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thanks for spending time with us on "the bea." "the reidout" with joy reid is next. we begin with vladimir putin's barbaric war. he continues the terror campaign against ukraine civilian population bombing residential areas. his latest target was a nine-story high rise apartment building in kyiv where russian forces struck just after 5:00 a.m. catching most residenting still asleep. it comes as a fourth round of talks between russia and ukraine yielded little more than an agreement to keep the diplomatic channels open. it's widening the war.
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expanding his list of targets and striking further into western ukraine. yesterday a barrage of 30 russian missiles struck a base killing 35 people outside the city of lviv in the west less than 15 miles from the border of poland. it raises the very real possibility russia could draw western powers into the war. president zelenskyy issued an ominous warning about that prospect yesterday saying it's only a matter of time before the conflict spills outside ukraine's borders. the ukrainian president also visited wounded soldiers at the hospital sunday awarding medals and taking selfies to most moral. separately, we learned yesterday the first american known to have died in the war was journalist brent renaud on assignment for "time magazine." it comes as journalists flea unable to operate under the kremlin's law that effectively
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bans the expression of any opposing views. in fact, a new video released by an activist group in moscow appears to show the brutal efficiency of putin's crack down. it shows police arresting an interview subject at the second she and presses her opinion. >> [speaking foreign language]. >> later in the video, it appears another interview subject was arrested before she expressed any opinion. the humanitarian crisis is deepening across ukraine including in mariupol where they are striking residential apartments and non-military targets. many were ready to flee but according to the city counsel those who remain are running out of their last reserves of food
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and water. the new york times says the only thing that draws people from their basements and bomb shelters aside from scrounging from food is the daily hope they will be able to be evacuated. 2200 people have died since the start of the war according to government officials. we now know the number includes the pregnant woman and her baby whose tragic story captivated the world. the devastating images last week captured her fight for survival after russian forces needlessly and mergelessly bombed a maternity ward. now, gut wrenching new reporting today portrays a scene of desperation and distress as doctors labor to keep her alive. quote, realizing she was losing her baby, medics said she cried out to them kill me now as painful as that is to hear, that is the reality of putin's brutal war. it is becoming mired as he pursues the age old foley of regime change.
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russian forces have reportedly abducted at least two mayors to install prorussian replacements in cities under their control. ukrainian officials released a cctv video alleging to show one of the mayors being escorted away by russian troops on friday. yet, according to the washington post, ukrainians continue to push back against their occupiers signifying that if russia plans to occupy ukraine, then ukraiians are showing there will be significant resistance. we've seen more video of ukrainian protesters standing up to and shouting down russian troops. let's remember, this is a country putin thought he would bring to heel within 48 hours but the reality is he hasn't met his short term military objectives on the ground, let alone a grand strategy of replacing president zelenskyy with a russian friendly puppet. given putin's request for help from china, he may be realizing how badly his invasion is going.
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joining me now is cal perry in lviv ukraine and clint watts and a ukrainian chef and winner of "master chef" ukraine. apologize for butchering his name. cal, i want to start with you. early on in the war, being in lviv generally meant being safe. that was the route out of town. if you look at a map of ukraine. that is far to the west on the way, you know, to get out of the country. the war seems to have come your way. >> absolutely. and for the more than 300,000 refugees who have settled at least temporarily in this city, it's been a shock. you know, 48 hours ago, the city was woken up by the sound of explosions as rockets hit the air field killing at least 34 people and wounding another 130 and we have these consistent threats from the russian government to take out the supply lines that are feeding the war in the east, to take out
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the arm shipments that are coming in, we know are coming in from poland. there is a concern here that's growing that we'll see more air strikes and the fueling of weapons to the east is vital. it's vital for the ukrainians to carry on the war. you mentioned the city of mariupol. there are 400,000 civilians still trapped inside the city and conditions are deteriorating far beyond what we could possibly imagine where you have people reportedly fighting over food and afraid to go above ground and worse in the northern city of kharkiv where you don't even have mass graves like mariupol. mass graves are a desperation for people that can't go above ground and in kharkiv, you don't even have that. you have bodies laying in the streets even russian soldiers unclaimed. in the capital, you have a slow tightening and strangulation of the city and again, indiscriminate shelling of the residential areas. so as the battle space lays out,
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you can sort of look at it as a two front war. you have an aerial campaign that brings in the question what will nato do if these convoys and arm shipments continue to be targeted, what will nato's response be? this close to the border, 2.5 million refugees fled. there are at least that many people internally displaced. we heard from the mayor saying they have seen an increase of population of 15%. so the humanitarian situation is now sort of off a cliff and you have these horrendous, horrendous stories coming out of the eastern part of the country where it doesn't look like the sieges will lift any time soon, joy. >> wow. let me bring you in clint watts. it appears the goal is to crush and strangle and pulverize ukraine from all sides. that doesn't sound like a military strategy or strategy to
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successfully occupy a country of 44 million people but sure is leaving a lot of people dead. >> that's right, joy. lots going on but in different places you see different things. i think where cal is at, lviv where cal is at. this is the air field. you're seeing air strikes to the west. those air strikes are all about cutting off the supplies because the rest of the strategy is happening out here in the east. specifically, what we see is here in kyiv. if you looked last week, we were talking about the convey. the convey was breaking up but being reinforced. you saw them moving in and moving down establishing what we call battle positions. these positions are essentially designed to cut off supplies coming in from the west and ultimately from the south. bigger picture, though, i think what we're looking at is here in the north. this is the strategy of siege warfare that we've seen in mariupol coming in on advance. here is the thing.
