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be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. we're coming on the air with that update from the secretary of state who just in the last few minutes says he personally agrees with president biden that russia is guilty of war crimes for targeting civilians. is the state department also confirms a u.s. citizen has been killed in ukraine today. it's happening as russia bombards the city mariupol. it's unrelenting there as rescuers try to get to a bomb theater where hundreds have been sheltering. a theater where satellite pictures seem to show the word "children" in big white letters written in russian just outside. we got a lot to get to, including a new update from the pentagon. i'm hallie jackson in washington along with kelly o'donnell posted up at the white house. gabe gutierrez live in ukraine. courtney kube at the pentagon

and michael mcfall. some news from the secretary of state just in the last couple of minutes. let me play a part of what he just said. >> president biden said that in his opinion, war crimes have been committed in ukraine. personally, i agree. intentionally targeting civilians is a war crime. after all the destruction of the past three weeks, i find it difficult to conclude that the russians are doing otherwise. >> kelly, he also confirmed an american in ukraine today was killed in fighting there. >> without any other details yet. we don't know the circumstances or identity of that american dieing in ukraine. and the distinction when they are referring to personally assessing that they believe that vladimir putin is guilty of war crimes is an important one because they are trying to preserve an investigative process that will unfold and they are also likely trying to preserve some negotiating room to bring this war to an end at

some point if that is at all a lever they can use as a tool to get vladimir putin to stop the fighting at some point. using the lever of whether or not he would be charged as a war criminal. if that is something they can do. now the u.s. is not a direct party, not a prosecutor in these cases. it's done separately. and so that's why you're hearing officials use the terms personally making that assessment. any human being looking at this situation can make that kind of a judgment but there are officials who have that as their job to do. and as awful as war is, there are rules of war and there are codes that typically state actors follow when they are engaged in warfare. and as we are watching this unfold, we're seeing russian offensive going after civilians. it would appear, based on the targeting, based on the absence of military targets nearby and that would be a violation of those rules of war.

and it will ultimately be for the courts involved in this to decide, are these war crimes? are these crimes against humanity? at the same time there's the moral leadership of the president of the united states talking about this. and he went into some further detail today talking about the steps that vladimir putin has taken that are crossing lines that go beyond the ugliness of war to something much deeper. here was the president earlier today. >> standing together against a murderous dictator, a pure thug who is waging an immoral war against the people of ukraine. we're in a struggle between autocracies and democracies. >> the president is using his bully pulpit to further persuade the world against vladimir putin, not that that is a hard argument to make right now but to further isolate putin and we've seen putin responding to that as well. and trying to galvanize some of

the response and to put it in different terms, not just that this is an unprovoked war but one that has crossed a moral line, even when war on its face is awful, that this goes further than that. hallie? >> kelly o'donnell, thank you. gabe, let me come to you. when you hear secretary blinken talk about russia targeting civilians, the potential for war crimes and in his opinion that those have been committed you think about that theater in mariupol, the word "children" from satellite images written in russian to the side of it. you have this rescue effort happening today. slow, of course, considering the bombardment of mariupol is continuing here. tell me what it's like on the ground and what you're seeing and hearing about from other parts of the country. i know you're further in the west. >> yes, hallie. this is an increasingly disturbing situation that video out of mariupol is just astounding and when you consider that hundreds of civilians were in that building, underneath, is

unclear the number of casualties but overnight, president zelenskyy said that essentially the russians dropped a huge bomb on that theater and that, yes, it was clearly identified, ukrainian officials say, as having children inside. again, there is no clear death toll at this point. rescuers according to reporters on the ground have said rescuers have been pulling survivors from the rubble today. again, unclear how many casualties but this is an increasingly dire situation, hallie in other parts of the country. south of ukraine, eastern part of ukraine. we're hearing more and more from refugees starting to come from those areas. the first refugees are starting to come from mariupol itself and they are describing essentially what they see as hell on earth. now today we also want to get to the news at president zelenskyy visited some of those wounded near kyiv. he went to a hospital in kyiv and visited some who had been

injured there as part of the russian attacks. we've been speaking with refugees over the past several days. earlier today we were at a church here in lviv where dozens of families were expected to spend the night and we also spoke with one of the pastors who, for several weeks now, since the start of this war, has been opening the doors of the christ fellowship church in lviv to those desperate refugees. and i asked him whether he thought the international community should be doing more. take a listen. >> if the world would be able to really protect our sky from bombs falling on civilians, that would be all we need. >> on the left side of your screen you saw there lines and lines of refugees trying to board those trains to other countries in europe. that situation, it is a situation, hallie, with clearly no end in sight. >> gabe gutierrez, live in lviv. courtney, just to put a fine

