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and all of you from msnbc, welcome. i'm alex witt in new york. president biden will not visit ukraine when traveling to europe this week. new video of the president thid morning. going to brussels for that nato meeting and gathering of the europe pun council in search of a solution to end this crisis. president volodymyr zelenskyy speaking remotely to leadership in israel. negotiations between russia and ukraine are progressing and issues renouncing ap businesses to join nato by ukraine. protection of the russian language in ukraine. also new today, russia claims its used hypersonic missiles the

second straight day. nbc news not able to independently verify that and neither is defense secretary lloyd austin. >> i would not see it as a game changer. i think, again, the reason that he's resorting to using these types of weapons is because he's trying to re-establish some momentum. i don't think that this in and of itself will be a game-changer. running low on precision guided munitions? lack complete confidence in his ability, the ability of his troops to re-establish momentum? but i don't see this in and of itself, again, i cannot confirm or dispute whether or not he's used those weapons. >> while ukrainian western television officials believe russia's ground assault stalled air bombardments are certainly ongoing. new video of an apartment building in kharkiv struck today. survivors have now idea how they

made it out alive. we give in lviv with our reporter. what more do we know about the art school bombed? >> reporter: well, alex, the situation in mariupol grows more and more desperate hour by hour. that strategic port city is essentially in ruins. we've sooner the russians attack a children's hospital, shell churches, destroy buildings. they dropped a bomb on that theater on wednesday where over 1,000 people were sheltering in there and some rescued. many trapped because of heavy fighting and rescue efforts hampered and this morning russians bombed an art school again doubing up as a shelter and so many places are. the mariupol city council say about 400 people in there mostly women, children and elderly. city council says that building

has been completely destroyed. that people are trapped under the rubble there. again, because the situation is so desperate in mariupol and so difficult to get out of there, the city council say they have no numbers on casualties or fatalities right now, and alex, the situation across the country is as bad as mariupol in some places. kyiv is also a desperate place, and all of the people we've interviewed. all the accounts we hear from paints a horrific picture of what's going on. we spoke to a young lady, managed to escape kyiv three days ago. take a listen to what she has to tell us. >> you know what, ask me, like, i don't know. one month ago, if i'm worried about nuclear war, i would think that you are, you know, not right with your head. but now i can say that, i mean, they are capable of anything. they can attack kyiv, usa and

drop the nuke if they want to. >> reporter: and alex, it's hard to call this indiscriminate bombing, because the russians seem to be targeting civilian sites with alarming frequency. and that's really scared people, like the lady we just heard from. they feel like all bets are off in this country and anywhere could be a target. >> vladimir putin and his war on terror is what he is doing. using terrorism tactics to do that. okay. thank you for that. now to nbc's foreign correspondent kobe cobiella joining us from warsaw, poland. word today some cities in poland are reaching or pretty much reached a breaking point with more than 2 million refugees flooding into just that country alone from ukraine. what have you been seeing there? >> reporter: that's right. warsaw, where i am now, is under tremendous strain. talking about tens of thousands of children alone who need to go

to school. need to find places for children, places for families to live. this city has taken in more than 300,000 ukrainian refugees. it's a city of under 2 million. basically the population has grown by 17% in a matter of three weeks. it is putting strain on cities like warsaw, like krakow, and cities beyond like prague in the czechoslovakia republic, but we spoke to the warsaw mayor about this and he said, look, it is vital european countries and beyond show vladimir putin that they're united when it comes to taking care of refugees. take a listen. >> i think that if we want to prove to putin that he lost, because he has greatly, greatly miscalculated. could devise us, he failed.

hit tactics, destabilize europe. if we are organized we are winning on our front. ukrainians are winning on their front and we are winning on our front. what we need to do. to demonstrate to putin the west is backin in force and we can manage the situation. >> reporter: a situation that just continues to spiral, alex. the numbers have slowed. numbers of ukrainian refugees crossing into poland and other neighboring countries over the past couple of days, but united nations workers on the border say they are preparing for another surge. they don't know how many, but they believe that if these humanitarian corridors are opened or established to allow people to es stape, some of these besieged cities, we are going to see another huge surge of thousands, tens of thousands of people coming across the border again. alex? >> well, okay. thank you so much for that. heads up on that, kelly