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the ukrainian military is doing an amazing job of stopping the armored convoys but how long can they do it? russians trying to encircle and envelope the city to the south. they have to keep up the fight as long as possible. that brings me back to what is going on in the south. we were talking about where russia has done better or worse. the south, the military units advanced in a big way. two areas to watch. one of them is a city where essentially the russians pushed their furthest advance in the south and take this bridge head to move towards moldova. if they can move towards moldova, they will cut off the southern half of the country. they're meeting stiff resistance there and cal mentioned kharkiv. watch the russians moving forward. this is that nuclear plant we
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were talking about ten days ago. they're trying to move from here, south from sumi they would cut off the east of the country. last note, joy, see these light blue dots? those are protests against russian occupiers. it's contested to this day. the russians have blown past them but a lot to watch. >> let me ask you quickly a followup question. we have two mayors abducted and replaced with puppets. if there is still resistance to the points of occupation, do the russians have enough troops to fight that occupation protest, the resistance and advance to kyiv? >> i think the one spot to watch, joy, for this is kherson.
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the mayor vanished. this is a very russian approach similar to donbas. they moved riot police down to kherson from russia. if there is protest in russia, there is less riot police to deal with them in russia. i don't know how they would -- they can't control one city well. i don't know how they would do all of southern ukraine at all. >> thank you. let me bring in my next guest. okay. got it. excellent. i want to ask you about this. you're doing, you know, the god's work of trying to feed people. you're a master chef, a great chef but the question i always have when i talk to you and other folks who are really working on trying to feed people who are desperate is where are your supplies coming from at this point? we saw the map that shows the russian military swarming the
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entire country. are you still able to get enough supplies in order to do what you're trying to do? >> you know, like i didn't know from where supplies come but each city, each small city in ukraine there is like mayors and there is minister of agriculture and the minister of infrastructure and they check the situation every day, every second and they changing the road. they changing the rules how the supply comes but what i just know, even the cities which are under russia invasion, people call me and sending me different herbs. i don't know how it happened. they just call me and i got it. when i need something, i could have one day i can have fish from the south of ukraine, one day i'll have fish from the west of ukraine. one day fish from north of
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ukraine. i don't know how it works. i have experts doing it. in ukraine, this is a lot of volunteers and their eyes on the fire and if you need something, call them. if you need to find something, they will find it in ten minutes. amazing guys because they have experience for the eight years of the war in donbas. they help with everything. just need to call and ask for food to cook and they just can find everything and maybe just find something and we chefs like to cook, we know how to cook from everything so now i can cook everything. >> let me ask you this question. this is your home. this is your country. what is the status in terms of the level of hunger and desperation that you're seeing? the people who are coming to you to eat, you know, how long are they going between meals?
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>> it's different situation because in kyiv, it's everything plus, minus, more or less stable. so people are having two times a day have food and need more but in the west ukraine, it's different situation because it's a lot of refugees and they coming like every day and a huge amount. it's hard to organize this properly feeding the people. they have the food maybe once every three days, once in four days before they escape. but now we're trying to feed them at least twice a day but it depends on the amount of the refugees. so there is a problem but we're trying to use a lot of carbs and products to give them as much energy as we can give them. we try not to fuel them hungry, maybe a lot of bread if we can produce. we're trying to work with it.
