♪ ♪ good evening, everyone. i'm ayman mohyeldin. you're watching msnbc's continuing coverage of the war in ukraine. breaking news tonight, ukraine border guard services say negotiations will resume again between russia and ukraine. the talks set for just a few hours from now. they're expected to start at 4:30 a.m. eastern time. breaking tonight from nbc news, the u.s. government has reason to believe that russia asked china for military equipment and other support. this, according to three u.s. officials. the officials declined to elaborate whether china agreed to the request or whether the

u.s. knows the answers to that question. nbc's josh letterman will join us with more on this developing story. it comes against a heartbreaking backdrop. at least 35 people are dead, 134 injured after russian missiles hit a military base in western ukraine near the country's border with poland. in response, national security adviser jake sullivan said there would be severe consequences if russia's assault went into poland, a nato ally. >> chuck, the american president has been clear for some time now that there are no u.s. troops currently operating in ukraine in eastern ukraine or in western ukraine. and that we will defend every inch of nato territory. but u.s. forces will not engage russian forces inside ukraine. it's no surprise the russians are trying to expand the targets in this war, because they're frustrated by their lack of ability to take some of the major cities.

and near kyiv, a 50-year-old documentary filmmaker was killed by russian forces. another journalist was wounded in the attack. he won a litany of awards for documentary filmmaking. he and his brother produced programs for "time," hbo, "the new york times" and nbc news. the following statement was released tonight reading in part -- s released tonight reading in part -- >> joining me now to discuss this and more, nbc news correspondent cal perry live from lviv. cal, you've been hearing some

shelling overnight, and it hasn't been strange to hear that over the past 18 days, but it seems the frequency and the intensity seems to be increasing. >> reporter: yes. so we haven't heard it in about 24 hours. this is about 24 hours this time in the middle of the morning, eight explosions about 30 miles from here, rattling the windows here. it was that air base that we were thinking would be hit, and it was hit. the russians say thing is a supply chain, that this is where supplies were coming in from poland. they hit it, as i said, with at least eight different rockets. that is just a very loud truck behind me. at least 35 dead, another 130 wounded in that attack. russia said they would hold anyone accountable for bringing weapons into this country. this is where weapons are coming into and headed to the east. so the tension is higher in this

town as people expect more strikes. you mentioned the peace talks. there is some optimism heading into these discussions this morning. we heard the ukrainian side say for the first time over the weekend that the russian side was quote unquote constructive in their negotiations. one thing that is certainly going to be on the table is the city of mariupol, and getting humanitarian aid into that city. it's been more than a week now since there's been any humanitarian aid of any kind or, in fact, a path for civilians to get out. at least 2,000 civilians have now been confirmed killed in that city by the city council. that situation is very bad. it will be interesting to see if they can work out some of these corridors to get aid in, and to get system of those civilians out, ayman. >> cal, really quickly. with some of the developments of the past 24 hours in this strike near the polish/ukraiian border, has it changed at all the pattern of life within lviv that others have described as relatively normal, given everything that's happened in ukraine.

>> reporter: so during the day here, it seemed like a normal day. the restaurants were full, most of the restaurants here are still functioning. some have shut down due to lack of food. the thing that's changed is when the air raid sirens go off. now most everybody heads for those bunkers, for whatever is available for cover. people here thought they had time. 350 miles is a good standoff from kyiv. look, people are expecting there to be more strikes, because this is the part of the country that seems to be able to resupply the eastern part of the country. >> cal perry live in lviv, ukraine for us. joining me now josh letterman, live from poland. josh, you've been reporting on this development that russia has asked china for military equipment. that would open all kinds of other questions for the u.s., its involvement, certainly nato countries. what can you tell us what you

have learned on this front? >> reporter: well, from the very beginning of this conflict, ayman, the u.s. has been concerned that if anyone was going to throw a lifeline to president putin, it was going to be china. both in terms of the military aspect, and also the economic aspect. we've seen the russians and the chinese grow closer to each other in the last several weeks. in fact, some u.s. officials have said on the record that they believe that president putin told the chinese leader president xi in advance about his plans to invade ukraine. something that the chinese have disputed. now, three u.s. officials telling me that the u.s. believes russia has asked china for military equipment and support since it launched this invasion, which has raised real questions about why russia, a massive military power, is in the position of needing to turn to outside countries for help just a few weeks into an

