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no weekends, let out for the more than -- refugees who have fled here to hungary, out of the nearly 2.7 million refugees in total. when you are watching now is more arrivals, another train has just come in from ukraine, from the town of chop just over the border. where they go to border formalities, and they are received by volunteers. they are coming off the trains very, slowly because they are now being agreed that the trained by police who are helping them get off the train, and are determining what help they need. they then come across here, you'll slowly see people coming across. everybody who comes across is greeted by a volunteer in a red vest or a green vest or an orange vest. these are typically church groups that are greeting these people, they've got food, they help them with their bags, they help them with their children. they've got medication, they've got water and then they are taken inside the train station, if they need to go there, to determine what their next step
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is. there are animals coming, out there are little children you can see coming out. the police are, literally, escorting everyone who needs help into this area, where they are getting help. they, generally speaking, don't stay here in záhony. they go to other places, because this is a small town. they are on to budapest, vienna, warsaw, other places in western europe. the situation, we are covering, only stands to get worse with new news that we have. breaking news on the war front, this morning. russia has escalated this war in a major way. conducting missile strikes overnight, targeting a base that is 12 miles from ukraine's border. with the nato ally poland. that base is also known as the international peacekeeping and security center, it regularly hosts nato instructors, soldiers and drills. it is 20 miles northwest of lviv, which is a city we have been reporting from that has been considered safer. where refugees from central and
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eastern ukraine have been fleeing. many of our reporters have been reporting from there, in fact, we are going to go there very shortly. in this attack, overnight, at least 35 people were killed, 134 injured. in western ukraine, near the nato border. notably, it's part of a pipeline which nato and other foreign countries used to funnel weapons and other aid into ukraine. a pipeline which russia said yesterday was fair game to attack. those attacks seem to have begun. the attack also comes hours after the united states announced an additional $200 million in arms and equipment for ukraine. also, in western ukraine, russia has conducted more missile attacks on the airport in ivano-frankivsk. that is the second such attack on that side in the last three days. that is 120 miles from where i am here, in hungary. new video, which we must warn he was tough and disturbing to watch, shows wrapped bodies
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being taken off a cart and buried in a mass grave in the town of -- , which is just outside of kyiv. in the video, people say there are three more mass graves just like this one. the person recording said they are filming the, quote, consequences of war. in the case of putin's war, that means mass graves for civilians. in air pean, the town directly south of there, the ap reports the bodies now line the streets. waiting, if even possible, to be picked up for mass burial. other mass graves have been reported in mariupol, the southern ukrainian city that's been under unrelenting russian attack. has been without electricity, water, gas food and medical and other supplies, with essentially all communications cutoff. i'm running into people from that part of ukraine, who have arrived here in hungary, they say they have no contact with the family members they have left behind. yesterday, doctors without
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borders released audio from a conversation with a staff member in the city, reporting that remaining, residents of which there, thousands have been without food, mauve, or medication for, quote more than a week, maybe ten days. people are dying because, of quote, lack of medication and many people who are injured are just lying on the ground. neighbors are digging holes on the ground and putting their bodies inside. and ap journalist witnesses saying tanks firing at an apartment building in the city, was in a hospital with -- their reports that humanitarian convoys destined for the city have been attacked and pillaged by russian forces. elsewhere in the east, ukraine's national railroad says that a train full of people fleeing came under fire and that at least one person, the conductor, was killed. in his nightly address, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy says that the entire country is now the front line. and that, quote, a few small
