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press daily." chuk's going to spend time with the mayor of kyiv. but first "andrea mitchell reports" starts right now. ♪ good day. this is "andrea mitchell reports" in washington. as russia escalates its attacks on civilian targets in ukraine, including hitting a residential complex in kyiv in the early morning hours, destroying a playground, grocery store and the homes around it. inside one of the apartments, a sink and walls covered in blood. the latest carnage from putin's assault. one resident working out in shock after her life changed in an instant. >> translator: i have no home now and nowhere to live. where am i to go? >> russia hitting an airplane repair plant near lviv. a safe haven for refugees fleeing to poland. and the first american citizen
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killed north of kyiv, while waiting in a bread line. he was there to be with his partner, who has multiple sclerosis and is hospitalized. his sister is speaking to our minnesota affiliate. >> this last trip he was getting special medicine, organizing that. he really loved her so deeply. >> at the white house earlier, president biden holding a call with chinese president xi for nearly two hours after the u.s. warned china against helping russia avoid sanctions. principally with financial aid. appearing at huge rally to commemorate russia taking control of crimea from ukraine, a defiant putin calling his soldiers heroic. and at the u.n. russia again making false claims that the u.s. is financing a bio weapons program in ukraine. the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. slamming that propaganda.
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>> last week we heard from the russian representative a tirade of bizarre conspiracy theories. this week we're hearing a whole lot more where that came from. things that sound like they were forwarded to him on a chain email from some dark corner of the internet. president biden has a word for this kind of talk. malarkey. as i said one week ago, ukraine does not have a biological weapons program. >> and joining me now, chief foreign correspondent, richard engel, in kyiv. asia correspondent in beijing and chief white house correspondent and coanchor "peter alexander." what's the pattern of russia's attack, targets in ukraine and kyiv has been devastating. what we're hearing from president zelenskyy today.
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>> so, i'll start with the attack here in kyiv this morning. it was another apartment complex and they seem to be the favorite targets of russia these days. where they are just lobbing missiles into this city, apparently at random. they certainly seem to be falling indiscriminately. it's not a constant stream of incoming missiles but each time they land, when they land on an apartment building, they cause casualties. and luckily, if you can call anything about this lucky, in the center of a court yard surrounded by a apartment buildings, an apartment complex. and it devastated the surrounding apartments. it also damaged a kindergarten, a nursery school, grocery store in the complex. and killed at least one person, wounded 12. could be more than that. that's been the pattern here that we've been seeing on a daily basis where there's some
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sort of a target, generally residential, that is hit. president zelenskyy spoke a short while ago and oo was talking about the situation in mariupol. if you remember, there was the theater that was hit. even though there were signs in the front and back in russian big enough for planes to see and they said "children." and there were children taking shelter and lots of people taking shelter underneath the theater. russia bombed it anyway. 130 people managed to be rescued, according to president zelenskyy but hundreds more are still inside and efforts are underway to get them out. but it is very difficult to conduct any kind of rescue operation. difficult to do anything in mariupol because it is the most active war zone in this country right now. russian troops are on the streets, still firing the to the city. to go back the propaganda campaign you're talking about.
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it's powerful, pervasive and a fundamental part of the conflict. if you listen to vladimir putin himself, he says he's fighting against nazis and on social media now, there's -- on russian social media, they're describing mariupol as the nazi-occupied city of mariupol and say how people leaving the city are being checked for swastikas on their bodies and forced to take shirts off and show that they don't have any swastika tattoos on their skin. we know that people are being checked because people we've spoken to -- and it's difficult to communicate with people in mariupol because there's no phone, electricity, power. but people who have gotten out say they have been checked. that russian troops are going through their phones and before they left the city, people deleted all their phones and deleted all theideos on their phones and prom the trash can on the phone.
