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good day to all of you from msnbc in washington. i'm alex witt. thank you for joining us. indication from the u.s. government u.s. pressure on russia may lead them to the negotiating table after a bombing on a polish base. >> put enormous pressure on vladimir putin to try to change his calculus, end the war, get a cease-fire in the first instance and end this invasion. that pressure is beginning to have some effect. seeing signs of a willingness to have real, serious negotiations. >> at least 35 people were killed. 135 wounded when more than 30 missile strikes pounded the international center for peacekeeping and security in western ukraine. most of the bombings had taken place in the east, until now.

ukraine officials say they were russian bombs and anti-aircraft defenses that shot down several of them as well. and nbc news has not verified the missile strikes and no information about victims immediately available, however, officials say americans were not at that facility. meanwhile, new video shows ukrainian soldiers evacuating citizens from irpin, near kyiv. civilians forced to try to escape while under attack. we should also mention the "new york times" reports an american journalist was among those killed there today. 50-year-old brent renault a documentary filmmaker. in the south, making gains to attempt and siege the city of mariupol. conditions dire with civilians trapped with limited food, water and electricity. president zelenskyy says help is on the way. >> translator: our humanitarian convoy is now soon hours away

from mariupol. we do everything to fight back. the occupiers who even look orthodox priests who escort this cargo of hundreds of h humanitarian cargos sent to ukraine yarn citizens. we're hoping everyone in moscow will hear this. >> new protests in the southern city also. pro-ukrainian citizens protesting in the streets. we go beyond headlines with team are reporters both overseas and statside in washington. we begin coverage in the northwestern ukraine region with nbc the matt bradley. matt, another welcome to the show. russia strikes in the west, and now bringing war even closer to nato's doorstep.

what is the latest from there? >> reporter: yeah, russia would consider that to be a legitimate military target because they warned about that the day before launching those very, very deadly, catastrophic air strikes against lviv, a western city that a lot of our staff is in lviv. i can tell you, alex. seen up to now a very safe place. it is the point of departure for almost all displaced people coming from eastern ukraine and from the capital of kyiv. en the jumping off point heading to poland or hungary. bringing the war to the doorstep of nato, as you mention, also threatening for all civilians trying to flee. one of the things we're seeing with a paradigm shift you're seeing in the battle. all bombings and assaults concentrated in the capital of kyiv, in the south. mostly in the eastern part of the country. almost all on or east of the da

dnipro river. that runs the length of the country. this was a place seen as a safe haven and changing the calculus and outlook of the government in kyiv. as always, as for president volodymyr zelenskyy, defiant remaining in the capital. just today seen, took videos of himself walking around the city. visiting wounded soldiers at a hospital and rewarding them for their sacrifice. here's what he had to say. >> translator: russia lost 74 planes, 86 helicopters and thousands and thousands of equipment. we know that they have more but we will continue to defend. ukraine doesn't surrender. the military don't surrender. the people don't surrender. ukraine is fighting heroically.

>> reporter: i got to tell you, saying that ukraine doesn't surrender, but lviv, that city just bombed, just hit by air strikes, 35 dead. 135 wounded, at least. that was the sight that the u.s. embassy went to when they were evacuating kyiv. a lot of embassies in kyiv went there and a sight the government had really kind of imagined would be their point of retreat. now, if that's facing bombardment that could change the game for everybody. alex? >> absolutely. matt bradley, thank you. appreciate the report. joining me now from eastern poland is nbc news foreign correspondent kelly cobiella. and a devastating strike at the base of ukraine near poland's border. >> reporter: alex in response to that attack on the base of the border. that base about 12 miles from

what he understand, depending which direction you're measuring. to the polish border. this is close to medyka border crossing, the busiest border crossing in all of poland, talking tens of thousands cross canning over the border at that point every single day. so it is of top concern to people who live in the area and also to people who are evacuating, and it's also raised this question once again. we heard the ukraine defense minister asking again today for a no-fly zone over ukraine, pressing u.s. officials again to enforce a no-fly zone to the western part of the country, so it can be protected. also been an issue of the jets. the migs that poland in the past, over the past few days offered up to the united states saying, we'll hand them back to the u.s. in the hopes the u.s. would transfer them to ukraine. so there's a lot of question now

