good evening everyone, i'm ayman mohyeldin. you're watching the continuing coverage of the crisis of ukraine. for nearly three weeks, ukrainian forces have stymied the russian efforts to topple its government and bomb it cities into submission. now, russian troops are making progress in the push to take the capital city of kyiv. the just about 15 miles away from the city center. a senior defense official tells nbc news those forces could fully encircled the capital in the next week. ukraine's president is warning that his russian --

excuse me, that this russian progress comes as putin prepares a new phase in his, quote, war of annihilation. today, russian forces bombed presidential apartments and, stores and a cancerous spittle in one southern city. they shell the mosque in another. president zelenskyy says the war has already resulted in the deaths of 1300 ukrainian soldiers. according to un estimates, more than 1500 civilian casualties. the leader of france and germany participated in a 90 minute phone call with vladimir putin, but they made little progress in convincing him to end his onslaught. in fact, the french government said that putin note showed no willingness to stop the conflict. as the war leads to -- since world war ii. more than 2.5 million refugees have now fled their homes. we've got a lot to cover this hour let's start with nbc news correspondent -- who's live in ukraine for this. ali, we've been speaking to you

throughout the night. in the early hours, we heard of arid sirens. you are now hearing shelling. is that correct? >> we heard some loud thuds in the distance from where we are. it's certainly not in the center of lviv, where we are, but there were four or five thuds that came in the distance. we're not getting any reports for exactly what happened, but it just adds to that feeling of being disconcerted. you're not sure what's going on, or where these thuds are coming from. as you have been reporting, over the last 36 hours, the russians have intensified and broadened their attacks. it's gone from east, to the center of the country, now to the west. things do feel like they're picking up. just to give you an update of what's going on in the country, we know that the russian forces are probably about ten or 15

miles outside of the capital of kyiv. their troops are amassed there, from everything that we can gather, the bulk of the russian troops that are on the ground, here in ukraine, are pretty much amassed on the outskirts of kyiv. the fear, the concern is that they are going to launch a much broader attack on the capital city. they may try to encircle the capital city, as they have done with other cities and towns across the country. what's not clear, whether they have the capability to overrun kyiv. firstly,, they've been plagued with logistical issues, and not, least of all, because of the fierce resistance that's being put up by the people living in kyiv, which is, essentially, a fortress town. elsewhere in the country, in mary opal, they have been shelled very heavily. they've been persistently shelled over the last few days.

the town has been raised to the ground. the residents of mary opal, about 400,000 of them are essentially hostages. as you mention, a mosque was bombed in that city. about 18 people were taking shelter in that mosque. all the windows were blown out. they have no heating, electricity. they're taking shelter in below freezing conditions. now, earlier today, there was meant to be a convoy of about 60 vehicles going into mariupol, carrying hair or mandatory in aid, as well as buses to get civilians -- that convoy didn't make it in. the hopes are, that will make it in the morning. as you well know, the russians have not honor those safe passages so far. so, it will be a humanitarian disaster broadened if those trucks do not get into there. as we speak, things are tense. this was meant to be the peaceful part of ukraine.

this is where the exodus of the displaced people were coming, either to stay and move on. now, this is also a city shrouded in uncertainty. nobody is quite sure what's going to happen next. when we spoke earlier, the arid siren had gone off about two and a half hours ago. the all clear has not been given for everybody to come out of those bunkers. everybody is still hanging tight in whatever basement, bunkers that they can get themselves into after those aryan sirens went off. r thos aryan si>> all right, ali, pleaa safe. keep us up today on any other information you get. we turn now to nbc news correspondent, who's live -- in the un estimates has taken more than 1.5 million of the 2.5 million ukrainian refugees, who have managed to get out of their. josh, it's good to have you with us. let's talk about the humanitarian development, but

also, the diplomatic efforts with these calls by the leaders of germany and france to, perhaps, try to persuade putin to end his war, we should know, unsuccessfully. what more can you tell us on these two developments? >> to start with the humanitarian issues, amen, as you mention, poland has seen the vast majority of the refugees who have fled out of ukraine. it is really pushing the system to the brink. the mayors of the two largest cities, warsaw, where i'm at, and krakow, both warning that they have just about accepted as many as they can, without getting outside help. they're both calling for the european union, as well as united nations to step up. this is not one of those situations where you've got massive government run refugee camps. the vast majority of the refugees are being housed and helped by volunteers, by the

