leader of the nation, of your great nation. i wish you to be the leader of the world. being the leader of the world means to be the leader of peace.

>> reporter: and in the next hour, president biden is expected to announce an additional $800 million in new military assistance to ukraine, as the president prepares to meet with nato leaders in brussels next week. joining us this morning, senator ben cardin, from maryland. he serves on the senate foreign relations committee, and is the chair of the commission on security and cooperation in europe. senator, thank you for being with us. you were just in that room. your reaction to president zelenskyy's remarks. >> well, it was a powerful message from a leader that has shown such courage and really has motivated the global community. his message was clear. we need staying power to isolate russia, mr. putin, and we need to increase the cost by increasing the sanctions. and we need to provide ukraine with the lethal defense weapons it needs in order to protect its skies. it was a clear message. i think that it was extremely well received by the members of congress on both sides of the

aisle. just as importantly, i think by the american people in the global community. >> senator, you've said that you want those polish fighter jets in ukraine yesterday. president zelenskyy is asking for more military support for those airplanes, for a no-fly zone. how do you think that we could or should be doing things differently? >> well, i expect we'll hear from president biden on the subject. what we need to do is make sure that ukraine has the equipment it needs in order to defend itself, particularly the skies. and that could well be anti-aircraft missiles, it could well be aircraft. what they need and can use, we need to supply. and i think that support is very clear in congress. and i expect the president to address that today. >> reporter: senator, do you think the u.s. is being too cautious in how it is supporting the people of ukraine? it seems as though, in the u.s. and throughout western europe, there is a fear of upsetting

putin too much, that he may react in some way that maybe he wasn't expecting to. >> well, i think president biden has exercised global leadership. he has not only led by example the imposition of sanctions and the supply of defensive weapons and humanitarian aid, but he's been able to get not only our traditional allies, but the global community united in isolating mr. putin and joining us with the sanctions and supplying the necessary equipment and humanitarian needs. so i give the president very high marks on his leadership. obviously, the ukrainian people are sacrificing or making the tremendous sacrifices to defend freedom not only for their own country, but for europe and the world. we need to continue to do more, as mr. zelenskyy said. increase the sanctions, make sure that the defensive weapons are provided. provide the leadership, globally, with the staying

power, to make it clear to mr. putin that the only way that he's going to get any relief is by removing his troops from ukraine. >> what do you think, senator, would be the reaction if the world got together and established no-fly zones over some areas of ukraine? the entire world, i mean, i'm thinking the united nations, it hasn't really been the leader of this in any way. what would be the problem, do you think, with having that? >> well, clearly, we need to join with our allies and our friends around the world to make it clear to mr. putin that we will protect those who are trying to leave ukraine for safety. that these corridors that have been bombed by the russian military is just unacceptable. but we've got to be very careful about direct military confrontation, between the

united states and russia, because that could very well accelerate and lead to more tragedies than we're currently seeing. so i think it's a delicate balance. but clearly, we need to be engaged in providing the leadership, so that we can prevent the loss of lives, that we can protect refugees that are fleeing ukraine, that we can get the supply routes into the ukraine. all of that's critically important. but i think we've got to be very careful about escalating the situation with a direct military conflict between nato, the united states, and russia. >> yeah, i mean, that's why international organizations that are, you know, post-1948, the united nations, could maybe get involved, but that's something that hasn't happened. senator ben cardin, it's always a pleasure to see you, sir. thank you so much for your time. >> good to be with you. thank you. >> joining us now from washington, nbc news capitol hill correspondent, leigh ann caldwell, and live from lviv, nbc news national correspondent,

gabe gutierrez. also with us, nbc news white house correspondent, mike memoli. thank you for being with us. leigh ann, you were in the room as zelenskyy spoke. how did lawmakers react to that speech? >> reporter: hi, jose. i was in the room, and it was a very emotional and powerful moment for those lawmakers, especially when that video played. it was about three minutes long. you could not hear a person breathing. that really got lawmakers' attention. and the fact that zelenskyy spoke in english at the end of that video or at the end of his speech, after the video played, was another poignant moment. and those are two of the things that the lawmakers said really spoke to them. it wasn't hard to get lawmakers on zelenskyy's side. they have already been there. but to be able to hear from him in a very powerful way went a long way. and one other note, there's one ukrainian american member of congress, representative victoria sparts of indian. she's a republican, and she stood in the back of the room