cobiella. we go to josh letterman from brussels. president biden will be there thursday to meet with nato allies. tee up the expectations for us. >> reporter: there are several needs ukraine has right now, alex, that sort of break down in two buckets. first the humanitarian bucket. all issues kelly described, which we expect president biden and his counterparts will discuss here in europe. then the diplomatic angle to this. how the other countries in the mix are going to react if there is some type of a brokered resolution between russia and ukraine. as we know from some of what has leaked out of those early negotiations, there is serious talk about having other nations be guarantors for ukraine's stability and could involve many nate other nations themselves and what more can be done militarily to help ukraine fight

off russia, particularly when it comes to air and missile defense in the skies. the u.s. looking for ways to make sure ukraine gets the kinds of advanced weapons systems they would need. u.s. ambassador to the united nations linda thomas-greenfield saying all of those will be key issues on the agenda when president biden comes here to brussels. take a listen. >> certainly the purpose of the meeting, consult further with partners and allies on additional actions that we will take to address this aggression, this -- this brutality that the russians are carrying out in ukraine and to see what other measures we might take to increase the pressure. it's also to coordinate our support for our allies, particularly those that are along the border with ukraine to see how we can give them more, more support. so that they can support the people who are coming into their countries.

>> reporter: i have to tell you, alex, i've covered the white house on and off since 2012 and never seen a foreign trip pulled together as quickly as this one has and in fact president biden schedule very much a work in progress including whether he will travel to an additional country, possibly one of ukraine's neighbors dealing with that refugee influx as well as their own safety concerns about russia, but one country he will not be visiting is ukraine according to jen psaki saying the trip is designed to show support for ukraine and unity against russia, but that a trip to ukraine is not in the cards for the president given the security considerations on the ground right now. >> right. jen put it out today. not ukraine on this trip. thank you, josh letterman from brussels. joining me now, igor novokov. turkey's foreign minister said that russian and ukraine nearing

agreement on critical agreements and hopeful for a cease-fire. both sides getting closer, appears, on ukraine announcing ambitions to join nato, demilitarization and protection on the russian language in ukraine. do you believe that? do you think ukraine will agree to these three points? >> well, thank you for having me. first of all, let's look at them separately. as far as the russian language is concerned that's not a problem, because this whole idea that russian speakers are being pressed in ukraine, just, that is fantasy. i'm a russian speaker and famous keynote speaker in ukraine, in western ukraine and never heard a single bad word towards me. not a problem and supported by people of ukraine. demilitarization a difficult one here. because, look. we've suffered major civilian casualties and we have been a

victim of an unprovoked military attack. and if i think having weapons, having our military ready to defend our country is important psychologically first and foremost to the people of ukraine. so that would need some selling to the ukrainian public, and as far as nato is concerned i think, look. we've been doing all within ukraine the last couple of weeks, unfortunately support from nato as an institution is dropping, because, you know, we've been fighting through, you know, to -- enter that open, supposedly open door for a long time now, and, you know, a lot of people see reality between what's happening on the ground in places like mariupol, and lviv and kyiv to the fact we haven't been able to join nato and, therefore, those rockets are flying in. that one is saleable to the ukraine public. >> the second point, demilitarization, a hard sell to

ukrainian people. is it foolish to agree to that, given what vladimir putin has shown he's capable of doing? i mean, imagine if uc huk no military defenses? what would keep him from rolling into ukraine again? should he be trusted not to do that? >> let's have a look at the situation we're kind of faced with now. on one hand we did have a memorandum with the u.s., uk and russia guaranteeing our territory integrity and safetied, and at that clearly hasn't worked for ukraine. same time, look, one of the major reasons that we're incredibly grateful for the fact we actually are still standing and still here is the weapons we've been provided with and we got those weapons from our western allies. i think we can figure out the formula that could guarantee

remilitarization of ukraine or western military support in case russia breaks its promises again in a swift manner. that could work, potentially. look, president zelenskyy was really clear. saying even 1% of, chance of peace, we should try and take it. and, look. i personally -- look, i'm being a realist and being slightly pessimistic as to the outcomes of those negotiations, because by the looks of it, president putin gone all-in and not ending in ukraine or in europe. >> so when it comes to these negotiations, these discussions, igor, the "washington post" reports mixed signals from ukraine's president and his aides, leaving the west confused about his end game. zelenskyy has said ukraine wants peace, but not at any court and vows to fight russia at any cost necessary. same time, progress negotiates with russia. is this mixed messaging or is it

just keeping all options open? so that you can do behind-the-scenes what you really want to do? >> well, look, i keep describing president zelenskyy as the collective portrait of the ukrainian people, and it is true. and you know, he's nothing without the support that people of ukraine give him, and so i don't think that relationship will be destroyed. therefore, i think he's going to stay within the boundaries set by the people and their expectations. those are incredibly clear. people want peace but not at any cost. therefore, no territorial losses for ukraine. those will be unacceptable to people of ukraine. there will be no change to our european course. on course to join europe. definitely not going to change our constitution in anything apart from possibly, you know, statements of ow neutrality. look, let's be realistic. ukraine has always been a neutral country.

