changes to their foreign policy, their defense policy. they are turning around and recognizing the threat to them. they are stepping up, not only their military support for ukraine, but also their vulnerability. they are dressing their vulnerability to the russians energy blackmail. they are taking big steps on natural gas, reducing it dramatically. yes it's hard, yes it's painful, yes it's expensive. it's expensive for us as well. but they are already stepping up, they're showing it can beat. they're showing how important it is to defeat mr. putin right there, in ukraine. >> ambassador, we're always grateful for your analysis and your expertise. bill taylor is the former united states ambassador to ukraine during the obama and bush administrations. don't go anywhere, another hour of velshi live from záhony, hungry begins now. good morning, it is sunday,

march the 13th. i'm ali velshi, it is 2 pm here in záhony, hungary. 3 pm across the border and ukraine. russia's brutal war against ukraine rages on for an 18th day. just hours ago, according to ukraine, russia staged a major escalation. striking a military base just 12 miles from ukraine's border with the nato ally poland. this is a move that comes perilously close to an attack on a nato country, that could compel a military response by the world's largest military alliance. something that the united states and its nato allies have tried to avoid. until now, most of the reports we've been getting out of ukraine have come from the southern, eastern and northern parameters of the country. where russian forces have focused their attacks. which is why many of the refugees fleeing the country have been traveling west, to countries like hungary and poland. but, overnight, according to the mayor of lviv, eight missiles had a ukrainian military base located just 12 miles from the polish border.

and about 20 miles west of lviv, where many refugees have traveled through in the past few weeks to get to safer locations in western countries. what you are watching now is new video from that attack on the military base, which regularly hosted nato instructors, military drills. city officials say that 35 people have been killed, 134 others were injured in those attacks. notably, the base was used by nato and other foreign countries to funnel weapons and other aid into ukraine. that is something which vladimir putin said yesterday was fair game to attack. it looks like he is done so. plus mornings bombing follows attacks on other targets in western ukraine, the past few days. on friday, russian airstrikes fired missiles at the military air fields in lutsk, and ivano-frankivsk. four soldiers were killed at the attack on lutsk, which rattle the region in ukraine that had been thought of as a relative safe haven. until now, most of the fighting had been having in the eastern half of the country.

around the capital city of kyiv. diplomats, journalist and civilians trying to get away from the worst of the fighting retreated to western cities, like lviv. but this weekend's attacks may have just upended that feeling of relative safety. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is not likely to be surprised by this morning's attack, he had a lot to say this weekend as he held a press conference in kentucky to keep in touch with international leaders. in remarks yesterday, he warned that russia would be inflicting, quote, and new stage of terror, and quote, in his country. that comment was partially in response to the alleged abduction of the mayor of militia poll by russian forces on friday. yesterday, that the people took to the street in multiple protests and demand from the mayor who has not been heard from since his abduction. now, a woman, to chen go, has declared herself the leader of multiple. their original leaders say she

was installed as mayor by russian forces. hours, ago they say a second ukrainian mayor, from the zaporizhzhia region, was captured by russians as well. even as the russians step up their aggression, zelenskyy continues to communicate a message of defiance. he said that if russia wants to take control of kyiv they will have to, quote, kill us all. later in the hour, i will be joined by petra georges and go. the former president of ukraine who was succeeded by zelenskyy. he also remains in kyiv, all the speaking with him about the situation there. meanwhile, in response to ukraine's continued calls for, helped the united states has authorized another $200 million in the additional military assistance aid. that brings the total amount the u.s. has given to ukraine to 1.2 billion dollars so far. yesterday, french president emmanuel macron, and german chancellor olaf scholz, spoke with putin, demanding an immediate cease fire. but, a french officials said, putin was not showing signs

that he planned to end the war anytime soon. which isn't surprising, considering the increasingly alarming rhetoric from russia this week. the kremlin has called the sanctions imposed on russia by the west a declaration of economic war, and has made baseless accusations that ukraine was preparing a chemical attack. yesterday, russia said that convoys carrying weapons to ukraine would be considered, quote, legitimate targets. on top of, that concerns continue to grow as the humanitarian situation worsens inside ukraine and the dangers to civilians continue to increase. according to the washington post, russians attacks have hit at least nine medical facilities around the country, so far. including a one on thursday, in mary opal. deliberately attacking medical facilities is a war crime. yesterday, the associated press captured this video of a russian military tank, identified by the white v. painted on its side, firing at a residential building in mariupol. firing on residential buildings is a war crime.