point on what russia is doing. look what's happening in and around kyiv with this russian destruction of one of the biggest food storage facilities which is really important getting food distributed throughout the capital. our team on the ground, richard engel's team has seen that. you've clearly got putin's back against the wall. that is what you are hearing from senior defense officials you're talking to. so what is next? you just got an update. what are they looking for from russia? what is the next step they're bracing for? >> one thing that defense officials i'm speaking with are keeping an eye on is odesa, the port city in the south. the reason that's so critical is there is -- it's, for starters, it's a strategic area. it's a large port city. if russia were able to take that and mariupol which we've been hearing about has been isolated, surrounded and really under siege for days now, if russia were able to take odesa all the way up to mariupol they'd essentially own the coastline of ukraine. they'd have that entire

coastline. it would be essentially a land bridge for them. there's a strong belief that that is one of the goals here from russia is to take odesa. it has not started yet but there may be some very early indications that that is in the works. there are some ground troops up near a town called mykolaiv. the u.s. and others are watching to see if they take a turn, head towards odesa and this increased naval activity that we're seeing in the north black sea with more russian ships that if there is potentially in the coming days some sort of an offensive that goes from both -- from the ground and from the sea on odesa. that's one thing. another thing that i've been struck by is there hasn't been a whole lot of movement of real noticeable movement on the ground. operationally by the russian forces in the last 24 hours or so. but there has been some advancement. two things. one is a town in the east. the russians have taken that in the past 24 hours or so.

why that's important is it could be a sign that russia is trying to essentially create an area in the southeastern part down in -- around donbas and beyond that, an area that would be totally controlled by the russians. if they are able to keep moving past izium down toward the dnieper river. they're moving more long-range artillery fire closer to kyiv. we could see more artillery fire on kyiv in the coming days which would be more destructive than we've seen. >> even more devastating if the siege were to continue there. thank you for your report. ambassador mcfaul, let me start with what we heard from tony blinken, personally agreeing that russia has committed war crimes. there's not a formal declaration. explain if in your view and why that distinction is important. >> well, it's a qualitatively

new stage and no disrespect to secretary blinken but that the president of the united states said it, that is an extraordinary statement. it's very unusual. it means that direct negotiations between president putin and president biden are unlikely forever. think about that. i agree analytically, by the way. i'm not an international lawyer and, of course, they all understand that those kinds of indictments come from international body, not individual leaders, but that he chose to say it on the record and secretary blinken reaffirmed it is a major step. it's going to be very difficult to be part of a negotiated settlement of this war. i think it's right but it's a big step. >> there are so-called peace talks happening. discussions between the russians and ukrainians. do you have a sliver of optimism those could yield fruit? >> it's better to be talking than not.

i know that the report out progress from their intermediaries. but until vladimir putin says on the record that i want to negotiate, i'm skeptical. and what i worry about is that we get excited that we might have a peace deal and then that causes us to pump the brakes on weapons systems, certain kinds of support for the ukrainians. usually, hallie, wars end in two ways. either one side wins or there's a stalemate on the battlefield. right now we don't have either of those conditions, and i fear, therefore, the war is going to continue for some time. >> can i ask you about wnba star brittney griner. her detention in russia has been extended until may. you have the russians saying she's fine. she's reading books. the only issue is her bed is too small in her area where she's being detained. but i think behind the scenes you get the sense there's concern on the part of the u.s. what should we know? >> well, she pleaded not guilty and so they put her back in jail

for two more months. no disrespect, but i've been in the russian prison system. it's not a pleasant place to be. i observed it. let me be clear. i was not being held there. when i was discover, i observed these places. you do not want to be there. it's shocking to me. i dealt with these kind of issues with much lower profile americans when i was ambassador and they are very hard to unstuck. i hope it will be raised at the highest levels to get her out of russia. >> ambassador michael mcfaul, always great to have you expertise. up next, could we be in for another wave of covid here in this country? we've got the u.s. surgeon general standing by to talk with us about that. plus, losing contact. a minnesota mom says her son was taken by russian soldiers in ukraine. she's going to join me live later this hour. and the fight against sky-high gas prices. what congress is trying to do to get answers from big oil execs. we'll be right back. l be right .

