this hour. "andrea mitchell reports" starts right now. ♪ good day. this is "andrea mitchell reports" in washington. long-range artillery attacks to makeup for their failure to take major cities. after a deadly wave of strikes, the mayor has ordered 35-hour blanket curfew starting in a few hours. >> in one sense this shows russia is expanding its attacks, hitting right into the center of kyiv. you can't get more downtown than this. it's also a sign of weakness because russia's frontlines have not been advancing. the troops and armored vehicles and the large convoy outside of kyiv are where they are and not been advancing for the last several days. instead, russia's relying on the

long-range weapons, artillery and rockets to carry out attacks like this that are generally untargeted, primarily hit civilians and part of a large russian campaign of atrition. >> the humanitarian crisis in mariupol is getting worse with red cross officials saying its city is being suffocated. civilians are running out of ways to feed their families. president biden is considering attending a nato meeting of world leaders, possibly next week, to show a united front against vladimir putin. secretary of defense, lloyd austin on his way to belgian part of his three-nation trip and today the prime ministers from slovenia and czech republic making the dangerous trip to kyiv to see president zelenskyy in person. moments ago, zelenskyy

addressing parliament by video, again pleading for nato to deliver jets and a no-fly zone. >> facilities have been bombed similarly as our buildings and places are being bombed. the number of families have died. every night is a horrible night. we want to live and we want to be victorious. we want to prevail for the sake of life. >> and the producer from moscow's state tv, who interrupted their broadcast with a protest against the war is in jail. she could face 15 years for her freedom of speech. richard engel is in kyiv again for us today. tell us about the situation today.

richard, there was more shelling overnight. >> reporter: there was more shelling over mite and the shelling is now right in the center of kyiv. i would say it is not an intense bombardment. not that the city is under constant fire. russia still has the capability, presumably, to do more than it is right mow. what we've seen primarily in the nighttime hours and during the day as well, is russia bombs the out skirts of the city and then odd missile strike or rocket strike or artillery strike will come into the city limits. and that's what we saw overnight, what you're showing pictures of right now when the subway station was hit. russia's ambition -- declared ambition of surrounding the city, of demanding that there's a change of government, of bringing this country and this capitol to its knees, have not happened.

instead, the russian troops are still held back between 8 and 15 miles in some places from the city limits. and to avoid and to protect the civilian population from those long-range missiles that occasionally will come down here, the mayor has ordered this curfew, which is starting a few hours from now and lasts a day and a half to effectively reassess the situation. there's no indication that i'm aware of, of why a day and a half was chosen. why 35 hours. i think it was so it would not leave people stranded in their homes without supplies. after what happened last night with several attacks right in downtown, the decision was taken by city planners to get people off the streets for a while. >> do you have the intention,

rather the understanding that forces are moving closer on kyiv? is the noose tightening, as it were? >> reporter: the noose isn't really tightening. there's still ability to get in and out of the city. there's still the ability to bring in supplies. you can get in a car right now and drive out of kyiv and go to the border or come back the other direction. so, there's not been a significant change in the blockade of the city. most of the russian forces are to the east or to the north. and they do not seem to be getting any closer. instead they're launching what are effectively harassment attacks. firing on buildings, firing on commercial centers andicationally -- occasionally they will hit and kill people. two were killed in a hit on apartment buildings in kyiv. two were killed yesterday, including one in an apartment

building we visited. they are lethal attacks but it is not aleppo. not what russia has done to other cities or even to kharkiv or what it has done to mariupol. local officials in mariupol say thousands have died. and there was a bit of a reprieve, even though they truly eare cut off and the noose has tightened around them. 2,000 cars, according to local officials, were able to get out of the city and allow some civilians to flee. but in a city of 400,000, 2,000 cars is a welcome reprieve but it is not going to fundamentally change the dynamic in the city. >> when we know the three leaders from slovenia, poland and the czech republic are coming to see president zelenskyy today. it's remarkable they would come