nbc's kelly cobiella joins me from poland, nbc's molly hunter joins me from lviv, ukraine. kelly, i want to start with you. the military base that was attacked this morning, it's very close to poland, it's 12 miles from poland. that's got to have both polish and nato authorities on very high alert. >> well, polish nerves have been rattled for quite some time already, ali. as we've been talking about this, there is a sense here that poland could be next. there is a real fear among people, particularly in this part of poland, that they could be drawn into this war. and this will only heightened those concerns. and make people that much more nervous. we were at a very small village, near the border, about five miles from the, border, yesterday. this is a small town of 500, they've taken in 80 families just in this small town, from ukraine. we spoke to an older couple who had taken in a family of refugees, they said we know we

are a nato country, we understand that we're a part of that defensive alliance, but we are still worried. we're still worried that the war could come here and, if it does, we are five miles from the border. we could be in the same position, we could be evacuated from our homes to a different part of poland. so, there is very much a concern there. in the meantime, there is also a worry that this will drive even more people, maybe increase the flow of refugees out of the country. as you mentioned, that strike was 12 miles from the border. then the decal border crossing is the busiest border crossing in poland, tens of thousands come over every day. there are 80, 000, nearly, refugees coming over into poland from ukraine, yesterday alone. there is a real issue here, about more refugees flowing, through about the safety, frankly, of those refugees as i moving into poland. and then just, secondly, ali,

we should mention there is increasing concern in this country the number of people and poland's ability to absorb. them warsaw and krakow, now, have said that they just don't have the space. they can't accommodate everyone, they can't deal with even more people coming in. the mayor of warsaw, in particular, calling on the international community now, to start some sort of active, organized relocation program for these people. so they have someplace safe to stay. ali? >> yeah, it's an important point you make. at the 2.8 million people have left, 1.7 million have gone to poland. molly, let's talk about the situation where you, are in lviv. particularly, but in russia writ large. this attack was about 20 miles west of where you, are in lviv. the refugees i was talking to are people who want from eastern and central ukraine to lviv, because that was thought of as the safe spot.

>> exactly, ali. and a pick up on sunday kelly was talking about, we are in the west of the, country we are in lviv. this is the destination for anyone fleeing the violence in kyiv, in kharkiv, in those beseeched and very heavily bombarded cities in the east. then, from here, this is a departure point to where kelly is in poland, or hungry of course where you are, or other european destinations. however, there are a lot of people who are just staying here. so, according to the un, 2 million idp's have been displaced around the country. i think real numbers much, much higher. just here in the city, there are a lot of people who have told us that they want to wait it out. they want to contribute to their country, they don't want to leave. what we're going to do this afternoon, ali, is go talk to these people here. there are so many people out and about, whether this has changed their calculation. whether this no longer feel safe. as you mentioned, this is the westernmost attacked the russians have launched. they launched 30 cruise missiles on this military base,

according to the ukrainians they're able to shoot down 22 so only eight actually landed. this is a base is used regularly by nato, including american troops, for drills. since 2015, american troops have regularly gone there. we woke up to the air raid sirens overnight, at 3:30 am and again, during the, day we heard arid sirens at 11:30. i wonder if this is really a sign to come, really rattles nerves. i have to, say when i heard those air raid sirens during the day, here at 11 am, no one moved, ali. as those attacks get closer and closer to lviv, if that's what happens, i think we'll start to see behavior change here and more people heading for where kelly is. ali? >> i beg you made an interesting point there. i just spoke to david miliband, in the last hour. when you think about refugees in the, world the 27 million of them, when you add the number of displaced people in their own countries that number more than doubles. that is happening in ukraine, as well. there's a whole lot of people who have not left the country but they are not in the homes that they were living, in

they're in a different part of the country. i'm worried about the two of you, because these attacks are getting closer and closer to where you are. please keep your team safe and please stay safe, we will stay close to you. kelly kabeya in poland, and bc's molly hunter in lviv, ukraine. joining me now is heather connally, she is the president of the german marshall fund. she's also a deputy state for europe and eurasian affairs, where she co-led u.s. affairs to engage nato. heather, these developments overnight. i want to first of all get your take on this. when you look at that map, of where that attack took place, it says everything you need to say. that spot, that dot, 12 miles from poland, could very easily be poland. that changes the game. tell me, first of all, that these attacks are not about vladimir putin going into eastern ukraine and protecting russians speakers from a genocide that he provided no evidence of. they are attacking western