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towns just don't exist now. adding, quote, they are gone, the people are, gone they're gone forever. zelenskyy spoke with ukrainian prime minister yesterday, who is trying to act as a mediator. zelenskyy reportedly said he was open to meeting with russia's putin in israel, but only if a cease-fire was in place. the french president, emmanuel macron, and german chancellor olaf scholz hole held a 90 minute call with putin yesterday, where they push for an immediate cease fire, paired the french government. who described the talks as, quote, very frank and difficult. adding that putin showed no willingness to stop the war and sounded, quote, determined to obtain his objectives. according to the kremlin's account of the call, putin gave the german and french leaders are briefing, on the quote, real state of affairs in ukraine. joining me, now from lviv, ukraine. nbc's molly hunter, and in poland and bc's kelly cobiella. molly, i'll start with you. the overnight strike on the
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military facilities, about 20 miles from lviv. what more can you tell us about it? >> yeah, ali, as you said, this is a big escalation. this is the most western attack that the russians have launched in ukraine. we woke up to erudite at about 3:30 am, we did hear about two hours ago more arid sirens. as you, mentioned the death toll has gone up rapidly in the last hour. 35 people have been killed, 134 injured. according to the ukrainian officials in the area, the russians launched 30 cruise missiles. they do say they shot down many of them but, still, that is a massive death toll. i just want to show you where we are, ali. we are at the -- station, something you're very familiar with of course. people waiting in line for the buses to poland, trying to get to where kelly, is to get to other people. excuse me, i will stay on with you. ali, i do also have an update on mary opal, that humanitarian
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corridor we've been talking about so much. the agreement with the cease-fires, with mary opal and other besieged cities. humanitarian aid gets in and civilians get out. we have not heard any success with civilians getting out of mariupol, but that humanitarian corridor, that convoy, that has been traveling overnight with 100 tons of humanitarian aid. we believe it is two hours from variable, so we will keep you posted if we hear any more on that, ali. >> all right, molly, thank you. by the, way we operate, we hear our control rooms and each other with easier pieces, as you know. the communication becomes difficult in places like this, sometimes a false, out that's what is happening with molly. but she is going to continue reporting for us in lviv. let's go to poland, kelly cobiella is there. kelly, you have generally been watching, as i have, the refugees coming in. but, now something more serious has developed. you've had an attack that is 12 miles off the polish border. poland being a nato country, poland being a country that is
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armed with patriot missiles that can intercept missiles that come in. this is getting dangerously close to that war between russia and nato, that nato in the west have been trying to avoid. >> yeah, we have not yet heard from the polish government on the strike in western ukraine. but, we have been talking to people in poland over the last several days. we've talked about how they have opened their homes, opened their hearts, come out in the tens of thousands to volunteer. part of the reason is they are so concerned about this country being drawn into war. they are worried that they could be next. we are actually at a village, just five miles from the border, yesterday. it's a village of about 500 people. they've taken in about 80 refugee families. we spoke to an older couple, retired, couple in their 70s, and they said that the reason they took in refugees, and still have more space in their home, is because they're worried that they could be in this position soon. they can see ukraine from their
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border, they're worried that if the war does, in fact, move farther west, closer to poland that, they could mistakenly, perhaps, be hit by a strike. there's a lot of concern in this country, even though it's a nato country. they feel slightly more confident, more secure because they are part of nato. but still, nerves are very rattled in this country. and have been four days. this strike, in western ukraine, will only add to that. and then, ali, we're talking about refugees coming over the border. people are still coming. there's also concern that even those flows of people could increase, even more, now that there's been a strike in western ukraine. ali? >> molly, you are saying we had not heard from the polish government yet. but give us some sense of the fact that, though it is a nato country, sorry, kelly, not
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molly. you said you hadn't heard from the polish government. give us some sense, though, about how this all works. because obviously it's not an attack on a nato country, 12 miles was pretty close but it's not in poland. but, nato is on high alert for these kinds of things. if there is anything that feels like an attack on a nato country, it triggers a nato response. it's not immediate, but they meet, and they make a decision on whether that is to be considered an attack and whether there should be a nato wide response. >> that's right. if there is some sort of attack on nato, on poland. if, perhaps, there is an explosion on the side of the border, than that would have to be investigated. is that a purposeful strike on poland? is that an errant strike on part of ukraine? a meeting among nato my embers, does that mean there's been an attack on main nato? is there some sort of military response that is required? and, then of course, the stakes