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>> god bless you. thank you for all that you're doing for your country to try to keep people fed. cal perry, clint watts, thank you my friends. next on "the reidout" u.s. officials says china is being asked for help. >> the humanitarian crisis in europe. nearly 3 million ukrainian ref -- refugees, millions more and concern is growing about human trafficking and the possibility of a resurgence of covid. plus, extreme courage, the dramatic video of a protester interrupting russian state tv with a message, no war. they're lying to you. that is the russian disinformation machine attracting right wring grifters and professional trolls in a great big hideous stupid. "the reidout" continues after this. ntinues after this ♪♪ welcome to home sweet weathertech home.
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while both countries deny it, the u.s. government believes russia asked china for miitary equipment. this could signal their struggling to keep they are war going and russia missile supplies are running low and it's clear while russia may not be capable of occupying the country of 44 million people who continue to resist and protest the invasion, putin may be singularly focused on regime change in ukraine no matter the cost. so where does this end? francis you may remember from the 1989 essay the end of history argues that russia is heading for an out right defeat in ukraine and that there is no diplomatic solution to the war prior to this happening. tom argues in "the atlantic" is ensuring putin is defeated whale providing with an out route of the crisis offering ideas that
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ukraine could renounce its pursuit of nato membership and promise not to send troops into there. i can't imagine a world when president zelenskyy would vow to stay out of nato and say russia can have whatever chunks of territory they want. that seems like an open invitation to take more. what do you think? >> joy, i think that's exactly right. i think if you look at what russia's initial intention was, it was clearly to decapitate the government and replace with a russian puppet government as they've done in the past. the problem is now not only ukrainians resisting but imagine being that puppet government. you're not going to last for a second in ukraine without russian occupiers protecting you serving as your security force so you have a situation the only end is russian occupation control. there are scenarios where russia could offer things less than
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that like what you discussed, for instance a combination of ukraine agreeing not to join nato, maybe agreeing to russia's claim on crimea and maybe agreeing not to meddle in the affairs of the so-called people's republic in done done -- the idea of sacrificing some sovereignty after you've been assaulted like this seems very unlikely to me which is why the two sides are so profoundly far apart. >> let's move to china. it seems to me that, you know, if you -- if china wants a bipolar world, right, in a sense, russia's defeat would be good for them if you think about it that way, right? if it's a bipolar world of super powers and us and them, they shouldn't care one way or the other if russia goes down the tubes. on the other hand, they are lied with the kremlin. what do you think their incentives look like right now? it's not as if they would like to be cut off from western
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markets, from the e.u. and united states where they make a whole lot of their money. their trade with china, their trade with the e.u. is $838.1 billion in 2021. it was $755.6 billion in 201 with us. it's $146 billion with russia. why on earth are they not just turning on russia with the rest of the world? >> well, joy, it's a calculations you have to make. on one hand, you're right, they depend on the relationship with the united states and europe and democratic countries that have stood against this invasion and they don't like the kind of massive instability of the global economy that we're seeing. frankly, also, they're looking at the sanctions being imposed on russia and probably causing some concern that those types of sanctions could come their way for instance if they make a move on taijuan. if you ask what might be in their interest, first of all, the disruption in ukraine and massive amounts of u.s. and european attention being applied to russia is attention not being applied to china.