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so, we don't have a very clear picture of what is happening in mariupol, particularly around that theater. president zelenskyy, about an hour ago, said hundreds were still trapped in the shelter underneath. >> just appalling. and to janice, president biden, of course, ramping up the regs for arer on china, having the two-hour call with president xi of china. first of all, the statement, at least from my read out of it, it was interesting. more balanced, trying to stay neutral. what's your best analysis as to what the position is of china after that call? >> reporter: well, there were low levels of trust going am to the call with this belief in the biden administration that moscow asked beijing for help and beijing was considering it. china has not condemned russia's invasion. it won't even call it an
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invasion. and china has not used its influence to this point, andrea. and this is where president biden was looking for the opportunity to communicate directly with president xi in making this great decision. china wanted to present itself as a neutral party, which of course is debatable. there are deep ties with russia that have been nurtured in recent years. this strategic alignment that is supposed to the u.s., russian influence and nato expansion. president xi was never going to change the strategic direction. but president biden may have been able to get through on the degree of closeness that china would take in this relationship with russia. from the chinese side, more lines from the readout suggesting that there is a shift
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in position, if not tone, in saying that the u.s. misjudged china's strategic incentive and objectives and suggesting that conflict and confrontation isn't in anyone's best interest. so, how this will all play out into tangible commitments is yet to be seen. we don't know the depth oof the talks or the substance of the talks between these two men. we don't know the tone of the conversation. we know that jake sullivan went to rome to meet with china's top diplomat, threatening consequences if china were to support russia in ukraine. but we're not sure how it is that president biden laid out any potential up side in not making that shift towards russia. >> let me ask you a quick follow up because part of the readout talked about how both china and
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the u.s., united nations have to both stop the killing of civilians. so, that mention and the fact that they -- was that in any way leaning forward towards working towards a resolution? >> well, stopping conflict and shouldering the responsibility of being u.n. security council members. so much of the statements is about nuance. we know in reading between the lines, what is it that each side is trying to say? china is not wanting to be seen is as abandoning its strategic partner, the one it has in russia and it doesn't want to jeopardize the ties it has with the u.s. and e.u. what china is advocating, as wanting to be seen as neutral party, is that there needs to be some sort of discussion with the u.s., nato and russia to address
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russia's security concerns as a stepping stone towards resolving the conflict in ukraine. >> thank you so much for that context. peter alexander at the white house. left with threats if they do bailout russia militarily but more importantly financially, is what their talking about. what's their leverage? europe really wants to keep the chinese trade. so, are we really going to sanction china? we really going to punish them if europe doesn't go along? >> to be clear russia is still providing oil and gas being bought by the chinese. frankly, many european nations are doing the same thing. germany, even when the u.s. anournlsed the ban on oil and gas exports to the u.s., a lot of the countries in europe,
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frankly, they rely on it so dramatically. these are questions that need to be determined as this conversation continues. it's wrapped up today but the back and forth continues between the u.s. and chinese to see exactly what they will do here, especially given the fact that the united states is so concerned with the supply of military equipment, an out for vladimir putin getting the economic help from china could allow him to continue his grip of power in russia to continue with this invasion, in effect, with another world power at its side. one thing i think we'll watch as well, the white house won't discuss yet is whether they would roll back any of the trump-era tariffs a as a way to incentivize china as this conversation continues going forward. we're going to speak to jen sake. i'm sure he'll be pressed on the very questions. this call, their first since
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november. the first conversation between president xi and biden going back for several months here. >> peter alexander and janice mackey frayer. and peter alexander. leon, thanks very much for being with us. first, your reaction to russia's attacks, increasingly hitting civilians as their ground assault is not progressing. so, they are long-range hitting civilian targets with inprecise weapons, to say the least and deliberately targeting food storage and children's hospitals, maternity hospitals. where does this end? >> well, it's a gut punch to watch the scenes of what's going on in ukraine. but what's happened here is that it's turned into a long,
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destructive slaug in which the russians are going to continue to use artillery, missiles, the killing of innocent men, women and children and propaganda. i think all of those are the tools they're using now. interestingly enough, in many ways, the invasion itself seems to have bogged down, which is a tribute to the ukrainians fighting them. it's clear that we are in for a long and destructive period here in the ukraine. that will make a difference as to what ultimately happens with this sovereign nation. >> now, the u.s. has refused, as you know, the fighter jets, a no-fly zone, which would require taking out russian antiaircraft facilities and would mean direct u.s. attacks as well as the possibility of u.s. equipment being shot down.
