children they would be fine. i'm more worried about those in adolescence and they're missing everything about their former life and it will be tough. it's not just about parents themselves, but people that have expertise in making sure older children are protected from the mental health point of view, ali. so there are a lot of factors to consider here and i'm hoping that we'll see here coordination of meeting those needs that i saw in refugee settings, but it's a big, long-term problem and we don't know how the children will be separated from familiar homes and communities that they grew up in. >> irwin, thanks again for your expertise. irwin redletter, founder of the fund and msnbc public analyst.

don't go anywhere. another hour of "velshi" from budapest, hungary, starts right now. ♪♪ ♪♪ good morning. it's saturday, march the 19th. i'm ali velshi. it's 9:00 a.m. in new york and 2:00 p.m. in hungary. i'm at the rail station where refugees continue to pore in. russia has launched a thousand missiles in ukraine in the 24 days since the forces first invaded the country. in the besieged southeastern port city of mariupol, 50 to 100 bombs are being dropped daily. on average, that would mean a bomb every 15 to 30 minutes. this morning russia is touting it used a hypersonic missile for the first time to destroy an underground military warehouse in western ukraine. the relentless air attack has resulted in at least 2,149 civilian casualties.

that includes 816 civilian deaths and 1,333 injuries. those numbers are provided by the united nations human rights office, but it cautions the numbers are much higher than what they've been able to confirm so far. the war has displaced more than 9.8 million people and that's nearly a quarter of ukraine's entire population. 3.3 million people have left for hungary, poland, romania and moldova while 6.5 million people are displaced within ukraine, forced to leave their homes and seek shelter elsewhere. it's become more difficult to seek shelter as russia's bombing campaign grows. 43 health care facilities have been hit by russian missiles to date and that's a violation of international humanitarian law. according to the prosecutor general's office, more than 400

educational institutions have also been damaged. there are also reports from the ground including from the mayor of kyiv that residential areas have been targeted and destroyed. on thursday, a theater in mariupol where more than a thousand people were sheltering was hit directly by a missile strike, the fate of 1300 others remains unknown as the recovery efforts continue and a second attack near the city of lviv lz has many wondering, and lviv had been a relatively safe haven from many who were fleeing wartorn cities in the east of ukraine. while russia continues to devastate ukraine from the sky, the picture on the ground looks very different. a number of factors including ukrainian surprising level of resistance has prevented russian ground forces from making much progress, though ukraine is outnumbered, outgunned and

outmanned compared to the russian military, ukrainian forces have succeeded in destroying a number of their tanks and other equipment. american intelligence officials have given an estimate of 7,000 russians killed in combat so far. ukraine's military claims they've killed more than 14,000 russians including four generals. russia claims the number is much lower and land forces claim they killed a fifth high-ranking military leader, a lieutenant general near the city of kherson. gabe gutierrez joins me. there have been a couple of attacks in lviv. what's the situation there overnight and today? >> ali, there were several explosions heard in the distance overnight and the larger attack was the one about a day ago which happened right near lviv's airport and that airport, and that aircraft repair facility and russian forces apparently targeted lviv's mayor says one

person was injured, but it was incredibly concerning, ali to see that smoke rising from that attack more than a day ago and while life here in lviv has mostly been relatively normal and safe for refugees and we heard an air raid siren, something that's unfortunately become quite common here in lviv, yet another reminder that this is a country at war. just a few moments ago, ali, you were speaking about mariupol. i just spoke with one of the first families to arrive here in lviv from mariupol as part of the humanitarian corridors that have been open and they told me a dramatic story of survival where they decided to leave mariupol and they were offered a car ride. they ended up getting on the road not knowing if there were

mine ahead of them and they did not realize they were in a humanitarian car d'or until they were in it and leaving the city because as you noted communications have been cut off from the southeastern city in ukraine. . it is a desperate situation and the rescue operation is still under way trapped in the rubble of the theater that was bombed days ago. many, we were told, were underneath the building in a bunker, but it is unclear how many have survived and emergency services, as we know, in mariupol have been decimated by the attacks there. also the breaking news this morning, we are hearing that the russians are admitting for the first time the use of those hypersonic missiles that the russians say were used to attack an underground ammunition depot in the western part of ukraine. nbc has not been able to verify those claims. the ukrainian authorities say they don't believe they've used