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once again, the united states is talking to the biden administration about focussing more on china. that's harder when there iswar europe. china can back some sanctions, not all of them. what might that mean for them? a lot of that oil coming off the market that used to come to the united states or europe, china could get that energy at a discount price from russia desperate for a buyer. the technology is restricted from going into russia. china could back fill that technology and make russia very dependent on beijing in the future. what could emerge is a russia hobbled economically but really dominated by chinese leverage so they have something to gain from both scenarios and thus far, their willingness to break from russia, we haven't seen that in recent years. more than likely, they'll try to play a low key role supporting
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russia but trying to get some benefits from backed economic sanctions and allowing russia frankly to disrupt the u.s. led international order. >> to that point, you know, russia, the kremlin talked about seizing the assets of companies like mcdonald's and coca-cola and arresting any of their nationals they can get their hands on. is this a scenario china looks and says well, if you seize those copyrights and assets, it's something they would go in and literally try to salvage the russian economy. is that something you can foresee them doing? >> they can't possibly make up for the deep structural investments and connections that existed between russia and the rest of the world this disappeared before our eyes in a matter of weeks because of this war. what they can do is move in and target the areas interesting to them. so again, do they want additional sources of energy from russia on the cheap? because they're buying from a desperate supplier in russia. do they want to maintain
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technology dominance of certain russian sectors, which by the way, might leave russia wired with chinese technology to give them a lot of insight, as well. i think they're likely to be more opportunistic where they can take advantage of the war knowing there is no way to make russia whole for the dramatic economic punch they're facing. >> what about this idea of them supplying arms to russia, which does seem to be stalled in their efforts? they're failing in the idea they will occupy this country and perpetrate regime change. if china were to come in and help them out and supply them arms, then what? that feels like a massive global escalation of this war. >> yeah, that would be a much more dramatic step by china. just the fact we're seeing the reports does indicate as you said, there is serious supply chain problems. that's not just back filling things like missiles but food for the troops, fuel for the
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convoys. the reality is china would usually try to stay out of the business of being seen as something of a participant in the military back and forth in ukraine. i think that's something that the chinese will approach somewhat cautiously. for them to really introduce arms into the context, that would be a significant escalation. i think that's why you see the biden administration making something of a full-court press here and reports of pretty senior meetings with chinese officials delivering the message that that form of escalation would be different qualitatively from just china continuing to try to purchase russian oil. >> ben rhodes, always such great insights. thank you. always appreciate the opportunity to talk with you. have a great evening. coming up, the flood of refugees pouring out of ukraine is raising concerns aboutploita vulnerable women and children. what is being done to protect them? that is next on "the reidout." them that is next on "the reidout."
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vladimir putin is trying to watch ratchet up his assault by extending the bombing campaign to the west targeting kyiv and lviv. lviv is hosting 2,000 displaced
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people and authorities expressed concern about the capacity to absorb more. further south and east a convey of 160 cars were able to flee the besieged city of mariupol in the first successful attempt at safe mass ever passage as a humanitarian corridor. more than 2.8 million refugees fled to neighboring countries. a majority 1.7 million are in poland and once there they struggle to find a place to stay, work and food to eat. according to the washington post, siting ukraine's border guard, the scarcity of those things prompted up to 220,000 ukrainians to head back into the battered country. many of the millions of women and children who have successfully fled are being tar -- targeted by human traffickers seeking to exploit them. security forces are doing what they can to protect them. police in poland detained a man after he raped a 19-year-old
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ukrainian refugees with offers of help. there is the on going threat of covid with several european countries including germany, the netherlands and austria seeing daily covid infections rise. joining me now is assistant u.n. secretary general and deputy executive director of u.n. women. thank you for being here. this is a topic that we've been talking about a lot in our meetings talking about covering this horrific situation because this movement, this movement of millions of people is a movement of children and women. talk about their special vulnerability as displaced people. >> yeah, thank you so much for having me. first of all, obviously, these women and children need humanitarian support, which is informed about their specific needs and that can be pregnant women, elderly women, women with disabilities et cetera. also especially vulnerable to the situation are women's
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organizations brought to us. so we need to support the women and children leaving. as you said, through good knowledge and cooperation and both from police in their receiving countries and other authorities as well as of course support from humanitarian agencies to be aware of the situation and also to support women with obviously both the immediate support when they arrive and a place where they can stay support. education and to offers of support and so there is a range
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of interventions that needs to be taken from everybody having contact with these refugees. >> just looking at the countries where people are going, poland has taken the majority, hungary took 255,000. it sort of scales down from there. are there countries with more infrastructure to take women and find them safe places to stay? homeless women being in a shelter is not safe because you're especially vulnerable to exploitation and violence. having -- you ran out of your home. do you have such things as the things for sanitary napkins to be blunt. do you have the things as a girl of woman? those are basic things you don't think about. are there countries doing a better job of securing and assisting women? >> you're absolutely right. it's a big task for the u.n. to