for this very high-profile meeting. >> reporter: it is and generally world leaders, especially of that level, don't come into active war zones, cities about to impose blanket curfews because artillery and rockets are flying into the center of the city. but it shows how seriously they take this, how seriously they want to show their support for the ukrainian government and president zelenskyy purse that he will. don't forget, there are negotiations taking place. today was the second round of peace talks between the ukrainians and russian delegation. now, we're not getting a lot of detail about what's happening inside the talks that are happening virtually. but both sides are expressing some glimmers of hope. so, potentially, with the arrival of now nato countries into the capitol, which is

heading to lockdown and you have negotiations continuing, there is a possibility for an off ramp but in this conflict,and reau, all of us here, journalists, intellectuals i'm speaking to. it's hard to predict where this is going because the military calculus may not matter. it all depends on the calculations of one, vladimir putin. what is he being told? how much is he willing to risk? does he know his forces are taking heavy losses and on the out skirts of kyiv? is he willing to risk it all? president zelensky in another address and he gives many addresses every day to keep people encouraged and show the government is connected to the population. said time is in ukraine's favor. that every day, yes, ukrainians are taking punishment, suffering casualties but he said each day

the russian empire is taking one stef step closer to collapse. we'll see if that plays out. >> richard engel, thank you so much. please try to stay safe. and joining us now. retired admiral, former director of the national security agency and u.s. cyber command, who's a spokesperson on election integrity. former ambassador to russia and former press secretary for president zelenskyy. first, what is your reaction to increase in shelling? i haven't spoken to you since artillery fire against western -- against the military base in western ukraine. >> i think clearly putin is rying to send a broader message. moving more kinetic activity a in the west is designed to stop the flow of materials into

ukraine to support the ukrainian government and i think he's trying to signal nato in the west you aren't beyond my reach. be mindful of that. none of that, in many ways, makes it difficult to overcome the fact they're way behind on the battle field and as president zelenskyy highlighted every day we continue, the russians are not going to achieve their goal. you wonder if putin is going to feel the pressure to ramp up even further. >> and with putin so unpredictable in a way, because he's not following military doctrine, let's talk about the brave protester on russian-state tv, probably seen by more than 100 million people, would suspect. they're legal under the law that

was passed 15 year jail term for people who protest or call it a war. we're seeing now what the russians continue to do to alexi a. so, what could happen to her? she's reportedly in court today? >> i applaud her. she's a hero. that was a very brave thing for her to do. maybe spending 15 years in jail and by the way, i know that building, that television station. i used to appear there before i was banned as ambassador. you don't do that without the passive support of others to allow you to get on that stage where you said millions and millions of russians saw it. if she's brave enough to do that, that means millions of other russians have the same preferences, they just don't want to spend 15 years in jail. doesn't mean that's going to change the war. i don't see how protests will influence putin in the short term but i think it's a sign

this war is not popular, especially in the capitols, especially among middle class people. i don't know of a single person who genuinely supports the war in the cities. siberia watching channel one and thinking this is denazification, yes, but not the elites in moscow. >> and there's new reporting that the woman was found -- i think fined 30,000 rubles after finding her guilty when she interrupted the live broadcast. that came from reuters. she was a channel one employee. this is a fine. doesn't say anything about jail. >> that's good news and by the way, as she said in her video one of her parents is ukrainian, one is russian and i think that's very important for americans to understand. there are lots of families like that in ukraine, in russia where there are are mixed family ties

and that's why it's so hard for putin to explain why he's killing innocent civilians in downtown kyiv. it doesn't make sense to lot of people in russia. >> and the eu is indicating the meeting may happen next week, in which case the president will probably go. we reported carol lee and the white house team reported that yesterday he might go. if he goes, doesn't he have to have an answer if he's in europe -- does he have to have an answer to president zelenskyy's appeals to the ukrainian parliament to close the skies for a no-fly zone or for the jets? >> which michael is that to? >> i'm sorry. two michaels. michael rodgers, you're admiral. so, let me ask you, ambassador

mcfall. >> yes. i think he does need answer that question. and i applaud the president for saying we're not going to enforce a no-fly zone. that means american pilot has to shoot down a russian pilot. that's a declaration of war and i understand why the president has taken the position. i support it. but anything below that, we should be doing. president zelenskyy, i talked to myself just several days ago. makes a very forceful case to give them the weapons to defend themselves and not just the mig 29s but the surface-to-air missiles that many nato allies have, including russian-made s 300s. some of the countries coming to kyiv have those weapons. i think it's incumbent upon the nato alliance collectively to quietly provide them.