the entire time. she did not take a seat and she was extremely emotional, especially when that video played. so it was a moment for zelenskyy to try to turn the tide here on congress and get more of what he wants, especially on some of the things that the administration has been resisting. and we'll have to see if that works. jose? >> yeah, gabe, meanwhile, let's go over to ukraine. how are people in lviv where you are coping with these relentless attacks on civilians throughout the country? >> reporter: hi, there, jose. good morning, well, if you want to know the resiliency and the strength of the ukrainian people, look no further. we are here at a makeshift shelter. it is actually above the lviv train station. and this is the place where there are hundreds of refugees, cycling through here. they have seen thousands over the last several days. and this room actually is where the youngest children, up to 5 years old, come here with their families. and if we walk over here, we just spoke with several of these

families over here, if you can take a look, this young girl, just 3 years old, she is sleeping right now. her mother, i just saw her put a blanket over here and she is sleeping. a mother taking care of her as only a mother could. they just came from eastern ukraine. near that power plant that's under russian control. this family and several other women here, they left their husbands behind and brought their children here to lviv, where it's safer. they just don't know where to go next. excuse me. sorry. excuse me. so, jose, this is something that we've been, you know, seeing here throughout the day. and my colleague is with me. i'll have him walk ahead of me so you can get a sense of this room. it really is incredible to watch what we've seen here throughout the morning. this room has a huge echo in it. and with all of these younger children, you can really -- the thing you notice here, standing here is when a baby cries, it just resonates around the room. there is so much trauma here. it is run by volunteers. we spoke with two of the medical

professionals that are helping to run it. one of them is a psychologist, jose, who is actually a refugee himself. he had to leave kyiv and is now helping the other refugees here. unicef says that more than 3 million refugees have fled ukraine. about a million and a half of them are children, jose. and there really seems to be no end in sight. in looking around this room right now, this isn't even the busiest it is throughout the day. that comes later, as more women and children spend the night here, some of them will spend several hours, some of them will spend several days. many of them dmoent where they're going, but they know they need help. and we spoke with a grandmother here just a short time ago, she was begging the u.s., begging nato for any possible help wlb that be a no-fly zone or more supplies, they just need help and it was incredible to witness firsthand. >> gabe, as you were saying,

some folks will stay just hours, others a couple of days. but the vast majority, gabe, are clearly not knowing what the future holds for them. but are they tending to go towards poland, to leave the country altogether? >> reporter: well, it depends on who you ask. the women that i just mentioned, they plan to stay here in lviv for the time being, because they left other family members and husbands back in their hometowns. many others are hopping on trains or buses to poland. they actually came to ukraine through hungary, and that country seeing a growing number of refugees going through hungary. but some of these refugees are going further, to other parts of europe, italy, the czech republic, the netherlands, belgium. it really is remarkable. now, how this is extending, not just the poland, not just to hungary, but really around the

entire eu, and other nato countries, and there really seems to be no end in sight. the uncertainty here, that is, perhaps, the most crushing. we spoke with another refugee who actually, sadly, she tried to give money to someone who was trying to get her out of this country. she says she was scammed out of the money. now she has virtually no money. she had her two pets with her. she's looking for family members. we spoke with another man who actually hasn't heard from his wife and four children. they ended up being separated. because he lives in a kyiv suburb. he was separated from his wife and four children. he has not been able to speak to them, he says, for the better part of a week. jose, can you imagine that? not seeing your family or hearing from them for a week. he believes that they have ended up somewhere in poland, but he hasn't been able to communicate with them. absolutely devastating, everywhere you look here, jose. >> and to think they are being victimized and revictimized,

