humanity but when you see moments like this, it also brings out the best in humanity. and i think this is what we should be seeing more of around this world. welcoming all refugees and opening their schools and homes and hospitals to people who need it. so i'm right there with you. it definitely tugs on your heart. especially as a parent of young children. >> amen, you know i agree with that analysis. thank, you have a great show. >> thank you, you too. take care. good evening everyone, i'm ayman mohyeldin here in new york and tonight, a new escalation as putin's invasion of ukraine rages into his fourth. week russia's military now says that they've used hypersonic missiles to destroy ammunition depot in western ukraine. that claim strikes the actual first use of this advanced weapon system in the war. hypersonic missiles are capable of flying five times the speed of sound and were first used by russia during its 2016 campaign in syria. nearly 900 ukrainian civilians

have been killed since russia launched its invasion, including 64 children. as the death toll rises, but moscow-backed forces completely to encircle key cities in ukraine. kyiv remains and ukrainian hands, but tens of thousands of troops in the northeast edge closer to the city center. in the southern city of mariupol, ukrainian forces seem to be losing their grip, their shelling's have continued for weeks and heavy fighting have forced a major still planned to shut down. it comes just after russian forces caught off the city from the sea of a's off. and on the western front, a city that was once a safe haven for those escaping conflict has now found itself under attack. on friday, much missiles hit lviv around 6:30 am local time. marking the first strike on that city since this invasion began. that attack was dangerously close to nato's doorstep, which should remind you lviv is only

50 miles from poland's border with ukraine. and that is where we start tonight with nbc's cal perry. cal, it's good to see you again. what do we know about this latest attack on the eve and how the city has responded to this escalation? >> yes, we are actually heard two attacks in the last 24 hours. you have that attack on the airport, but government going out of their way to not provide specifics on really well was hit there they classified as an airport repair facility, they just want to give away more information that they have to. they did let the media really into the area. that camera shot you're seeing is as close as folks were able to get. because of course they don't have the russians to know whether or not these strikes are successful on their target. because in western ukraine where i am, so much of this is about re-supplying the front. about moving both weapons and people to the front, to the east, so for that reason you don't have specifics on what was hit and what was not. those supersonic missiles we actually heard as well.

about 12 hours ago. we heard them as they pass by. we didn't know what it was at the time, but those struck -- that's with the russians claim. again, between where i am in the polish border near of course to that border with nato, amen. >> cal, lviv's, you've told us many times before, has been a safe haven for the thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people fleeing westward from other parts of the country. what's at risk if this idiot self becomes the subject of more attacks? >> you are seeing the city sort of change its posture. we're seeing more sandbags on the street since that attack 24 hours ago. really bracing for future airstrikes, at least trying to limit the damage. but your point, 300,000 folks internally displaced. we think here in this live event area, and many of them sleeping outside. sleeping outside the train station that you are looking at now. of course, many have been absorbed into the community, but this is a community that has run out of room.

and we are seeing that even in cities of poland. 3.3 million refugees in such a short period of time is overwhelming for humanitarian groups. and with these airstrikes, seemingly happening more often in the air raid sirens happening more often as well, it's not just disruptive but of course for the people who are coming from the east where they have seen their homes destroyed, they have seen people get killed, it is terrifying to hear those sirens and go running for cover, even. >> the nbc's cal perry, cal, good to see. you please stay safe, we will touch base with you later in the program. let's go now to nbc's claudio la bungle who's across the border in warsaw, poland for us. you visited a security registration today in warsaw, poland today. what can you tell us about that process is going? we just heard from cal that obviously the numbers increase. but can you see on that side of the border? >> that's, right amen. the polish government has gone to great length to allow, to grant all ukrainian refugees

their permission to stay in the country for at least 18 months without the need to go through an asylum seeking process or any kind of other permit which would've been the case of course because ukraine is not in the european union. we but if they want to do anything from going to work or finding a job, or sending children to school, or have access to medical care, then they need to register for a social security number. and to do that, there is a series of hotspots around the country, especially here in warsaw, and, today the demand is so great because there are more than 2 million refugees from ukraine here in poland, while the demand is so great, they had to turn or transform the main stadium in the city into a massive registration center. we went there this morning and we spoke to one of the volunteers here who are helping out ukrainians through the process and this is but you have to say. >> the cues were enormous,