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but u.s. has expanded its military aid with $800 million in switch blade kamikaze drones and thats slovakia with improved air defense systems. is that going to be enough? >> i think the reality is if we can provide some of this sophisticated weaponry that is out there through drones and through other antiaircraft capabilities that are laser driven and very effective, you could literally, from the ground, be able to try control the air. is it as effective as the no-fly zone? probably not. but it can take down planes and aircraft. and i think it is extremely important. i'm pleased that the president continues to provide military
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aid to the ukrainians. the longer the ukrainians fight, the more likely that putin will lose. >> and when we talk about the leverage with china, that conversation with president xi today. it will take a while before we better understand what they are in fact doing. they could really bail russia out if they helped counteract the freeze on the central bank. we don't expect they would help with weapons. they could certainly provide a constructive role by pressuring putin. from your experience and watching president xi, what would you expect to come out of this? and how much leverage do we have to get china to help us? >> i asked an intelligence official that question about china and he had an interesting comment, which is that china has taken pause as a result of what's happened in the ukraine. and i believe that.
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i think president xi, watching the events in the ukraine, watching what the russians are doing, watching putin become a pariah in the world for what he's doing, watching the sanctions choking the russian economy, i think china is aware of just exactly what's happening here. and i'm glad the president talked to president xi because i have a sense that he is going to tip toe his way through this issue. he's going to be very careful. i don't think he's going to do anything that involves military aid. i don't think he's going to do anything that really indicates a strong support for putin. i think he really is going to focus right now on what's in the interest of china. and that's what china's all about. it's about china and he does not want to see china impacted by
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the kind of sanctions russia is engaged in because that would hurt china's economy and their entire strategy for the future. i think bottom line here is that xi is going to be very careful about how he approaches aid to russia. >> as always, great to have you. thank you. and state department confirmed thursday an american was killed north of the ukrainian capitol. jimmy hill was a teacher from minnesota. who was in ukraine to be with his partner as she was being treated to stabilize her multiple sclerosis. he was out getting food in a bread line when he was killed, along side at least nine other people. his sister spoke to our affiliate in minneapolis. >> he'd spend half the year here and the other half arranged in ukraine and getting teaching positions at different universities to do lectures and things like that so he could be
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ukrainian officials say 130 people have been rescued from the mariupol theater. but more than 1300 are still not accounted for. they may be still trapped in the refuge. and in shelter. putting many humanitarian children. this is on both sides of the building. and see when they arrived. you know that any moment and you can move to sitting in a room. >> that woman's daughter, they escaped from mariupol. what else did they tell you?
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>> reporter: for the last few weeks, i haven't met any refugees for the last 17 day. the russians and information we've been getting. they had people and it's like the icrc. the mayor is doing a few interviews and very brave associate press journalists were broadcasting images to the world. these are the first people and it was the first day that thousands of cards lined up. not humanitarian corridor. out of mariupol, it's failed every day. but nourn private vehicles drove out through about 17 check points and out of that city and we were able to speak to uyia and her mother also named ulia.
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>> and talk about how their weapon always shoots where they need be. like, they only shoot at military. i suppose this by my house, they were soldiers. they were sleeping there at that time. and she's targeting civilians. they described the situation and no water, electricity, fired. and they start reporting as they put one together. >> thank you for all your reporting. it's just been so extraordinary.
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and former u.s. ambassador to ukraine. ambassador, you were nodding your head as she was describing what's happening in another part of the interview i saw last night from molly hunter. the 8-year-old girl was describing sounds she's learned from experience of different kinds of artillery sounds. >> it's barbaric as you've reported and molly's reported. children in russian in both sides of the building. this is clearly criminal. intentionally targeting. where hundreds of ukrainians were there. this is gut wrenching to watch this.
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>> and yesterday they agreed with that. determination very carefully. the state department was sticking to and i asked the secretary about that. >> what should happen to vladimir putin? if he's found guilty, what should happen? >> we're all seeing it. and they're showing powerfully, on television, and we are seeing the destruction of russian bombs. and it's been devastating. and when we said before russia's aggression that there would be massive consequences for putin,
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unprecedented sanctions on russia, i know some people have their doubts. how do you help slad mere putin and negotiate a ceasefire? >> this is another reeszen it's so important for putin to lose. it's so important for ukrainians to win and continue to hold off this onslaught, this attack. ukrainians will win in the end. we hope it will be sooner as the russian military crumbles. it may be later because it will be a grind, a long grind. but in the end, i'm convinced the ukrainians will win and that will set the stage for people like president putin and others in the chain of command who
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block civilian targets. you ask the question about negotiating and that's for president zelenskyy and his team. they will decide ohow to negotiate, what to put on the number and we should support them. >> they've offered neutrality. that would mean nato admissions where they're at. and in response the russians negotiators seem to be saying forward with and putin is sending more troops for the border and lavrov doesn't speak for putin. >> nobody speaks for putin and his rant, hatred spilling out of that man. hatred earlier for ukrainians. and he's the only one right. only one on these negotiations.
