal and emotional coming to discussing the united states and i'm not a fan of efforts to psychoanalyze putin necessarily but from his own writings and words you do get the sense he is not particularly open to any negotiated solution that makes him look weak. because for him that was the problem. at the end of the cold war essentially the soviets blinked and the americans took advantage. >> the general state without a deep analysis to shy away from in this article you brought up an issue. we played part coming into the

interview. the new invasion of ukraine prompted questions about the men tale haelt in pandemic era isolation. how did that potentially influence or change him recently? >> again, i'm not at all qualified and i think many people weighing in on this perhaps are similarly unqualified to assess his mental state. what i can say is that in his own writings he talking about his lowered appetite or his lowered fear of risk. in a book a former kgb instructor of his said that putin showed a lowered sense of danger and not a good thing, a risky thing in his line of work. elsewhere in the book called

"first person" published in 2000 talks about the brutal crackdown in chechnya and insists to stay firm. the line is if you become bitter they will think that i are stronger. you must hit first and the opponent will not rise to the feet. this doesn't sound like the attitude of a leader that's eager for a diplomatic solution, especially if that solution ends up leaving him in a position of seeming weakness in front of his own audience at home and really his kind of the myth of unlimited power is how he stays in power. >> a heck of an article. thank you so much. latest from the gas pumps today, the average price $4.33 a gallon down half a cent since

yesterday but up 40 cents since last saturday. 90 cents in a month. so up next, the blame game. who or what is important? responsible? responsible?

a pointed new refrain from president biden as the stark reality of war in europe strikes america's economy and the president identifying the culprit to a receptive audience. >> second big reason for inflation is vladimir putin. from the moment he put his over 150,000 troops on the ukrainian border the price of gasoline in january went up 75 cents. putin began amassing troops and guess what. the world took notice and those who work in the business know that the market anticipated. the price went up more and then

putin invaded. >> joining me now adrien alrod and sir michael singleton. good to see you both. adrien, i want your reaction. is it fair to say that putin is largely at fault after amassing the troops on the border? the president put out the calendar and synced it up. >> he is exactly right. russia is a top oil producing state in the world and this is something affecting global markets. not just the united states. what is the united states doing and president biden? taking action. he has number one as you will recall in the fall he released the strategic petroleum reserve

and putting more oil and gas in the marketplace from the united states. also reminding everyone that oil producers can do more. there's plenty of supply in the united states to pull from and glad that he is focusing on putin because he is the one that chose to invade a country, he is the one that chose to did into war, and because of that reason it just underscores the united states should be less dependent on foreign oil sources aenlg more dependent on cleaner energy and resources in the kung. >> shermichael, they supported ban. where's the logic? is this all just politics? do one thing, say another. >> alex, that's a good point. i think republicans point to the keystone pipeline and say if democrats and president biden stood behind the development

then perhaps you wouldn't see the problem. we get i believe 7% of the oil from russia. impact is directly from russia and the oil imported but the global markets impacting our market. and opec, the cost of a barrel is extremely expensive and also why the cost is driven. there's a couple reasons outside of russia. president biden knows that very well. i would agree with adrien 100%. we need to be energy independent. i'm all for electric cars. i had a tesla. they're wonderful and pumping oil in our country. the president said that we have places to do more. we can start at home. >> okay. point well taken. 70 million barrels released from

the strategic oil reserve. >> that's why we have to continue to maintain the majority. this off year election may be the most important in modern history. because we know what happens. we know the fundamental change that shifts if we lose the house and senate. the only thing i will have then is a veto pen. >> the president's aware the move is very risky for democrats. is he banking on americans putting the moral compass ahead of politics? >> he is. look polling is showing that the majority of americans are willing to pay more for gas to help ukrainians and try to get through the moment. it is not something that anybody enjoys and certainly something that really impacts those on a very fixed income and who drive perhaps an hour, hour and a half

every day two and from work. look. msnbc is doing an incredible job covering this war. we are seeing firsthand 18 to 20 hours a day on television that what the conflict is doing and taking the toll on ukrainians and so it's a little tiny sacrifice more for gasoline is what we need to do to get through the time and then the majority of americans said they're willing to do it. >> but the question is could those poll numbers be misleading? people say, yes, i support punishing russia but seeing the prices hurts and easy to complain. my son called me yesterday after filling the car in los angeles. $100. he couldn't see my jaw go like that. it is a lot. >> it is a lot and prime example, your son, i agree.

i have seen the polls. they do showcase that americans say we stand in solidarity with the ukrainians. but a question not asked in those polls and that you would answer and millions of americans, how long are you willing to stand by with the ukrainians and allow gas to go up and up and up when you can't afford it? maybe a month or two months if i'm being gracious but people on a fixed income struggling to pay the rent and the health care and food and other things with child care for the children and struggling to go to work cannot consistently pay $8 a gallon in california. gas for weeks on end. there has to be something that republicans and democrats, i'm putting the onus on both sides,

have to come together to help the americans struggling. this is what i hate because people play politics in the moments. people struggle and don't care about left to right and leaders aren't doing enough. >> yeah. my advice to my son is to do walking, as much as you can to save money. thank you. see you next weekend. next hour, breaking news about ukraine's president appearing to show optimism about talks with russia. plus a must read "rolling stone" article from an american reporter just returning from ukraine. the exodus, the isolation can feel immense. n feel immense man, this is the triple-threat of deli meat! subway keeps refreshing and refreshing and refreshi- wayfair's got just what you need to be outdoorsy.

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