ukraine, on the nato borders. >> absolutely. in some, ways it is surprise like that this hasn't happened earlier. because, obviously, as we are now entering daily 18 of a conflict that russia thought they could season two days, they are getting bogged down. they are trying to end the supply lines. this is a major, major move to say, look, we are not going to stand for humanitarian and, certainly, lethal military equipment, to continue to flow from the west into for your cranium forces. this is why, ali, this coming week, on the 18th, nato is going to hold an extraordinary meeting. an in-person meeting of nato defense ministers. you will see some very forward leaning announcements, i'm sure, to. that will stick in that defensive line, the eastern flank on nato. it will probably provide some additional air defense capabilities. last, week two patriot batteries were being moved to

the polish border. you're going to see more of this. we have to protect those supply lines, to keep supplying ukrainian military to fight against these russian forces. >> he said the supply lines. vladimir putin said, yesterday, that supply lines are targets. and that's exactly what happened. this was a supply corridor. i guess i want to ask you, from a nato perspective, what is the difference between a deliberate attack in an accidental attack that gets near nato soil? because this is real close. i assume that anybody who fires missiles has an ability to target them exactly where they want them targeted but, boy, poland is nervous right now. and that was really close. >> well, again, what has already happened, poland is an article for in nato. does a consultation process, a missile came extremely close to our border we want an immediate consultation with other nato allies. that will mean we're going to

flow more defensive equipment to poland, perhaps to the baltic states. what's very clear, the alliance has to work together on this. this is not an independent decision, per se, that poland will make. that's what makes us so strong at 30 countries. those decisions are also more challenging at 30 but, again, the alliance is very focused on ensuring that they are backing up their words. that they will defend every inch of nato territory, that this is not in question. but russian artillery is firing, now, of course, very close to the polish border. i think those open lines of communication that general milley has opened with the russian chief of general for uses, chief -- is open once again. they'll have to communicate very clearly that, if they get closer to this, they're getting closer to something they do not want. to someth>> hello this is a miy installation we are looking, at however, as we get this close to the border, we have lineups.

on our side here where her angry is, there are people lined up for hours, and hours, and hours, to get through. it sounds like a different world but are these people, are these ukrainians trying to get out of their country and risk attacks by russian forces as they're trying to get out? >> we have certainly seen where russian forces have attacked, you know, during these fires to allow humanitarian corridors to happen. anything to do to create chaos and lines of communications. civilians fleeing conflict can also cause a lot of disruption to those important supply lines. so, yes, it certainly is not inconceivable that russia would do this. i mean, the kinds of humanity, that the attacks against hospitals, civilians, we understand that, you know, vladimir putin will not stop, there is nothing that is in his way of decency that he won't do.

so in many ways you protect those supply lines protect nato borders and i don't see this again the longer that the ukrainians can resist this brutality, the stronger we get every day as the west. and as taylor said earlier in your program, this is a fight that we cannot afford to lose. and ukrainians are fighting so valiantly for all of our values. this is what this is about. as we are struck by every, you know, extraordinary crime, and a witness to face this fight, and a ukrainians fight for his values. >> thank you for your analysis and expertise. heather connally german marshall. odessa, a ukrainian port city is home to over 1 million people. many are prepared to defend it

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whole, hungary, the ukrainian border is just right there. you can cross by car, by, best buy train. if you're taking the train this is where you come. i'm gonna go to the other side of the station to show you what's exist over here. volunteer groups are helping. they have beverages basic, things, toothbrushes, you can have food, fresh fruit. let me give you some tours and show you what else there is over here. there is services of all types. translation, medical, things like that, but this is where

the food is. so see here, this food supplies, medical supplies, those basic toiletries. baby food is an interesting thing now catering trucks it, or a lot of people who come here that don't need me it's popular you're not to eat me -- to have a lot of meat. this is part of the world central kitchen. josé honors is operation-ing, with a local food truck. they have chickens do with greenpeace and pasta. greenpeace to, i guess it's the same thing but ridden indifferent way. he is the tenth where number of different groups -- watcher step that. that's a step up. here's the tenth or there's a bunch of different beverages, snacks, wherever you go. jim is going to show you, about the things that you can get. if you're on the run there are prepared sandwiches, the making

