good to be with you. i am katy tur. it's day 19 of russia's war with ukraine. another round of negotiations failed to come to a cease-fire today. both ukraine and russia say they will meet again tomorrow. while ukrainian officials expressed hope for some concrete results in those negotiations, the russian campaign has only been intensifying. this morning heavy artillery strikes hit multiple civilian

targets in kyiv. one caught on security camera right there. you can see a person walking through a nearby park at the very moment a bomb explodes in the street. an apartment building was also hit while many were still asleep in their beds. firefighters scaled ladders into blown out windows looking for survivors. nbc's richard engel was there. >> it was coming, and the window blew away on me. the window just followed me and everything was blown away. here's my house. here are my parents. i don't -- i don't know what i have to say, why this would happen. everything needs to stop. >> russia is now bombing targets in the west as well. over the weekend bombs fell on a military base just 20 miles from

the polish border increasing fears the war could spill over into nato territory. meanwhile in mariupol thousands were able to escape but thousands are still trapped without heat, food or clean water and no help. mariupol is almost under constant assault making it impossible for a large convoy of much-needed humanitarian aid to get in. there are reports that convoy is some 15 miles away from russian-controlled territory. in one 24-hour period alone, mariupol endured 22 air strikes. 22 residents are dead and two of whom are a mother and her baby after the strike on the city's maternity hospital. she had a crushed pelvis and a

detached hip. the doctors tried to save her life but it was too late, both died from the trauma. joining me now is nbc foreign correspondent, matt bradley in ukraine, and courtney kube. it does seem like there's two realities in ukraine. the one you are living in lviv right now where much of it seems to be if not business as usual but more normal than the rest of the country, and then what we are seeing in a place like mariupol with the constant shelling and thousands of residents trapped. >> reporter: you are exactly right, katy. those two realities collided just recently, and we did hear air raids, and there was a military base about 12 miles away from the polish border, and that did not shock a lot of people here but has put the

western part of the country on edge. if you look at the map we see the bombardments from the east to the west, and in the part of the country where i am now, a lot escaped the worst damage. the last couple of days i was in a city right outside of kyiv and that's a mostly civilian place. they got a lot of bombardment and they were facing it on civilian targets. whether or not this was just the russians trying to hit military targets, and there were a few of them around that city, and they happened to miss and hit homes killing children and women, it's hard to know. residents there i spoke to said they believe the russians are trying to terrorize them, to soften the ground and put pressure on president zelenskyy to capitulate to russian demands. whatever those may be as they are shifting a bit as some of the negotiations are continuing

on. a lot of people there had no shame in saying that they absolutely hated vladimir putin calling him a subhuman, less than a human being, calling him an animal or beast. they used these words frequently. you were mentioning mariupol. there was a glimmer of hope today. we did see a convoy of vehicles, about 160 civilian cars allowed finally after aborted attempts of save passage out of the city, we did see the convoy. one of the things we are hearing from officials in mariupol, they are running out of food. they are running out of clean water. they have no electricity or heat and have no medicine and they say the russians are continuing

to block humanitarian convoys from coming in. there's a mismatch here in terms of what the russians are allowing in and what they are allowing out. if any of the cease-fires can work, and we see them working on days on in in sumi, that will allow civilians to escape in what is especially in the eastern part of the country on just relentless bombardment from the russians. >> it was called apocalyptic in mariupol a few days ago, and you can only imagine how much worse it is now. courtney, let's talk about the target in the west, and russia said in the arms coming in from the west are fair game. is that what they were targeting here? >> we have been asking that same question since we first heard about the cruise missile strikes, and officials did not

want to talk specifically about what may have been the target here outside of it being this military base, and there was no impact on military equipment or supplies that the u.s. and nato allies have been sending into ukraine in recent days in these specific attacks. one other thing that is that significant about these strikes, and you can see how close they were to the polish border, but these were actually carried out by russian air assets, long-range bombers with long range cruise missiles, and they were fired from inside russian airspace. why that is so significant, we are hearing the huge debate on the no fly zone, and people are arguing about the need for a no fly zone over ukraine. in the case of these air strikes yesterday, because these bombers never actually crossed into

ukrainian airspace, this is an example of where a no fly zone would not have been able to stop this attack. we know the defense official we spoke with could not say specifically how many people were killed. he did say there were no americans at the base at the time, even though there have been american military there in the past for training missions, but the ukrainians say dozens of people were killed in the attacks. again, they were from long-range cruise missiles fired from long-range bombers. >> courtney kube, thank you so much. matt bradley, thank you as well. let's go now to france where we will find a parliament ukrainian member. lisa, thank you for joining us. i want to get your take on what courtney was talking about, these were long-range cruise missiles and that could be a reason no fly zone, while being argued for, might not be so effective?