average polish individual. they're showing up to the borders with tea, bringing people into their homes. the government is now offering -- to each family that takes in refugees per day. that's the equivalent of nine or ten u.s. box, but it speaks to the immense challenge here, as this country is trying to figure out how to care for their ukrainian neighbors. the mayor of crackle saying, they're now sending some of the refugees that they are getting to neighboring communities, because they can't absorb it that fast. that's the city of less than 800,000 people. it's already accepted about 100,000 refugees, many of whom have been housed in hotels, where hotel keepers are simply offering up their services and their rooms to try and take these folks in. that humanitarian crisis is one of the topics that president putin was --

heard from in his conversation with german chancellor, olaf scholz, and french president, emmanuel macron. both of whom urged an immediate cease fire to try and prevent this humanitarian catastrophe from getting any worse. a french presidential source telling reporters that it was a very difficult call. that putin suggested no indication that he was ready, at this point, to end this war. that the two leaders left this without feeling like there was much of an indication that there is any room for serious diplomacy right now. even as they, along with the israelis, the turks, and several other governments who have offered to help as mediators, holdout dim hopes that there will be some sort of diplomatic way to prevent this violence from continuing, at least in the medium to long term. at le>> all right, nbc's, josh -- , thank you so much. stay safe. one of the youngest groups

forced to flee ukraine, orphans. this week, deborah ross's office was contacted by dr., working in ukraine to get 20 to 30 orphans, most of whom, we should, note have been adopted by families in the united states, out of the war zone. there is an issue. if these children leave to go to poland, or another neighboring country, their paperwork, their adoption paperwork essentially becomes, or might become, invalidated. making it even more difficult to get to america. joining me now, democratic congresswoman, debra ross of north carolina. congresswoman, thanks for joining us. this is a heartbreaking situation. what more can you tell us. i know you've been working with a doctor who's trying to get roughly 30 orphans out of the war zone. can you talk to us a little bit about the effort, or this part of the effort, to get them out, where does that stand now? >> what we have been doing, and this is just heartbreaking,

because these children have been adopted. it's a paperwork glitch, and they need the time to have the paperwork completed, but that's a very difficult thing to do when war is going on. would congress has done is invest more in u.s. see i.s.,, which is the agency that deals with adoptions. what we're trying to do is get the state department to focus on expediting these options. it's a small number of refugees, and actually, these are adopted kids but they would otherwise be refugees. we want to do everything that we can to move this forward. it's a good thing that the government is aware of this, and there are resources for it, but with everything going on, we really have to highlight this and show that we can make a difference in these children 's lives.

that there are loving families in the united states who are ready to welcome them. there are also other categories of orphans who we've been advocating for. those who have been with host families. there are other members of congress who have been working on that. these are the most vulnerable kids. they don't necessarily have advocates and if they end up in another country, they may not be able to be with the families who want to love them, adopt them and bring them to the united states. >> as i understand, congresswoman, it's not just parents who have adopted the new york times -- it's also families, as you, mentioned -- ukrainian surrogates. what are the steps that the government can take to make it easier for these families to connect with their kids? >> that's a great question. we have been reaching out to

the state department to ask them what we can do to help people go through the appropriate steps. this advocacy is ongoing. we've been working on it all week, ever since we heard about the situation. several of my colleagues have the same concerns. we have been writing to the state department, contacting the state department about this, so they are well aware. we also, just this week, appropriated more money for refugees for usaid, and for the areas of the state department that we'll deal with this issue. we will not stop. we're going to be back in washington next week. there will be lots of in-person meetings and calls. i know that dr. lynn is advocating for this. i would just say, people should contact their congress people from all over the country. i'm aware of it because i was contacted in my office, and we have a very robust program to help people with immigration