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go through the roof. then we are talking about nato countries, including the united states, having to respond. having to retaliate and defend their nato partners. we've heard secretary blinken, vice president kamala harris and the president say that every inch of nato territory will be defended. and that strike, today, in the early morning hours, was only about 20 miles from the polish border. so, you can see how these things could, even a mistake, even as slightly off target strike, could come perilously close to a nato country and bring all of nato into this conflict. very, very dangerous times, ali. >> yeah. very frightening, across nato countries. including hungry, where i am. where people would like to think they're, safer because they have this joint defense
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agreement. the largest military defense joined agreement in the world. but, as these things get, closer we measure them in miles, it becomes problematic. kelly, thank you very much for your reporting. molly, in lviv as well, we'll stay very close to you over the course of the next few hours. joining me is raggedy ann, reporter at large for the washington post. he's reported on conflicts for decades, traveling more than 65 countries for. work he remains in kyiv. what is the situation there? >> hi ali, good to be with. you the situation in kyiv, there's been less bombings in the last few days. that doesn't mean the tragedy is offended by any means, and pat people have been fleeing. you mentioned the towns of abuja, repeating, there is people fleeing those towns every day. i was at one low occasion yesterday between irpin and boots, with ukrainian forces
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and then 700 meters down the russians. in, between people, refugees, displaced people were walking. parents with fathers and daughters, others carrying their bags. they're walking down this road that was filled with the wreckage of russian tanks, they walked past corpses of russian soldiers all the way to the ukrainian positions. after, that they went on to kyiv. that is happening every day still. >> let's talk about this situation in kyiv. for people on the, outside what we've been hearing, i keep running at the people who are from a pain or places around kyiv but i managed to get out, but for a lot of, people a lot of, ukrainians they're heading into kyiv because they feel that it's safer than being in the suburbs as the russians start to close and on that city. which we are told could be completed in less than ten days. >> well, you know, i would take
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that with a grain of salt actually. from what i've, seen certainly in areas in the north of the capital, ukrainian forces are putting up a very stiff resistance to the russians. they've yet to surround, completely, the capital. they're definitely in the north, they're moving from the northeast, coming, in and some actually from the western side. but they have not surrounded the south yet. so, people right now, yes, they're fleeing the northern area. northern suburbs of kyiv. places like opinion, bucha, which are considered suburbs although they are their own cities. they're coming into the capitol, others have been asking to leave but others going southward. going to town for the, below where there has been far less attacks. so, it's definitely a mixed picture here. >> and, you've been posting stuff on twitter, we've been
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hearing from people cole come in here, and the stories are horrific from people outside of kyiv, the shelling of residential areas, people being killed. it's hard to make sense of how bad it can be. but you've been seeing, that you've been reviewing this video and it seems like there are civilians being killed. it seems like there are residential areas being targeted. >> absolutely. increasingly, day by day, the ground between combatants and non combatants is being blurred. i've visited areas around kyiv that are without a doubt residential areas, i've interviewed families who are without a doubt civilians, and who have lost children, wives, mothers in laws, and so on. just yesterday, there was a report by ukrainian authorities of a village east of kyiv, in
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which russian troops allegedly shot seven people trying to flee a village, including a child. so all these reports are surfacing daily, and even though the bombing and bombardments of kyiv are significantly less over the past few days than in other cities, around ukraine. >> so what about the seizure idea? tell me about that? because u.s. intelligence says when and if the russian intelligence are able to close the city, off supply lines closed, evacuation corridors close, and then kyiv exists on what it's got in it. what do we know about that? how well stocked is kyiv? are they preparing for the siege of kyiv? >> absolutely. they are preparing for. it we are starting to see some shortages around the capitol, definitely, of medicines for example. as well as you can go to grocery stores, many of the shelves are being depleted.