people came in the morning. for the moment, there is no possibility to do it because there were so many people who are interested. lots of refugees would like to get some jobs, start a new life in poland, that's why they needed so much. >> as that volunteer was saying, ayman, so many people turned up this morning at that stadium. the authorities could not cope. and right after they opened up, there are a few hours later, so many people were queuing up that they had to come back tomorrow. what ayman? >> massive humanitarian undertaking all across ukraine's borders. the cloud you, thank you very much my friend. over the next hour, we will attempt to answer or at least get some clarity on the central question of this war. how does it end, and is there a scenario where by the u.s., ukraine, and russia actually

all aseptic the outcome? we will explore the demands of the two at the center of this, vladimir putin and volodymyr zelenskyy. but first, we will start with what's at stake with the united states. let's discuss this with democratic congressman jim connolly of virginia. he's the member of the house foreign affairs committee. earlier this month, we should, note he was part of a congressional delegation that actually visited ukrainian pulled in border we were just discussing that with our colleagues. congressman, thank you so much for joining us. but talk to us about the role the u.s. should be playing in this process. we obviously know it's supporting and arming the ukrainian people. should it also try to undertake some kind of diplomatic approach with russia to try to end this conflict? >> the i don't think you have to give up on diplomacy. but, diplomacy with russia is not going to work. until putin and his minions

believe that they will lose by an participating -- by participating than not. we have to be prepared for diplomacy and actually pursue it. but meanwhile, we have to raise the cost for russia so that we incentivize them to get to the negotiating table. >> what is the preferred outcome for the u.s.? i don't want to -- i know what we would idealistically like to see. obviously, russia has to withdraw completely. ukraine's full territorial sovereignty. but what is that the u.s. is reeling to accept or whatever some of the red lines that we should not accept? >> certainly, one of the red lines we should not accept and i don't believe presidents let's give ukraine will accept either, is any territorial concession to russia. to do that with a gun at your head is a huge mistake. we've learned from history, that doesn't work. you are not going to satisfy the guy with a gun at your head.

territorial concessions to meet our way but on the red line. that status of ukraine, that his desire to join nato, that may well be negotiable according to zelenskyy. he said that they may be an issue. we have to talk about it at the table. and -- but in terms of russian withdrawal from sovereign territory of ukraine, i think that's a nonnegotiable. they need to withdraw from all of the territory of ukraine and return all of that territory to the sovereignty of the ukrainian government and ukrainian people. >> let me read you a part of a quote from the new york times, if i may. the war in ukraine has prompted the biggest rethinking of american foreign policy since september 11, 2001 attacks. infusing the united states with a new sense of mission and changing its calculus with allies and adversaries alike. we are four weeks into this war,

congressman. do you think that our foreign policy and national security policy needs to be recalibrated given what we've just seen? over the last couple of years, there was a war on terror, than the was the pivot to asia, russia, i would have to, say has not been front and center of our foreign policy. should it be? >> clearly, with respect to security in europe, russia should always have been a source of major concern. not our only concern, but certainly a major concern. and if you look at, for example, nato's current strategic plan, or concept, which is being revived after ten years this year, they still referred to russia as a strategic partner. well, clearly, russia is not a strategic partner, it's a strategic adversary. so rethinking is absolutely called for. i think the end of magical thinking of putin and russia has also occurred with this invasion. so people who were sort of

rationalizing his behavior or he is not really that much of a threat, or we can kind of deal with him, all of that is gone by the wayside. that's just magical thinking or rationalization, enabling behavior, we can no longer of ward. he has clearly shown his colors and what danger he poses to security in 21st century europe, and the good news is, the united states has been able to work with its allies to lead the charge in meeting this challenge and calling it out for what it is. >> so you bring up an interesting point about vladimir putin. let me play for u.s. sound -- secretary of state anthony blinken about the ongoing peace talks between ukraine and russia. going >> we support ukraine's es to try to de-escalate through diplomacy, to reach a cease-fire. and of, course the withdrawal of russian forces. we appreciate the efforts of other countries, including france, germany, israel, turkey, and others.