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be aware. any humanitarian support the u.n. gives regardless who people are should be informed about women and girls particular leads and provide and the u.n. and we know putin was well prepared. they received a lot of people however the numbers are growing and it's getting increasingly difficult, i think, for all the countries to provide quality care in relation to the refugees. so we also if you have an e.u. country with a well working infrastructure social infrastructure and a society and government institutions that work, obviously, it is easier but at the same time, we know that you also all the time have
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to involve organizations for example, you have to be in touch and we are with the women's organizations in ukraine and in receiving countries to understand well what the women actually need and try to support that. >> and we know there have been past mass exits, 6.6 million people were forced to flee syria since 2011, 6.7 million remain displaced in row -- ra wonda. the wars in other places. i wonder if there is a wave the u.n. can think about different kinds of people leaving. you have african refugees not only fleeing a war but far from home. how much more complicated is that trying to find safe places
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for people to stay who are fleeing ukraine but not even necessarily originally from ukraine? >> well, it's -- i think that the case of ukraine, the neighboring countries have an infrastructure which you might not have in for example in the region in africa or in the case of afghanistan, et cetera. and at the same time, the numbers are very big of people seeking help and needing help and that is -- that constitutes of course a challenge every day. the u.n. i would say has a lot of experience with these situations and also to pay attention to women's specific needs. that's part of the basic requirements for us and is also part of our refinements we should be informed by women's organizations and we often set up an advisory board from the women's organization in the immediate situations to be as
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informed as possible about women's needs and how to go about the situation in the best way. >> we're glad you're there. thank you so much for being here this evening and that is great information appreciae you. the kremlin's disinformation kicks gear with a certain fox news host leading the charge. you can guess who that is. should i pretend to be shocked? shocked. we'll be right back. shocked shocked. we'll be right back. every business, our best deals on every iphone - including the iphone 13 pro with 5g. that's the one with the amazing camera? yep! every business deserves it... like one's that re-opened! hi, we have an appointment. and every new business that just opened! like aromatherapy rugs! i'll take one in blue please! it's not complicated. at&t is giving new and existing business customers our best deals on every iphone. ♪ ♪
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today in moscow an anti war protester interrupted the main news program on the kremlin's flag ship tv channel running out behind the news anchor holding up a sign with slogans denouncing the war in ukraine. >> [speaking foreign language].
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>> in case you couldn't catch it, the slogans say no to war, stop the war, don't believe the propaganda. you're being lied to here. russians against the war. that very brave woman worked for that state run media channel. here she is in a video where she appeared to have recorded a message before her on air protest. she's been detained. that astounding scene of real courage comes as russia's disinformation campaign sinked it's teeth into the u.s. from lies about the invasion to baseless claims about biological labs in ukraine. putin is waging his disinformation war and the usual suspects, the former president's son who tweeted the lie that conspiracy theories around -- that the conspiracy theories around the labs were proven to be a fact.
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while another professional grifter troll said non-sense how americans treat russian people and suggest people read putin's war decoloration, speech for the real story. her tweet capped off with russian lives matter was retweeted by the russian embassy in the united states. a bombshell report from mother jones unconfirmed by nbc news reveals how useful and dangerous a useful idiot can be. david corn reports the kremlin sent out talking points to state friendly media outlets with a request to use more of tucker charleston and describes tucker as a popular news host who sharply criticizes the actions of the united states and nato and sums up the position as quote russia is only protecting its interest and security the memo also includes a quote from carlson quote, how would the u.s. act if this situation happened in mexico or canada? fox news has not responded to
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that. up next, david corn joins me with more on these leaked kremlin memos and we'll discuss how to fight the disinformation. stay with us. he disinformation. stay with us
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carlson's commentary as quote essential. that is according to a 12-page memo from the russian government agency to the russian media, obtained by mother jones. here's a little taste of with the kremlin deems as a must-see
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tv. >> democrats in washington have told you how the patriot trick -- to hate vladimir putin. it's not a suggestion. it's a mandate. because the target is russia very few americans have noticed any of this. they supported. the point here, is to defend democracy. not that ukraine is a democracy. it's not a democracy. you might be asking yourself, this is getting serious. what is this really about? why do i hate putin so much? has putin ever called me a racist? >> with me now is david corn, washington chief of mother jones. the slant news big letter, and malcolm of the upcoming book, they want to kill americans. the gang is back together again. it's great to see you, david, in person. talk about this memo. would it says and why is it that the kremlin seems to love tucker so much. >> it's important to know that there's no independent media left and russia. they all skedaddled. they were shut down.
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you could be punished and put in prison for up to 15 years if you report that there is a war. they're showing civilians, the russian army's having a difficult time. there's no real media. gdynia they've been getting these memos from this russian information agency. it's called the recommendation. that's what it says here, the translation literally, we don't officer recommendation or instruction or an order, but the one i've got my hands on from someone who worked at him russian media outlets says it is essential to use tucker carlson as much as possible. i have to say, in the whole 12 page memo, and i have another one that's 12 pages from a different day, inventions tucker as well, there's no other western or american journalist mentioned. he's the only one. they say use him, because he is saying that the u.s. and nato, they're the ones who have unleashed this conflict. because he is blaming biden and nato for this, they want the russians -- they want to use him.