issues, and with refugee issues. we did so with afghanistan, as well. we have been doing that with central america. the more people who bring attention to this issue, and the more people who contact their congress people, the better chance we will have making this a priority during a very difficult situation for the state department. >> it's one of the reasons why we wanted to do this segment with the spotlight on it, we wanted to see if we could get some help. let me ask you, more broadly, with the government can be doing? as heartbreaking as it is to think about, specifically for these orphans and the parents trying to adopt these children, or reunite them with their children, what more should the u.s. government be doing to help with the nearly two and a half million refugees? how many refugees should be taking in? what's that process look like? it's obviously very different for the people in europe in poland than it is for what

we're doing on the side of the atlantic, but what more should we be doing as a country? >> we should be doing a lot more. as i said, the -- congress just appropriated 1.4 billion dollars for refugees from ukraine. that is going to be signed by the president to within days. we've also appropriated more than two billion dollars for usaid, and more money for u.s. -- for the immigration service. we have a problem with how we deal with refugees in this country. it is not just for ukraine. we have a broken immigration system. we have got to have a more humanitarian focus on refugees. there are problems all over the world, especially right now in ukraine, and we can not expect other nations to bear all of the responsibility for these refugees.

we have a large population, we have so many nonprofit institutions, churches, people who want to help. so many of the churches, and the ngos, in my district, and in dc, want to do what they can to help these refugees. we have got to loosen up our policies for accepting them. at the very least, in a temporary way for, but granting them permanent status if they cannot return to their countries. those are topics for congress when we get back, i know i'm not alone caring about this. these have been issues all over the world for years, and we finally have an administration that cares about that kind of humanitarian relief. i think it's time to act. in a bipartisan way. congresswoman, don debra ross. thank you for joining us. i know it is late. greatly pre shear time this

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today? >> so, in the first two weeks, overall, because of the constant munitions that russia has landed. most people are dying from shrapnel, from flex. and essentially, we need a lot of specific medical kits. which will help to stop bleeding immediately. and we are talking about hundreds of thousands of units, that we have purchased and that we are sending. maybe the first shipment of 10,000 or 30, 000, but the minister of health just requested another 200 from us. and of course, because there is search and demand, you needed now. so the prices went up. and a unit cost like $1,000. or 13, 1400 dollars. we've been able to fund-raise about five to $10 million so it is on the way. but this is essentially what is needed.

protective gear, helmets, and medical kits to stop bleeding. every single -- in ukraine goes to private tech divest's. and every single person in the u.s., and the uk and elsewhere goes towards medical kits unless someone says otherwise. >> how concerned are you, and there's been some talk about the russians possibly attacking the surprising routes that are bringing in much-needed equipment and medicine, and protective gear. how concerned are you that the russians may disrupt the supply lines? have you seen any disruption to the supply lines to get this critical needed stuff to the people on the frontline who need? it >> essentially, we get them some -- which are close to the western border. as much as possible. and then the government will provide some security. they don't tell us exactly where to deliver, because it is

changing. and it's also confidential information. they just say vaguely with the area is. it could be anywhere in the country. again, for security reasons, and kind of what's happening on the ground, we send our trucks there. and then they pick it up. and we don't know how they get it there. but i think they have convoys later. >> you are obviously part of the effort. you have managed to assemble about 3000 kids, as you mentioned, containing first aid kits, flat jackets. could you say where you got these materials from and where you sending them to right now? which part of the countries in desperate need of them? >> so, mariupol for example. and in the east. they need protective kits, and really in urgent needs of medical kits to stop leading.