over and over again by unscrupulous people and organizations, that are exploit ing them in such difficult and dire situations. gabe gutierrez, thank you. president biden speaks next hour, does zelenskyy's speech change what he expected to say today? >> reporter: jose, so much of the conversation over the last several weeks is about what more the united states could be doing to support ukraine. and no one has made the case more powerfully, as we just saw, than president zelenskyy himself. what president biden is going to try to do today is present in a comprehensive way, just how much the u.s. has already done. not just over these last few weeks, but over the last few years, to support ukraine's efforts to defend itself. the president, as a white house official just reminded me, is going to tell the country that the u.s. is the largest single donor of humanitarian and military assistance. he just signed into law yesterday another $14 billion in

humanitarian and defensive aid for ukraine. and part of what he's going to be doing today is spelling out what an initial tranche of another $800 million will do, providing more anti-air and defensive systems, to ukraine. but a what's interesting, as we heard from zelenskyy over the last few weeks, his biggest ask has been a no-fly zone. president biden has responded to some of the pressure on things like different forms of sanctions, the oil embargo, to eventually come around and support that, in large part because as white house officials have been careful to say, he wanted to bring european allies along when the united states did anything. but president biden has been crystal clear and has shown little sign of budging on this question of a no-fly zone. that's a question that will continue to be asked. some of the additional asks will also be discussed right now today in brussels. defense secretary lloyd austin is there meeting with his nato counterparts, talking about ways to fortify the eastern front of nato, bordering ukraine,

bordering russia. and part of those discussions will inform what president biden is able to do when he travels to brussels to meet with the other heads of government, as well. and that's where there might be additional steps that could be taken, as well. >> mike memoli, gabe gutierrez, and leigh ann caldwell, thank you so much for being with us this morning. coming up, more reaction from capitol hill on zelenskyy's historic speech. congressman adam schiff joins us next. congressman, it's great to see you. we'll chat in just a minute. >> he's my best friend in the world. and i'm here in ukraine, despite everything going on, because of that friendship. >> an american rushes to ukraine to try to convince his ukrainian best friend to try to get his family out of the country. the gut-wrenching decision, coming up. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." up. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports. our commitment to you is clear. save money. live better. offer everyday low prices, fresh groceries delivered to your door and prescriptions as low as $4. so you can live a little better each day.

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zelenskyy spoke passionately to congress about more aid to the u.s. he also touted the heroism of ukrainians defending more than just their country. >> today, the ukrainian people are defending not only ukraine, we are fighting for the values of europe and the world, in the name of the future. that's why today, the american people are helping not just ukraine, but europe and the world to keep the planet alive, to keep justice in history. >> president zelenskyy played a video during his speech, a warning to our viewers. some of it is disturbing and at times graphic. it showed the horrific destruction and loss of life caused by war across ukraine. joining us, congressman adam schiff of california. he is chairman of the house intelligence committee. congressman, it's great to see you this morning. i liked your reaction to the speech. >> well, i think all of us were

so impressed with the president zelenskyy, but also horrified by those images. it was just devastating to see these beautiful cities being destroyed. so many innocent civilian lives being lost. to me, the image of a father holding the hand of their child who's under a sheet at the hospital, deceased, was just devastating. so i think it can't help but have an impact on an already deeply sympathetic congress. >> and you know, the issue that zelenskyy has been bringing up almost from day one, right, some kind of a no-fly zone. is that something that you think, the united states could get behind, some time? >> well, i think it's still very difficult, jose, for the reason that we would need to bomb russian air defense systems within russia. we would be in a shooting war with russian pilots, and that would profoundly risk,

essentially, a war between the united states and russia. but there's a lot, i think that we can do to help ukraine shoot down those russian aircraft, bring down those missiles, and i think the president is going to be announcing later today some of those efforts to supply ukraine with stronger, more capable, as well as more numbers of these air defense systems. that may be among the most important help that we can give, as well as more javelins to take out russian tanks, more ammunition and other supplies. so we've done a lot already. we're going to do a lot more. but i still think, at this point, a no-fly zone would put us at too much of a risk of the united states being in direct war with russia. >> congressman, what'd you think of zelenskyy's call for creating a new alliance of countries that can stop conflicts immediately? >> well, i think he's right about the fact that the international rules-based orders really failed to keep the peace. if one nation in europe can