hypersonic missiles and ali, this would be a new phase of this conflict because those missiles are incredibly difficult to detect bay air defense systems and they are low flying and fly at ten times the speed of sound. russia for the first time says it is employing those missiles and certainly it appears there is an escalation of this crisis and just as we're coming on the air we're hearing breaking news of shelling and air strikes just west of lviv where apparently seven civilians have died and an ongoing campaign. russia continues to say they're not targeting civilians and the family from mariupol says it's an outright lie when the russians say they aren't targeting civilians, ali. >> gabe, stay safe you and your team. you're doing hard work and it is dangerous and it is getting more

dangerous. gabe gut live in ukraine. western ukraine not far from the border. >> an msnbc political analyst and you have had some remarkable reporting this week, helene, about what the u.s. estimates the numbers of soldiers, russian solars have been in ukraine, far fewer than the ukrainians say, but the u.s. estimate is about 7,000 soldiers. to put that in perspective, in ten years in afghanistan the russians lost 15,000 soldiers. they've lost that number in three to four weeks of fighting. >> hi, ali. thanks for having me. it's an amazing number. you can do comparisons all day long. it's more than the marines lost in 36 days of fighting in iwo jima. it's more than the americans

lost in iraq and afghanistan over 20 years combined it certainly was unexpected and you also touched on a point a little bit earlier about the number of russian generals who have been killed in ukraine and that is a -- that's an even more staggering number because generals don't tend to be at the front, but in this case they've been pushed -- the belief is these generals have been pushed to the front to boost up sagging morale among the russian troops and they have been hit again and again and again. you just reported a fifth general and i don't have confirmation of that and you just reported a fifth general that has been hit and that's a big deal as well. these guys are all -- most have been in their 40s. they're sort of the next generation expected to lead the

russian military so that on the ground is becoming a story of two war campaigns. there's the one on the ground where russia is hemorrhaging troons and it is being pounded by a very stiff ukrainian resistance and the problem is that then pushes vladimir putin to take more of his war to the skies where russia is indiscriminately shelling civilian targets. look at kharkiv, for example, a city that they have not been able to take. the expect egg is within the first day of invasion they would take kharkiv. instead russia has basically pounded the city into the dust and they just keep shelling and shelling and killing civilians and killing -- killing civilians. so it's -- it's really, it's a little shocking to watch what is

ongoing right now in ukraine, and i think -- i keep trying to and this is a lost cause, but trying to figure out what's going on in vladimir putin's head and that's one of those things that a lot of people are scratching their heads about. >> well, so there is the example that we were talking about a little while ago with afghanistan that might be going through his head because the last time russia got involved in a war with that level of civilian resistance was afghanistan, and the stinger missiles and the fact that it was a contributing factor to the fall of the soviet union, something that he's trying to re-create. on the other hand, as gabe gutierrez mentioned if russia is using hypersonic missiles, stinger missiles don't help against things like that. >> no, they don't. we don't have good -- i listen to myself and i'm starting to

sound like these pentagon officials. we don't have good fidelity on what russia is using hypersonic missiles and that would be a huge, new step, but throughout the entirety of this war come is more than three weeks long now russia has continued to underestimate the ukrainian resistance. i, a, i'm not sure i believe whatever the russian government announces or says and b, let's step back and see, but that would be a big escalation. there's no question about that. >> helene, thanks for your excellent reporting. if anybody hasn't read your reporting this week they should and they should make sure they read all of it because there is turning out to be a remarkable story. helene cooper is reporter at "the new york times" and msnbc political analyst. i want to give you a shot of the

border in medyka, poland. more than 2 million ukrainians have fled to poland since russia invaded three weeks ago. this is a live shot of ukrainians who are coming into poland. you can see a woman with a shopping cart. two shopping carts and people are coming with all of the belongings that they can carry. the united states and other nato countries continue to pledge assistance to ukraine, but tunnelly funneling those weapons into ukraine is a far from simple and safe task. we'll talk about that next on "velshi" live from budapest, hungary. from budapest, hungary. you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪