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people are waiting for, gassed whatever they can find a grocery store they lineup. at the same time the people who crave void -- territorial defence forces, they are civilians who have weapons and guarding the capital. they are setting up barricades of tires, sandbags, even trucks, and armored personnel vehicles. even in one place i saw subway trains come together to block roads, to prevent any russian tanks from entering the capitol. people are making molotov cocktails and other forms of preparation. they're definitely preparing for a possible siege, a possible invasion of the capital by russian forces. he capital by russian forces. >> so, stay safe, i know you know your way around these kinds of conflicts but this one
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seems uniquely serious and dangerous. correspondent at large at the washington post, joining us from kyiv. the united youth -- the united nations reports 2.7 million refugees have left, many of them children, and it's obvious when you look around where we are. you see how many children are here. after the break, we go underground to the subway stations turned into bunkers where ukrainian families are seeking safety. and the former president, petra poroshenko, see -- takes up arms to join this country to defend this country. that's live, coming up. that's live, coming up ♪ ♪ ♪
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has forced civilians to find refuge in a variety of places that they normally would not look. bombshell to, is bonkers, and train tunnels. nbc's matt bradley takes us underground where many ukrainians are camping out and look at the small side of hope, beneath the cities under cities. >> under constant shelling from a bomb, life in ukraine has moved down below. for two weeks, this family in kyiv made this their new home. >> we give them a hug, a case, we say it'll come to an end soon, we're sitting nearby our house. we're not leaving this city. they sleep on mats, their food
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isn't jars, they're water in bottles. for some, this is the only life they have ever known. these babies were born in the shelter in the southern city of here son, and there is a aspect to life underground -- even a bit of drama. actors in the city of ivan of unconvinced, perform a show of a war as a real one rate rages above. also in the second largest city of ivan, of live -- yesterday this was a subway station, but today it has stopped and people have flooded down here seeking refuge and safety. they are terrified and they don't know what is next. >> when this woman's own saw the bombs, she didn't know where to go. she heard about the metro from her friend on instagram. >> are you going to spend the night on the subway? >> yes i have a child, 1.5
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years old, and a sister, 3.5, we don't feel safe risking our kids. we're staying here. >> veronica says she doesn't feel safe. she has led to more -- berlin. dark days, but ukrainians hope it will soon be light at the end of the tunnel. matt bradley, nbc news, utah, or new ukraine. >> thank you for that report right after the break, i'm going to be joined by lisa gascón, who is appealing to the international community for help. but first i'm going to talk to petro poroshenko, who's dugout in kyiv is committed to preventing russian invasion. this is on the border of ukraine. no no
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hungary. it is a border town, it's where the trains, are there is another border town on the other side of the ukrainian border where the refugees come in and they do their customs formality. then they arrive. here the border is right behind me. people are coming to seek refuge amid the russian invasion of ukraine. my next guest left ukraine to go to, france to speak to the european parliament on behalf of ukraine, after spending the last two weeks inside the country, defending her country. her main message to europe is, quote, there might not be tomorrow for many ukrainians if we don't act today. joining me now is lisa yeah scow, a member of ukrainian parliament. she is in scars burke france, on the council of europe. lisa, thank you for being with us. first off, it was quite a journey for you to get out of, ukraine to get to france. are you getting a proper
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reception from the european parliament? because, what you are saying is what we are seeing. we've got 2.7 million refugees, there was an initial estimate that it would be 5 million. there are now concerns that it will be even worse than that. the stories from in ukraine are getting more and more dire by the moment. >> well, i'm sure that europe has never been united so strongly as it is right now. we feel that. all ukrainians feel it personally. but, of course, the pace of some decisions is not as fast as we would like it to be. we are calling for closing the sky, for military assistance. we are calling for stopping trade with russia, for oil and gas, embargoes. it all takes time. some governments are reluctant, are not brave enough, thinking that it will provoke putin. but, in fact, this is not true. because putin invents reasons.
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not linked to what is different from nato or non nato countries. i was also crossing the border, where you are right now, they're hungary and slovakia. very heartbreaking moments, very hard to see so many refugees. i also welcomed many people here in france, coming from ukraine, especially from kyiv, the suburbs. all of them are in quite bad shape, bent out of shape. many children are very traumatized. honestly, at this point, i have no idea how to treat it all. only piece can change that. the state news it's coming every day, we don't know when it's going to stop. it's very hard right now. >> there has certainly been a feeling in europe, and you have been talking to some of these