essentially invade and bully its neighbor in the way that russia is doing with ukraine and the world is powerless to stop it, then the system we set up hasn't worked. so i think he's right about that. what new architecture would be more successful, i don't know, but as i was listening to him speak, i was thinking about whether we can form a broader global line of economies that would agree essentially to wall off the world economy, in even broader terms, any nation that would invade its neighbor. >> you know, i was reading last night the charter of the united nations, 1945, the 24th of october charter. and it says, the united nations may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be to maintain or restore international peace and security. and yet, congressman, it seems like there really isn't any action that the world can take to stop a unilateral invasion

like that. the u.s. has put a lot of sanctions on russia. their economy is crumbling. it hasn't changed putin very much. >> we have to make sure, ultimately, jose, that it does. that russia and putin are unsuccessful. that this is a colossal failure. if we can do that, i think it will be a deep discouragement to other nations that are contemplaing their own aggression against their neighbors. there is a lot right on this, as president zelenskyy said so eloquently today. it's not the freedom of ukrainian people alone, but people all over the world. and will have a deep impact on us here at home. so i do think he's right, that their fight is our fight. and we need to continue to rally the rest of the world, as we have been to resist this russian aggression. >> congressman, i'm just wondering, how do you think this ends? you know, it's such a question that, you know, i think nobody has an answer to. maybe the closest could be putin, but maybe he doesn't even have an answer to this right

now, but how do you think this ends? >> this is a question i've been asking since even before the invasion began, which is, what's putin's end game here? how does this come to an end? i think the problem is that putin's war plan was based on either a lie or a miscalculation that the ukrainian people were going to somehow welcome them with open arms and not resist. and that the rest of the world wasn't going to come together and really punish russia the way we have with sanctions. but i think, you know, this has caused putin to double down. what will get him to head to the exits, ultimately, i think only when we could bring about so much pressure on the russian economy, and on russia militarily in ukraine, that putin begins to fear for the longevity of his regime. i think nothing less than that is going to get him to back down, unless he thinks that his own hold on power is slipping. >> yeah, or his own hold on his

own life. i mean, that's really a question that, you know, if you look back at history, it seems as though he's put himself in a very difficult situation to get out of, right? >> that's exactly right. and this is, you know, the terrible tragedy that you could see happening, which is as ukraine was resisting and so courageously, and as the consequences went up and up and up for the russian people, economically, putin would merely dig in and this is what he's done, to the point where he's left himself practically no way out. i think as a practical matter, the only way to shorten the length of this terrible conflict is by continuing to raise the costs on russia until they can bear those costs no longer. and tragically, that doesn't help the ukrainian people much in the near-term, but i think that's the only path out of this. >> congressman adam schiff, it's always a pleasure to see you. i thank you very much for being with us this morning. >> thank you. still ahead, we're going to

talk to a ukrainian journalist still in kyiv, who argues world war iii may have already begun. we'll get her to explain, next. but first, the mayor of kyiv, a former champion boxer with this old response to the russian invasion. >> reporter: putin says he's only targeting military targets. >> bull [ bleep ]! sorry. where is military target? is this building military target? y target is this building military target

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arrived? >> i meant that the thing is, if war does not come to your land, does not mean that it's not going on anywhere else. just like i used to watch the horrible, horrible war in syria and thinking, it's not my war. or, like, the war in georgia win also thought, it's not my war. and i did not think about it at all, mostly. but then war came to my land, and it's another feel, the reality has drastically changed. and here in ukraine, we feel like the world war iii already started. the thing is, i think mr. adam schiff who was before me, he said, all the west can do is to keep sanctioning russia and keep

providing weapons to ukraine. yes, it doesn't help ukrainian people now, but in, it's all we can do, he said. i think that this is like the same as nato is protecting itself with a shield, and everyone else on the other side of the shield is not nato's problem. and i think it is wrong, because if putin gets away with it, what he did to ukraine, other dictators will follow. you will see a great division of europe, of other countries, again. this is why i think that world war iii that has already started. >> you know, and i'm wondering. you know, i understand, you know, members of congress can see this and say, well, we can help this. but they're thinking of the greater geopolitical, geomilitary realities. but the fact is that when the war comes to you, as you say, veronica, you know, it changes