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if you were looking around most cities, most states in the country you might have no idea covid was surging again. looked a lot different in other parts of the world. germany and austria hitting all-time highs for new cases. experts say it's partly because of an omicron subvariant and so far europe is not seeing a big rise in hospitalizations but it is bringing up new concerns about, hey, as goes europe, so goes the u.s. maybe? we are headed into a new wave, too? this time maybe with a money crunch and new covid czar. dr. ashish czar tapped to take over from jeffrey zients. i want to bring in the u.s. surgeon general dr. vivek murthy. thanks for being back on the show. good afternoon to you. >> thanks, hallie. good to be with you today. >> is it just a matter of time before cases here are starting to surge again like we see in

europe? >> well, i think we've seen time and time that one wave that starts in one part of the world often doesn't stay in that part of the world and often comes to the united states. we need to be prepared for that. we knew omicron would not be the last wave of covid that we saw. we can control how prepared we are for the next wave if and when it comes and our preparation is involving getting as many people vaccinated and boosted as possible. it saves lives. it also means making sure treatments are available and that people have access to testing. a lot of the infrastructure has been put in place and people i should say across our country have made incredible sacrifices to get us to the place where we are now. we've got to protect that progress. safeguard and make sure those tools are available for people. this is why the administration has been asking for congress to sustain the funding for the response. if we don't do that, people won't have the vaccines, treatments and tests they need. >> i've got a money question for you. to follow up, do i hear you

say -- should we be bracing for a surge and might we need to bring back some of those masking and vaccine mandates. is that what you're anticipating? >> i think it's very possible that we'll see another wave of covid. we don't know when it will come and we don't necessarily know to what extent it will translate into lives lost and people hospitalized because one of the things we've seen is that our vaccines, especially with w our boosters, they do a very good job of keeping people out of the hospital and saving their life and we've now more and more medications, treatments that can also help reduce the risk of hospitalizations. so we can continue to get those out to people. if we can get people to know about them and take the vaccines, pursue the treatments if and when they do get sick, then we can save lives and ensure that what might be a rise in cases doesn't necessarily translate to severe disease. we know we're not getting rid of covid entirely but can

prevent the worst outcomes from covid. >> maybe there won't be enough boosters, et cetera. are we really and truly in a position here, dr. murthsy, where six months from now some people who want a shot will not be able to get one? >> hallie, we are not in a good position right now if we don't get the additional funding we need. >> what does that mean? >> here's what that means. it means practically, if there is indeed an additional booster shot that's recommended and keep in mind one of the companies submitted data for a second booster shot. the fda is considering that right now. but if a booster is required, without additional funding there won't be the ability to get that booster available to everyone in the united states. so that's problem number one. the second is we now have tests available for people. people are signing up on the website getting tests delivered to their home. that's a critical part of the response. that, too, may not be available in the months ahead if we do not get the additional funding that we need.

and we've made a commitment throughout this pandemic to look out for those who are at highest risk. and that includes the immunocompromised, people uninsured. the fund that we have to actually reimburse providers and others who take care of those who are uninsured, that will run out. without additional funding which means many of those people most vulnerable will also be left behind. so these are real consequences that we'll face in the next few months. >> what is the drop dead date? what's the point where if you do not have the money these worst-case scenarios happen? >> well, hallie, we've already had to start a process of having to plan and in some cases reduce the flow of treatments, different parts of the country because we could budget for a scenario we may not have enough if the funding doesn't come through. you're already starting to see the impacts right now and that will only continue to ratchet up. it's not too late. congress does come through with the funding. we can make sure the treatments and services that people need are available to them. we're in a marathon.

we've come a long way. we can't afford to stop running because the virus isn't stopping. we can't afford to quit either. >> you are a parent of a kid under 5. you shared publicly, she had covid among other members of your family. i've been reporting on that cohort. i'm also a parent of a kid under 5. i've been talking with parents of kids that age. some of them are angry, confused. i've spoken with moms, mad at you and the government. one mom feels abandoned by this administration. she feels left behind as people shift to the new normal and she's a parent with a kid under 5, cannot do that. that is your message to those parents? >> pleat say that as a parent of a 5-year-old and a 4-year-old, i absolutely understand how challenging this last two years has been for parents. i'm grateful that my 5-year-old has the vaccine available and is vaccinated but my 4-year-old was not vaccinated and my wife and i -- before she got sick, we're doing everything we can to make sure that a vaccine is available for kids under 5. but here's what we need in order