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we see it in some russian radio outlets. maybe even used them recently for this bogus allegation that they're bioweapon new labs in ukraine and that's what this is all about. because they were on tv talking about it. this is a standard disinformation tactic. you could use some of the other side making europe point, particular leave your point this ally. it's great. so they'd have just latched on to him and we saw him before the memo. the memo makes it official. they're getting their money's worth. if you saw it from the clips you played. >> there are lesser idiots involved as well. there are useful idiots. you've got that black lady that kanye west elevated for no good reason, saying you should really give you information from putin's speech. you've got to gather who's a member of the united states military, directly parroting the talking points -- you have the sort of parade of mad world that are parroting
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talking points from russia. it's shocking to hear it coming out of american mouths. is the kremlin writing this? what do you think of this all? >> you know the interesting thing about history is everyone's in a while you get to see it come back. when i was young you would hear about tokyo rose, the american collaborator who is making radio transmissions in japan -- lord hajji did the same thing for the nazis. in world war ii. i never thought that these people did not believe what they were saying. they always were very clear that they believed and nazism and in the imperial japan strategy. tucker carlson, candace owens, tulsi gabbard, i think somewhere along the line, they don't believe this, but they think that it's in their interest to say these things. for tucker carlson, it's pretty clear. anything that helps donald
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trump out, whether it means turning against the united states, collaborating with another country propaganda machine, so long as it gets in the adoration he will do it. i don't know if he really loves vladimir putin, but i have to clarify one thing, joy. these people are not useful idiots. they are beyond useful idiots. useful idiots don't know as a term of art in the intelligence world. i don't really know what they're doing. they're just stupid. these people are almost collaborators to a certain extent. they do know what they're doing. i would call them an asset, especially tucker carlson. and tulsi gabbard, she's just a moron. but for these people to come up there, we are now seeing a turn that i never thought i'd see my life. fifth columnist. people who are deliberately working to undermine the american structure. >> you know, david, pardon me,
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the differences tokyo rose, ultimately it was cleared, because she was trying to sort of make the people that she was doing the broadcast for believe that she didn't believe in the united states and that she was on the side of imperial japan. it turned out she was making her broadcast goofy in order to undermine it. in the case of tucker carlson, it seems like he's deliberately making it more and more and more overtly propagandistic -- is there anything in those memos that indicates giving to these people? is there something exchanging hands here -- >> it's nothing that exchange is hans. i thought about this to. tucker has his opinions. he is free to have them and share them. maybe they even line up with the opinions of vladimir putin and russian propaganda's, but i have to say this: if i was being cited in memos like this by our barbaric regime that is killing civilians, i would say hey, leave me out of it.
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i would say i may agree this is america's fault. i may agree that you have the right to do this, but that is my honest opinion, but i don't want to be brought in by you or disinformation propagandist tactics. so, he hasn't done that. in fact, he's done everything to make himself of tremendous use. even the other day, when victoria newlin, the secretary state official testified that there are by all abs in ukraine, not that they were bioweapon labs, he was out there saying see? the russian disinformation is right. so that's going over the line, because he's not reporting on the ground. he does not know what's true or not. he took her testimony and he warped it exactly in keeping with what the russians want to be set. so he has the right to say what he wants to say. i'll defend it, even if he's wrong. but if he's been used this way, you also have the obligation to say hey, i have part of that team. >> take it to the spy world for a moment, malcolm.
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what would russia do with such assets? because they've got them. >> well, i mean they're doing with they're doing, which is the amplification of this information that is now validated by a journalist, and i throw that in big quotes. >> you take them to court and they did say don't believe anything he says. that's numb. >> but we are literally in a cycle of soviet disinformation. from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, i just can't believe this is stuff i've read in history books about propaganda and disinformation warfare carried out by the soviet union. we are where every were never russian was a lie. these people are, first as we used to call them, useful idiots, but now they've bumped up to where they want to amplify russia's message. a need to damage the united states. i, to, defend tucker carlson's right to say anything stupid thing he wants, because he is a moron, but that does not give
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him the right to create a disinformation big bubble around the truth in order to magnify a potential enemy who is actually killing people, a dictatorship for him to do that. that's shameful. >> the turn against the west in favor of putin. unbelievable. david court, malcolm, thank you so much. all in with chris hayes starts next. all in with chris hayes starts next >> tonight on all in law. the russian resistance this televised on russian tv as clamped down on speech continuing in the public square. the attack on ukrainian cities intensifies tonight. the intense american appeals to prevent china from bailing russia out. what we know about when the russia is accomplishing its objectives t

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