attacks on ukraine move west. and president zelenskyy prepares to deliver a joint address to congress this week as a bipartisan group of lawmakers push the white house for more action, including the transfer of fighters jets to ukraine. plus, the tragic scenes in kyiv amid more deadly air strikes as food, water and medicine are all running out. i'll speak with ukraine's youngest member of parliament and who is staying in the capital city to fight coming up. welcome to "meet the press daily." i'm garrett haake in for chuck todd. the intense fighting moves

closer to ukraine's capital city of kyiv. russians attacks have increased with an early morning strike on a civilian apartment building this kyiv. this video shows the aftermath of the attack where they report there were no nearby military targets. and verified video of this street of kyiv. and this base is just miles away from poland, a key nato ally. and there are discussions now about having president biden travel to europe to reassure american allies in the region. and over on capitol hill, nancy pelosi and chuck schumer announced ukrainian president

zelenskyy will deliver an address to congress on thursday. amid this growing conflict, u.s. officials are now also saying that russia has asked china for military equipment and other support. both the kremlin and beijing are pushing back on those reports. national security adviser jake sullivan met today with a top chinese diplomat in rome, a day after sullivan warned beijing and other nations not to aid in russia's war efforts. >> we have made it clear to not just beijing but every country in the world that if they think that they can basically bail russia out, they can give russia a work around to the sanctions that we've imposed, they should have another thing coming bugs -- because we will ensure neither china or anyone else can compensate russia for the losses. >> the two sides are taking what is called a technical pause

until tomorrow. the mayor of mariupol said at least 1,500 in that city alone have died and zelenskyy said 1,300 ukrainian soldiers have also been killed. joining me it courtney kube and retired general ben hodges. and, matt, i'll start with you. what's been the reaction there to this broadening set of russian air strikes into places like western ukraine? >> garrett, i don't know if you can hear it but actually there's a person playing exuberant songs all day long. the streets are very much alive with people shopping and going out to eat. it's not entirely clear that anybody here is particularly afraid, but this is the jumping

off point for all of the internally displaced people who once they crossed the borders out of this country will become internationally recognized refugees. those people have to start new lives. the worry here isn't so much about bombing and there was, as you mentioned, that attack on the base that killed 35 people and injured hundreds more. and there are regular air raid sirens in this city. we've heard them many, many times, sometimes several times a day. but folks here seem to be getting along. it reminds me a lot, this city, of when i was in the northeastern city of kharkiv when we'll were going out and they felt normal and didn't feel as though there was impending doom even though the russian military had amassed an enormous amount of men and material all around the country. gary? >> what's the situation in mariupol? i think americans have been watching the situation there deteriorate. there were supposed to be

humanitarian corridors for people to get out, supplies to get in. what can you tell us there? >> there was a tiny glimmer of hope there. there was the opening of a humanitarian corridor into a nearby city, which is also occupied by the russians. that allowed about 160 civilian cars to leave the city of mariupol. there's about 400,000 civilians in mariupol, all besieged. people were finally able to get out. the fact is humanitarian aid is still not able to get in and the ukrainian government complained bo that today. people have gone for more than a week without food, without water, without heating and without medicine, which is critical for a lot of the elderly people who live there. for those who remain in mariupol, the situation is very, very tragic and it is still a

city taking the brunt of this war. and seeing that pregnant woman who later died being carried out of that maternity hospital. the situation there, it looks as though they could build on these humanitarian corridors. we heard there's more than 100,000 people rescued all across the country through humanitarian corridors. those have to persist. >> matt bradley, thank you. courtney, we now have these reports that the russians are potentially asking the chinese for help, be it military or economic. what could the chinese offer the russians? what are we continually concerned about in this circumstance? >> one thing we know what they have done is provide what u.s. officials are calling tacit approval. there was talk of putinputin an.