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people, that they don't want to escalate, they don't want to bring nato into a direct war with russia. but we have had this news overnight, about a missile that has, a missile attack, on a base inside ukraine, west of lviv. about 12 kilometers, 12 miles, from the border with poland, which does have antiaircraft batteries, anti missile batteries, patriot missiles and things like that. but the thing is getting very, very close. do you think that has an impact on the european members of parliament who you're talking about? that this battle is not about a little part of eastern ukraine that russia says they are there to protect russians speakers. this is now all over ukraine, including on nato's border. >> definitely. i'm sure that many countries and governments and parliamentarians, indifferent european countries, understand that there should be very strong security measures. i'm talking, now, about the military, different security
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protocols that should be used. very quickly prepared. as i said, unfortunately, some of those things come a little bit too late. we could prevent this tragedy and this invasion but, unfortunately, some of the western actors were too late. now, it is better late than never, of course. of course, there is a hope. another problem, a humanitarian problem, the number of refugees is growing. i'm sure that almost every european government now understands that it is better and it is important to help ukraine, to protect, now. to ensure peace in some future, possible future. because, then, there will be millions of people, refugees, coming to the countries. it's already a problem, it's very hard to find accommodation anywhere. people are coming and coming
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and, especially after a few days ago in the west of ukraine, so many people were leaving other parts of ukraine to the west. but now in the west, it's also not safe. so, the situation is pretty bad. >> i want to ask you, you talk about no fly zones, you and i have talked about this before. that is obviously a sticking point with the west. the other weaponry, including the airplanes that poland has discussed. but you also mentioned oil and gas purchases. america has ceased oil and gas purchases and trade with russia, but america doesn't get as much oil from russia as europe does. the countries of europe do. hungry, where i am, germany, italy. these are all countries that are highly dependent on those exports from russia. how is that discussion going? how is it that you are able to talk to these european parliament members and say, yes, your people will feel pain but the consequence of not feeling that pain or at the gas pump or
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with heating oil, it may be the disappearance of ukraine as an independent company and russia expanded further into europe. >> well, these kinds of discussions are in process and i'm sure they will reach some important results. people on the ground, in different societies, including german societies, are demanding from their governments, actually, to impose that embargo. it would also give opportunities for the private sectors in other countries to grow and be less dependent on russia. so, i'm sure it's coming, but the question is when and how brave some governments are, to make it faster. even when it comes with a quite significant economic -- . but this is what we need right now, if we want to have fewer -- in a different way. you hear about the security, about economy, about everything.
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>> lisa, thank you for your time today. i hope you meet with success in your discussions with the european parliament. lisa yeah scow is a member of the ukrainian parliament. i want to show you, now we've got breaking news that we've been telling you about. now this is new video, showing the aftermath of an overnight russian missile strike on a military base that is roughly 12 miles from ukraine's border with poland. poland is a nato country. this base is known as the international peacekeeping and security center, it regularly host nato instructors, soldiers and military drills. what we now know is that at least 35 people were killed in that attack, and at least 134 have been injured. it is, notably, part of the pipeline which nato and other western countries have been using to funnel weapons and aid into ukraine. vladimir putin said, very clearly, that pipeline and those convoys, that take that aid, are fair game for attack.
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it now looks like he has lived up to his word on that. we will continue to follow the story. yesterday, while i was here in záhony, i spoke with a man named all over who is aiding refugees from ukraine. it is a lutheran pastor from germany, his upbringing in heavily divided berlin influenced his decision to leave home and offer assistance on the side of europe. >> i think hungary is the main place to go, the most important place to go, because poland seems to work -- with romania. so we wanted to come here. i wanted to talk also, a little bit, about my heart. i was born in 1965. when i grew up, i grew up in a situation of a growing piece. the wall of berlin went down, and i was so shocked when the war began. together, with my friends, we said we have to go and do something. just to help. we had the idea, we took a
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little team of translators together and come here. perhaps, we thought at first we are just catastrophe tourists, but we came here and saw that help was really needed. so we have been here already for two weeks. eady for two weeks. st theretoo late! boom! earn big time with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours. every year we try to exercise more, to be more social, to just relax. and eating healthy every single meal? if only it was this easy for us. okay everyone, our mission is to provide complete balanced nutrition for strength and energy. woo hoo!