i mean, we wanted to be a part of a defense alliance and, you know, what's happening now is actually proving us right about this whole situation, but i wouldn't be too worried that zelenskyy is going to change course and, you know, make deals, some terms from russia that will be unacceptable to partners in the west. we are grateful and you know, we're all in this together. we do realize that. that's important to note. >> something happening today. president zelenskyy addressing leadership in israel. keeping a high pro foale addressing leaders and governments of multiple countries including the u.s. congress and interacting with ukrainians brutalized by the war. visited in a military hospital in kyiv, shaking hands with staff, handing out flowers to that one president. how is his resolve towards the ukraine president?

>> president zelenskyy an incredibly popular presidents and the first, as i describe him, the first human amongst ukraines presidents not a politician. therefore, you know, his actions and his very presence in kyiv is something that kind of gives us hope. so i think president zelenskyy left in first part of war, far worse position than now. an important symbol first and foremost to people of ukraine. >> come back and see me again. appreciate your insights thank you so much. plenty of talk about a no-fly zone over ukraine and one of those for limited is joining me next. does he still believe this or has he changed his mind? is mind?

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of the polish air force to be sent into ukraine. the people of poland, of course, want to make schuur sarin safe. they're only a few miles away from the devastation going on in ukraine. there are other ways for us to provide surface-to-air missiles and air defenses that will keep the russians at bay in terms of their aerial attack. i think there are ways to do this that are consistent with the nato alliance and would not jeopardize expanding this into world war iii or even worse. >> democratic senator dick durbin today supporting the idea of spending fighter jets from poland to help ukraine's military defend its air space instead of creating a no-fly zone. joining me right now, retired u.s. air force general phillip breedlove who served nato supreme allied commander europe from 2013 to 2016 and also commander of u.s. air forces in europe and africa. general, welcome. also glad to have you here, because you are one of two former military generals in favor of a limited no-fly zone

in ukraine. actually signed a letter asking the president to consider doing that. tell me where you agree and disagree with senator durbin and what he just said there? >> well, i'm sorry you didn't have me online to listen to what the senator had said, so i'm not sure what happened there. >> i'll tell you quickly, sir. what he did say, he thinks there are ways to, to protect ukraine airspace. in part by delivering jets to them which we have yet to approve to do. it's not necessarily putting our pilots and planes up over airspace, to monitor a no-fly zone, but the jets part. what do you think about that? >> well, i'm for jets and more, frankly. >> and more? >> need to be moving to them more middle, medium altitude and high altitude defenses they've been asking for s-300s and several nato nations have them

to pass, and i'm in agreement with the senator that there are several things we should be doing. such as the aircraft and others, but to your first point, it's more than two generals now, and i remain in favor of considering a limited humanitarian no-fly zone as we watch the humanitarian disasters unfold and russia still continuing to attack some of these humanitarian quarters when they're in place. i think we need to give serious consideration to how we could better guarantee that humanitarian support. >> general that is something that i think there are few people who have watched any significant amounts of video would disagree from an emotional standpoint. you want to help these humanitarian corridors and the rest, but could that be imposed without potential misinterpretation or problems, things that could develop that

would then exacerbate a war in the skies? >> clearly, there is no way forward in this war without risk. i would offer that the current context of this war is going to increase in risk as mr. putin's forces continue to be frustrated by a determined ukrainian opponent, his frustration is going to rise, and the risk is going to rise. so this is all about managing risk. i think we're going to have to sit back at some point and look at how completely or almost completely the west has been deterred by mr. putin. and yet mr. putin hasn't been deterred at all by the west. we've got to examine how we look at risk and try to turn those tables around. >> so, general what about the notion that the first step in creating something of a no-fly zone is taking out air defense

systems? that means u.s. and nato air strikes potentially on targets inside russia. what are your thoughts on that? >> well, that's a traditional military no-fly zone and that's not what we're proposing. we're proposing a humanitarian no-fly zone whereby rules of engagement of completely different than what you just described. and we can set the rules of engagement to be a possibility of success, but i say again. there is no way forward without risk. doing nothing new now entails risk, more risk, every day. >> according to some british intelligence reports, russia has not achieved air space superiority here. russian aircraft has taken hits from ukrainian military. if that's the case, prospect of a no-fly zone outside the