the sandwiches, they're just constantly it and they just need to get there and they just move -- up these are going to be boxed and given to people so that if they get off the train, they can get a. box with water, with baby food, whatever they need. this space for people to sit. cooking was going on earlier here. earlier i talked to someone from the game and wildlife preservation. these are hunters. every weekend they go on hunting and cook it anyway. i think that's hungarian collection there right? >> it's called a -- made of pork knuckles. >> pork nicols and beans. so there's a collection, they're in the preparation for it right here. this of the civil society are gonna's asians, not the government. there are church groups here who are helping. there are volunteer organizations. i keep running into into

situations unicef, there's not much involvement from the government, and if you just turn around that those police officers. that being very very helpful. we are sean imagery of the police officers who are helping a lot of local kids, a lot of families, as they get off the trains. that is the situation on the side. when i come back on the other side, we want to go back into ukraine. i'm going to be talking to another member of parliament and you can, who is doing with so many of those members of parliament are doing. they're not going to their offices, they are busy doing things that can help their country defend themselves, against attacks from. are you watching the special edition of velshi, is a hot, train station in hungary. hungary for romance. your home for big savings. [ laughs ] hey, mom, have you seen m--

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million refugees have fled the violence and devastation in ukraine so far. some have been able to fly, drive, take trains out of the war torn country. but many ukrainians have needed assistance navigating their way out. my next guest is one of those individuals who has been helping civilians to escape. this is not her normal job, however. joining me now from the kyiv region is enough solve son, a member of parliament in ukraine. enough, this seems to be the standard for members of parliament and ukraine. you're doing things you don't normally do, taking up, arms weapons training. every time we talk, you are somewhere trying to get somebody out of a place. tell me what is going on right, now what is the work that you are currently involved in? >> thank you. yes, it is an extremely tense situation here. we are all now not doing what we typically do. not preparing legislation, debating about the specifics of certain laws. we are doing everything in our power to help coordinate

humanitarian assistance, coordinate the supplies of protective gear to the army. evacuation of people. providing support to the territorial defense, in kyiv and other regions. some of my fellow members of parliament, particularly those who did have military experience before, they are now fighting in different regions in ukraine. my fellow member of parliament, from the same party as myself, -- , he is now fighting on the south of ukraine and protecting the borders there, making sure the russians do not proceed there. that is all we're doing every day, 24/7, literally. our political party, our group, when are when we chat with other members of parliament we are never quiet. communicate 24/7, go to bed for three hours and then we're back to work. this is our new life right now. this is, yeah, this is difficult, it's extremely painful.

we do what we have to do. just like other ukrainians, you are saying that millions of ukrainians are joining forces right now to make sure that we resist this terrible invasion, that putin started on ukraine. the mps are no different than other regular ukrainians. two days ago, i was asked by a friend of a friend who was saying, you are a member of parliament, you probably know some way to get into the territorial defense in kyiv. because now they are not taking any more people, they are over stuffed. >> wow. wow. >> but that is just for you to understand, the level of commitment we are having now. yes, many people are leaving in order to take care of their children, mainly. but those who are staying are 100 percent committed to fighting against the russians. >> well, that is exactly what we are seeing. we see women with their children, sometimes elderly parents coming in here. no man. i did speak to a woman

yesterday, who is from a suburb outside of air pain, where she is saying that they were told by the russians actually to leave. they said your place is going to be destroyed. they were able to take imagery of it, they said anybody who took a picture or video of what was going on had their phone smashed by the russian troops. you are taking a lot of pictures, you are taking pictures of graves, of destruction. because you are trying to show the world that these are, in fact, war crimes. >> to be honest, i don't always take pictures myself. but many other people are taking pictures. unfortunately, it is indeed not always safe. i'm sure you have reported about that already, but half an hour ago we learned that an american journalist, wearing new york times badges, was killed while trying to film evacuations from irpin. his name was brent renault, the new york times has already confirmed that he wrote for the

new york times and that is a confirmed eighth of an american citizen who was, actually, trying to report on what is happening around irpin and how people are suffering. there he was killed while wearing a big sign thing press on his vest. he was killed here in ukraine, so big loss for america and for us as well. that is just showing that the russians have no respect. hospitals, journalists, children. they are just wore monsters, and they need to be stopped. >> of course, nbc's trying to confirm that reporting from a member of this journalist family or from his employers. to the extent that these, in the last week, you know, you and i have talked so many times. each, day the war crime situation seems to be getting more serious. they're people from inside, many of your colleagues, who are saying, at this point the line between whether ukraine is a member of nato or not is