once again about the defense of nato and nato countries. the press secretary for the defense department john kirby asked about those mig jets in particular today and this is what he had to say. >> what the unite said we weren't interested in exploring, martha, was a proposal whereby the migs would be transferred to the united states and then the united states would give them to ukraine. again, i think we can all understand the kind of escalatory measure that might be perceived as, not to mention the fact that, you know, we believe they are doing really well with the systems that they have. and the air defense systems that they are using including drones, including manpads. doing very well with that and we believe those what are they need the most. >> reporter: so they're not much movement when it comes to a no-fly zone or transferring fighter jets to ukraine. here on the ground in poland we're still seeing tens of

thousands of people cross the border every day. the question tonight, alex, even as this country becomes overwhelmed, especially in the big cities, warsaw and krakow. the question is will this strike in western ukraine then cause yet another huge flow of people across the border? we're already seeing large numbers cross, but will those even increase in the days to come? >> absolutely. that is the question. kelly cobiella. thank you for that report. and irpin, where russian and ukrainians are battling in the streets. we'll see general mccaffrey in a moment. before we see them, for a closer look, alex crawford in the war zone about three miles or so from kyiv. >> reporter: white flags vehicles plastered with side

guaranteeing children are inside, not a guarantee. see the black puff on the right? one of two mortars landing close to civilians. their coming out under fire with shelling and firing going on behind them and many of these people are terribly sick and we see a number who are injured. the russians are pushing closer to the capital. this footage just released by the russian defense ministry claiming shows troops landing at the airport on the fringes of the capital. it's impossible to verify when this was actually filmed. but the russians claim they've been in this area for about two weeks. the capital's roads are being heavily blockaded with defensive positions built down most streets. but the real danger comes from russian air attacks.

>> a missile up in the sky. behind you. >> reporter: the trail of white smoke shows they missed their target this time, but the russian jets will be back. so with shaking hands and uncertain steps the terrible old and frail are pushing through their fear. somehow putting one step in front of the other. they've been through so much already. it's a wonder they've got this far, and they're heading into a capital which could also be bombarded. those who have escaped know it's just pure fate. >> translator: something went through the air and then, boom. all the windows were broken and the balcony fell down and the tent floor above us was just dust. my daughter came and said, mama, take your stuff. until this i didn't want to leave my town. >>. >> reporter: she was in her home inwhere near any military targets. towns in the north, west and east of the capital are all

being attacked with kyiv seen as the prize for the russians. so volunteers from all over the world have been drawn to help. >> when i saw it, i obviously booked a flight for california and came here fast as i could. if this isn't the fate of democracy and freedom. >> it's very strange to look at european union, don't want to close the skies, what [ bleep ] -- sorry, and [ bleep ] to protect, to fight with russia, with belarus. what are you doing? it's not, protect not under our country. protect all europe. >> reporter: bracing themselves for many more civilian deaths. for those here, far too many already. alex crawford, sky news in irpin on the edge of kyiv. >> bring in retired u.s. army general barry mccaffrey and an msnbc analyst and in high esteem. wa is your read where things stand today given the latest attack so close to the polish

border's what do you think putin is trying to accomplish? >> well, he's widening the war. he is going to go after the west resupply effort to ukrainian armed forces and humanitarian aid also coming in out of poland and romania. he has reverted to essentially the center of gravity of his military campaign is now to terrorize the civilian population, and hopefully through that means to force president zelenskyy and his military to capitulate. at a tactical level, the russians are doing very badly against a smaller number of extremely aggressive ukrainian fighters. but as we back off, putin is steadily inexorably increased attacks on ukraine looking for a reaction. there really isn't any pushback so far. i think he's approaching the limit of endurance what