need, that we just have discussed. so mariupol has had all of this. from odesa two kyiv. their headquarters on the ground. and we are in contact with a headquarters of the territorial defense, with the ministry of health of ukraine, and they are telling us what to do. you know, it's everything from u.s. to israel, to central european countries. whatever is available to ship now because it is a time issue. and we are establishing, medium to the longer term contacts with suppliers who are ramping up production, but are reeling to give us much better price. >> i want to ask you about the broader medical condition that the country finds itself in. there is still a public health crisis that is unfolding. obviously, not just the war with the challenges that it's bringing. you're still dealing with a

global pandemic. and although people may not be as afraid of the pandemic, they are still very much afraid of the war. but the unfortunate reality is that ukraine was not doing very well with vaccination. i believe only a third of ukrainians are vaccinated. and on top of that, you have millions of people fleeing. how concerned are you about that aspect of the public health of ukraine? >> there are multiple concerns. you can split into three areas. first of all, there are areas which are under russian control. and there you have lots of issues. lots of people who don't have insulin, for example. and two, to supply the first needed to passes the first two weeks. we are now just a country of supplies. even for something simple. something immediately needed. and then, the problem isn't

delivery. and i think all of the organizations which are really capable of delivering to these villages, that i've seen them occupy. for example, ukrainian -- and some other volunteers. i'm asking and pleading with domestic organizations in ukraine. because they will be delivered timely now. not into weeks. and another thing is the overall treatment. all kinds of treatments. the best to do it -- in the east of ukraine, obviously, there is no capacity to do that. and then you have the vaccination rates when they are sufficiently high. and it's going into this -- with an increased number of covid infections. but it was expected to plateau. and we are deterring it, to decrease. and -- with the ministry of health,

and with specifically covid. it feels like we have passed, the data shows that we were supposed to pass the peak. but we do not know how the flow of refugees and displaced people will affect the contagion and an infection rates. so that is a problem, you are correct. >> all right, mr. timothy. thank you so much for your time. i greatly appreciate your insights. and please stay safe. thank you. >> still ahead, trying to understand the magnitude of this war through pictures. that's next. that's next. aks that i can get. at liberty butchumal- cut. liberty biberty- cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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going viral on social media for weeks. earlier today, lindsay spoke with my msnbc colleague, ali, about covering this conflict. >> throughout the last month that i've been here, i focus primarily on civilians, women and children. i believe that they are the people who pay the highest toll. they are the innocent victims. for me, i'm not a professional -- warcrimes or not, but certainly, i witnessed the intentional targeting of civilians. to me, that is the most horrific thing that i could've witnessed since i've been here. >> lindsey, i want to show an image that you took a for women armed in the back of a van. a lot of people have been struck by the strength of civilians, the willingness to take up arms. people who never owned a gunshot anything before. in particular, men are compelled to state by law in

ukraine, the women are not. many women are taking a arms. tell me about this image you've taken. >> this was in the first few days of the war. what was incredible to me, the incredible mobilization of civilians across the board. we went to a base to try and photograph this. it was very hard to get access, but we were finally permitted, and went inside, where we watched for five women enter. i started speaking to julia, the woman in the center of the photograph, and she started crying. she said, i'm a teacher. i said, do you know how to use a gun? she said, no. two days ago they handed me a gun, and now i'm here to fight for my country. i said, are you crying because you're scared, or are you crying for country? she said both. i'm scared, but i'm also scared for my country. >> one of the things that i'm seeing here, as people come, in our children, lots and lots of children. i want to put up a photo that you took of children waving from a train.

you've been talking to families, they such a poignant photo, i'm not sure where the children are going on where they're ending up. tell me about this one. >> they're basically going west. every single person who can take the train west. they don't care where they're going, they try to get to lviv, they tried to get where they can. the fact is, they're trying to get out of here. these people are now terrified. last night was a heavy artillery, we heard thumps all night long. today, i was in irpin again, at the side of that photograph. it was heavy artillery all morning long. now, i'm just about a mile from that location, watching people be brought out. it's almost dark, so we'll be pulling out of here now. >> generally speaking, everybody i see coming is -- they can walk. we've seen some people in wheelchairs or on crutches, or who look like they're unwell. you have a photograph of people,

first responders, carrying an elderly woman out of rubble. i want to put that photograph up. i wonder if you could give us some context. >> sure. this scene is apocalyptic. these are people -- people are still making their way out of irpin. there's heavy fighting there, and the last two have remained behind, the elderly, the ill, people who cannot walk. those are the ones who are coming out today, who have been coming out the last few days. it is the saddest thing, because most of them are sold, they assume they would die in their homes or in their villages. here they are being brought out, carried out, they have no idea where they're going to sleep, they have no idea what's remains next. this is the tragedy of war. >> lindsey, there's tragedy in every conflict and war that you've covered. you even been held by