to make that vaccine available. we need the trials to be completed by the companies and the fda has to review that data to make sure the vaccine is safe and effective. you can't speed up the trial. you can't rush the trial because the gold standard for the fda is to make sure they're not cutting any corners and if the vaccine is authorized by them that it's something that parents can believe in. that it's safe and effective for their kids. but they're doing everything they can to make sure they get that data as quickly as possible. our hope is that the trials will be complete soon. april was the date that pfizer was anticipating. we're hoping soon after that they can package that data and get it to us. the fda is ready and waiting to analyze that data. we're prepared to deliver a vaccine to communities around the country so we can get them to kids under 5. it's got to be safe, effective, and that's why we've got to get those trials completed by the companies and data submitted to the fda. >> we only have about 20 seconds left with you.

about one-third of americans still not fully vaxxed. aside from the kids who can't get vaxxed yet. do you think these numbers are the best we're going to get? is this the peak for us? >> i was taught early on in my medical training never to give up on people. i'm not giving up. we're going to keep talking to people. working with communities. we want to get as many people vaccinated as possible. that's how we save lives. >> surgeon general dr. vivek murthy, thank you for being on the show and for your time. still ahead, the latest on wnba star brittney griner detained in russia. the new information the biden administration and state department is sharing about her and living a nightmare. the minnesota mom sevening for her son who went missing in ukraine joins me live in just a minute. minute so, quick wellness check, how are you these days? friendships an 8, but your knee is...barely a 2? and what about your cheerfulness? or, you know...able-to-relax-edness. and how can we help you with all that?

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state department spokesperson ned price telling us right here on this network to andrea mitchell this afternoon, the u.s. embassy is doing all it can over these russian news agency reports that brittney griner will stay in a russian jail until may. she had cannabis vape cartridges in her luggage. here's what price said. >> every time an american citizen is detained anywhere around the world we spring into

action to provide assistance. we're deeply concerned about this case. >> the department, state department, also knows about missing minnesota man tyler jacob. his mother tina howser hasn't heard from her son in almost a week, since saturday. you can see a picture of tina with tyler there. he'd been living in the ukrainian city kherson with his wife and son. the city had been targeted. his mom is working with the embassy to find tyler and his wife and kids to the united states. i know this must be an incredibly difficult time for you. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> i can tell you're already emotional and i know that talking about this must be hard. tell me about tyler, what he was doing in ukraine and what happened. >> well, he met his girlfriend a few months ago back in july last year, and then they started to really connect and have a really

good relationship so he decided that he was going to go over there and help her be an english instructor. and they were happily going through life and then in january, they got married and then the war broke out here just not too long ago. >> so when was the last time you talked with him, and what were those circumstances? >> he called me saturday morning, and was scared, and was asking, mom, what do i do? how do i do this? do i leave my life behind, my child behind? where do i go? this bus is telling us we have to get on for the foreigners to get out and i am like, i trust you. you've got a good judgment. do what you need to do. so he got on that bus. and we were texting off and on until about 8:00 saturday morning and that was the last i have heard from my son since. >> what do you think happened to him? have you heard from anybody around him, from his wife, from

anybody still in ukraine about where he might be now? i know you have reason to believe he's been detained by the russians? >> i know he's been detained because the person that he was riding the bus with, the turkish citizen contacted my daughter-in-law and told her that he was taken off the bus after they went through the checkpoint and they haven't seen him. we haven't heard anything from him since then. and it's just been one roller coaster of a ride this week so far for all of us. >> how have you been doing? >> hanging on to strings to get myself through this. grasping at anything and everything. i've got people texting me and messaging me asking what can we do, how can we help you? actually, there's a local person here that's given me a lot of information to help reach out to

different government departments and get more action going. the senators here have been great and the u.s. embassy in moscow are all putting petitions out to help us find him. >> and you've heard from the embassy, yes, just in the last 24 hours, i believe? >> yes, i emailed the embassy this morning and they told me that they have put out a petition. they're just waiting to hear from the russian government on where my son is and why they are detaining him and where he's at and when can he be released. >> do you have any idea why he was detained? did that person -- to be clear, he had been trying to escape into turkey. did the person who was with him that spoke with your daughter-in-law give any information about why he was pulled off this bus? >> the only reason why is because he's a u.s. citizen. there is no other one. he wasn't doing anything bad. he was trying live a life over