europeans can tolerate once we see the takedown of kyiv, the capital. >> which brings me perfectly to my next question. 27 former ambassadors and foreign policy officials are calling on president biden to create a limited no-fly zone over humanitarian quarters in ukraine arguing this can be done without risking direct engagement with russia. do you agree? i mean, how is that? doesn't that up the calculus for errors and mismanagement and then problems that could lead to a much worse situation? >> well, it's sheer nonsense. hopeful thinking, makes no sense from an air power perspective. we're either going to go in and comfort russian air power and the ground air defense artillery, and the s 400 anti-aircraft system, which mostly is still in russia, or we're not going to have any

impact on the outcome. i think it's a political decision at the highest levels. nato can clearly knock the russians into the next world in a 30-day air campaign. they can take out their ground elements, which are still inviting targets. so the question is, is nato there? the answer is, no. and is the president prepared to risk escalation? i think the answer is, no. we need to understand -- i don't think world war iii is in the offing. i think that's nonsense. putin is so over hid head. 60% of his ground capability is in ukraine and half his air power. so it's a question of, are re -- we going to watch ukraine go under, or not? >> general what do you make of vladimir putin's threats to obliterate, essentially, to use that word, but to target any

sort of military support crossing over the border in ukraine, a sanction by the united states and by nato and the eu? i mean, how do you logistically get that support over the border without creating a target and thereby involve potentially members of nato that would include americans? >> well, i think mostly we're going to see commercial trucking, and train transportation being the primary way that this aid comes out of the west and gets to ukraine. the russians can't close a border. i mean, this place is the size of texas, and they're up to their necks right now just trying to fight tactically. i do think, however, that there's no question that putin sees this as a legitimate and important target, going to go after it and since use a road target, a rich target from air. a crisis is approaches in which

ukrainians may lose much of its support from the west. >> president zelenskyy said yesterday he doesn't see courage from nato. do you think nato's response has been weak? i mean, do you think putin has managed to intimidate nato leaders, despite your assessment you just told me, which is that you don't think world war iii's in the offing, because putin couldn't handle it? >> well, of course, you know, i don't think courage is the word. i think president biden and nato leadership is appropriately trying to minimize the conflict, not to have it escalate horizontally to other countries or escalate vertically, meaning go nuclear. putin has been pretty effective, though, as a second or third tier military power in intimidating and confronting the greatest military on earth, which is nnato.

alliance. to what extend to europeans or americans have in intensifying a war direct against the russians? a question mr. biden and his senior advisers have to address. >> and as you know the biden administration spent about $1.2 billion so far on financial and military aid to ukraine. let's remind viewers. it is not a nato member, but after four years of donald trump scolding nato for not spending enough on its own defense, what's your assessment today of nato's ability to fend off russia militarily? >> it is enormous. the russians would be squashed if they tried to attack poland, romania, never mind a massive movement to take western europe. it's not even in the cards. however, what is in the cards is that nato has now pulled itself together in dramatic fashion. i think the biden's team been brilliant in the way they handled this. moved forward as an alliance,

not as a u.s. unilateral move. germans re-arming, doubling their defense budget for next year is remarkable. and i think we're going to see that across the board, putin put himself in a strategic disaster. the problem is, how are we going to act to end this intense suffering in the ukraine? a huge nation. 40 million people. when the fighting in kyiv gets intense and in the coming weeks it's going to be painful to watch. >> where's your level of fear that vladimir putin might try to use tactical nuclear weapons? >> i think it approaches zero. i cannot imagine a lieutenant colonel in the russian air force telling mr. putin, this is a good idea. we have tactical nuclear weapons. sitting on boomer submarines of the u.s. navy that within 15 minutes could respond to a