what does that mean if china wants to invade taiwan? would russian provide them the same tacit approval? the answer is yes. the concern is we've been watching russia with this campaign that's moved a lot slower than expected, taken more battlefield losses than anyone anticipated and that they anticipated as well. the concern is what could they be bringing in? could the chinese or others provide them with the sorts of back fill to -- for the equipment that they've been losing? it's important to point out the vast majority of the russian military is still in tact, right. of what they moved into ukraine a couple weeks ago, they still have about 90% of that available to them. they've lost personnel, lost equipment, lost hundreds of vehicles but they still have an overwhelming force over what the

ukrainians have. >> could a russian soldier open a box of chinese equipment and use that? how interoperable are they? >> it would really be a case-by-case basis. the other thing that china can provide that's very immediate is economic assistance. that's something we've been hearing about the russian, how the sanctions are hitting them hard, the russian people. it's possible that china could step in there and that would have a real impact because it would lighten some of the pressure, take some of the tension off vladimir putin, which is one of the things that u.s. officials are hopeful will impact his calculus in the military campaign. >> ben hodges, courtney talks about the diplomatic help at the start of this invasion. how do you see the relationship between their two militaries?

is this the kind of thing where they can or would potentially provide practical assistance in the invasion going forward? >> i think the chinese have serious buyers remorse right now. they see they are potentially handcuffed to what i think in a couple of weeks is going to be a corpse. the russians have a terrible manpower problem, both in terms of fresh personnel but also morale problems. there have been reports of desergs. none of us, including the united states, has enough ammunition. i bet the missiles and rockets

used to describe buildings are probably running low. that might be where they turn to the chinese for help but my sense is the chinese do not want to do this. >> as i read and watch all the analysis of this war, i hear a lot of people say ultimately the sheer weight of russia's military strength and the amount of people they can throw into this conflict will ultimately win but you write about recently and i'll tweet this link because i thought it was fascinating, the idea of a culminating point, if they get to a point where they're not actively winning, they start to lose by default. can you explain where if russia doesn't start achieving more objectives pretty quickly, they almost start losing by accident here? >> i've been wrong a lot so i don't have a crystal ball here, but my assessment is that russia's decision to transition to a war of attrition, whether it's smashing cities, putting civilians on the road because of

fear of being murdered, they need three things to do this and they don't have those three things. they don't have the time, they don't have the manpower and i don't think they have the ammunition. so in about ten days, in my assessment, and this is assuming that we, the west, not only continue but accelerate the delivery of the capabilities ukrainians need to destroy russian long-range artillery rockets and cruise missile sites, in the next ten days russian will culminate and not be able to continue the attack any further. it's kind of a race actually. and we give the ukrainians enough where they can outlast russia until russia culminates. and my assessment right now, unless something dramatically different happens, that's in about ten days. >> speaking of dramatic changes here, were you surprised that the russians expanded the battlefield, if you will, by

conducting these air strikes in western ukraine, so close to the polish border? >> i think this is a two-fold attempt to, number one, signal they still have the capability to reach the lines of communication, logistic trail that goes from poland into ukraine. and also i think they probably had hoped to destroy some of the logistics infrastructure there. yarviv has grown into an excellent training center and it's a good location as a logistics hub. i think that's probably why they did it but i don't think they can sustain that. >> i think this is the fourth round now of negotiations to find a diplomatic situation to

this war. does it widen the door that maybe the fourth time's the charm here for some kind of negotiations to break through? >> i want to clarify. culmination does not mean defeat. it just means they can't go further. she does a great job there at the pentagon. they still have a lot of stuff, a lot of capability. but there's kind of a tipping point where the logistics situation for ukraine gets better and better. that's why it's so important that now is the time to put the pedal to the metal. we should be pouring it on. we've got our foot on the necks of the russians, don't back off, don't hesitate, don't give them a chance to recover. these talks are important to keep the door open but if we keep pouring on the gas, then the ukrainians will have a position of advantage in these negotiations. it's interesting to me the russians are asking the chinese for help.

brilliant by the white house to release that, by the way. they're going to syria to recruit troops to fight. people are going to ukraine to join the ukrainian army. no one is going to russia to join the russian army. >> courtney, i saw you nodding when he was talking about ammo shortages and the idea that russia mighting coming up against a culminating point here. >> the general is right about the ammo shortages and unfortunately the ukrainians will be facing that as well. i will say the u.s. and many of these allies providing things to ukraine have been pretty careful about not talking about specifics. they're worried about things getting hit on the way in or intercepted by the russians. but also they want to maintain some sort of secrecy about.