i think the mistake over the migs last week is we didn't do it collectively and did it publicly. i would say collectively meet, make decisions and quietly help president zelenskyy and his armed forces stop the russian forces. because there will be no negotiated settlement until a stalemate on the battle field and right now there is not. that's why zelenskyy needs more weapons. >> and zelenskyy is obviously out performing anybody's expectations. you also have family back in khirson. >> thank you for the question. i'm talking to them every day and the situation is getting worse and worse. so, they're really on the verge of humanitarian crisis. my father needs to wake at 6:00 a.m. and stand in huge lines

just to get water. of course, in the villages, the shells. i feel heartbroken when i can't send money because they don't have atms to have a cash and they can't pay with a card and don't have what to buy. the worst is that they do not know when or where to expect the shelling. the regional administrator said the russians were moving and there was shelling and my aunt wrote that she's heard shelling in the near village, where my granny's house is and another house of my granny is damaged. you're standing here and you cannot do anything to help them survive. russians absolutely occupied and do not let anyone get out or bring humanitarian aid in.

there are huge trucks prepared to bring in the city to help but they do not let this in. they do not give up. so, a lot of protests all over the region and they try to show that they're ukrainians. this is what ukrainians, who do not have weapons, can do. they go against people with guns and russians even start shooting up. but people have ukrainian flags and stand all the time. i'm very proud for my native town, native region and home town. i know 400 people have been seized and we know russians try to prepare pseudo referendum, as they z done in many other regions. this means putin can put 80 to 90% of support for a people's republic.

i wonder why he's so modest as he can put 150% there. it will not make -- represent any kind of a people support but this is what he does to undermine the independent countries and especially such independent country as ukraine, which is actually the territory of freedom. so, people suffer here in many regions and we're very grateful for all the united world for any support we get and ukraine is defending and we will be defending until the very end. i promise you that. >> and admiral rodgers, what more can the u.s. do to try to counteract the russian propaganda and disinformation? >> i would argue that's been a strength so far for america. both the aggressive use of intelligence, multiple platforms to disseminate information and

the fact it's playing out as a larger coalition. in this case, america's speaking. the aggressive use of information and intelligence is a way to say here's how the parties are thinking. you saw that play out in the russia-china dynamic. i think to ambassador mcfall's point this idea about how perhappens we might be less visible as a way to increase probability of getting weapons and supplies in. i think that's something we'll look at in the coming days and weeks. >> ambassador, the two michaels and we're wishing the best of safety to your family and all your connections, your grannies and everyone back home. thank you. and the war crime allegations, horrifying scenes as they continue their brutal siege on

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vladimir putin's brutal assault on ukraine and indiscriminate attacks on civilians. hundreds of civilians have died since the war began. many in cities undersiege, like mariupol, where the red cross described it as apocalyptic. the biden administration has yet to declare those attacks war crimes. we looked at the allegations, the evidence. what is holding the white house back. a warning some of the images are pretty graphic. an air raid killing at tlooes 47 people and a preschool hit with illegal cluster bombs. ukrainian civilians, including

children, increasingly becoming the target of putin's forces. and allegations of war crimes are growing louder. with president zelenskyy warning russia's leaders. you will definitely be prosecuted for complicity in war crimes. the true toll sure to be high prp even those trying to flee finding death on the road to safety. witnesses saying russian forces are targeting civilians escaping through humanitarian corridors, including this deadly incident outside kyiv. under siege, civilians are trapped in mariupol, where russia shelled a maternity hospital, killing three people, including a young girl. and now this pregnant woman and her unborn child have died. >> there is 350,000 people in

mousetrap. >> russia has denied committing war crimes, instead claiming ukraine is staging attacks and killing its own people, despite all evidence to the contrary. under decades of international law, war crimes are defined as intentionally directing attacks at civilian populations or indiscriminately attacking civilians or civilian objects like hospitals, schools and power plants. the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. acknowledging bluntly what the world can see. >> they constitute war crimes, there are attacks on civilians that cannot be justified by any -- in any way whatsoever. >> the international criminal court has opened an investigation. responding to requests from 39 countries, including france and the uk for crimes against the