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as the u.s. and its allies continue to rally support and supplies for ukrainian fighters, lithuania is fast becoming a major player. according to "the washington post," lithuania is a key operational hub for the west with officials setting up long

distance convoys to secretly deliver armored plated pickup trucks, body armor, first aid kits and other supplies and gear to ukrainian soldiers. leading the charge and helping the massive influx is blue yellow that sought to supply russians separatists after the annexation of crimea. vehicles are retrofitted with armored painting so they won't stand out on the battlefield. so far the group says it's donated more than 18.5 million euros to the ukrainian resistance not to mention cars and lots of fuel. the founder of blue yellow is also a filmmaker and directed the documentary "the invisible front." i want to clarify this is not an official effort on the part of lithuania. this is entirely volunteers.

>> that's correct. it's ngo, all of it. we do cooperate on some, with the government, and i must say i'm grateful for the support of the lithuanian government and the support is totally ngo with other entities within ukraine. >> let me ask you, the other day i talked to steve hendricks from from "the washington post," viewers who are appreciative of the coverage seem alarmed, are you giving away secrets that you shouldn't be giving away because they're trying to help the ukrainians. >> it's a dilemma, we need coverage and we need people knowing because we are solely living from the support of the people, from ordinary citizens, from companies so we have to tell about what we're doing. i'm not that worried because we

have learned over the years what we can be open with and where we should be more quiet, and i think the article was quite well balanced. there are a couple of things that should not be in it, but i'm actually not that worried at all, especially since this is not done on the front line and this is from the back of the -- from the rear, but needless to say we are doing many things that we do not talk about in public, yes. >> let's talk about what some of those things are. we're seeing images of cars. so people donate cars, garages in lithuania and then do something to those vehicles and make them useful for what? >> we check engines and everything else, we change tires and set them up for specific units and specific purposes. i can give you one example. the u.s. have provided anti-tank equipment, javelin, et cetera,

et cetera. we provide the pickup trucks that are being used for kind of ambush tactics where ukrainians go in, they fire quickly and withdraw with the help of the pickup trucks. we provide the mitsubishi l200 and as many as we can. another is for different kinds of commanding officers, et cetera, jeeps and suvs and they can move quickly along the front line or wherever they have to go. we sort of tailor suit everything we do as much as possible. mind you, we know these people. we have been doing this for eight years. we didn't have the money so we have invested in people, in people that we know are able to fight, able to support and what we have done -- and i would say a little differently from, say, the u.s., you have lots of money. we didn't have the money until now, but we invested in

instructors and in networks and that is working at its best right now as we speak. >> though you are not the lithuanian government and though this is not an official effort, vladimir putin has, i think, included groups like yours in those that he said are legitimate targets because you are supplying things that can be used in the defense of ukraine whether it's by the army or by civilians. obviously civilian defense in ukraine has become a very, very big deal. how do you address that? the idea that your work and your convoys and your cars and trucks could be hit. >> i have a officer looking at my file every day and so that's part of the game here, and we are aware of the fact that we are being followed and we are being tracked. i'm not sure what priority we have as a target, but definitely, yes. we are part of the war effort in ukraine by any means and we are

aware of that and that's a part of the game. we have to take that. lithuania was a former soviet republic and it was an early nato member when it could become one and its people are quite worried about russian expansion and perhaps more than further afield. >> how come you lithuanians are more worried than we are? i've heard that. in the baltics, more generally and lithuania, they had the same experience and the same soviet territory, et cetera, et cetera, but since then the situation here has changed dramatically. we're a member of the european union. we are a member of nato and you can say things are getting better here.

financially, politically and what not. the people here have something to lose. they got out of this soviet nightmare and now that they feel that we have something to lose maybe more than ukrainians, and also, you must understand that lithuania has a long going tradition hundreds of years and wherever it's the black sea region, it's not the reason and it's our duty and responsibility to ourselves. >> jonas, thanks very much for what you're doing and your time today. jonas ohman you understand founder of blue/yellow providing weapons to those battling the invasion. a story of love and loss. this is "velshi" live from budapest, hungary. budapest, hun. i think they look good, man. mm, smooth.