tactical attack. no one in their right mind thinks you can win a nuclear conflict. the russians have written their doctrine that says escalate to de-escalate. mumbo jumbo. they nuke, what? ukrainian forces, polish forces, u.s. forces and then say now we want to talk? i don't think he's even remotely going to do that. if there was a giant nuclear exchange, it would be armageddon for the civilized world. >> generally, you're speaking as a military man suggesting the russian military man counterpart would say this is not a good idea. what if putin says, do it? >> i don't know. i think if it came to a nuclear strike, strategic exchange of missiles, i think some, you know, general might shoot him right between the eyes. i don't think they'd want their own families vaporized in a final act of nillism, but

tactical nukes, maybe he'd take that step. i assume right now secretary austin and the agency are trying to figure out what should we do if that happened? >> yeah. general barry mccaffrey, we'll have you back and keep asking questions. thank you, my friend, so much. a question that keeps getting asked. the answer may be something nobody wants to acknowledge. inside from the intelligence committee next, plus a new threat russia. this one has to do with the international space station. l . refresh italiano subway now has italian-style capicola on the new supreme meats and mozza meat. just like my nonna makes when she cooks! i don't cook. wait, what? it's a good thing he's so handsome. subway keeps refreshing and refre- i earn 3% cash back at drugstores with chase freedom unlimited. so i got cards for birthdays, holidays, graduations, i'm covered for everything. which reminds me, thank you for driving me to the drugstore. earn big time with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback?

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but it's not unexpected. they say that this is an expansion of russia who is broadening their targets and that this is something that they're going to keep a very close eye on, but administration officials covered the sunday shows this morning, and said that they are still very committed to not committing u.s. troops on the ground in ukraine at this point, or ever, really. let's listen to pentagon spokesman kirby this morning, what he said. >> president biden has made it clear u.s. troops are not going to be fighting in ukraine. there's good reason for that, because the united states getting involved in combat in ukraine right now or over the skies of ukraine right now leads to war with russia. and there's very little that you can see that would make sense for this war to be escalated between two nuclear powers. >> reporter: now, congress is also watching as well. senate marco rubio, head republican on the intelligence committee tweeted this morning saying that there's another

reason why russia targeted this military base, and that is because they are trying to prevent and discourage the transfer of weapons and humanitarian aid from poland into ukraine, and now the timing of this is interesting, too, because just last night the administration announced $200 million worth of anti-tank, anti-aircraft weapons that they were going to give to ukraine. also on the sunday shows this morning, the administration officials said that while they wouldn't detail how this equipment is still getting into ukraine from the west, that it is still possible, but getting more and more difficult, alex. >> hmm. okay. leigh ann caldwell. thank you for that. and joining me now, welcome congressman jim himes. good to see you. let's start with the debate of ukraine's call for a no-fly zone. a group of former ambassadors

and former poliied advisers calls for a minimal fly zone. >> i think a no-fly zone is the wrong move. if we try to implement a no-fly zone, that means that an american pilot has to shoot down a russian pilot. and if we do that that's a declaration of war. and vladimir putin has been very clear that's the way he sees it. if we're prepared to do that, if the american people want to go to war with russia i think it would be a mistake. >> in the next hour i should tell you i'm talking with a democrat colleague gone on record saying he's against a no-fly zone. how about you? where do you stand? what makes sense to you? >> alex, your former guest barry mccaffrey, the general, had the right idea. limited nigh zone. nonsense. no such thing as a limited no-fly zone. not just ars the ambassador

said, shooting down russian warplanes we will not put in place a no-fly zone until we've taken out air defenses in the theater. regardless how big that no-fly zone is we are now bombing and lobbing missiles into russian anti-aircraft batteries in belarus and in russia. so, again, shooting down a russian plane is scary enough. but when the there are runs of dead russian military people because we're establishing a no-fly zone, make no mistake, we are at war with russia. that doesn't mean we shouldn't transfer the migs to ukraine, as president zelenskyy asked for, and as the congress would like to see the pentagon move on, but, again. make no mistake, there is no, nothing limited about a no-fly zone. >> what do you know about the hiccup there, at fact there has been public support for transferring those migs yet so far no action on doing so? >> well, still trying to calm down from my watching of john kirby and make no mistake the