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president zelenskyy has thought about there are models. austria, for example, is a member of the eu. >> turkey's involved for possible. >> she does have influence over vladimir putin, no doubt. putin must understand that. he may not be comfortable. so, president xi had the
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the house voted to strip russia of its preferential trade status. the bill moves to the senate, where it's expected to slide through, underscoring the broad support for punishing putin, they passed it in a 48-28 vote. the only no votes coming from the far right republicans. joining me is deputy security advisor to president biden. the only no votes came from these eight republicans, who -- i just can't imagine why they insist on -- some of them, criticizing zelenskyy, calling him a thug and playing up to vladimir putin. >> well, the sad reality is over the last five years, with the polarization of politics, there's a faction of the republican party that included the last republican president and defacto leader of the
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republican party that feels affinity for putin's ideology, the authoritarian approach to politics and you would think that shocked them out of that and the reality is one of the positive aspects of america's response to the horrific invasion of ukraine has led to the rest of the republican party falling in line with the forceful response to what russia's done. clearly those are indicative of a deeper wrought in the far right part of the party that is still there. >> and we should point out another supporter was the former secretary of state, at least until he started cleaning that up. >> yeah, and the thing is -- the reason this matters to some extent is the comments made by president trump calling putin a genius on the eve of invasion, the praise heaped on putin by
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former secretary of state pompeo, the praise from tucker carlson and even these types of members of congress. this gets a lot of play on russian propaganda. they seize on to things that could be used on their television channels and bombardment of disinformation and propaganda. trors so, it does have the effect of giving putin a lifeline to say there's a diversity opinion in the united states and some people agree with us that zelenskyy is a thug or ukrainians are somehow the instigator or this is a situation where both sides have legitimate views of the situation. that is mot inmainstream of opinion in the democratic world here. but i think it's imperative people stand up and say this is not what a representative of what we believe. i would hope one of the things to. >> come out of this is the republican party seeking to do away with that creeping brarnder
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brand of putinism inside of their own ranks. >> and joining us is the white house bureau chief for politico." picking up on that, republican congressman, madison kaugt orn, came late to the zelenskyy speech, number one and less than a week after calling zelenskyy a thug and now it's being tick picked up by the russian propaganda machine. we no longer have politics stopping at the water's edge. >> reporter: nothing's out of bounds now, unfortunately. there are democrats who use the phrase useful idiot for hawthorn and others in the united states who are doing the kremlin's bidding wittingly or unwittingly and they're showing support and allowing them selves to be show cased in russian propaganda. that's the minority opinion and
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one the former president had to deal with as well. and president trump koezied up to putin and recently called him savvy. he's walked back some of that but we should not forget years of praise he offered to putin. it's an uncomfortable moment for some of the trumpests in the party. the house vote was indicative -- nearly unanimous. only eight opposition votes in terms of the revoking the trade stattice and those eight who opposed it, we would say the far right fringe of the republican party. certainly a minority opinion. >> and we're getting the first readouts from president biden's call of president xi. you're an expert, a veteran of those kinds of calls. the tension has been rising over this. how do you read the tea leaves coming out of that call from the ministry of foreign affairs?
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>> well, you know, i think the chinese are walking a line and one of the noteworthy things are chinese reaffirming that war is not in anybody's interest was the phrase they used. and that's china really preferencing stability in the international system and an implicit rebuke to some extent of what russia has done. and the substantive question is whether they're going to provide military support to china and we're seeing the united states warning that russia may be asking china to send miltitary aid. you saw europe come out and say that they have concerns about china providing that type of assistance. so, the readout seemed to suggest china would want to stay out of the conflict and may not be inclined to provide the support, given the difficulties on the battle field in ukraine.