things. and i'm just wondering, you know, what values on human life are those that must be completely respected and some that, well, you guys are behind the wall and you don't qualify, you know? >> mm-hmm. i would say that -- in american movies, for example, that we watched here in ukraine, loved them very much, it's always the same thing. friendship is going to win. if you have friends, you're going to win. evil will be punished. however, when things come to reality, it's not like that. it's people in nato who are protected, who managed to get into nato on time, and now they are really protected by the

alliance, by the article v. and there are others that are not that important, because are not in nato, and it might be our fault, too, because ukraine is a corrupt country, and used to be a corrupt country, however, we are trying to fight the corruption. however, i know that other countries also have corruption, but they got into this elite club that is now protected and doesn't want to provoke russia in in any way. and i think if this elite club doesn't want to provoke russia in any way, what will happen if russia attacks lithuania next or poland next? will they also be thinking for a month or like, at least three weeks before they do anything that might actually provoke

russia? >> veronica, very quickly, when we spoke recently, i asked about your lovely grandmother. how is she. how are y'all doing? >> very emotional. we had a fight recently, because she was asking us to leave and leave her behind and then she felt sick because there is like a shortage of medicine she needs, but now she's okay. she's at home, because we have 48-hour curfew right now, as our authorities have told us that the very dangerous approach to the city. that's all we know for now, but

my granny is a strong woman. she was born in the year when the world war ii and so she says that the older you are, the easier it is to bear what's happening now in ukraine. >> veronica, thank you for being with us. let's keep in touch and please say hello to your grandmother for us. coming up, we're following breaking news out of texas, where there are multiple fatalities after a horrific van crash involving a college golf team. what happened, next. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." u're watch diaz-balart reports. does daily stress leave you feeling out of sync? new dove men stress-relief body wash... with a plant-based adaptogen, helps alleviate stress on skin. so you can get back in sync. new dove men. a restorative shower for body and mind. i'm so glad we could all take this trip together, son yeah. and kayak made getting here so easy- ♪ ♪ here we go.

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time switches and stick to daylight savings permanently. lawmakers cited health risks and damage to retailers to change the changes. the legislation would have to go through the house and the president would have to sign it to become law. later today, the federal reserve is expected to raise interest rates in a move it hopes will counter skyrocketing inflation. joining us now is tom costello. how much of an increase will we be seeing here? >> reporter: we're expecting a quarter-appoint rate hike today, but this will be the first of many rate hikes, we believe. this year and into next. in fact, we may have as many as six or so this year. that means by the end of the year and maybe even by the end of next year, we're talking of a total of 2% rate hike, series of rate hikes, adding up to 2%. and the whole purpose of this is to try to throw cold water on this just out of control inflation. you know, it's running at nearly 8% right now. if you had gone shopping for anything, food, cars, clothing, et cetera, you know all of that.

now, you may look at those numbers right there and say, what the heck? you've got the dow up, the s&p is up, the nasdaq is up. why is that? well, in part because there is widespread belief that the fed needs to act, but also, strangely, oil prices are coming down today. and you may think, why are oil prices coming down? the war in ukraine ongoing? ah, yes, but in fact, there are some chinese cities right now under lockdown because of covid. that, therefore, decreases the demand for oil and gas. that's a big factor. also, market rumors of a possible deal to put venezuelan oil on the market, to put iranian oil on the market and even rumors that saudi arabia may start shipping more. so all of that, as you know, jose, the market often moves on rumors as opposed to hard facts. all of that has driven oil prices down dramatically. you're probably not yet seeing that at your local gas station. hopefully that will translate into lower gas prices over the

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wrenching decision to leave or to stay. by the time we meet them in lviv, they've already made the 350-mile journey from their home in kyiv, reluctantly. >> finally, i said, hey, anton, you need to get out of ukraine. >> reporter: pete was traveling in ukraine 13 years ago on vacation when he met anton. they've been best friends ever since. we were having these conversations every day, anton says. he started screaming at me. you have to get out! if i be alone, i don't leave. >> but you have them. >> i'm waiting to get the passport control. >> reporter: last week, pete flew from wisconsin to poland and across the border to talk to his friend in person. we'll be to lviv in about an hour. >> he's my best friend in the world and i'm here in ukraine despite everything going on because of that friendship. he's a very loving husband and father and, you know, so devoted to his family. so, it's definitely going to be tough on him.