pentagon is doing great work. i it kel you this. john kirby said they're doing just fine. they are not doing just fine. doing magnificent work against a much stronger foe but losing thousands of people, hospitals bombed. while we won't imfly a no-fly zone, we should give them the tools to do so and perhaps slightly escalatory. remember, we're transferring al. we can figure out a way to get the mig there's. the ukrainian president in a call exactly a week ago begged us, begged us for the migs. we should provide them as soon as possible. he knows best. >> do you think because vladimir putin has threatened any act like that, he will take as an act of war by the united states, and potentially up the ante how far he's willing to go? >> alex, why do we care what

vladimir putin's definition of an act of war is? he's murdered in rampant war crimes, murdered thousands of ukrainians. we don't listen to what he believes about an act of war. you heard what i said about a no-fly zone. that's a very bad idea. but giving ukrainians to fight their own war, what migs would be, makes a lot of sense. if we're worried putin will attack nato, what happens then is a very slow-motion defeat, which he's experiencing right now, becomes a very fast-motion defeat. now, i don't want that to happen because you don't want two nuclear powers fighting eep each other. i don't believe he's totally rational. i think congress is unified those migs had better get to ukraine soon. time to stop equivocating about the possibility putin might regard it as an act of war. >> stand in your conviction on this topic. play the house committee's hearing on worldwide threats. it went down earlier this week.

what the heads of our intelligence agencies told your committee about what to expect from poo t. putin. >> our putin may escalate and double town to achieve ukrainian disarmament neutrality to prevent it from further integrating with the u.s. and nato. >> i think putin is angry and frustrated now. he's likely to double down and try to grind down the ukrainian military with no regard for civilian casualties. >> i mean, seems like we've already seen this assessment play out. how far do you think putin is willing to take his attacks? >> the shift to attacks on civilian areas, right? because his military failed. make no mistake, he's losing, losing slowly. his military failed to do what it was going to, having ukraine roll overin a matter of days.

it didn't happen. he's now getting into a grinding civilian-oriented war. what's going it happen? back down, oops, made a mistake? that's not vladimir putin, but he is going to experience hundreds of losses every single day. right? going to experience the increasing outrage of the world. at some point somebody inside russia, we don't have a lot of visibility into what the politics are inside the kremlin, somebody or some combination of people are going to realize what a catastrophe it is putin has brought upon the russian nation. what they do about it is an interesting question. i don't see him backing down. >> in an interview with a german newspaper, nato secretary-general said they might deploy chemical weapons in ukraine. has the u.s. seen that and anything, were that to happen, or in a preventative measure, the u.s. could do about it? >> well, alex, i never like talking about what intelligence

exists or doesn't exist. >> i know. >> draw your own conclusions by the fact the most senior people in washington including the president and heads of the intelligence community say there's a substantial likelihood that putin could not, either deploy these weapons the way he has in past conflicts, or set up a false flag thing accuses ukrainians are deploying these weapons. by the way, really doesn't help. sort of small fringy, bizarre element here in the united states, and that can amplify the propaganda coming out of vladimir putin. this is all part of the exercise that we've actually been very successful at about using intelligence to warn the world what putin may try to do. sort of a remarkable series of events, remarkable thing i think actually harmed putin's ability to achieve what he wants to do. >> let me soft pedal asking that question and i know you hate breaking intelligence and security. one can read into what putin has said in the past.

whether or not you have current indications, anything specific, could also be drawn from the fact he's indicated what he has done in the past and talked about doing. there. cover on that. let me ask you another question regarding an issue brought up, worldwide threats hearing. how the war in ukraine might affect china's calculus on taiwan. what was your main takeaway there? where is the level of concern for an invasion? >> great, great, and interesting question, alex, because it's one of the many things at stake in what happens in ukraine. right? i mean, before ukraine entered into our consciousness a couple months ago, in d.c., a lot of us worried whether china would make a military attack on taiwan. got increaingly aggressive with air power in taiwan. a lesson of the last three weeks, oh, my gosh. the west united states when there is a brazen attack on a free democracy.