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on the other hand, you saw the chinese language seeking to cast some blame on the united states. didn't seem they wanted to play an assertive role in trying to side with ukraine or end the war. i took away with it, china wanting to stay out of this, keep its head down. and perhaps that means they won't be providing the military lifeline. >> or money, financial lifeline perhaps most importantly. thank you both. and reality control. vladimir putin celebrating in moscow today. eight years after taking over crimea. rallying russians to his cause in a huge soccer stadium. coming up, the creator of the americans in the hit show joining me and first, amidst the remains following a russian attack on kyiv, this message from the mayor of kyiv. he'll be coming up on mtv daily. and chuck todd speaking to the
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the official twitter account for the president of russia follows only 22 accounts. one of them, arnold
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schwarzenegger, who made an emotional plea to the russian people, dramatic plea against the war in ukraine and against putin, talking about his personal love for their country, after meeting heavy weight champion back in 1961. arnold was only 14 but later became his hero. >> i went home and put his photo above my bed to inspire me when i started lifting weights. my father told me to take down that picture and to find a german or austrian hero. he got really angry, we argued back and forth. he didn't like russians because of his experience in the second world war. you see, he was injured at len in grad at the nazi army that he was part of shs vicious harm that to the great city and its people. i did not take the photograph down, no. because it didn't matter what flag it carried.
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the reason i tell you those things, ever since i was 14 years old, i have had nothing but affection and respect for people of russia. the strength and heart of the russian people have always inspired me. and that is why i hope that you will let me tell you the truth about the war in ukraine and what is happening there. >> he went on to say your country is lying to you, tension between schwarzenegger and his father are just highlights and sentiments of the cold war era. our next guest has written about it, joe wise enberg, author of russia upside down. escrow atore of the series a lot of us love, the americans. great to meet you. a voice like arnold schwarzenegger cutting through the narrative. does it get to the people? how will this get to people that
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are not seeing any kind of free media any more. >> well, i was very moved by what he said, it is unusual to have a perspective like that, and in the middle of it, admitting his father was a nazi, but taken for granted that's not who he is. it is very honest and open. but it seems unlikely it will get to the russian people in any meaningful way. >> and when you see vladimir putin today after the extraordinary destruction we have seen in mariupol, and he is now wearing this jacket in a soccer stadium after all of the criticism he is so isolated, he doesn't know what's going on, other than what he has, one or two advisers. the disinformation campaign for months and months, they've been calling ukrainians nazis even though it is not true. zelenskyy is jewish. relatives were killed in the
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war, in the holocaust. >> i want to give you a sideways perspective on that. what you're saying is correct. putin has a long history of mixing outrageous lies with thoughtful insights, hard to know when he is doing which. i imagine if you're in russia it can be even harder. i have to tell you what i think about when i see him standing there in the soccer stadium, see how much support there is at this point in russia for the war. and i flashback to the war in iraq, analogous in many ways, think of how our president spoke, me and my friends and the political establishment felt, we were supportive at least initially of the brutal, aggressive war. the point is to not excuse what putin is doing, on the contrary has to be condemned in the harshest possible terms, but to recognize we are capable of the same thing. >> interesting point. makes you think of george w.
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bush on the aircraft carrier with mission accomplished. this is only the first act, but it is a devastating act for ukraine. you joined the cia back in 1990, just in time before the soviet union collapsed. how do you reflect on this moment in russian history? >> noted that putin was starting to arrest his generals and fsb officers for mistakes in the field and that didn't remind me of anything except stalin times. i spent time talking how putin is not like stalin, which is correct, but that type of activity, that way of turning on your own people in russia is extremely rare and i don't think we have seen since half a century, more than a half
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century. >> thank you, joe. thank you for the americans for voicing your experience with russia, soviet union and current russia. that does it for this edition of andrea mitchell reports. i will be in europe all next week, live from europe as president biden visits the region. remember, follow the show online on facebook and twitter at mitchell reports. chuck todd and "mtp daily" start after this. after this inds you'll love on wayfair. you can always get the brands you trust. the support you need. and dependability you can count on. plus, get financing up to 60 months on qualifying purchases. fast and free delivery. and installation and haul-away. so with wayfair, you'll always find your perfect match. ♪ wayfair you got just what i need ♪ attention medicare beneficiaries, if you have or are eligible for medicaid,
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if it's friday, president biden speaks with china's president, xi jinping. the russian assault on ukraine, as they indiscriminately shell targets across the country. new attacks hitting an apartment complex, a theater, a kindergarten. plus my interview with the kyiv mayor. defending ukraine's capital against the siege and what he needs to hold the line, as well as prospect for peace with putin still in charge. and an update from an emergency coordinator grappling with the worsening humanitarian crisis in ukraine, amid efforts to rush medical supplies to active war zones. welco