the stinger missile has been a particular point of contention in the u.s. the u.s. does not want to acknowledge them they've been providing them. >> and turkey is providing drones. there's a large convoy that seems to be moving around kharkiv in the east. those drones are perfect for that. it's a contested airspace, it's extremely dangerous to be flying there. at least with an unmanned platform, you're not endangering the lives of service members. i this i we'll hear more about anti-tank and air going forward. >> we'll be listening later this afternoon. and as russian forces seemingly target civilians in kyiv, i'll speak with a member of the ukrainian parliament who is staying behind to fight for his

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national security adviser jake sullivan you meets with china's top diplomat in rome today. three officials told nbc news russia asked for military equipment sometime after they started their invasion of ukraine. both china and russia are denying the reports and the white house hasn't provided comment. but a possible china-russia alliance, even a limited one, raises questions over what putin's next move is and whether beijing could play a role in perhaps brokering a peace deal. joining me is the deputy director of the atlantic eurasia

center. what's your degree of hopefulness that a negotiated settlement could be reached this time around? >> zero i'm sorry to say. i don't see why vladimir putin is going to be willing to negotiate. i don't think the west wants to admit it but he's slowly but surely making progress on the black sea and in kyiv. he hasn't made as much progress as he expected, he thought it would be a cake walk in ukraine and take kyiv in a enough of days and take out zelenskyy. that hasn't worked out. he has big problems but he's still making progress. i don't see why putin wants to negotiate now. >> well, because there's only one way this war ends seems to be the argument of those who want to see some kind of negotiated settlement. i'm curious, if you can get him to the table, what should be on offer here? is it your view that the

ukrainians have to just fight it out or could there be something they put on the table that might induce putin to rethink this whole plan? >> so there were real things on offer in the last series of negotiations, but all the things that the russians asked for, there were six different demands, are nonstarters for the ukrainian size. they want to freeze nato membership, they want crimea to be recognized as russian. it is not going to happen. they want the donbas to be recognized as russian. it's not going to happen. there's no way china can be a credible negotiator. israel's tried, turkey's tried, france has tried. the problem is that vladimir putin wants to destroy ukraine and no one has convinced him to step down. the west has done a great job of sending defensive materials, they've been great with sanctions, presented a unified voice but putin is still in charge and we haven't convinced him to stop.

>> why can't china be a player on this for something other than sending weapons to the russians? >> in order to be a credible negotiator, you need to be trusted by both sides and i don't think that's the case. the chinese -- the chinese are not going to get in bed with putin. they have a close relationship with him. you're showing pictures of the president of china and putin. they give each other necklaces, but once you go down a couple of levels, there is friction. so i wouldn't expect the relationship to do a whole lot for putin right now. china's too smart. they don't want to be international pariahs. putin is now an international pariah after what he's done in ukraine. >> they're the second largest economy in the world and they're sort of looking the other way here. is there more the u.s. could do to bring china into alignment with us on this issue, whether

it carrot or stick, like secondary sanctions on china? >> look, the white house is talking to the chinese right now and trying to convince them not to help the russians. so, look, i think a lot of this stuff has to be done private live but i think the chinese want to continue to be a real player and have a good relationship with the united states. i think we need to say very clearly, if you enable the russians, this is going to jeopardize u.s.-chinese relations. >> what do we still have in our back pocket sanctions-wise here in terms of additional ways to put pressure on russia beyond the military pressure that general hodges was laying out in our last segment? >> you can always increase sanctions more, but i'm honestly a little concerned that our sanctions policy doesn't make a lot of sense. the sanctions policy i don't think is well thought through. right now it hurting middle-class russians and those are the people we want on our

side. i don't know why we're destroying the economy in russia. people can't travel. their visa cards can't work and i don't think we've hit putin or his inner circle. the last thing we got in our pocket is to go after putin and his inner circle and there's been some reluctance on that. >> we'll see if that changes in the days and weeks ahead. thank you very much. >> we've got much more ahead on the war of ukraine and president biden. before we go to break -- >> like all of us, my heart has ached watching videos of ukraine, sick kids fleeing on makeshift medical trains, the unthinkable bombing of a maternity ward, parents weeping over their childrens' broken bodies in the streets. the senselessness is staggering.