but, again, from where i sit, diplomacy requires both sides engaging in good faith to de-escalate. and i don't see signs right now that putin has prepared to stop. on the contrary, if you listen to, just for example his most recent remarks yesterday, that suggest that he is moving in the opposite direction. >> so to pick up on the point that you were talking about there about putin showing us his cards, it seems that he's refusing to negotiate in good faith. is diplomatic -- is a diplomatic solution even possible at this point? are we simply wasting our time talking to a man who perhaps is just buying more time? >> the i don't think a diplomatic solution is at hand. i think both sides are looking at where they are on the field, in the air, territorial gains and losses, and the they are striving to shore up their negotiating position with strength.

if -- let's say russia starts to have significant losses, and the cost just get really high, the incentive for them to negotiate something that is the face saving, excuse me, it's going to be front and center. on the other hand, if ukrainians look like they are about to lose it all, being at the negotiating table and cutting the best deal they can, is not front and center for them. negotiations are also a function of where are you on the field. and i think that still very cloudy. and that is why you believe the west strategy and the ukrainian strategy has to be to raise the cost for putin and russia so high that he wants to be at that table, and he wants to cut a deal to basically stand down. >> let me ask you, finally, sir, before i let you, go yeah the president of the nato parliamentary assembly, which is the legislative arm of nato,

presidents let's get, i'm sure you're fully aware, has been critical of the alliance after the refusal to in force a no fly zone, deliver jets to ukraine, and now he says that ukraine should accept that it won't be able to join nato. how has this conflict shaped the alliance? for better or for worse? >> i think putin deserves a lot of credit for solidifying the alliance, as i, said the end of magical thinking about russia and putin and what his intentions are. and the need -- if you were -- the utility of the nato alliance, it's clear, we need nato. the fact, is the difference between now and the 1930s is the neighborhood is different. nato exists, and those boundaries are sacred. and putin dare not violate those boundaries without paying the ultimate price. so i think everybody understands that the alliance

really has significance in the 21st century. and in no less a person then putin recognizes that. i think the nato alliance is providing significant amounts of defensive equipment to the ukrainian people and ukrainian military, with respect to aircraft, i personally believe that those mix should be transferred. whether they are going to be a game-changer or not is a different matter. but i believe we ought to provide everything we can from conventional arsenals, to help the ukrainian military and people defend themselves against this aggression. >> congressman gerry connolly, sir, i greatly appreciate you joining us this evening. >> thank you, ayman. >> coming, up our special look at how this war might end continues with a former u.s. ambassador to ukraine. don't go anywhere. t go anywhere. ♪ ♪

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the senior director of the atlantic councils eurasia center. he's also the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine. sir, thank you so much for joining us. what are the most likely outcomes of this conflict when you begin to game them out? >> them i'll say something which may surprise you. i think the ultimate conflict resolution is going to be a ukrainian victory of some kind. at a minimum, there will be your cranial state in the west of ukraine, which will be substantially fortified by nato in some fashion. in the best of circumstances, there will be a ukraine that looks much the way looked like four weeks ago. russia will retain control, although not necessarily recognized by ukraine or internationally, and crimea and maybe in parts of donbas. perhaps it might involve neutrality, perhaps not. but it will be a guaranteed neutrality if it was a neutrality, an armed

neutrality. but what that means, of course, what i just described, would be a significant defeat for russia. it is true, the first variant where moscow conquers a good portion of ukraine, what you see on the map extending from the northeast luhansk, down to crimea, and maybe to odessa and beyond, even that would be a loss for putin because ukraine remains will not only be sovereign and fully independent and free, but in that case, it will have substantial ties with nato, because nato and the west does not want to see russian troops on the border with romania, hungary, poland, and slovakia. which is what would happen if putin would seize effective control of the country. ukraine is fighting, and fighting well. as long as we continue to provide substantial support of ukraine, we've been slow, even the biden team has been slow, but if we can do better, i think putin might find himself going not much further than he