i had no doubt in beijing, thinking, holy smokes, we don't want to be on receiving end of the sanctions, the information war that vladimir putin just walked into. >> okay. connecticut congressman jim himes. again, much appreciated, the conversation and your con conviction on all this. thank you. my next guest wrote an article titled everything you need to know, she watched "i watched russian tv so you don't have to." o. and artists. designers and do-it-yourselfers. parents and friends. if joint pain is getting in the way of who you are, it's time to talk to your doctor about enbrel. enbrel helps relieve joint pain, and helps stop permanent joint damage. plus enbrel helps skin get clearer in psoriatic arthritis. ask your doctor about enbrel, so you can get back to your true self. play ball! enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal events including infections,

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jub if you're just joining us, russia launching an air strike killing 35 people injures 135 more. that base dangerously close to nato territory. in fact, less than 20 miles from the polish border. confirming no u.s. service members killed. meantime, ukrainian president

zelenskyy staying 125,000 people evacuated through humanitarian corridors and zelenskyy announcing also humanitarian cargo was about 50 miles away from mariupol. a city through siege for days by russian forces. residents there now trapped without food, electricity or water. later, posting this video today showing him visiting wounded soldiers and the medics at a ukrainian hospital awarding them medals in an impromptu ceremony. and violators could spend up to 15 years in prison, laws forceds many international and independent media companies to go dark. you might wonder, how is this war now portrayed in russia? my next guest watched hours of russian state television this week so you don't have to. i'm joined now by a staff writer at "the atlantic." olga, welcome.

fascinating article you write this week in russia's version of the war. russians are liberators. ukrainians are nazis. the west is full of man dashs hypocrites to turn on russian tv news is enter a parallel users when even the word "war" is forbidden. so fascinating. describe what you watched, in this parallel universe? >> yeah. i mean, it's really just the exact opposite of american news is reporting. so it -- it shows, you know, ukraine as being these liberators freeing people from nazis. you know, the west is being really unfair to ukraine and imposing sanctions. that ukraine and russia are one people, and that russia needs to restore its historical borders. pretty much anything that you have read in american papers, they are quite literally saying the opposite. >> okay.

so, yes, it's important to any conflict to understand how the other side is viewing the facts on the ground. so olga, when you watched this state media coverage, did it feel like just a different perspective? or did it align with that old saying, that the first casualty of war is truth. >> yeah. i mean, it's not just a different perspective. it's absolutely slanted towards official kremlin talking points and not in line at all with what international human rights groups are saying. you know, claims like, the fact that ukrainians are responsible for their own casualties and that they're bombing their own people. those are quite literally not true. you know, the idea that ukrainians are using human shields or preventing their own people from escaping through humanitarian corridors, you know, that is not accurate at all. so these are just talking points that the russian government has put out that russian state tv has to, then, report. >> so i'm curious of a couple

things as you watch this. is it a more sanitized video version than what we are seeing? i mean, does the war look as bad as we are seeing it? the blowing up of the buildings and the like? is that being reported accurately at least and also the tenor of the anchors or reporters delivering this news? do you feel that they're selling it properly? i guess the question is, are russians interpreting it the way that state media is intending? >> yeah. so a lot of great questions there. so from what i see, so footage of the casualties and what you'll see in international media, where it's kind of a missile or air strike directly at a building and the then people suffering or being carried out or even just fleeing. you don't see much of that. it's a lot of sort of footage of russian troops handing out

provisions, food, things like that. touchy, feely portrayals of russian troops. the tone is very sarcastic towards america and the west. so they actually play a lot of fox news clips, because that channel has a more negative view of president biden. >> we all understand what that's about. yeah. >> so they do. play a lot of tucker carlson. just watching today. they played another tucker carlson segment and the shows this very kind of humiliating looking editorial cartoon of president biden kind of begging at the feet of venezuela and saudi arabia for oil now that he doesn't have russian oil. so the tone is sort of very, like, yeah. i would say sarcastic towards america. >> great. okay. olga, thank you for watching state tv and letting us know