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journey through areas full of russian troops. these two women recounted their escape. >> we stay with children, with old people and with the animals, dogs and cats and it was a miracle. okay, okay. we are sisters. >> i'm joined by ukrainian mps. thank you for joining us. you're in kyiv right now. you've got russians still surrounding the city, air strikes hit civilian areas the last 24 hours. take us through what's happening on the ground right now. >> right now i'm in the kyiv region where fighting is happening at the moment. kyiv we had in the first week pushed out all the russians from the city and basically russians

since that time tried to cut our supply lines to the west and western border. the point is we are basically focused on trying to keep those cities on the road to the west open and i'm basically returning from another round of visitations to those most embattled cities trying to help them in every way imaginable so they can carry on the battle. >> how is the ground offense doing in urpine, a city, a suburb americans have been watching closely? >> the fact the russians are moving in, destroying their columns. they move again and they try to seize that city as a gateway to kyiv, as a way to put the forces as close to kyiv as possible. but they are holding strong and the battle there is raging every single day and is essentially one of the key hero cities that

are a symbol of our defiance. >> how are people standing up? what is life like for the people who are still saying? >> well, many, many still remain to take up their arms, to have the means to be useful when the time comes to defend their city in one way or the other. as far as the population generally, it depends. there are all kinds of horror stories you hear. i was just today in the city where a russian shell had hit a home of people who were not killed but all of them are now in the hospital paralyzed, some of them and destroyed the livelihood of so many. and basically people lost their homes and miraculously survived but they are not going to come back and they are staying in their town to keep operations

possible to keep their down alive. all kinds of horror stories are happening around us and kyiv now is a city preparing for a big battle to come and they will stay strong and it is our capitol we shall not give up. >> we opened today with the bombing of an apartment building or the shelling of an apartment building in kyiv. do you believe that russia is intentionally targeting these civilian targets to try to bring the ukrainians to their knees? >> russia doesn't care. it wants to destroy our country. it wants to do that by any means necessary. that's why the civilian residence buildings you've seen in mariupol were destroyed and the death toll is now in the thousands, not to mention the humanitarian catastrophe happening there. and when you look at what russians are using, they're using bombs, vacuum bombs, they are using means that are truly

unheard of in warfare, especially in europe and in this century. but russians will do anything necessary to destroy our country. >> you're the youngest member of parliament in ukraine. we've heard from young people. they're angry. they saw a future in ukraine, a free ukraine, a western ukraine. they see it being taken away. you tweeted "we were born an independent ukraine and we will die an independent ukraine." do you think younger people like yourself -- the only way you've ever lived is in a free, independent ukraine. >> that's the whole idea of our struggle right now. we have to find that which we can do to -- for our countries to have better chances in this david and goliath battle happening between russia and us. we knew only this country and we know it's freedom, potential,

future. we cannot give up on it because russia wants us to. we shall battle on. >> i have to ask, are you paying any attention to these peace negotiationing going on outside the country or do you still believe you're in a fight? >> we believe in one thing, humanitarian corridors and these are violated by russia every single day with civilians dying. and as far as the negotiation with russia, what the -- what it wants to achieve there is capitulation. and we shall battle on to continue building the future that we believe in. >> thank you for joining us. i appreciate you making this work. please stay safe. >> thank you very much. >> and still ahead, a divided

congress comes together on foreign policy to push president biden for more action to help ukraine and rebuke russia. are we about to see a new cold war style majority in congress? you're watching "meet the press daily." can.