invasion that, by a lot of indications, russia thought was going to be a lot more successful, a lot more quickly than it has been. now, as you pointed out, we don't know what kind of equipment the russians have asked for. we don't know if the chinese have given it to them. but we do know that the u.s. is working very hard right now to try to drive a wedge between china and russia, and that the national security adviser jake sullivan, when he meets tomorrow with rome with his counterpart, with a senior chinese diplomat, is expected to not only emphasize the risks to china in aiding russia militarily, but also the risks to china if it helps russia evade sanctions or absorb the blow by sanction, essentially give economic assistance that could help russia withstand the massive economic penalties the west has been imposing on russia for its invasion in ukraine. one of the arguments he is expected to make is look, china

talks a big game about respecting territorial sovereignty and integrity and how they don't want other people telling them how to do their business. the u.s. expected to tell china it is going to lose credibility on that front if it not only looks the other way, but helps russia as it violates the sovereignty of one of its neighbors and continues with that invasion. the u.s. also expected to tell china it will face its own economic isolation and potentially sanction itself if it is complicit in assisting putin militarily or economically, ayman. >> nbc's josh letterman live in poland with some significant reporting this evening. josh, thank you so much, my friend. let's bring in our sunday night panel to break this down. michael weiss is the author of "isis, inside the army of terror." and molly mccue is an expert in information warfare, a former advisor to the former president

of georgia. michael, let me get your thoughts on this russian air strike on a military base near the board we are poeland. how much concern should nato allies be? this is clearly a message to nato and all the others that are supplying ukraine with arments and support right now. >> absolutely. one of the concerns is that the russians have come out and said we reserve all the rights to interdict these weapons supply lines. so there's two main countries that are the clearinghouse for receiving all the weapons that the nato countries are sending, poland and romania. this strike was within ten miles of lviv, so you're getting close to the polish border here. one of the great concerns that brussels has, and indeed washington, there would be spillover violence. keep in mind, ayman, the gru, which is russia's military

intelligence service, going back to around 2014 eight years ago, they were actually blowing up ammunition and weapons depots in nato member state territories, including in bulgaria. they also poisoned a bulgarian arms dealer. why did they do this? all of the weapons that were intended -- being stockpiled in these safe houses or these depots were intended to be sent to the ukrainian military. so russia has had a fixation on keeping the west from arming ukraine for a very long time. they have already shown a willingness to do sabotage or diversionary tactic operations inside nato territory. so this is a grave concern that this is going to spill over beyond the boarders of ukraine, into nato member states. >> molly, if you wanted to look at the flip side of that coin,

you would see that if the russians are going after the supply of weapons, now they're needing supplies and weapons for themselves, they're asking china for help, as our josh letterman was reporting there. what does that say just two weeks into this invasion that russia is turning to china for military help? >> i think it's clear by this point that we know russia underestimated what they were going to face in ukraine. both from the military, from the volunteer forces, and from the population. and i think they're casting about for options. one of those options is, escalation, trying to elevate the crisis to sort of force it to a different conclusion. others are looking for help from financial or military help from china. i don't know that will be so forthcoming. i think we're going to see a very volatile time. putin is most dangerous when he

doesn't understand the boundaries that he confronts. and right now, it's an entirely different game than any he has played in recent history. and he's not really sure what the boundaries are. i think we need to be aware of how dangerous his actions might become. >> let's stay on this for a moment, michael. because russia is not economically a super power in any sense of the word. its economy was not significant. but should china get involved here? should china support russia, could you see a world in which the west starts to sanction china the way that they sanctioned russia? and i would suspect and argue that china's economic bite back would be much stronger than what russia is capable of doing economically to the rest of the world. >> yes, but the big calculation that beijing is making is that they were taking aback by the unanimity of the european union

of coming down hard for this invasion. the sanctions have been crippling. chinese investment in europe is enormous. by the way, chinese investment in ukraine was in the tens of billions of dollars. this was a major trading partner. we have seen some evidence that china feels, shall we say, a bit awkward about russia's adventurism here. they have abstained from a u.n. resolution condemning the invasion, which is kind of unusual when we consider that russia and china have a strong relationship. this speculation now that's been reported that china will supply or that russia is requesting that china supply military assistance, i've been talking to a few china experts who say this is a very remote contingency. that the chinese see this as a complete mess. and yeah, they're worried about sanctions. not just from the united states