there with his wife and daughter. he just was a u.s. citizen and it was a target on him. >> i know you're trying to stay positive. i imagine the worst case scenarios you can't help are going through your mind at this point. >> oh, yeah. this was and has been the beginning of my worst nightmare. i was afraid he was going to get captured and i don't want to even think about the next two fears of never seeing him or having him killed by them guys. >> has anybody heard from tyler, tina? has anybody, you know, friends over there, anybody in ukraine heard from him since saturday morning? >> nobody has, and we're just at our wit's ends waiting for that phone call or that text message to come through. >> do you feel like you're getting enough support from the u.s. here from the government, from your leadership there in minnesota, the senators

klobuchar and smith? >> i wish i would have more updates, but i know they don't have them either so, i mean, they're doing the best that they can. i do feel very supportive by the government and the urgency of everything. >> okay. >> and i am content, i guess, with what's going on. >> if you could get a message to your son, tina, what would you tell him? >> i'd tell him i love him and i miss him. and i'm trying so hard to find him. just please be safe and be strong, tyler. you're a good man. we'll find you some day. >> tina hauser, you have the thoughts and prayers of so many here in this country thinking about you and thinking about tyler. i know this has been a difficult conversation to have and i appreciate you coming to so we can shine a light on this story. >> thank you very much. >> tina hauser in minnesota.

we want to take you to the security council meeting where the united states ambassador to the united nations, linda greenfield, is speaking about right now about what the world is witnessing in ukraine. >> -- inflicting on ukraine on the ukrainian people. russia will be held accountable for its atrocities. there's only one way, one way to end this madness. president putin, stop the killing. withdraw your forces. leave ukraine once and for all. yesterday i listened to president zelenskyy's speech to the united states congress, and i was so moved by his words, his bravery and his calls for help and for peace. immediately afterward, president biden announced another $800 million in security assistance

to help ukraine defend itself. that's more than $1 billion in the past week alone. we're not doing this by ourselves. our allies and partners are fully committed to surging assistance to the ukrainians. and we are grateful to all of our allies and partners who have opened their borders and their hearts and welcome the ukrainian refugees. we're also going to continue to provide humanitarian relief to support people within ukraine and those forced to flee, including the $186 million in additional assistance that secretary blinken announced on tuesday. here at the united nations, we believe the best way to address the humanitarian crisis is through a resolution in the u.n. general assembly. the resolution in the general assembly will reflect the views

of the overwhelming majority of u.n. member states and ukraine itself. the international court of justice issued a profound and important order yesterday to the russian federation. and we call on russia to comply immediately. russia has clearly violated international law by violating the sovereignty and territorial integrity of ukraine. russia's brutal tactics have killed civilians, medics and some of the journalists who have been showing us all the truth of this war. russia has attacked so much of what we hold sacred and everything -- everything the united nations stands for. russia's actions must be condemned in no uncertain terms.

as president biden said, ukraine will never be a victory for putin. no matter what advances he makes, no matter whom he kills or what cities he destroys, ukraine will never be a victory for him. the united states stands with ukraine and the ukrainian people, and we will do everything -- everything in our power to end this tragic, unnecessary war. thank you. >> ambassador linda thomas-greenfield talking about what we are seeing, what the world is witnessing in ukraine at the hands of russia. an invasion that's triggered one of the worst humanitarian crises. more than 3 million have left ukraine. most of them escaping into countries nearby. here in the u.s., where there are more than a million americans of ukrainian descent,

humanitarian groups hoping to start taking in those refugees soon. one state, ohio, getting ahead of the game with the governor today hosting a sumit to start coordinating how and how many ukrainians will settle here. i want to bring in shaq brewster in parma, ohio. what's the timeline for when these groups think they might start receiving some of these people leaving ukraine. i know they're anxious to help, eager to do so. >> they're very anxious. it's not clear when those ukrainian refugees will start coming, but the purpose of the summit is to get ready. they are highlighting and underscoring the idea they want to be prepared for when that time comes. and that's what you're hearing from many of the groups. they are saying they've done this before and they're already starting to do the work. providing legal aid for ukrainian americans with family overseas. securing pledges for housing and donations for those refugees when that time comes. i want you to listen to what we heard from the governor at this summit. and then what we heard from a

case manager with one of the groups that was represented at the summit. listen to the similarities in their message. >> we don't know how many refugees will be coming here or even if we will have refugees but it seemed that we need to get ready. >> eager. we're waiting. we try to expedite our cases and we are trying to bring the message, please bring our people here. please let us help us help them. >> so you hear some of the groups are pushing the federal government to accelerate, expedite the process of allowing those refugees to come to the united states. especially when there -- they have members of their family living here. cleveland has one of the largest ukrainian populations in the country. but i asked governor dewine after his comments, i asked if he has any calls for the biden administration with him holding the summit and trying to signal that the state of ohio is ready.