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come in from ukraine. i had an interesting conversation with the founder of blue/green, and it's not official and not a part of the lithuanian government -- i'm sorry, the blue/yellow coalition and it's not part of the lithuanian government and it is not providing arms or weaponry to ukrainians. it is providing other supplies, cars, body armor and things like this. i just want to make sure it's worth the read in "the washington post." there is a great article in there by steve hendricks and there's one thing ukrainians have been forced to deal with in the last weeks and it's been devastating loss and my next guest writes this, the beauty of kyiv, alexandra was murdered by the russians. her i loved. decades of happiness and sadness, joy and pain, meaning and loss. only death could have parted us. now i learned to hate. you shall never be forgotten.

they shall never be forgiven. joining me now from kyiv is svatislav, at 26 years old he's the youngest member ever to serve in the parliament of ukraine. tell us who you were writing about. >> i was writing about a person who since the teenage years we had all kinds of incarnations and all kind of title and she knew me best and i dare to imagine that i also understood the story of her life and the point is that -- in that time she became one of the focal points of so many lives in kyiv, in musical festivals and the chernobyl and she was a part of the gymnastic efforts and it was the place as she was killed doing her duty about the crimes of russians here in ukraine and to be honest with you, there are

thousands all over the country who are lost every single day to the russian onslaught. y. >> you know, we were talking earlier in the show about things that are war crimes and that includes killing journalists and medical people and civilians. the international criminal war crimes court is investigating this, but do you think that you will get that justice? you say you will -- you will hate and they will not be forgiven, but do you think something will be done about it? >> the -- the unit, army units which are stationed nearby, we know -- we know what units these are. these units have people that are in these units and we will find them. we have different organizations that are specialized in fighting war criminals and i hope in this case and all around ukraine, these personal losses are seen by almost every family now and a

person that was killed and a person that we, in the face of danger and the person to flee and the reality is right now the nation and the motivation is just to receive and we are losing every single day and the point is it's not a question of how. it's a question of when. >> all right. so when you say it's a question of when, what you have is morale. you've got spirit and your entire political system aligned in this fight, and it's fair to say in ukraine in normal times not everyone is on the same political side and this unity, this spirit, this morale, it's a lot. is it enough or do you need more in order to survive as a country? >> we are seeing units everywhere. the reality is all that i see in the outskirts of kyiv is heavy fighting and heavy fighting unlike anything. i could not see it happening in the capital and the point is,

the reason why soldiers are there is because they know this is the fight of their lifetime and a generational challenge and they need to meet and they need to win to give our country that next century which we can still thrive and build our future in. so that will only strengthen by every single person that is giving their everything in this fight and again, with this defiance and this need for justice for all those we have lost and the ones we lose every single day, we have no choice, but to win as our ancestors did. >> we obviously have heard about the ukrainian military and the territorial defense, but every time we talk to a member of parliament they're either involved in it somehow or have otherwise not used firearms or have acquired them and acquired some training. what is your life like as a member of parliament right now. >> even though i am a rudimentary soldier i am getting the skills one needs from all

these people that have experience fighting the last eight years because of the russians, and i have been mobilized and first and foremost, the commanders know very well that my uses at checkpoints are not as useful as it what i can do as far as getting the supplies that the units need and can we get the supply to the embattled people in kyiv and i have a foreign legion effort that is conducted here in ukraine and hope that that will be shown in the coming days. the reality is that ukraine basically is getting everybody who can involved in this battle because we don't have a choice right now. everybody who is facing kyiv is a soldier and the realities that everyone needs to try to defend our capital no matter what the russians throw at us. >> everyone who has remained in kyiv is a soldier.