but from the european union. so putin might have bitten off far more than he can chew here and counting on relationships that are not going to bear the dividends that he would have liked them to. >> molly, i want to ask you about the diplomacy here. ukraine and russia are set for another round of negotiations. putin has given no indication that he wants to actually negotiate. it seems the only movement perhaps the israeli prime minister has been negotiating with both sides. the turks tried to play a role. the french leaders have called. is it futile to believe that diplomatic efforts are still on the table? should the united states be leading these diplomatic efforts with russia? >> i pesonally don't believe that the united states of america should be reaching out to putin right now, when hi still has his entire army inside of ukraine. there are a number of countries

trying to play a role in establishing a constructive dialogue. the challenge is the kremlin doesn't see a need to deescalate right now. of course, the ukrainians will engage in diplomacy, they will look for a way out to try to stop this war in a timely fashion. but russia doesn't have the upper hand here, and i think the challenge is they're going to come into every talk as if ukraine needs to surrender and the ukrainians are not going to do that. bridging that gap right now is a difficult thing to do. but i don't see right now positive signs there will be an end to the fighting in the immediate future. >> michael, what's your take on the diplomacy aspect to this? what should the u.s. role be diplomatically? are there any other countries that you can think can actually be successful in trying to change vladamir putin's mind on what he is doing? >> well, he has a good relationship with the president

of finland. you know, molly mentioned the israelis. look, i don't put much stock in his attempt to sue for peace. as we saw with the syrian civil war, whenever russia announced a so-called cease-fire, that is when they would escalate. they would bomb more hospitals, more schools, more civilian infrastructure. the most optimistic thing i can give on this is russian state media have started to float their version of a settlement. what the russians are asking for is what they wanted before the war, recognition of crimea has russian federation territory. recognition of the so-called people's republics of donetsk and lunansk. and rsia -- the problem is

will the ukrainians countenance this? and having gone to ukraine once, twice a year for the last eight years, i don't think that that's in the offing. >> yeah, it does not seem -- from my brief time in ukraine, it does not seem that would be a situation that any ukrainian would accept. molly, michael, please stick around. we'll talk to you later on in the program. coming up, american officials are trying to figure out who owns a $700 million super yacht docked off the italian coast. some think it might i don't think to vladamir putin himself. as a struggling actor, i need all the breaks that i can get. at liberty butchumal- cut. liberty biberty- cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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some interesting news coming out of "the new york times." american officials are examining the ownership of a $700 million

super yacht that is currently in a dry dock at an italian seacoast town and believe it could be associated with vladamir putin. according to the "times" offices in the treasury department and the navy, are currently investigating the ownership of super yachts associated with russian oligarchs as the biden administration looks to make good on the sanctions put in place as a result of the war in ukraine. joining me now is michael t. more, a founding partner of moore and company. great to have you with us. putin notoriously hides his wealth and assets. how feasible is it that this yacht has been located and that it will be seized by authorities? >> i think it's easy to look at a yacht of this size and class. it's not possible to hide it. it's visible from satellites all over the world and various

identification services. so identify the owner is another matter. i would say that it's common in the world of yachting to have the ultimate beneficial owner to be, you know, not disclosed for a variety of reasons. among those, being security. i think it will be difficult to prove that it's a direct link to putin. there might be other ways you can identify who the beneficial owner is by the frequency of visits on board and so forth. >> what would happen to these gigantic vessels once they are hypothetically seized? we have already seen a few of them seized in european ports. if this one were to be taken and associated with vladamir putin, what happens to these yachts? >> well, it's a good question, because it's not just -- it's not so easy once you seize these vessels. you can -- in the maritime world, it's generally referred to as unrest action, where you

arrest the vessel pursuant to a court order. if a government more or less supplants the court order, you may have to have a day of reckoning in court later. but the yacht has to be maintained. a crew has to be retained, the normal services for the equipment, the engines have to be turned over. a variety of things need to be done. a lot of these crews of 40, 50, even 60 people, working, you know, 24/7 to keep the boats up. so you have to find a place to put it. you have to protect it, secure it. it's a 24/7 operation, very expensive. even if the government owns it, the money has to come from someplace. >> that's good point.