has already gone. >> what would you say, and i know the official administration's point is ultimately this is a negotiation between ukraine and russia and certainly what ukrainians are willing to accept. you outlined some of them. but let me ask you from a slightly different perspective, what would be a red line for us? what would be something the united states specific lee perhaps broadly speaking, nato or the eu, could not accept as an outcome for this conflict? >> we do not have, sadly, at this point, a real red line. but, as you mentioned, as congressman connally mentioned, this is -- it they're up to people like myself and many others who have been -- with i think now we understand that. and now, understanding it, i suspect a red line for us would wind up being, whether or not we see it, that putin cannot have full control over ukraine's national security

policy, such as he can place forces in ukraine's west, again, right up along the border with four nato nations. for >> i know a major part of the peace talks appears to be that ukraine making a formal declaration of neutrality and accepting limits on its armed forces, would that be a workable condition or with that in itself be a violation of ukrainian sovereignty, and a threat to europe? >> look, ultimately, the decision on the questions like that would be ukraine's, not america's, and certainly not mine as a former official. the with no official status right now. but, i don't think ukraine will agree and i don't think that ukraine will have to agree, and to conditions that make them vulnerable to future russian invasion. with that in mind, it's hard for me to imagine, in fact, ukrainians have said this, that they would not accept disarmament. moscow's already proved to be

unreliable, it's prove to broken province -- including the budapest memorandum, which we saw. so would be suicidal for ukraine to accept it. and they've demonstrated the capacity to fight. the question, is will we be strong enough and not intimidated by putin to send all of the arms ukrainians need in a timely fashion? because we haven't done such a good job thus far in that respect. >> do you think, sir, that we should, the u.s. and the west, be willing to remove sanctions on vladimir putin if he were to end the war immediately with a full withdrawal, or unconditional withdrawal? to what extent should we use our resources and sanctions as leverage to get him to end this war? because the question is going to be, is there going to be a role for vladimir putin in the international community post a ukraine invasion? >> look, the sanctions are every bit as much of a basis for negotiations as russian

territorial segers. so of course, we want to use those sanctions to achieve a fair settlement which respects ukrainian separate sovereignty and territorial integrity. if moscow were to remove all of its troops and maybe restore at least the situation to where it existed, four weeks ago, and of course russia has crimea, and parts of ukraine which -- eastern ukraine, that i think that we should be prepared to consider a removing a fair number of the sanctions. but only a fair number because moscow is still responsible for at least a half a trillion dollars of damage to ukrainian territory, ukrainian assets, and for the death of thousands of ukrainians. and they should certainly pay a high price for that too. maybe the forfeiture of all of their assets that have been frozen in the west has a price. this is something for ukraine to determine. but if i can make one more point, i think we need to make clear that right now, we've seen no flexibility in the russian position. you have on the one side

relatively junior people negotiating, and in those talks, we've heard some interesting and flexible things. but putin, every time he opens his mouth, basically demands unconditional surrender from ukraine. as he did with erdogan just two days ago. so with all this talk about flexibility in the russian position is based upon something which is not quite real. and we should only be able to talk about it, and ukraine should be able to talk about what it's willing to concede when we see serious willingness on putin's part to negotiate. >> i was going to say, as i and others have noted, it does not seem that he's negotiating in good faith at least from what we've seen. the rhetoric is blistered but at the same time the diplomatic maneuvering seems to be buying him more time to continue with this assault. former ukraine ambassador -- former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, john herbst, i appreciate you joining us this evening sir. ahead, how this war ends depends in large part on wet