and he said, no, he's leaving it to the federal government to decide when that will happen. he just wants to make sure his state is ready for when that time comes. >> shaquille brewster live in parma, ohio. thank you. still ahead here -- a college athlete who could make history tonight. a transgender swimmer who could claim an ncaa d-1 title for the very first time. why that's creating so much controversy. plus, democrats making a push to hold oil execs accountable as they try to dodge some blame heading into the midterms. we'll talk about that and the latest from the hill. we'll talk about that and the latest from the hill new dove men stress-relief body wash... with a plant-based adaptogen, helps alleviate stress on skin. so you can get back in sync. new dove men. a restorative shower for body and mind.

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season, which is rapidly upon us. but thank goodness that summer is around the corner. but, listen, i think this is all points to just an acute political fear for a lot of reasons. democrats are facing extraordinarily stiff headwinds in keeping their majority. joe biden's numbers are still struggling a little bit and add to that, house democrats are most likely even in the most rosy scenarios going to lose the majority so they're trying to use these next couple of months. i imagine it will be april, may, june to do something, anything, on gas prices. >> jake sherman live on capitol hill. great to see you. thank you. >> thanks, hallie. want to talk about other top stories we're following. from missouri first where state politicians are trying to make it harder for people to get abortions, even if they get one in another state. that debate may happen in missouri as soon as next week. out west, former governor of california getting political

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potentially history night coming up. the university of pennsylvania swimmer leah thomas is set to compete putting the transgender swimmer at the controversy. thomas has more than a shot at the event why the 500-yard freestyle. i want to bring in now transgender athlete and founder chris mozzure. good afternoon to you. >> great to be with you. thank you. >> talk about what's at stake tonight. >> for leah obviously it is what she is training for her entire career and a personal matter for her and i think -- are looking for. see transathletes succeed at this level or don't want to. and we'll have the opportunity to find out tonight what happens.

i think either way if leah wins or doesn't win people made up the mind about their opinions on the matter and waiting to see how angry or happy they will be. >> we have covered this a lot on this show. there have been criticism of participation and small protesters and a competitor who said she had no problem to swim against leah. the competition part, there's so much out of the pool to manage, too. >> yeah. let's just take a moment and love to do it here on the show and hasn't happened much to celebrate lia in the center of as you said controversy with people who have opinions whether they're involved in sport or

not. the way that this young woman has handled the criticism, the media attention and graduate and she deserves to be celebrated for that. >> i think you have been in texas talking about this with trans kids and young athletes and families. >> i'm joining you here from texas. i have been on the ground meeting with kids and families and interesting because i have met with a young person who's a swimmer and thinking about what does this mean for lia to be competing, to be celebrated to possibly win. it means a lot for a lot of people but for this young 10-year-old swimmer it is not the role modeling that i would hope that it would be because she is terrified to be -- away from her family.

what is happening here in texas is atrocious and numb people who are concerned that the loving parents taken away from them put into a system to force essentially into a level of conversion therapy. >> chris, i'm sorry. you're talking about the governor's ban on gender affirming on kids? >> the govern and the order, opinion to investigate the families of trans kids and remove the young people from the homes. >> yeah. so go on. you're saying that is the context and so much broader context overall looking at trans youth in this country. >> yeah. honestly, trans people aren't as

obsessed with this issue as the rest of right wing leaning media and the people because we are fighting for rights to survive. this conversation is an opening line in the conversation about whether or not we are welcomed and accepted in our country. there's felony health care bans in states like alabama. what is happening in texas and in nearly 100 bills tarkting the trans -- targeting the trans community. we have measure to think about than a swimmer looking at the big picture. >> thank you so much for your perspective and your thoughts this afternoon. thank you for watching this hour. for now "deadline: white house" starts right after the break. tk taking trulicity, and it looks like he's gotten into some

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