i'm keen to get your thoughts on. this putin seems to be unfazed by sanctions. he does not seem to be motivated by money. i wonder your thoughts, directly targeting his personal wealth, the wealth of his oligarchs, would that give him pause or at least increase the pressure around him, you think? >> you know, i think so. the word on the street i would say in the yacht world is aware that there are a variety of large yachts that generally the so-called oligarchs don't just have model little vessels. they have major, highly visible yachts. they hire the best designers. they create the best presence to -- it would seem to display their wealth. so i think putin is affected by this. i think these people are

associates of his. you know, it's not unusual to curry favor with people that run large corporations and even states that are de facto arms of strong men at the top. so i think he will be affected by this, the people around him will be affected and therefore, he will be affected. >> let me ask you about the flip side of that. you know the industry so much better than i do. how much did private yachting companies, ports, businesses benefit from the economic class that is around vladamir putin, that consumed, bought this yacht to sustain him to the tune of millions a year, plus staff and all the other costs associated with it? >> well, it's correct to recognize these vessels, not only the cost of a million dollars a year, they cost a

million dollars a month in certain cases. everyone associated with that vessel, the yards that build them, i know of no yards in russia, for example, that are capable of building up a sophisticated mega yacht. those vessels are built in yards in germany or the netherlands or italy. three european situations for the large yachts. and at every stage, vast numbers of people are benefitting from the yacht word. the crew, insurance breakers, dock owners, marina operators. there's a host of individuals that benefit from the yachting world. i would say very little yachting occurs in russia. it usually occurs in the

mediterranean, to some expect the adriatic. i'm speaking principally in the summer. in the wenter, most of the yachts go to the caribbean. >> quite a fascinating world in terms of geopolitics and world and the intersection of both of those. thank you for joining us. greatly appreciate your time this evening. coming up, why the white house is briefing tiktok stars on the war in ukraine. real cowboys get customized car insurance with liberty mutual, so we only pay for what we need. -hey tex, -wooo. can someone else get a turn? yeah, hang on, i'm about to break my own record. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high ♪ ♪ you know how i feel ♪ (coughing) ♪ breeze driftin' on by ♪ ♪ you know how i feel ♪ copd may have gotten you here, but you decide what's next.

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♪ ♪ ♪ hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ so as the crisis in ukraine has escalated, millions have turned to tiktok for information on what's happen thing in realtime. tiktok videos offered some of the first glimpses of the russian invasion. it seems the white house has been closely watching tiktok rise as a dominant news source. 30 top tiktok stars gathered on a zoom star to be briefed on the

situation in ukraine by national security council staffers and the white house press secretary. michael, what do you make of this effort from the white house? i mean, it's easy on one hand to dismiss it. but on the other hand, if millions of people are getting their information from this, you know, social media platform, then it's important for the white house to be engaged in it. where do you come down on snit >> yeah, look, i barely have an instagram account myself. so tiktok is kind of incognito to me. but a lot of the best information i'm getting is on twitter. there are a host of good open-source intelligence blogs and analysts posting videos, photos of captured or abandoned or destroyed russian military equipment in ukraine. they're tallying up the numbers of tanks and btrs and anti-air defense systems that have been essentially just destroyed on the battlefield. this is kind of crucial for the

work that i do. so i can only imagine -- i have seen a few tiktok videos reposted to twitter. the most famous one i've seen is of a ukrainian woman who has commandeered i think it was a tank or an armored personnel carrier and she did a short tiktok video on how to operate one of these. so i understand why the u.s. government is looking for, i suppose they're called influencers to try and persuade them to keep it up. >> molly, do you see tiktok as a legitimate way to share information on issues liar war and humanitarian crises? >> i think on tiktok, particularly before the war, there was a lot of this open-source information that was coming out of tiktok videos from russia in particular as people were filming the movement of all of this military materiel for