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key in all of this? let's bring in holden trip with former director for a counterintelligence at the international security council, from 2014 to 2017. he actually let the fbi's beating office, and before that, he was deputy head of the bureau moscow office. it's great to have you with us. thanks so much for joining us. only get your thoughts on what we know about this conversation on friday between president biden and president xi? >> thanks for having me. we don't know a lot of details, but i think based on the intel that was released by the biden administration, i think we can expect that there was a very long conversation about the consequences and, i imagine that will be talking about quickly instances that the u.s. is still on a pretty good to position to levy against china, if they were provide any kind of weapons or assistance to russia. i think it's a little murky or if they are on weapons support, other types of supplies or anything of that sort. but what i think is probably

happening almost for sure is they're getting intelligence support. and when i mean by that is the chinese intelligence services security services were almost for certain providing information to help the russians in terms of their campaign inside ukraine, but also in dealing with the united states and the eu. even though as you said, they're trying to distance themselves from the atrocities happening in ukraine, their number one priority still is to keep u.s. busy, to knock the u.s. off of the leadership role of the world. and so, in that, they're still aligned with the russians and with putin. >> so, let's talk about the hypothetical, if china is involved and does, you know, do something that could potentially draw sanctions from the west, do we really have economic leverage over china? i mean, we often think of china as an economic superpower, and that we are more one ruble to china than china is to us. how would you assess to that reading? >> i mean, there is a lot of

details that are obviously -- but one thing i want people to look at is how much of our gp depends on exports. and how much is it bought from china. and it is not existentially. the total gp, gdp is somewhere around 10%, it depends on exports. that's the majority that goes to mexico and canada. and then there's some amount that's left for china. the reverse, though, is not the case. china depends very heavily on exporting goods to the united states, but to a lot of countries in the world, especially the eu. so in that sense, it is asymmetric. and if the u.s. could actually put very, very painful sanctions on chinese goods, the downside of that of course is the u.s. and the you will have places where we would have the benefit of some of the cheapest coming out of their. there is a lot of u.s. manufacturers that continue to do produce high tech products, low tech products, or sorts of products in china. so, it would accelerate what is a sort of a flow decoupling that's been happening in the last couple of years. wanted we've seen happening in

russia. not to the same extent to be clear, but will actually push a lot to accelerate in certain areas. so it would be painful for us, but i think right now, we are still in a price where would be much painful for china. and because of that, xi jinping is trying to walk a very very fine line here. they don't want to throw a lot into russia, obviously, that is what's going on there is just horrific. it does not help there, intending to become a leader of the world. but in the same time, they certainly don't to be supporting the u.s.. the ideal situation for them is that they see that there is an opening that putin wants to sue for peace, some sort of cease-fire. and they could negotiate it, and it looks like they are the ones who can bring peace to the situation leadership role, rather than the united states. that could be a huge win. >> interesting. let me ask you a question that we've been focusing on this evening, which is how does this war and? i mean, we are lucky to have you on the program tonight because you've been to china.

you have been to russia. you kind of have insider thinking of both of these countries, the decision-making processes. but from your experience, how do you see this war and dying in ukraine, in terms of a possible likely outcome for russia? >> not dwell, unfortunately. i think that based on past actions, and especially in syria and in georgia, he will grind it out. and what i mean by that is you've already seen some targeting of civilians causing panic, causing the refugee crisis to be destabilized. destabilize parts of eastern europe. i think it's part of his playbook. that's how he wants to go. so i don't see, if there is a cease-fire, there is a sort of a peaceful agreement that is negotiated, really to give them more time to, the russians that, is to give them time to reorganize and resupply in a different way. putin is an opportunist, so

he's gonna look for opportunities to increase power. he's made it very very clear that he believes that ukraine and having territorial hold of ukraine is essential for the international security. and he also started to hint that not only ukraine, but belarus in moldova, and that they want nato, all these eastern european countries, -- they want that to change. so there is a lot of rhetoric out there, you can have a hard time containing it with any type of small piece, which brings us back to the donbas and crimea. i think that we are working for a long call on this, and i think we are attempting to cause a crisis in, a humanitarian crisis in order to clear out territory, in order to take back control. >> holden, i gotta ask you one real quick question about china, because i'm sure folks in beijing are watching what happens in ukraine and russia very closely, because of their own ambitions when it comes to taiwan. certainly, the people in taiwan are gonna be watching this. what are the parallels and the