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people who are ready to board a train west, two other points in hungary and to budapest. over the last week or, so you have seen me in different towns and villages along hundreds eastern border with ukraine. where refugees escape via train, via bus, car or on foot. they are fleeing what one woman described to me as hell on earth, with way stations like the one i'm at. they're just stops, along a grueling journey, with an uncertain destination. many of the images you see show refugees either fleeing a war torn ukraine or arriving in a neighboring country, where they receive food, water, clothing and shelter. what you don't see is the in
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between, the packed train rides, the miles of walking while dragging only the belongings they have the strengthen arms to carry. often food and supplies for their children, who are too young to carry anything themselves. waiting in lines for transport, or out of border crossing for food or for drink four hours, in the bone-chilling cold. the plight of a refugee is, thankfully, unimaginable for most of us. there are more than two and a half million people and counting going through it right now. it's hard to even conceptualize. two and a half million people fleeing one country in a matter of two weeks. but these two and a half million, including those around me in hungary, are just about 10% of the number of refugees in the world right now. a refugee is someone who has been forced to flee their country, because of war, violence, conflict or persecution. according to the united nations high commission for refugees, there are currently 26.4 million refugees in the world. like the ones we see streaming out of ukraine, more than half
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of them are under the age of 18. more than two thirds, 68% of all refugees, a red originate from five countries. syria, venezuela, afghanistan, south sudan and myanmar. soon we will add ukraine to that list, and there are many others. including those displaced within their own countries, like the uyghurs of china. removed from their homes and placed in labor camps while having that culture extinguished. they're all countries that are locked in conflict, or otherwise being ruled by undemocratic governments. these are the five countries that have taken in the largest number of refugees. turkey, columbia, pakistan, uganda, and germany. the world struggles with the idea of different people with different languages, different faiths and cultures, streaming over their borders. but it shouldn't. there is one outlier here, by the way. according to the united nations works and relief agency for palestine, of the 26.4 million
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refugees in the world, 5.7 million are palestinian. many of them having been refugees since 1948, largely ignored by the international community. effectively erased by israel and the united states. the ukrainian people, for the most, part have been met with great hospitality by the eastern european neighbors during this conflict. including this country, hungary. where the racist far-right government, who were brutally cruel to the arab and african refugees who came here seven years ago. but, most of the world's refugees are not, welcome not welcomed with open arms. between the civil society organizations, the non governmental organizations, who operate in places like this to provide them with immediate needs. now, maybe this one is different, because, like those trying to escape afghanistan last, year we are watching a televised humanitarian crisis unfold before our eyes. it's much easier to care about something you can see. over the last week, i've witnessed some of the most heartbreaking scenes that i've ever had a chance to witness.
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i've had some of the most heart wrenching conversations with my career. what stands out, for me, are three things. the cruelty that we continue to show one another, conversely, the kindness that were able to show one another, was strangers helping strangers and, finally and most importantly, the strength of the human spirit. the will that these brave people have, to survive. and one day return home. despite having lost almost everything. because all refugees dream of going home, and most never will. what's europe and the world have shown these refugees is right and good, it's what we owe each other as humans. in this, moment if bearing witness to the tragedy has opened your eyes to the unique suffering of a refugee, let's make sure to remember and help the other 27 million refugees around the world who are every bit as deserving of our attention, our money, our political support and our humanity. who said only this is good?
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commission for refugees estimates a nearly 2.7 million people have fled ukraine since the start of the ukraine invasion. as you can see on this map, the vast majority, almost 1.7 million people have escaped to poland. and i will, say poland has a much more structured system for receiving these refugees than where i am, in hungary, where it's mostly civil societies. more than 246,000 of taken refugees here in hungary, it's the second largest group. joining us now is david miliband. he's our secretary for the united kingdom, he serving as the president of the international relief committee. overseeing relief of firsts for the war. david, i wanted to say what i just said in the last segment to remind people that, if you find this shocking, and you find as different -- offensive, that people are like, this and that people have to
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escape their homes with what they can carry, this is one tenth of the refugees in the world. and i don't even know that might be a conservative estimate. but we have 27 million people displaced people and refugees all of whom some suffered something similar. >> it was a truly brilliant piece, here emphasis on the cruelty of war, the kindness of strangers, and the current enis of you have to use is a very powerful indeed. you are right to stretch stress total for refugees, but you're also right to say 90% of refugees are not from ukraine. 95%. they also mentioned in passing, people of refugees in their own country. that is about 45 million but
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not economic migrants even. >> million in total or world records. there are more wars, certainly more wars going around the world at any time since the cold war a 1990. it also speaks to the fact that internal displacement should be seen inside the refugee status when the cost supporter generally poor countries >> for many countries in the world, that is sobering as well. >> would you like the of to suffer migration and refugees. it's inherently thought of it is invasive, as dangerous, as things that neutralize undiluted how countries clobber. so many of these languages,
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they will change our culture. and i know you've argued about thinking about migration in the world differently. we're gonna stop where we stop are gonna have a lot more migration in the world either because of politics, or climate, i things like that. how do you argue that people should think about this? >> i think there's two things that are very important. first of, all system failure when it comes to diplomacy needs to be addressed. when people are fleeing for their lives, traumatized in the way that you described so powerfully this morning, and in your previous reports, the second thing i would emphasize those that they have contributed, and we've got a lot of second thumbs. , if you get adults into work, the contribute. that's why i always try to avoid the word burden when it comes to hosting families. when i talk about is countries
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fulfilling the responses. which we know have, because as far as we go -- we know what works and we need to make these people effective contributors. if they become patriotic citizens, for the only recently for their lives. >> i greeted a woman who got off the train, she said i am alive and i have my hands. i will find work, that ideal of people who leave the countries, having a remarkable determination. that's another thing i see around, here is other people who come around the world to help. she was watching on tv, and his early women, and that came to help. i've met, americans journals, frenchman, also to people.