welcome back. two weeks ago the white house announced it was blocking russian banks to key international payment system, amid pressure from lawmakers in congress. last week president biden announced a ban on russian oil imports, a move which came april mid a growing pressure campaign from lawyers in congress. congress has been leading the white house in terms of its involvement in this conflict and now we're seeing lawmakers on both sides of the aisle begin to push the administration to get those polish fighter jets to ukraine. >> we've heard directly from the ukrainians, they want them

badly. they want the ability to have better control over the skies in order to give them a fighting chance. so i don't understand why we're not doing it. we initially gave it a green light. last weekend the secretary of state said it was going to get a green light and for some reason now we're blocking it. >> well, i made clear to them, i spoke to the president himself about ten days about this, i'd like to see the planes over there. >> so far the administration has pushed back against those kind of demands and the pentagon says more jets are unlikely to significantly change the playing field in ukraine. nbc's leann caldwell is on capitol hill. leann, we've seen lawmakers now get out in front of the white house on several of these anti-russia actions over the last month or so. you could probably put nordstream 2 in that.

my question is how hard do we think lawmakers are going to keep pushing on this and what's that say on the prospect they might get their way? >> garrett, it is interesting that the war over there has united congress, i guess. there's nothing that unites people more than having a common enemy and that surely has done that now. and as far as the republican party is concerned, there seems to be a rearrangement back to the traditional ideologies of the republican party away from america first, of under president trump, to the more traditional interventionalist aspect of the republican party. now, as far as the russian planes that the ukrainians want, we'll see what sort of ground swell there is. there's a couple interesting things here. there was a letter written by 40 senate republicans last week to the administration asking them to push and to move forward on this plane transfer. but there are some key people who weren't on that letter as

far as republicans were concerned and that was senator inhofe, the head of the senate armed services committee. speaker pelosi was very out front on banning russian oil into the u.s. but on this issue, she has not said a lot. so i think that if you don't have both leaders and leaders of key committees on your side, i'm not sure if this is going to go anywhere just yet. there is a groundswell of rank and final, especially those traveling over there and hearing from people that's what they want and what they need. >> i hear you. it's probably more likely that president biden is listening more to rob portman than james inhofe, just based on their personal relationships. how weird is it to see congress at the tip of the spear on foreign policy like this? it's unusual for congress to put

itself out in front in this way, is it not? >> yeah. congress always tries to insert itself into negotiations and foreign policy. you see how congress as tried over and over again to appeal war authorizations. this is pretty wear. the administration is trying to move alongside the europeans and allies. congress is just working within itself. they don't have to take all of that into consideration. but it is more powerful, members of congress, and even some of the administration say than when everyone is on the same page. >> the lack of skin in the game is pretty important, especially when it comes to dealing with allies. >> up next, wartime politics in washington. what it could mean with the

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spread too far between aiding ukraine and punishing russia. joining me is jeff bennett, also an msnbc political analyst and also maria theresa kumar, also an msnbc contributor and republican strategist rick tyler, also an msnbc political analyst. we had mitch mcconnell asking schumer to double the funding aid in the package and they did it. >> there's certainly a blurring of the lines here. i take it from the view of the white house, where they say that president biden has been steadfast in sort of sticking to the organizing principle for the administration, which is to do something that is not perceived to be in the best interests of the nato alliance and of the u.s. when it comes to, for instance, transferring those pole mig

jets, the white house doesn't have a view whether they will get them from another country but the u.s. doesn't want to be involved in a transfer because they view it as being escalatory. the white house has drawn strict lines. it's interesting to see whether democrats on the hill fall in line or cross the lines the white house has drawn. >> tyler, republicans are perfectly happy to help when it comes to sending military aid but they're also giving with one hand and whacking the president over the head with something like gas prices. you see the presidency say we want to take these steps but then here's biden raising your gas prices. >> so far biden hasn't received any of political capital that president zelenskyy has offered him. it was a brilliant move to invite him to address the congress. the reason is president zelenskyy, who himself been an extraordinary leader, single

handedly convinced the europeans to get very tough. we talked about that over and over again, on this action by russia. and vladimir putin has gone from, you know, world leader to pariah. he is as popular now as saddam hussein was. he's as popular now as bin laden. he will not retain power but we've got to get through the rest of it. i don't understand the white house's view of not getting these jets. it's a little convoluted the way poland wants to do that but the offer is there, take it. we're killing russians with american-made javelins and we're shooting planes out of the describe with american help. we are in this. the idea that we wouldn't give them plaps that -- planes that belong to poland is absurd.