thank you for joining us. please stay safe. he is a member of the ukrainian parliament and deputy director of the ukrainian world congress. there was interesting news out of uzbekistan, a former is over soviet republic, uzbekistan's foreign minister called for an end to the war and said his country recognizes the, quote, independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of ukraine, end quote, adding uzbekistan does not recognize donetsk and luhansk and it will provide humanitarian aid to ukraine and this is the first time a former soviet state has publicly distanced itself from the world although former soviet republics in central and northern europe has condemned russia's invasion on ukraine. when we come back what it means for its future.

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one country in the region surrounding ukraine that you should keep an eye on is moldova especially because russia and belarus are doing so, as well. moldova is a small, former soviet republic located on the southwestern border of ukraine. you can see it's just next to odesa. similar to the eastern cities of

donetsk and luhansk, it has a breakaway region which russia controls or gained control of in 1992 following an armed conflict. there are about 1500 russian troops there now. this week of council of europe declared transatrea belonging to moldova in other words not recognizing it. it has applied for eu membership earlier this month and the situation there since russia's invasion of ukraine has become tense and they're fear frl of what may come especially with russia's apparent goal of taking former soviet states back under its flag. in pack, during a presentation to the security council one week into the war the president of belarus, a steadfast ally of russia's vladimir putin showed a map that appeared to invade

moldova from ukraine. it will continue along that corridor to moldova. as far as the situation stands now, moldova has a population of only 2.7 million people. so far it's taken in more than 359,000 ukrainian refugees and more than hun garry and more than 13% of the population putting a major strain on its systems. while the u.n. says -- i'll take a quick look over here. we have another train coming in right now, probably a special train also with refugees on it. the u.n. says more than 3.3 million ukrainians have fled their homelands since russia invaded less than a month ago and more than 300,000 have come to hungary on trains like this from the border. each one of these people have their own story and specific needs and i'll tell you about that live on "velshi" from budapest. e on "velshi" from budapest

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nearly 300,000 people, that's the number of refugees the united nations refugees agency has now arrived in hungary. that doesn't tell the story of the highly specific individual needs of the people who arrived here, uncertain whether they will ever return home. as you know or may not know this country's government was downright awful to refugees who came from syria, even then, many people stepped up to help out the displaced syrians including organizers of a group called migration aid and now they're at it again, this time for the ukrainians. budapest, a river city where a kaleidoscope of architecture from roman everyting rises from the streets. a city of 1.7 million people now rising to help thousands of new residences. residents who are refugees

arriving from ukraine. >> everything that you see here are coming from donations from our friends and community. >> on the outskirts of the city, a local non-profit has rushed to transform an office building into a hostel for refugees. food and shelter for up to 300 people. for example, we have a two-person bedroom here. this is one of the smallest rooms. we have, think, two beds and the bathroom with their own toilets and shower. >> privacy and comfort, a play room lets kids' colorful imaginations roam. martin is one of the organizers who helped gets the doors open just a couple of days ago. we have 110 people here ask during the night we expect this number will go up as the trains from the east arrive. >> maria bitna arrived with her family by train from mykolaiv. they're staying for a few days trying to get to germany where

they don't have friends or family. >> we're going to munich and we're hoping to get a job there because it is a big city and lots of possibilities. >> across town the work shop restaurant is serving a different need. fresh, hot meals. right next door to the budapest ukrainian cultural center. >> it is heartbreaking to hear all of these stories how they have family behind who can't come with them and they just are lost and they don't know what to do and they're just seeking kindness. >> kindness from people who understand. anastasiya left her family behind in ukraine two weeks ago. >> just couldn't sit and wait and just constantly reading news. it was driving me crazy, and i thought that the best thing to do is to help. >> she's now volunteering at the restaurant, and as families eat -- angelina has started an art therapy program. she's a psychotherapist who came

to budapest with her two children. her husband is back in ukraine, as well. she showed us these drawings that reveal both children's trauma and truth. >> this boy, he say this is my family. his father because he's strong. >> and while across budapest we found people in need of rebuilding their lives, like the buildings that rise above these streets, the ukrainians we've met say they will rise again. >> you can see how ukrainians fight. i guess in the world realize what it means to be ukrainian. >> the united nations says that more than a fifth of the 44 million people living in ukraine before russia's invasion have either fled the country or are internally displaced and there are other dangers for the millions of people who have managed to leave.