>> well, i don't agree that it wouldn't be effective. i can tell you honestly in the council of europe with many states part of the european union and discussing real dangers that they are aware of, and of course, since yesterday, this air strike happened just meters away from poland. people here are horrified and understand that putin is not going to stop. we just need to find all the possible ways to protect ukraine and europe and airspace, because putin will continue bombing. >> what is your assessment or your understanding of how the ukrainian military is doing right now? >> as far as i know, i know quite a lot that the ukrainian military is in very good shape, a very good fighting mood.

we are very supporting we, as ukrainians, our army and also the world is supporting the ukrainian army right now. of course that keeps them very positive spirit. of course the news that we receive every day in our army that there are more attacks from the russian side, of course it's very hard. we lose our people. we lose civilians and we lose also our army. that's very hard. >> i know you have been in emergency meetings with the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe. what is currently on the table? >> currently we are discussing the suspension of russia organization and it's going to happen because of the war crimes and all the violations of international law that russia

who now and actually start the war in 2008 in donbas and ukraine in 2014, and we have not been more united than now, and we lack the tools that can really stop putin right now. but we are very united and we understand that these tools should come because it's a question of protection of our future and our tomorrow. >> what about humanitarian aid? we were just reporting on how humanitarian aid is not getting into mariupol because of the constant russian bombardment and how that aid might be in russian-controlled territory right now. give us your update on the effort to get people food, to get people water and medical supplies where they are needed. >> well, they are needed around all ukraine. even in the west of ukraine. of course the most tragic and

dramatic situation in mariupol, in the surrounding of kyiv, people don't have water or food. only approximate numbers of people in mariupol are trapped right now, and that's about half a million. there's no connection with most of these people. the situation is very hard. that's why we're screaming to all the world, please, let's do the no fly zone if it's possible, and let's do more to protect our sky and our air because most of the attacks are coming from the air. >> you believe with a no fly zone would at least humanitarian aid to get in or potentially people to get out of the areas that are being targeted? >> well, this is one of the ways how we make sure that the humanitarian corridors work and are not attacked, and it's a possibility to protect at this moment people so that the rockets and missiles will not be

thrown at them. of course we should do that. that's not just about one life but about thousands of people now. >> we are looking at some of those refugees right now that made it all the way to warsaw, poland. thank you for joining us today. ahead, the bombardment intensified but are russian troops capable of taking kyiv? we will get an assessment on this in a moment. negotiations are not so far working so what might ultimately end the war? with poland at its breaking point, what is the united states doing to help ukrainian refugees? it's clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels and contains high quality protein to help manage hunger and support muscle health. try boost® today. ♪ ♪ ♪a little bit of chicken fried♪ ♪cold beer on a friday night♪

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nearly three weeks into the war and ukraine still maintains control of the capital, kyiv. joining me now is national security analyst, clint watts, and he served as an army

infantry officer, and also joining us a director on the national security council and a military analyst with the cia and served in the army with tours in iraq and afghanistan. i want to begin with you -- i am looking over at you because you are across the studio. there are a lot of questions about why russia is having a hard time getting into kyiv. are they capable of actually doing it, actually pulling that off? >> it's pretty interesting, katy. they started off with the rapid assault into kyiv. this is what we talked about in weeks one and two was the convoy essentially that was ascending in the northwest and they took heavy casualties. what you are seeing now is really axis they are coming in on here, here and now they are starting to move to blocking

positions here. i think that's the bigger picture, what is the current situation. these two axis, there was an armored column that got destroyed by artillery and air strikes. this is another axis of advance, and what they are trying to do is come in on each of the corridors and establish blocking positions, such that they can surround the city, and ultimately, in order to take kyiv, they want to seal it off. you will see the russians do this. over time you will see them build this parameter and cut supplies off. how long can the ukrainian military keep this standoff going, which they have done impressively well, and how long will it take the russians to close in and build this parameter. >> we have seen the russians take a lot of incoming, and ukrainians have been blowing up convoys as we have seen, and the

ukrainians know the land better. i wonder if it ends up taking a long time are there questions whether or not russia will be able to sustain the force it needs to surround that city, clint? >> i think it's a big question mark that they can do it. several things have happened over the last couple of days and the weekend. you are starting to see more dismounted infantry close into the west. this is them essentially pairing what they needed to do with the armored convoys before, bringing in airborne forces. and you have heard calls back in russia for syrians or libyans and calling on china for them for aid possibly. and russia is saying we are not sure we can keep it up or maintain it. this could be a long fight and they don't want to go back into russia and start to go through another draft, more constrips.