authorities, you face it all. tell me what's stands out about this one. >> i guess, it's completely unprompted. unprompted invasion of a sovereign country. it's unbelievable. we watched in slow motion, people are being bombarded for absolutely no reason. they're fleeing, we have millions who have fled. it just seems completely unjustified. it seems completely ridiculous. completely ridi culous >> that was new york times photojournalist, lindsey odario with ali velshi. coming up, more than 1.5 million ukrainian refugees have fled to poland since the start of the war. the polish people are welcoming them with open arms. can someone else get a turn? yeah, hang on, i'm about to break my own record. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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rally in warsaw, were pulls waved ukrainian police flags -- the ukrainian ambassador to poland said that he's grateful to the polish people for their support during the russian invasion of ukraine. poland has accepted more refugees than any other country since this war began, and fortunately, they've been welcomed by locals to help. >> this is what we organized temporarily. >> this is just one of the dozens and dozens of refugee shelters being set up in warsaw.

a welcome camp, after the bunkers in the bombs and the days of trouble. >> i love you. >> they long to be home, but family after family tells of the trauma of escaping war. >> julia struggled to reach the train station with her daughter, who has epilepsy and her son, who is autistic. >> what can i say, she says. it was so hard trying to hold my children's hands in case they fell, and carry the luggage. . then, she reveals 11-year-old nikita, is recovering for an operation after being born with deformed feet. she got here guiding one of her children, who's barely able to walk. others at the shelter in need medical help. a young girl is on drip, dehydrated after the exhaustion

of the journey to poland. now, made by 1 million and a half people. >> the problem now, because so many refugees have come to the polish capital, because the authorities are so stretched, they're having to provide more permanent accommodations or send people to other polish cities. this refugee crisis is defined as an exodus of women and children. across the city, there are makeshift nurseries to entertain the youngsters. women, distraught, they've left husbands, brothers and fathers behind in ukraine. anna has left her husband in kyiv. she also has to contend with the mother-in-law in russia, who refuses to accept why she's fled to poland. >> she said, it's just a little, not big, not big situation. just a little. i said, mom, we have no house. russia has destroyed our house. >> across poland, thousands of

people needed no persuasions of this horror this war are taking in refugees. english teacher, victor johnson and his wife offered a home to marta and her grandchildren. both of the children's parents are still in ukraine. >> i did speak to marta before she came here, she just turned up in a car. we met them with high fives and hugs, invited them in made them feel at home. that was the most important thing that we've helped, save and secure. >> we has roman with how he's settling in, all things considered. >> okay. nice. >> just one example of the kindness of strangers in the midst of war. lisa holland, sky news. warsaw. >> that was sky news is, lisa haaland, thank you for that. still ahead we're going to hear from a former adviser to president zelenskyy, who has

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several miscalculations as he invaded ukraine. he underestimated the reasons to fight, the leadership of president zelenskyy, and the backlash from the west. but while those miscalculations have cost him on the battlefield, it has also hardened him even further against ukraine. to the point where president zelenskyy said that putin's assault has now become a war of annihilation. ukraine officials saying that russia is preventing civilians from getting out of mariupol. and stopping civilian convoys from getting in. they've been shelling of mask in -- that had civilians. residents in the city of

mcculley of were sent fleeing into bomb shelters as they shelled areas, including a cancer hospital. and ukrainian defense says that russia used planes to shell a military -- southwest of kyiv. joining us -- is to president volodymyr zelenskyy, who has chosen to stay in heave along with his family. thank you for joining us. i greatly appreciate it. the defense minister says that russian forces are about 15 miles from the kyiv city center. colleagues that sky news are saying that heaves -- he says that he believes the city has enough vital supplies to last with nearly 2 million people who have remained in the capital. what is next for the 2 million people that remain in the capital city? including in your family? >> hi, and good evening. first of all, the next is we fight!