>> reporter: as a young man, anton can't leave the country and ayla doesn't want to go abroad by her herself. >> are you afraid. she's afraid. >> she's afraid. >> she's afraid. >> reporter: after our interview, the family makes the decision, pete would accompany interview, they make the decision that pete will accompany her to poland. leeza knows she's going to say good-bye to her dad but doesn't understand why. anton walks them into the train station. >> be safe. >> reporter: and the heart ache sets in. anton on the phone with his wife and daughter. finally the train departs. anton gathers his things one backpack and the family cat. he has done all a father can. molly hunter, nbc news, lviv, ukraine. >> our thanks to molly hunter. next hour, president biden will speak live about the help the

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president zelenskyy asked for more help from the u.s. congress. next hour president biden is set to speak on ukraine. joining us now, peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the "new york times" and nbc news political analyst, as well as the co-author of "kremlin rising" and thank you for being with us. peter, president zelenskyy's speech will put pressure, i presume, on the president and on congress to do more. was it effective? what more can the white house be doing? >> well, i think it was a very powerful speech obviously and it will add pressure to the president. you'll see members of congress walking out of the room talking about what more could be done, should be done. obviously there's a discussion of a no-fly zone. it still is a no-starter because

it means shooting down russian planes. but there are things that people can do, the batteries that the ukrainians would like to have and discussion about the migs and more that the biden administration will send to ukraine. >> there is certainly the concern about not provoking russia to react to something they could feel just crossed the line. i'm wondering where the lines are. what are the lines that the u.s. and the allies should be concerned about crossing and not crossing and then you have the other side, right? >> i don't think we know exactly where the red lines are. i do expect the administration and i think western allies will be moving in surface-to-air missiles to support the ukrainians. impassioned plea by zelenskyy

said close the skies over ukraine. i think invariably that's what the west is going to be doing to support ukraine. so i expect to hear announcement about surfaced to air missiles -- >> like the old soviet sa-10s, et cetera, or some newer surface-to-air missiles? >> i think the older variety will be in the area. we don't know to which level the ukrainian could leverage the 300s. >> he called for a new alliance that would respond to conflicts. what do you make of that proposal? >> we have such a thing. it's called the u.n. the problem is on the u.n. security council is the aggressor in this particular

instance. this is a problem that western and world leaders have had going back a century. how do you create an international organization that will prevent exactly the kind of thing you had seen going on today. franklin roosevelt gave us the u.n. it has always been a problematic organization because it includes everybody, including the aggressors. he's trying to link ukraine and say our fight is your fight. that's the main message that that notion is trying to convey here, that this is in fact a broader issue than simply the people in ukraine that you in the united states and people in europe have a great deal at stake here, too, with stability and peace around the world. >> yeah. i mean, i'm just wondering in srebrenica, there were 200 u.n. peacekeepers there and they didn't do anything to stop the massacre of 7,000 men and boys.

and, jeremy, i'm wondering, these organizations exist. when you look at the united nations, not only the security council but look at the united nations human rights group and who is in that group. what kind of a new alliance could exist? >> yeah, i don't see the u.n. playing that role but i do think that nato with its partners, including australia, japan, south korea, basically the lines of democracy, that's where this is going. look, we're in world war ii.5. we're not in world war iii yet, not in nuclear confrontation and standoff between us and the russian federation, but we are seeing a line of democracies trying to battle against autocracies. and china has been helping russia, you'll see this drive even further wedges. the democratic allies have been

taking this through economic war threat and now through indirect military warfare. >> i think the economic side of it, too, the fact that we're even thinking of talking to venezuela is a contradictory term on that one. thank you so much for being with us this morning. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. thank you for the privilege of your time. craig melvin picks up with more news right now. and a good wednesday morning to you. craig melvin here from msnbc world headquarters here in new york city. this hour two, leaders in a fight for perhaps the future of democracy. ukraine president zelenskyy with a major address this morning, speaking directly to congress. and he shared a video that we