lessons, you think, one should take away either from taiwan's perspective, with a defense of ukraine, and whether or not the u.s. would come to taiwan's defense? or from beijing, saying look how they responded, look how the west responded to what's happened in ukraine. we can't afford that kind of response when it comes to a unified western approach to taiwan. >> yeah, execution of people are asking. i think it's a good one. it's also pretty sick with significant difference between ukraine and taiwan, the situations that they're in. there is a much more strategic ambiguity with regards to how the u.s. would come to the aid of taiwan. i think it has been made clear with actions over the past years and comments recently, of course, with president biden, that it would be a different situation, and that it's most likely have direct involvement by the united states, in some

form or fashion. but as you said, i am sure the chinese are watching this very closely. how are they organizing allies? who the individuals that are responding poorly to this? who are staying neutral? the idea of what will be the sort of knock on effect. i mean, it was a question of how could they take, could they take taiwan, and could they do it quickly? would it be a long bloody drawn out war? and one of the repercussions for them -- and the long run, they would rather see it slowly drift back into beijing's orbit. and if they see that as a trajectory, i think there's little chance of an invasion, if at some point they decide that they're likely to declare independence, or they're losing their grip on it for various reasons, it seems like they felt over the last couple of years, i think it becomes more likely. they certainly won't let it go without a fight, but they're very, very concerned about the long term repercussions for their place in the world. they want to be at the leadership position, and if they handle it poorly, they make it really really hurting their chances.

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announced his intention to send an additional $800 million in security assistance to ukraine. and the scope of the aid packages actually tremendous. it includes some 9000 shoulder mounted anti-tank missiles systems, 800 anti aircraft weapons, 7000 small arms, 20 million rounds of ammunition. and keep in mind that all of this is on top of the 13.6 billion dollar emergency spending plan that was previously approved by congress and signed by the president. our lawmakers should be

commended. russia's invasion of ukraine has spawned one of the greatest humanitarian disasters in generations. and for once, washington managed to put partisan bickering aside, and rise to the challenge. they are presented with a crisis, and they actually tackled it head on. i just can't help but wonder, what if the u.s. responded to all the crises it faces with that same zeal? i mean, think back to 2020, when months and months of political squabbling froze billions of dollars in emergency relief during a once in a lifetime pandemic. as more across the country were overflowing with bodies, lawmakers could not find the collective urgency to do much of anything, except perhaps grandstand on c-span. there's really no need to think back to 2020, though. i mean, consider the host of emergencies that the u.s. is grappling with right now, as i speak. we are in the midst of a

climate crisis. our infrastructure is falling apart. our health care system is on life support. the cost of food is skyrocketing for working families. and to be clear, we still haven't defeated covid-19. and yet, we don't even have sober consensus within the democratic party, on how or if we should address these challenges. forget the republicans for a moment. i mean, remember biden's build back better plan, never even made it to the senate floor for a vote. and part of the reason washington's fast serious action on ukraine's so inspiring is because it is just so unusual. we've come to accept political deadlock as the norm in this country, and we should not do so going forward. americas ukrainian aid packages will do enormous good, and they will provide for millions of refugees who have lost everything. they'll give soldiers on the ground a fighting chance, against russia, and maybe, just maybe, they will remind americans back here at home that their government does

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have still not been granted access to wnba star brittney griner whose intention and russia has now been extended until late may. griner who is from texas was detained on february 17th, after officials claimed they found a vape cartridges allegedly containing hashish oil in her luggage. as she was trying to leave the country. a source told and cdc news that griner is okay, and that she has seen her lucian legal team multiple times a week since she was first detained. joining me now is democratic congresswoman sheila jackson lee of texas. last week, congresswoman lee called britney griner's detention quote, targeted and purposeful. congresswoman, thank you so much for coming back on the program. explain to me what you mean by targeted and purposeful, and what reasons do you have to believe that this was targeted and purposeful? >> good to be with you, thank you for having me. let me just make two points. first of all, in the midst of a murderous rampage led by vladimir putin, who is of course the head of russia. and that is where britney griner is.