i mean, this is our homeland. that's the question i get asked most. why do ukrainians get used to say? there are few answers to that. one of them i mentioned yesterday, -- send my respect in regards to them. asking them why they fight instead of moving to mexico, amid conflict as it arrives it. so that is the first part of the question. the second one is, a grade one once said if someone wishes you death, that is basically -- . this is why we say, and this is why we protect our homeland, our children. >> i completely understand. and certainly respect that position. i am curious though, what you envision happening in the next two weeks in terms of how this plays out. it is hard to predict what are you preparing or bracing yourself or? >> first of all, i think the

situation has been over dramatized in terms of how it's described. the situation is bad, don't get me wrong, but at the same time saying that russian forces are 14 miles outside of central kyiv, is true only if they've fly over kyiv. it's not easy to get to kyiv with all the traffic and the guns sticking out of every window and every high-rise building. it may be difficult for them. it will take some travel time. on top of, that kyiv is a huge city. it is surrounded by a big river. it is not easy to interrupt. and like mariupol and kharkiv. both cities are smaller than kyiv and our capital cities. so, conventional weapons seizing kyiv is either huge

mistake or a miscalculation or a bluff. at the same time, we can't get our hopes of. it has become a war of annihilation. and it's a war against civilian people. putin doesn't care about ukrainian people. if he annihilates essentials gets the territory, he will be glad. so it will -- be if they moved against kyiv. now whether they will move against here is the question. they plan to take it within 48 to 96 hours but now it is the 17. there are certain parts of kyiv where i am, where we haven't even seen some major fighting yet. we've been hearing everything tonight, and it's been a surprisingly quiet night. you get used to the bombs exploding, but yeah, i think we are still a few days away from anything major happening. >> do you have any faith in any

of the diplomatic process is underway? you have the israeli air lead earth speaking to -- you, have the meeting in turkey, today we ace saw some calls from the french and german leaders to vladimir putin. is somebody inside of ukraine, as somebody who knows the leader of that country, what is your's assessment from the diplomatic movements? are they a waste of time? >> i do not think diplomacy is a waste of time. diplomacy should be practices against the very end. we do not know what the endgame is for president putin. i'm not sure he knows with the endgame for jimenez. so, diplomacy will only work if he's looking for up top. the endgame is tragedy in -- the architectural, the politics, and geo pardoned techs, it's

not gonna work. and look, if i may, i would like to take this opportunity to essentially, argue with the rest that i'm hearing about world war iii. i do not think that even if the u.s., or nato members from the you crane, within ukraine, will be the pretax of world war iii. i want to argue that in the 20th century, during the world war, there was a green war, the soviets against the u.s. army. there were certain elements to the vietnam war and so on and so forth. none of that will lead to world war iii. but what i think is going to happen, if ukraine falls, and, without major help from the west. we are gonna fight to the very end but this is difficult. there is also the likelihood that we will fall.

that is when you are looking at world war iii. and something is telling me that putin is not gonna stop there. work should be done, and that's the most important part. the west needs to understand how president putin operates. he is practicing a new type of world fair. we've talked about information war, we've talked about cyberattacks, but he actually weaponizes every day phenomena and things to work against you. so, he has weaponized your fear. that is why he is escalating this war in ukraine. by simply using your own fear as a weapon. fear of we nuclear attacks, fear of chemical attacks, fear of world war iii. he will use it against you. so basically, he is encouraging, with rubles and with dollars. he is encouraging international business to say in russia. and that makes you weaker, that destroys the consolidation of the west. so until there is an

understanding of that, until there is pushback on those fronts, nothing is going to work against him. and he will keep escalating. now, let me remind you of one last thing, at the moment it's only russia, but potentially there is a certain alliance tend to bring their. and what we've seen today in iraq, for example, could be just a coincidence. or it could be a first small step to test the reaction. and we will start seeing it happen over and over again. it might get really ugly for the world. >> igor novikov, thank you so much for joining us. that does it for me tonight. i will see you back here tomorrow at nine eastern on msnbc. goodnight. msnbc. goodnight. shingles doesn't care. we've still got the best moves you've ever seen good for you, but shingles doesn't care. because 1 in 3 people will get shingles, you need protection.

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