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let's go now to a mother's harrowing escape from ukraine. model and former miss ukraine, veronica and with her 7-year-old son, drove through the country as russian strikes exploded overhead. they traveled through four countries to finally reach safety. joining me now is that mother, veronica, thank you for being here with me. i'm sure you have quite the story, so describe it to us. your escape from kyiv with your son. what did you say, what kind of dangers did you encounter along the way. >> hi. hi, everyone. thanks for having me. so we -- the war against ukraine started on the 24th of february at 5:00 a.m. i could hear sirens and bomb explosions. and straight away, i packed all of my luggage and my son's clothes, my cat, and i took my

car, started driving closer to the border of ukraine, to the west border of ukraine. it took us a few days to get to the border. it is extremely difficult -- it was extremely difficult, but now, at the moment, it is even more difficult to leave the besieged cities all around ukraine. unfortunately, invaders don't allow humanitarian corridors to happen. and people could hardly take their kids away from the war. so it is very, very sad now. my mother, my father, my grandmother, they are staying in kyiv, and i'm extremely worried about them. so, yeah, now we really need humanitarian corridors to happen for people who are staying in besieged cities. they have -- they are staying in shelters all the time.

they have like no food, no water, no electricity, just in mariupol, in besieged mariupol, 2,187 civilian people were killed since the beginning of the occupation. and around hundreds bombed were exploded just in mariupol. so we urgently need to evacuate people. >> so those are extraordinary numbers here, and i will say that i don't know that nbc news has confirmed them, but i appreciate your sharing your perspective there. let me ask about how long you had before you left kyiv? how close were you to the start of the russian incursion? and what made you say, i have to go right now? >> can you explain the question? >> so how long did it take you to decide? was it something you'd been thinking about? you were preparing for a long time. or was there something that you said, i need to leave right now?

>> of course, like, the war starts in switzerland, i think people would say, we have to leave right now. of course, when i heard the sirens and bombs and on my way to the border of ukraine, there were no places where sirens and bomb explosions would not sound. of course, it is extremely dangerous, the full invasion of ukraine started straight away at 5:00 a.m. of course, i have my son. i want him to be safe, of course. i left straight away after the war started. >> yeah. and you made your way into switzerland, right? i know that you're in switzerland now. i believe that you were in the united states briefly, but your son was safe in switzerland and you've come back to him. what was it like getting to switzerland? how many countries did you pass through? four countries to get there? >> yeah. i wanted to add to a previous question that i left because i

have prescheduled press conference with gloria allred. it's worldwide attorney with women's rights and i have a son. i needed to evacuate him. but there are million people, like 38 million people that stayed in ukraine. they protect their countries and they are true heroes. who are fighting for freedom and democracy. so, yeah, on the way to actually los angeles, where i was supposed to have press conference, i crossed like four countries. we were going through moldova, romania, austria, and then we came to our friends in switzerland, in luxembourg, first of all. but then, my son was denied visa, from u.s. visa in luxembourg embassy. i was very upset and it was devastating for me, because we had our friends who agreed to

host us during this tough times. and my son was recused from visa. thank god i have relatives that i could leave him with them. but at the press conference, it was gloria allred who were speaking about human terror and control, from the united states government. so people who are escaping the war and fleeing the war could stay in the u.s. >> yeah. veronica, i'm so dwlad that you're safe now. thank you for your work. on behalf of humanitarian efforts there, and i'm glad you're safe with your son there in switzerland. thank you for talking with us. meanwhile, we have this breaking news on the russian missile attack in ukraine. we have new information on whether this changes the calculation of the nato allies. e calculation of the nato allies bug spray and my sunscreen. you ready to go fishing? i got the bait. i also earn 5% on travel purchased

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