the border of ukraine. and now it sworder deinvolved into this -- there's this war happening. everybody wants the 24-hour live stream and they get it on whatever social media platforms they're on. twitter spaces have become a huge thing. people want constant live dmen commentary on what is happening. people are going to the usual influencers to tell them what's going on live all the time. so i think the white house is trying to find ways to get information into all of these different ways people are consuming information. and while i'm sure for some it felt maybe a bit like kindergarten school of geopolitics, given the sort of breadth of experience in the group invited to do this briefing, it's the kind of thing where there's been a lot of open space for russian information and narratives in the past. the russians have been very aggressive about creating

influencers in these spaces. so it's good to see at least the ground suspect being left open in the same way it was before. >> yeah. the thing is, michael, when you look on the opposite side of what is taking place inside russia, the state-run media is controlling the narrative. the russian government is prohibiting words from being used. can't even say "war" or "invasion." the kremlin is blocking several western news sites. but many russians are trying to break out of the propaganda bubble and hear what is going on from sources outside the country. the demand for vpns has increased by over 4,000% since the invasion began. what do you think this says about the people of russia and their tolerance for censorship? should we be looking at just a tiny, educated elite, or are we talking about the totality of

the country? >> no. i mean, look, it's a double edged sword and has been for a long time. the russian government wielded an enormous amount of -- on the internet. these things go viral in a major key. they have more views on youtube than most hollywood motion pictures get, including the last one that he himself hosted, which was about vladamir putin's personal yacht on the black sea valued at over $1 billion. this was showing all the oligarchs, the italian furniture companies and architects who built this monstrosity for putin, which is encompassed in a no-fly zone. it's larger than monaco, i think by 30 times. these videos go viral.

so it's difficult to make an argument that we should be -- we should be advocating that russia take the internet offline. this is crucial for the generation of dissidents and opposition figures who rely on this. this is the only way they can get their information, because most russians are being brain crashed by state-owned television. this is how most russians consume their news. which is why a lot of people don't know there's a war in ukraine. i mean, i've seen interviews done by american-run news organizations with little old ladies in moscow who have no idea that kyiv is under constant bombardment. >> right. molly, i'm curious to get your thoughts on something that's emerged in this war that i think a few observers have noticed now, it is this subject of, i guess, a new symbol we're seeing a lot coming out of russia and you see it on the russian

military. it's synonymous with russia and its invasion, and this is the letter z. i understand it's not an actual letter in the alphabet, which russia uses. which left its meaning unclear. in many ways to people here in the west. and it's now believed to be russian short hand for victory. i don't know if you have any insight into this and what you think it means. some critics called it the new swastika. do you think that comparison is even reasonable? >> there's a lot of speulation about what the "z" is. before the invasion started when all these videos of the tanks moving around on trains were happening, there were already some vehicles parked with the z. people were speculating if it represented different sort of lines of effort that would happen in the war in ukraine. i think the russians have sort of understood that this has

become -- it's taken on a life of its own and back filling meaning and purpose into what this was supposed to be. if they want to call it victory, great. but i don't think that really matches up with what we're seeing of the abandoned and burned out and captured "z" vehicles on the ground in ukraine. i don't know that it had another purpose initially. it's become this new thing. >> yeah, michael, what's your take on it? i think in the beginning it was just used to identify russian soldiers from one another so there aren't incidents of friendly fire. it's a common tactic used by militaries all around the world. i saw it in iraq with the american military. but what do you make of it? >> yeah, there's a semi regular military exercise that russia engages in called zabat, which means west. this could have been a marker painted on all these vehicles to sort of dupe the west into

thinking this was a standard military exercise and nothing untoward. in fact, we have seen a lot of videos captured russian soldiers who have been interrogated by the ukrainians saying we had no idea we were being deployed to ukraine. we thought we were just engaged in military exercises. if you credit that with legitimacy and they haven't been under any kind of duress or torture, it suggests a lot of people were at the border without any knowledge they were going to mount an invasion. >> yeah, absolutely. still ahead, the best way to help ukrainians and make sure you're not getting scammed in the process.