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i'm sorry. i speak english. the name of this train station -- david, what's the train station named here?

nugati station. >> thank you. >> good luck. >> that was from my first night here in hungary covering the refugee crisis. after a few weeks of moving around the country, i'm back at this station. this is on the western side of the city and refugees are still coming in. as of this morning 112 children have been killed in ukraine, another 140 wounded in kraen ukraine. in the city of lviv a makeshift memorial was set up to honor the little ones who have died as a result of putin's war. more than 100 empty strollers were lined up to represent the

lives lost. the vast majority are them are women and children. according to unicef more than 1.5 million kids have fled ukraine as refugees. since february 24th, every second a child becomes a refugee because of the war in ukraine. joining me is joe english, an emergency communications specialist for unicef currently working out of lviv, ukraine. there's a couple of problems here. one is the number of people coming into countries, particularly hungary. but there are also millions of kids displaced inside hungary. so they're in the same country but not in they're homes and not in their schools. >> we're down in shelter leer in lviv.

earlier today i was walking around the city meeting children and families. it felt like you could be anywhere in the world. walking in the park, walking their dog and then the air raid sirens go off and we have to come down here. the kids know what to do when they hear the sirens. they drop what they're doing, they find their parents and they head for the shelter. this is one of the safest parts of the country. people are coming from elsewhere where the fighting has been so much more severe. we've seen them come under attack. >> i was speaking to a member of parliament a few days ago who had left kyiv for a couple days before the curfew and had gone to visit her 9-year-old son in western ukraine. as soon as she greeted him, he was describing how at school they listened to air raid irens

and they know to go into a bunker. he was 9. that's got to be scarring for kids. >> it is. the physical wounds are obviously huge. in terms of the effect this is having, it's like a social effect. these kids are going to need counselling and social care. you referred to the number of kids killed and injured. the u.n.'s estimate. we know the numbers are going to be higher. the emotional trauma they're experiencing is going to take far longer to heal. >> it is of effect, though, when we talk about kids. you tweeted the other day the confused terrified looks of the children of kharkiv and kyiv and mariupol are the same of those of mosul, russia and

palestinian. when the world sees children displaced, they seem to take action differently. >> yeah. i've worked with unicef for ten years now. i've traveled the world. honestly, the impact of war, of conflict on children is, it breaks your heart, it really does. but i've also seen when you give children a safe space and give them toys and pens and paper, these simple things, and then you provide them with care and attention, they can begin to rebuild their lives. we've seen this in syria, in south sudan, somalia. they need peace, they need a cease fire. it can't come soon enough. >> it's important for the work you're doing at unicef to understand this is a fraction.

it's the story of the moment, but it's a fraction of children around the world who are refugees. >> it is, you know. i think what we need from the world at the moment is international solidarity and cooperation. we need governments to step up and take their fair share of refuges and provide safety. this isn't just the ukrainian refugees. it should be everywhere. it should be syrian refugees. we had 11 years of war in syrup -- syria. i've seen just what a few weeks of conflict have done here. 11 years, it's just beyond belief. >> thank you for the work that you are doing, thank you for the work that unicef is doing. that does it for me.

i'll be back here tomorrow. "the cross connection" with my good friend tiffany cross begins right now. ♪♪ good morning. welcome to "the cross connection." i'm tiffany cross. we begin with the latest breaking nice of the russian invasion of ukraine stretching into its fourth week. four u.s. marines crashed while participating in a nato military exercise in norway. norway says the exercise is not related to the russian invasion and has been planned for months. on friday, russian missiles struck the city of lviv, which is only 40 miles from the polish border. the russian defense