humanity and acts of genocide. >> what we've seen already from vladimir putin's regime, in my view, already fully qualifies as a war crime. >> the international criminal court and u.n. security council can take a against war criminals, but it's up to individual countries to enforce convictions. and russia, like the u.s., does not recognize their authority and can veto any u.n. security council action. and the biden administration want to preserve the chance of negotiating for an end to the war. and joining me is the diplomatic correspondent for the "the new york times." let's talk about the whole issue of war crimes and why the administration is reluctant to call putin a war criminal. it would categorize him and some

argue make it harder to get him to talks. >> the biden administration is looking for ways to get putin to enter serious negotiations and end the conflict nonmilitarily. now, would it actually make big difference? there may be intelligence about how he would act. you have to wonder a little bit. victoria newland referred to the invasion in ukraine in testimony last week as evil. we put massive crushing sanctions on russia, essentially ostracizing putin and his country from the western world. it's also possible the administration, perhaps to his credit, wants to have specific

evidence they can present with names, dates, figures and say this is the crime, this is the crime. but they want that specificity. that could be another factor. >> and among the civilians being targeted indiscriminately, arguably, are journalists. most recently ben hall of fox news, our colleague at the state department who's been there and now a fox cameraman who was with him, pierre was killed, we understand, from the same attack. he was heroic and legendary cameraman. kimmed outside kyiv. he was a war zone photographer wub cording to fox news who covered every storophy from iraq to syria. and epic covering the war and

doing it fairly, these conflicts. and last year he played a key role in getting the associates and their families out of afghanistan. this is a heartbreaking floss him, his colleagues. we worry about ben, who was hospitalized. we don't know what his condition is. >> it's hard to see ben's face. i've travelled abroad with ben several times. a great colleague. a charming, fun, friendly guy who's also a tough journalist. he asks some of the best questions. pretty fearless in his questioning. i remember being next to you in geneva. i don't remember exactly what the was but i know ben asked him a tough question. i'm so distressed thinking about

his family and hoping he recovers. ben and pierre and others have been in war zones and survived. and this happens to them in a russian war zone. it should tell you something about the russian way of war that is quite disgraceful and disgusting. >> the way of war, which is attacking areas near nuclear plants. kindergartens, hospitals. >> seemingly indiscriminate and not caring and maybe even willfully targeting innocents and noncombatants. >> it seems to try to break the will of a very proud people. thank you. and that's not going to happen, clearly. >> thank you. >> thanks. and we have a nuclear update as russian forces take control

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categories. said it's one thing when you have a loss of power to nuclear sites and you have a few days to figure out how much fuel do we have with the back-up generators and to get the electrical lines back online to sufficiently cool the spent nuclear material. he said the thing that keeps him up at might is the possibility of a direct kinetic hit that would effect nuclear facilities in ukraine, especially the active nuclear power plants. he says if that were to happen, it would really be uncharted territory. here's a bit of what he said in the interview. >> they can withstand an airplane falling on to them. so, the possibility that a direct attack could reach the core of the reactor is quite remote.

it's a problem with pipe that explodes. it's a problem with something that may happen, perhaps not can it liberately but as a collateral consequence of a fire exchange or something like that. and there we would face a more complicated scenario. >> if there was a massive incident, he tells us there's the possibility that radiation could spill over into neighboring countries. but the real issue is they don't have a great sense of what's happening on the ground in ukraine right mow. the radiation centers they have, for example, at chernobyl, they're no longer transmitting data back to vienna. that's why he says it's urgent they get their own technical experts on the ground in ukraine, not only to be able to figure out who's telling the truth when ukraine says russia

is deliberately targeting sites and also so the international community can respond immediately if there is an incident and prevent what could be a real catastrophe. >> indeed. hank you so fluch the important update from vienna. and 3 million and counting. 3 million people have fled the war in ukraine, prompting an international humanitarian disaster. and back inside ukraine, the director of the international red cross saying they're seeing the humanitarian situation on the ground deteriorating rapidly, especially in mariupol. >> the intensity of the fighting, the level of fear of despair when the fact that there is -- people are running out of water, electricity, gas for heating, access to medical services.