they are getting hit with lots of brainwashing and disinformation about how many losses russia is taking inside ukraine. >> jeffrey, going to china for help with munitions and what not, military equipment and aid. there's also reporting, and courtney just mentioned this, a lot of the flights -- the bombing flights are originating from russia or using long-range missiles from russia. what does that tell you about there's not much of an air campaign within ukraine taking off from campaign? >> on the china piece, that's interesting. the military has performed pretty poorly obviously since the beginning of the conflict, and i saw reports about asking china for drones, for example,

and russia had plenty of drones before the conflict so that has not gone well, and then the russian air flights in the last 48 hours, and that's because how effective the ukrainians have been in attacking the aircraft. i would not want to be a helicopter in ukraine right now, and they have to support the russian troops by going at a low altitude. >> what is your take on russia's current status right now and their ability to be successful with this invasion, jeffrey? >> i think it's nearly impossible for putin to achieve his political aims. even if he did take kyiv, and that's a huge task, and that city has swallowed up armies, he could never leave because he could never survive. the other big driver of this is

the impact, the economic impact is tremendous. i think that's almost the more proximate driver about what putin does in the end here, and if he loses control of the economy and you have chaos in moscow this could be a bigger conflict. coming up, caught in the cross fire. kids with severe illnesses are being rushed out of the war zone. we have the story of how they are getting out. what will it take for russia's war to stop? mm. [ clicks tongue ] i don't know. i think they look good, man. mm, smooth. uh, they are a little tight. like, too tight? might just need to break 'em in a little bit. you don't want 'em too loose. for those who were born to ride there's progressive. with 24/7 roadside assistance. -okay.

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hello. we meet 8-year-old dannie and his mom in the relative safety of lviv a week after fleeing the city of kharkiv that is under constant attacks from russian troops. he was diagnosed on the 5th and then the war started. it was terrifying, she says, leaving in an ambulance dodging the constant bombing. it was full-scale war. >> what does it feel like as a mother to have all of this out of your control? but i have to be strong. i will do whatever it takes to get him the treatment he needs. you'll go anywhere? it doesn't matter? anywhere to get treatment. the doctor here runs the pediatric oncology ward here at the children's medical center. >> it's a terrible situation. >> having a child with cancer or

severe illness is horrific, but in this place is a hell nobody should have to endure. little 7-year-old sophia is on dialysis. a week ago she was uprooted from her home near kyiv traveling with her nurse and her little bunny. >> what was that responsibility like for you? >> these kids are like our family, she says. there was not enough staff to get our children out. the hospital is overrun and needs to move kids out of the country. on saturday for ina and danny lou, it was go time. we are very worried and i want to get to the clinic fast so we can start the treatment. the convoy, a dozen ambulances and three buses. she sent us video from the road to the border. they made it to poland. now they are outside of warsaw.

she says for now the future is unclear but we are so happy to be safe. since the start of the war this hospital in lviv accepted more than 250 of this country's most critically ill children, and they only have beds for 180 and they are stabilizing the children and moving them out of the country. molly hunter, nbc news, lviv, ukraine. the fourth round of talks between russia and ukraine delegates will continue tomorrow. ukraine's foreign minister called on other nations to isolate russia and to avoid, quote, being dragged into world war iii. they are appealing for more help to the american congress on wednesday, and vladimir putin

facing protests at home and crippling economic sanctions appears undeterred. his war on ukraine appears to escalate with no clear off-ramp. joining me is the executive eder of thenew yorker.com. he has been awarded a pulitzer prize, more than one, for his reporting on genocide during the bosnian war. thanks for being here, david. we are in round number four right now in negotiations between ukraine and russia. what could possibly be on the table to get russia to retreat? >> i think, you know, it's creating an opportunity for putin to claim victory. it would take the ukrainians somehow deferring joining nato. they passed a constitutional amendment about joining nato and they could pull that back. it would involve ukraine

accepting the presence of russian troops in the south that they have taken. these are areas where they are russian-language speakers. this is all outrageous. i want to say from the start that none of this should be happening, you know, that ukraine has a right to join nato and russian troops should not be in southern ukraine. what i have seen in the past conflicts is there's an early ability possibly to compromise, and in afghanistan, there were talks and the u.s. was over confident and the opportunity was missed and in bosnia, they thought they could win. it's critical to be willing to compromise for the ukrainians, and they are the victims here, but to find a way to give putin an ability to declare a victory here. >> to save face. if you did give him that, though, i wonder what the risks would be going forward if you allowed russian troops -- i am