>> and rick made the point that president biden is not getting a zelenskyy bounce. when you look at the polling, it's kind of fascinating. biden's wartime policies are popular, buffer he's mott getting the credit for them. it's fascinating to me the way these numbers are shaking out. why why doesn't joe biden get credit for doing the popular things joe biden does? >> i think part of it is one thing that the biden administration knows how to do so well, they know what levers to pull inside congress. he was a legislature for so long and he knows how to pass things quickly when it came to ukraine. he knows how the sausage is made. i do think his challenge in this administration has been constantly communicating to the american people what is happening. what he doesn't want to repeat is what happened in the 1970s. our generation has never seen inflation historically, and the only other president -- >> oh, me.

>> i was not going to point anything out. but they are missing that beat, so they could read the historic tea leaves. and one thing that carter did not do is communicate to the american people of the why, and if president biden can start talking about the why and go into the place -- i think we discussed this last time, go into the communities where republicans vetoed the infrastructure bill, and say this ribbon cutting is because i brought jobs back, and the inflation is going to be the big thing. >> what do you make of the reporting that we broke here at msnbc, is that the kind of thing he could capture for taking credit for the things that are his idea? >> again, one of the things we under reported is he was chairman of the senate foreign

relations committee. he became vice president and knows a lot of the leaders and the people behind it. tony blinken has done a good job, and by going to europe he will demonstrate america is back and the leadership is back, and the american people i think will follow lead. >> i might sound polly annish, but president biden said that to a gathering of democrats on friday, you ask the american people what the american rescue plan is, and they say what the heck is that, and they don't say heck. and the white house blames those of us in the media for shifting the goal post, for a year the question was can this administration get it's arms

down and the question is all about inflation, and gas prices. >> you want to talk about context here. rewind the tape a little further. you and i covered the first trump impeachment, and it was all about ukraine. marie was on this program over the weekend and i want to play what she said about the long tail of this. >> i think it plays a part. i think putin saw how trump viewed ukraine and -- >> he viewed it as -- >> as a p pawn. the release of that transcript showed the world that we had an administration that was willing to trade our national security for personal and political gain when the president of the united states of all people should be working for all of us and our national security. >> rick, the broader public may

have memory hold that impeachment but i imagine congressional republicans haven't. what do you think the long tale is of all of that? does it make it easier for republicans to break with president trump now? >> yeah, this is a divine opportunity to do that, and they are doing so because a pro putin position, there's no room for -- in either party for putin apologists right now. he's so popular, and i think his state of the union -- the state of his union address to congress is going -- he has enormous appeal. he works off of one promise which is remarkable, and that's shame. he shamed the european union into help him, and i think he will have that affect on congress and i think quickly people who have been apologizing for putin are going to find themselves cornered and start

backtracking quickly. 77% of trump supporters think putin is a war criminal. >> every time you are on, i like write down six times and underline inflation. is this the kind of thing democrats, could they capture that sentiment and run on ukraine, management, foreign policy management and all these issues we talked about as perhaps that solves their messaging problem? >> i think one place where a lot of democrats are unique compared to republicans, is when trump was in office, democratic voters felt that our democracy was in trouble. the president talks about autocracy versus democracy, and they understood the dismantling of the institutions at the voting booth and you can go on and on, and if he messages that way that we are living a 21st century moment of who is going to win and our sacrifice to make sure democracy is not abroad is

going to be inflationary, and ukraine and russia are the bread baskets of so many people. one thing president biden did so well right before the russian invasion was that he forecasted what the russians did for the american people, and russians were not able to penetrate with their disinformation, and that's why republicans believe what is happening because the president was able to forecast what was happening and allowed for real information to seep into the bloodstream. >> we will see how it turns out on the mid-term stage. thank you for being with us this hour. chuck will be back with more "meet the press daily." more coverage continues on msnbc with katy tur after the break.

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good to be with you. i am katy tur. it's day 19 of russia's war with ukraine. another round of negotiations failed to come to a cease-fire today. both ukraine and russia say they will meet again tomorrow. while ukrainian officials expressed hope for some concrete results in those negotiations, the russian campaign has only been intensifying. this morning heavy artillery strikes hit multiple civilian