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3 million refugees have fled the war in ukraine. of that number a million and a half are children. on average 75,000 kids leaving their homes behind every day. the mayor of warsaw addressed the sheer magnitude on "morning joe." >> remember the mediterranean crisis 2015 at a peek, we have 300,000 refugees in europe and we just had 300,000 in a matter of two weeks. the magnitude of the problem. >> joining us is jay gray near the poland where refugees are arriving. we just heard the mayor.

people coming over. none of that is available. we're on the walking path from ukraine into poland. the actual border is about 150, two yoourds away. if you asked me how is it going to be today? i would say not as bad as the last three weeks. but the crowds have just continued to grow as they seem to every day. they walk through. they have clothes, food, water. there's toiletries, medical tents if somebody needs assistance and they move to a bus that will take them to a train station and at that point, hopefully to somewhere they can stay more permanently. we've heard from the mayors of both warsaw, the capitol and the second largest city.

you can understand most of the families have left someone behind to fight, a son, husband, brother. they don't want to get too far away. they feel they can communicate better from here and like they get better information. there's simply no more room and they're doing what they can to place people further out. and that's going to be a struggle because it's going to be a tug of war and we know we heard from the u.n. that what you see here, the massive crowds, are really not the peek of what's going to happen here. we're maybe seeing the end of the first wave but in the next several weeks, we expect to see millions making this journey. >> jay gray, thank you so much. people really overwhelmed in poland. and right now a look at some of the other top stories. the museum of modern art reopening after the suspect in the stabbing of two employees was arrested at a philadelphia bus station.

and in washington, a suspect who may be tied to the deadly attacks on people experiencing homelessness in new york and d.c. is in custody. metropolitan police confirming the suspect is being interviewed by the homicide branch. the mayor and police chief will speak about that later this afternoon. and china has the worst outbreak since the start of the pandemic. largely due the spread of the more infectious omicron variant. we're joined by a u.s. navy veteran among veterans answering the call to ukraine. and ukrainian people continue to step up to defend their country, like these volunteers filling and moving 400,000 sand bags to bolster the city's defenses. some occasionally bursting into song. ♪

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as the world watches in horror what's happening in ukraine, some have stepped up. joining me is lane perkins, former u.s. navy person who traveled to ukraine to help. thanks for joining us. tell me, what was your motivation? why did you do it? >> so, for me, i personally kind of, because of the warnings that we were getting from the united

states government, i had plenty of advance notice that this was going to be happening, and it feels just something that i felt like i should come and do. so even before the videos and the pictures of all the refugees fleeing, it's something that i had pretty much set myself to do, to come out here and help. and, you know, having come here and seen that stuff in person, i've been sort of indirectly helping move refugees around for right now. and it's something that really is, like, touching, and it really, you know, like -- it's hard to describe for me. so that's pretty much the motivations i've had prior to and since being here. >> obviously it's dangerous because the artillery fire, we can see how the attacks are unpredictable, and now even in western ukraine over the weekend, so do you have family at home? what are your own concerns about

your safety? >> about 20, 30 minutes ago the air alarm went off here. but so far in western ukraine they haven't been striking any sort of civilian areas from as far as i know. they've mostly been going or the military targets, which i have been on military bases but for right now i'm not. so i feel honestly very safe. most of the people out here, i would say, probably feel the same. it feels very normal on the streets here. >> and how does this compare to other experiences you each had in your military service in terms of the people and what your needs are and in terms of what you can contribute? >> most of my time in the navy i was on a ship so i didn't have a massive interaction with foreign population or anything, but what

you can feel here is very strong sense of unity amongst the people in the country. there's propaganda posters all over the walls against the russians, everywhere you go. if you turn on the radio, we were listening to -- we were driving somebody out of the country yesterday who needed to go back to poland, and -- or the day before, and every other song, it would be like an american pop song and then, like, a very patriotic ukrainian song. and there's flags everywhere directly in front of me, an historic statue that they've kind of started walling off with like wood but everybody's just kind of coming together and doing their part, i feel like, in this country to really make a difference right now. >> thank you so much. we showed a picture of you

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