blurred by the fact that a country is experiencing war crimes. a country that had no desire to go to war is now seeing the massive displacement of people inside the country, outside the country. targeting of hospitals, targeting of residences. do you think that changes the minds of european members of parliament? or the eu, or nato, in terms of greater sanctions or greater support? >> well, we are happy to know that the majority of citizens of the european union, and the majority of citizens of united states and canada, are supportive, greatly supportive of ukraine. we are just waiting for that to reflect on the decisions of their respective governments. because, frankly speaking, we do not see the governments reacting enough to this war that putin launched. yes, we are asking for tougher sanctions. i truly wish that the sanctions that we are seeing now, against russia, were imposed in 2014. because, when putin took crimea, when he started the war in donbas, he should have seen the sanctions as the seeing them

right now. then he wouldn't have gone to a full scale war of ukraine. that would have been so much, you know, then we heard this argument that we shouldn't escalate, let's give putin a chance, let's not make him escalate. and now, he escalated. so, every time the west is thinking, okay, we'll try to deal with him diplomatically, maybe he won't escalate further, look at the map. this is how not escalating looks in putin's eyes. i do believe, truly, the west, it is a scary truth but it is the truth, putin is a crazy man with a huge army. and he is in a fight, in a war, against the whole western civilization. it is extremely unfair that ukrainians, alone, have to fight against him. while he is already saying that he will go further. we are hearing reports, we're hearing discussions and russian media, russian propaganda, that we will go to poland next after ukraine, and we will go to lithuania. that is being discussed in

russian media. just wonder when it will be enough for the west that we need help to stop putin here, in ukraine, until he goes further into the european union and nato countries. >> ina often, we know you have a lot to do. so we appreciate it when you take the time to let the world know what is going on in ukraine. ina often is a member of ukrainian parliament. yesterday, we spoke to a man who is being literal when it comes to comfort food for those coming to hungary from ukraine. he is a recreational hunter, hunting is popular along the wooded areas of ukraine which is rich with. game one thing that hunters do here is enjoy good, hot food. now they're putting their efforts to sharing that food with refugees. i asked him what it is on the menu, here in záhony. >> we are producing 1000 to 2000 portions every day. we are making the famous hungarian goulash soup, of course. but, since we are also

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ukraine they're going because they just thought of as a safe place. diplomats and journalists are. they're 12 miles from there, in poland, this is like the biggest escalation in the wake of vladimir putin. supply lines into ukraine are legitimate targets for him, he's made good on that promise you're. take on that please. >> i think the signaling there is that he is prepared to target those convoys, and supply lines outside. that is what he is trying to warn us of. this basis is almost an inevitable target. it's the important international training state. ukraine, similar footprints in southern ukraine, for the navy, but this is by far the biggest one. where the west has invested the most resources along with ukraine to conduct training with ukraine forces, for the past years. and even earlier than that. this is a cork facility. some reports suggest there were

dozens of reports unfortunately, too many lives, lost to many injured. this is going to be a key hub for u.s. activities, meaning supplies the kind we will pass through there and so forth. and it's going to take some ethic from them, of course, in the future. >> and i'm showing on the map, here it is the point that is on the most, left the westernmost point. that's where the attack. you can basically see it's on the polish border. people are saying, not you, colonel, but thinking it would be like crimea. russia was going to recognize those two, what they called independent breakaway republics in the east, and largely that was good to be the thing. they'll try to replace the government in kyiv chiraz does

this change the dynamic for nato and for the west as they just greater sections au courant more -- nato activity? >> i don't think so. unfortunately for u.s., nato they're gonna have to be much more of a human toll before we can get more heavily involved. but i think, again, this is inevitable. these are strategic targets, that the russians were going to hit as they had just since celebrating the start. right now they're no troops on. that's london, aerial program keep a huge amount of citing. >> so that escalation, to you, the thing that will change when you say, a greater toll, are you talking about deaths in

ukraine? or are you talking about these 2.7 plus million i fiji's who have now left the country? >> i think it's gonna be accommodations of those. i think the pressure is building on eastern europe, on paul, and it's going to be enormous. this is going to be a sustained conflict, so they have to deal with an extra, you, know easily 2 million people in poland. probably the next couple weeks so that is going to be a heavy toll. the polls are gonna feel a lot of pressure to respond, and we keep thinking about, you know, nato responses. but it doesn't have to be needed responses. these are sovereign independent states. they can take bilateral action to support ukraine. they're already moving in that direction. frankly, it's amazing they've held out this long. probably with regards to some pressure that nato is bringing, to make sure that everyone stays unified and cohesive who earned a consensus. but that's not the way that things are gonna play out over in enough time now this isn't

one of the ways that i see spillage appearing, and of course, internally, ukraine knew, and that is possible. i think troops at this point would be very very complicated, and risky. but in regards to our support there's a lot more we could be doing and i think it's going to be something devastating, maybe a chemical, weapons employment, or large losses of human life eventually. they could get us to get more involved. >> may what you see not country, but we are watching these things happen as they come in front of us. before global affairs and before zelenskyy became a household name to so many ukrainians petro poroshenko was