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spent two years in a global pandemic and are now displaced because of the russian invasion, organizations like save the children or the red cross who says its volunteers have been in ukraine for eight years, are putting themselves in danger. another group, razom for ukraine are focused on medical needs. airbnb is allowing users to book rentals, and waiving service fees. that way the money used to rent the place goes directly to the ukrainian owner, even though the people who booked the place don't plan to stay. the company is offering free short-term housing for those displaced by the invasion. for those that need a ride, uber is offering a free ride. there are working with the international rescue committee to help those displaced. >> our thanks to nbc's vicky nguyen for that report. still ahead, my conversation

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the beginning of the biden administration. and president zelenskyy i said earlier that humanitarian aid that has been delayed in reaching the besieged city of mariupol is expected to arrive today. russian forces have encircled the city, and it's been without food, water, heat, and medical supplies for more than a week now. democratic congresswoman susan wild of pennsylvania just returned from a congressional delegation to the ukraine/poland border. she joins me now. thank you so much for your time this evening. as i mentioned, you just returned from the border there between ukraine and poland with a group of bipartisan lawmakers. what was it like seeing the impact of this war and the sef devastation? >> it is an experience i will never forget. it was the most moving thing i've ever seen. we were at the border where

125,000 ukrainians crossed over the border the day we were there. as you know, more than 2.5 billion have crossed into poland thus far. we met with people on the ground. we met with refugees. we met with top military officials. we met with u.s. troops. we met with secretary of state blinken. all i can tell you is there is nothing like being the eyes and ears of what is happening in ukraine as we -- when we came back to d.c. the other thing that i have to absolutely point out is that the eight of us, four democrats, four republicans, were absolutely unified and no light between us in terms of what needed to be done. that the united states and all of our nato allies have to do everything that we can to help the people of ukraine. >> congresswoman, i understand that you and your colleagues spoke to president zelenskyy by

video call. what message did he have to members of the american congress who have a lot of influence in terms of what the united states can financially do, and ultimately if the u.s. gets involved in this militarily, would require authorization from you and your colleagues. >> well, he made a plea for as much financial assistance as possible in the form of military aid, in the form of ammunition, and all kinds of hardware. and i'm pleased to say when we got back to washington, we very quickly were able to take a vote on that on wednesday night and authorized that $13.6 billion, of which there was a partial drawdown today to make sure that assistance was getting to ukraine immediately. that was his first request. i will say that he's asked for a no-fly zone, which unfortunately is not something that we can do. it would literally lead to an escalation. it would not be good for the

ukrainian people or for anybody else. but he did make a plea that we facilitate the transfer of these old russian warplanes that are in the possession of poland. we came back to the united states with a full expectation that was going to happen. i have to tell you, all eight of us were disappointed that that did not happen. but i will tell you that we have the utmost faith in the u.s. intel that has happened thus far. all of us agreed that it's been spot-on. we were told that by every official on the ground. so i have to they there is intel or strategy of which we are not yet aware, having to do with the transfer of those warplanes. but we have to stand ready to do everything we can. sanctions, yes. every possible type of sanction to the highest level. but we also have to make sure that we are standing by with troops on the ground. we met with thousands of troops while we were there.

not just american but british and french and canadian, german. and we have to make sure that we are fully prepared to defend our nato allies, poland, which of course is now very much concerned because of the proximity of the hits over the last 24 hours. and i'm concerned also. the last hit was just 12 miles from the polish border where we, as members of congress, stood last week greeting refugees who were coming across that border. so it's -- we're in a dire situation here. >> congresswoman, do you know if the u.s. is providing or should be providing real-time intelligence to ukrainian forces in their fight? certainly, we're providing weapons, as you said, you would like to see those fighter jets transferred to ukraine. should we go so far as to provide real-time intelligence to the ukrainians in defense of their country? >> i don't know whether we are.

i'm not on the intel committee. i suspect that we are, but that is my best guess. and i think we absolutely should be. i'm sure vladamir putin would consider that to be an escalation. he considers everything to be an escalation, including pro-vigd humanitarian aid to mothers and children and people with cancer who are on the ground in ukraine, which is just appalling. everything is an escalation to putin. so the fact that we are or might be providing intel, i don't think we should in any way be deterred by concerns whether putin will see that as some sort of escalation. we need to provide everything we can to the ukraine government and the ukraine people. >> congresswoman, thank you so much. thank you for coming on. that does it for me this evening. i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. good night. like we're in a screen saver. (man 2) yeah, but we need to go higher.

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