secondarily, i want the nation to pray for and not concern for the family and their privacy. and that's what we're trying to do. but i do know that as america has seen persons held around the world, citizens of the united states, it is always the government that has to be engaged actively, enthusiastically, and having these individuals at high priority. i think the point that i want to make, as a lawyer, i do not know the legal system and russia, i do not believe one exists. but i do know that you have many options when someone has, in essence, something you allege that should not be in their luggage. it can be confiscated. you can take it away. and send the person on their way with a reprimand or with a indication to them by way of

order, that they don't come back to russia, or they have some sort of suspension of activity. that is it. there is no allegation that we've been able to detect that indicates that miss griner was in any way with the items they say, part of any large effort, and as well was going to do anything to anyone that would have caused and necessity of her detention. so i argue the point that i hope that putin, russia, we'll hear our prayers, our concern. the recognition that she is a person who will give you the short of her back, an outstanding olympian. and one who has given great joy and excitement to the russian people by playing season after season, with a win and see team. now, why would a person like that be detained? >> you bring up a really good point.

state department spokesperson, ned price, told msnbc this week that russia has an international obligation to allow u.s. consular access to britney griner. do you know anything about why the state department has not been unable to reach her at this point? >> well, there is the plain example of the unfairness and the questioning of the russian system. it is the protocol that only shuns have a right to visit their detained citizens in another country. that's what embassies are for besides other diplomatic reasons. and as of recent, that was not the case. i frankly believe one of the reasons why in meeting with the president, submitted a letter to him, raised her name, there are other hostages or other persons, let me correct that terminology, that is not yet assessed, if that is what she is. let me clearly retract that and

say, other persons who are held. and the clear protocol, the clear international protocol is for those countries to be able to visit their own citizens, frankly, even in the midst of this war, the united states to become more aggressive, and insisting that they're able to see her, to lay eyes on her, to make sure that she's okay. that is a united states citizen, with all the sovereignty of that country, of this country. it would be the same way, even with other countries, with detainees or persons held here in the united states. we are obligated, and we do allow diplomatic representatives of other countries to be able to see them, to be able to communicate with family members here who are in the united states. that is, i think, one of the major issues that the state department now has to activate, and insist that they get to see britney griner. she is hours. and we want the safest return for her as possible.

and the extension to may has no balance to it, from my perspective. i question the words investigation. this is a basketball player who has lived in her country during the time that she played. how much investigation do you need from her? and how much should tv get involved, if she's lived under your very eyes, and done nothing but play with joy and excitement to the russian people? that's when i think is so much of a misrepresentation of what is going on here. and i only hope that the legal team becomes assertive as well on the innocence of miss griner, and that she is returned home immediately. >> yeah, we all agree on that. congresswoman, sheila jackson lee from texas, thanks for coming back on the program, and thanks for updating us on this story. we're gonna continue to follow it in the weeks ahead. >> thank you -- >> show of support for ukraine in space, coming up. space, coming up.

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support might now be described as out of this world. literally. on friday, three russian cosmonauts arrived at the international space station, the first russians to arrive since the start of the invasion. now, when they emerge from their vessels, you see there on their screen, they were wearing

the standard blue uniforms they had and take off. instead, all three cosmonauts had changed into bright yellow suits with blue trimming. matching the colors, of course, of the ukrainian flag. when the cosmonauts were able to talk to their families back on earth, one of the astronauts was asked about the suits. he said, every crew shows their own. now, russia, of course, dismissed the idea that it was a gesture of support, and let's be clear, the astronauts haven't said that it is. so we might never know what the cosmonauts meant, but the coincidence was just too much to ignore for anyone who is watching at home what is watching on earth just 280 miles below. good evening everyone, i'm ayman medina in new york. it's 9 pm here, 3 am in the ukraine capital of kyiv. moscow-backed forces say they