not advocating for it, but if they did allow for russian troops in central and eastern portions of the country and promised not to join nato, wouldn't that embolden vladimir putin to do more at a later date? >> it's a risk, but i think this has gone so badly, i think his military has suffered so fiercely in this conflict. what that allows, if you can get a pause, is to rearm the ukrainians. the second part of having the ukrainians compromise is the u.s. needs to continue arming the ukrainians. the only reason there was a peace settlement in bosnia is because both forces started to win on the ground. you want to create an off-ramp for an excuse for putin to declare a victory.

the javelin and tank missiles are causing enormous problems for russian convoys, and there's no morale, and you want to simultaneously arm the ukrainians and let there be diplomatic conversations, and let the french president broker this, let them get the credit. that's the way to do it so he can say he reached a deal with the chinese or israelis, and end this because wars drag on than all sides think. neither side is going to win this. there is no easy victory. i saw that in afghanistan and bosnia. aggressive diplomacy and aggressive arming of the ukrainians. >> let me ask you about how the nato allies feel right now. kamala harris was in europe last week assuring the allies the u.s. has their back, and now

there's talk of biden himself going to europe and that's under discussion, doing the same for the nato allies. given there was a strike so close to poland, nine or ten miles away from the polish border, what is your take on us sending the president and the vp to reassure people that if this were to spill over the u.s. would not get involved? >> i think it was good for the vice president and the president to go. if putin dares to attack poland, a nato ally, the u.s. has to respond militarily. that's, frankly, the beginning of world war iii. you have to show military strength. you have to show putin that if he crosses that line and attacks nato, you know, the united states is going to act. i think president biden's presence would show that and it

would reassure the poles and the rest of ukrainian the u.s. support, and behind the scenes biden has to be embracing and pushing compromise and for both sides to walk back, and i hate the idea of russian troops remaining in ukraine, but if you can freeze the conflict and stop the killing and allow the ukrainians to rearm, that is a win for ukraine. >> david, you certainly speak from a position of experience having covered so many of these conflicts over the years. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. still ahead, a manhunt is in new york for a man accused of stabbing two employees at the museum of modern art. later, how russia's war is threatening a new iran nuclear deal. who's on it with jardiance? we're 25 million prescriptions strong.

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several factories have been shut down halting the production of the iphone and toyota vehicles. then negotiations in vienna broke up on friday after russia demanded guarantees that future trade with iran would not be impacted by sanctions related to the war on ukraine. u.s. negotiators walked away calling that last-minute request unacceptable. reporters were told a final text of the agreement to renew the nuclear deal was ready and on the table before the talks were torpedoed. russia would start looking at a alternative, and any path forward was made more complicated when iran's guard claimed responsibility for an

attack. joining me now is national security adviser to president obama, ben rhodes. he was a key figure in building the iran nuclear deal before it was signed. good to have you. russia is making demands on sanctions, and they have gotten relief on sanctions for the participation in the deal surrounding iran. what does it mean to have them pull out last minute? >> it shows we are in a new world where russia is going to try and stymie other western priorities. they have to do certain things to implement the deal. for instance, all the nuclear material that gets shipped out of iran, russia gets to take that and secure it and get rid of it. but russian demands go far

beyond anything they would have to do beyond the deal, and they are asking for an exception from the sanctions so they can do business with iran. this looks like russia trying to throw a wrench in the negotiations and trying to show it will make life harder for the united states and other countries so long as they are living under the sanctions, and that could be a difficult problem to solve unless the iranians agree to something the russians are not onboard with. >> what would it do to russia if an agreement was made without them? >> it's not that likely because iran has been close to russia over the years, but essentially what russia is looking at, too, if there's a nuclear agreement that will drive down the price of oil if you re-introduce the iranian oil in the market, and russia has a variety of reasons where they may not want the deal to be made, including keeping

the price of oil high and creating headaches for the united states, and we are dealing with iran on the doorstep with a nuclear weapon as early as this year because that's the trajectory we have been on here. russia in the past has managed to compartmentalize the news because they have an interest in iran not having nuclear weapons, and now they may want to see instability in the global economy and instability for the united states as something in their interest. it shows, katy, how this war in ukraine will have all kinds of ripple affects given russia's position in the international system and it's a lot of unpredictability. >> it was quite jarring to know we are negotiating with russia on the iran deal in the leadup to this war. with it now potentially being scuttled by russia refusing to participate or making demands that can't be met, and what does