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we're back from hung gr along the border with ukraine as we speak russian forces edging closer to ukraine's capital city of kyiv. britain's defense ministry estimates russian forces to be at least 15 miles from the kyiv

center. ukraine's president zelenskyy is still in the capitol and former president of ukraine, country's fifth president and in office just before zelenskyy, and we see you the way we have seen you, mr. president, in your gear, in your body armor. you have said that while that fight is going on and ukrainians are fighting strong, do you have less and less ammunition, not ready to give up, but what is it you need from western allies? >> first of all i want to tell you during the last seven days, the russian occupanters and aggressive do not move ahead. ukrainian brave armed forces keep them in the distance of 15 miles from ukrainian capital and this is right from this place, exactly 15 miles from russian tanks. we are every single day under russian cruise missile and ballistic missile attack and this morning is happening that

the 30 russian cruise missiles blitzkrieg attacked, and security we have more than 35 -- more 30 cruise missiles sent into the point towards nato -- just 20 miles from the nato border. this is a terrorist attack exactly of that order. what we need now, we need -- if on the first day during the war, we need just anti-tank, antiaircraft missile. we need armed carrier and definitely we need military jets. today we should change it, and this is high time for the western world to open the second front against russia. please, learn the experience from their world war ii, and

second is the soldiers. this means need delivered defensive weapons. this means need that we should care about anti-aircraft conflicts, care about support, humanitarian support and we should have a new sanction, which will motivate putin to stop the aggression and take back from our country and we should have a special act, land lease act, from nutrition to ammunition, because we fighting here not only for ukrainian soil, we fighting here for our -- partners and for nato, for freedom and for democracy and i you'd this opportunity to thank all international journalists work here in ukraine and deliver the truth about the russian aggression in ukraine. and i want to say condolences to the american people, because just a couple hour ago exactly

in irpin, the zone of responsibility of my battalion, was killed. the american journalist, and this is a disaster. this is the way how putin provide humanitarian crisis. exactly near, just yesterday it was burned. the 67 corpse of children and women unidentified that was killed by russian terrorists, and this is the crimes against humanity. this is just happening in the 21 st century and just happens miles from this play. >> president yushchenko, you know these leaders, you know your neighbors. one of the things colonel vindman just said to me, while your neighbors are nato countries they are also independent countries and may be able to do some of these things

on their own, but that the world and nato are not going to move into the next stage of things, unless the losses are greater than they are now. what's your response to that? how many more people need to die or what need to happen before you think your nato or your european neighborless give you what you're asking for? >> yesterday was declared official figure that more than 1,300 ukrainian soldiers were killed and definitely more than 1,000 civilians were killed, and i want to cite the words of the former president, when it was said if you do not support ukraine now, you will fight in your own country. this is their approach of putin, and putin decleared the war to nato. not to ukraine.

to the whole western world and ukraine now fighting here towards nato. for all the west. ukraine may be paying the biggest price we can ever imagine. there are tons of blood of ukrainian people and tons of, thousands of -- of ukraiian soldiers. we need not just nato item or seamen just military jet, mig-29, and with this situation i think that nobody knows who would be the next. if tomorrow he want to build up the ground corridor between the black sea, crimea and donetsk, tomorrow maybe to connect russia with the kaliningrad territory. please, don't allow to do that. please, we should have these fighter and with these fighter

ukrainian pilots landed, no doubt, already more than 80 russian military plane. and only 16 planes during the last 24 hours. that's why we need the second -- at least supply us weapons and let us to make putin weaker to protect your people. to protect your soil. to protect your sauls. to protect europe and the world from the crazy man mr. putin. >> petro poroshenko, the former president of ukraine. thank you for joining us, sir. that does it for me now. i will report at the border with hungary throughout the day. find me hosting "the rachel maddow show" all week. "the sunday show with jonathan capehart" begins right now.