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people ask me what can i do? what can people watching this do to help the situation? and the situation of the other 45 million people. >> the pm p -- the state organization that message in europe are very strong. i would say there's a couple things people can do this morning. one, they should learn about the global issues. that's on the irc website, and they can see how this is a global problem. secondly, but it's a lot of cities across the u.s., that's why and we're getting some chance for an adult. local volunteering out these. not because it was a non governmental organizations we needed to make sure the
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governments and we needed to appreciated. >> i'm gonna direct my viewers to an article you wrote for time magazine. it's not an operation, there's a lot going on. david, thank you as always fear analysis and are important contributions to this. david is a former uk foreign secretary, and the president and ceo of the international rescue committee. those wondering how to help people of ukraine, the international rescue committee has a number of resources as david just talked about. heading to rescue.org, to make a donation or to get involved. our next guest has been no russia under two that we've already been involved. this is velshi, live in hungary, on the -- on the border. on the border.
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hungry, on the border, joining us is william taylor and ambassador to the ukraine ambassador to the bush and obama administration. he was ambassador in kyiv, in 2019. vice president of the -- of peace. good to see you again. you and i have been talking regularly, and yet each day, something more develops.
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we've had too serious to violence in the last few hours. one is that russian missile strike has come very very close to the nato border. with poland, 12 miles from that border. and the other is this refugee crisis is moving at a faster rate than we expected. and the humanitarian crisis inside the country is growing more and more dire. has that changed the way you thinking about the west and the way nato should be responding in this moment? >> it just emphasizes how important it is to support ukraine right now. they're on the front lines of this battle, this plight-less war that they didn't choose. russians imposed with the right not to be in truth. >> it's really important to us. >> >> it's important that we provide all the services to everyone so they can vote this so fertile. you are making a great job
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demonstrating, and drawing attention to it. it's the result of this war, that the russians have imposed on ukraine. ukrainians need to win this, we need to support than, they are fighting our war. >> positive we are reporting on hospitals attacked these things are not forgiven or this is not a war that you would want to have a new part of. does this crossing over into the line of war determine into a different approach that nato had, regardless of whether the members a member of nato? >> you're exactly right. this is warcrimes. and it illustrates to the and he's resorting to this bombardment of cities. . also is a villain, this is not
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a well thought out complain, this is a war, crime and he may be desperate, he may be running out of time. maybe his arm is running out of ammunition. this is the time for all nato nations to stand up, provide additional support, weapons, ammunition, to the ukrainians of a how those two ambitions of, by they can audit out, and face the battle of kyiv. >> i just spoke to a member of parliament from their queen, who has gone to strasbourg to speak to the european parliament. in addition to the no fly zone, and military equipment asking for, they're asking for the ukraine to stop the imports of gas. that's what your peasant done. that's hard for european countries to do because of how determined they are, but can they be convinced to do so? >> ali, they may be convinced. europeans are really stepping up.
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europeans are making major changes to their foreign policy, their defense policy. they are turning around and recognizing the threat to them. they are stepping up, not only their military support for ukraine, but also their vulnerability. they are dressing their vulnerability to the russians energy blackmail. they are taking big steps on natural gas, reducing it dramatically. yes it's hard, yes it's painful, yes it's expensive. it's expensive for us as well. but they are already stepping up, they're showing it can beat. they're showing how important it is to defeat mr. putin right there, in ukraine. >> ambassador, we're always grateful for your analysis and your expertise. bill taylor is the former united states ambassador to ukraine during the obama and bush administrations. don't go anywhere, another hour of velshi live from záhony, hungry begins now. good morning, it is sunday,
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