it mean for iran's ability to get a nuke? how close are they? >> quite close. since the united states pulled out of the nuclear deal, and they have begun to accumulate a stockpile of nuclear material, and they have begun to approach what was referred to breakout time. that's the amount of time it would take iran to accumulate enough material for a nuclear bomb, and then they have to figure out how to weaponize it, and they could reach that threshold this year. they would still have to figure out how to weaponize it, and we could be looking at a nuclear crisis in the middle east, at the same time we are dealing with a war in ukraine. if you look at the missile attack you mentioned that the revolutionary guard was taking credit for, that's the kind of faction that is closest to russia. we could be looking at a

situation where this conflict in ukraine starts to pop up in other parts of the world as russia or its allies or its proxies try to cause problems for the united states and our allies. it shows what a perilous new world we are in here on the back end of russia and ukraine. >> yeah, and what is happening in north korea, that's another whole story. ben, thank you for being with us. up next, fleeing war. where will the millions of refugees go. poland is nearly full. poland is nearly full. ♪ ♪ ♪a little bit of chicken fried♪ ♪cold beer on a friday night♪

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weekend, many unsure where to go. yelena, her daughter and 85-year-old mother say they walked the last 50 miles to the polish border. >> when we cross, my mother began to cry because my mother needs help. all these people, thank you very much. thank you. i'm sorry. >> reporter: they're on their way to warsaw, then germany, eventually hoping to get visas to the u.s. at temporary shelters, refugees only stay a night or two. volunteers help them find more permanent places to stay to make room for the next wave. across europe, more than 300,000 refugees are staying with relatives and friends or host families. most refugees want to stay close to the border in poland, hoping to return home. >> until the fighting stops, returning home is out of the question for most ukrainians. options are limited, and many are urging the united states to do more.

joining me is president and ceo of the lutheran immigration refugee service. she was the policy director for first lady michelle obama and a senior adviser for secretary of states hillary clinton and john kerry. thanks for being here. let's talk about what the united states is doing. have we revised our visa policy? are we accepting ukrainian refugees in an expedited way? >> thanks for having me. so at this moment we're not. we obviously have allowed for temporary protected status for ukrainians who are here in the u.s., but in terms of expediting family who have u.s. ties, there hasn't been an acceleration. we haven't used vehicles that we could use like humanitarian parole which would allow people to enter the country on a temporary basis. it's how we had 76,000 afghan allies come to the u.s., you know, self several months ago.

>> what's stopping us? is it something that president biden can do by executive order or would it need to go through congress? >> yeah, that's a great question. i think part of it is understandably the administration had said we need to play a supporting role to european nations because, of course, those nations represent the front line. i think the initial focus in the first several days of this conflict was providing the humanitarian assistance, providing logistical support, early on the u.s. forces deployed 5,000 troops to help poland. but i think this is where it's that tipping point, here at home it's equally critical for the u.s. to take on a more direct role. and we have the room and the resources to welcome displaced ukrainians, especially acknowledging that the overwhelming majority are women and children, especially for those who have u.s. ties, they're facing incredibly long visa times. this is within the control of

the white house and federal administrations. so our federal agencies need to surge staff and resources. we also need to use the refugee resettlement program. we've resettled 50,000 ukrainians since 2001. that system was decimated by the trump administration, but just as we in part rebuilt it with the afghan resettlement effort, we can do that with ukrainians, as well. >> i've heard stories of ukrainian minors who have no family out of poland but when to flee or -- in poland i should say, and have had the family members that live in the united states not be able to take them to the united states because they need apply for a visa, a tourist visa, which could take three months to get which seems just ludicrous in the moment considering that they're minors. is there anything beyond taking people in that the united states can do to help them resettle in these neighboring countries, any way that we can make it easier

for poland to accept the refugees or hungary to accept the refugees? >> yeah. i certainly think that we have the expertise having been the global humanitarian leader on refugee resettlement since 1980 when we started our system. poland has asked for our expertise as they raised during vice president's trip last week. i think certainly there are two key components of what we could do right now. one piece of that is the humanitarian assistance that the white house presented and congress has clearly supported in a bipartisan way last week. and then the second piece is providing that logistical support, just as our military has gone in to afghanistan with the military evacuation, to africa and built hospitals, we can help build that capacity in terms of the operation centers that will provide welcoming. >> thank you so much for coming on and helping me understand. this is a question that's been bugging me now for over a week,

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