humanitarian proposal you support, would that be necessary? >> clearly the russian air forces have shown to lack in ability to fly into a challenged airspace. something we thought they could do. what you're seeing now, as you have seen across the last few days, including the attacks lviv, russia aspiring from the black serie, belarus and other places into ukraine because they're having trouble navigating the few remaining surface-to-air capabilities that the ukrainian have. once again, we need to help them give russia a bigger problem in this way. but as we see, again, russia is now flying from just outside of, firing from just outside of ukraine's borders, and that's going to be a problem. >> as a form other air force commander what goes through your mind when you look at russia's air campaign? try to diagnose it and talk about what's working and what's not and why.

>> well, one thing for sure, all air forces understand that s.e.a.d.'s, russia's ability to suppress this is a tough mission. we have specialized units in all air forces of our nation, but most of them being in the u.s. air force, we have specially trained and accomplished teams that do this kind of mission. this is something that we expected russia to be able to do, but what we have not seen is them accomplish that s.e.a.d. mission in ukraine yet. >> you made a point but i want to get specific about fiona hill and others heard putin reference nuclear weapons in conversations with leaders. do you get the sense that that is the reason to your earlier point, that some nato leaders have been intimidated by putin? >> well, i think clearly it is.

mr. putin and his generals often write, and this is an american paraphrase of russian war, it's not perfect. what they talk about is that nuclear weapons are a logical extension of the conventional battlefield. in the west, we see it completely different. we see nuclear weapons and a category separate and we don't see them as a part of the conventional battlefield, but mr. putin knows he cannot stand up against a fully generated nato force and so he uses this, this tool to give us pause, and right now i think that is one of the largest pieces that our leaders are deterred. they are deterred in almost any action. i heard a very senior leader on the news this morning talking about defensive weapons. must have said five times, defensive, defensive, defensive. so i guess the message is, that it's okay for russia to use

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essentially stalled. and it's been, had the effect of moving his force into a wood chipper. ukrainian have continued to trick his horses and effective using equipment we provided them, and armor weapons, anti-armor weapons, anti-aircraft weapons. >> austin saying ukrainians are effectively using the $2 billion of military aid and training. but my next guess says americans may be offering more than meets the eye. joining me, former assistant director forecounterintelligence at the fbi and msnbc national security analyst. welcome. get into this, the biden administration you know pledged an extra $800 million in military aid just this week. has been more explicit than in the past telling the public about the weaponry providing. all of those kinds of details. you're saying there's more to the story. what other support could the u.s. be providing?

>> saying it's quite likely that the intelligence community, not only in the united states, alex, but across the western allies, is providing clandestine assistance here. not in any way to downplay or denigrate the incredible successes militarily of the ukraine military, resilience of the ukraine people, but let's understand something. it's unlikely those successes are entirely on their own and quite likely beneath the surface what we're watching on our television screens every evening, beneath what the u.s. government is admitting to in aid and support, there is a covert aspect to this. espionage spy versus spy, electronic intercepts. don't forget, seen an unprecedented release of what otherwise of highly classified information by president biden attempting successfully i think to get out in front of putin and remind putin we know exactly what you're doing.

then a whole counterspy aspect to this. putin scrambling to plug the holes and leakage occurring in his communications, and among his military leaders, trying to get people to defect denith the surface. flip them. recruit them for us and the 500-pound gorilla of president's power i refer to in my article. the thing called a covert action article. the most sensitive a u.s. president can do in limited callation with the gang of eight in congress, the speaker, house intelligence and senate intelligence leaders, allowing a president, again, very sensitive. never know what happens if this is happening. will happen or has already happened. allows the president to tell the cia and other aspects of the intel committee do things deniable and never attributed to the united states. that is a better than 50% chance that's happening or has already happened. >> got to tell you, my mind is

racing thinking about that potential but not mine you what it could be, because it's not appropriate given how separate, top secret that has to be's hindsight in 2020. when president biden was articulating, here what we know and giving away that which we never used to do. give away secrets or talk about certain aspects of intelligence, a lot of people dropped think jaws on that. this isn't the thing to do. you're suggesting this worked well? you think this has been a successful tactic of the president? >> i think so. first i think it had to be done publicly. really, to message the western allies and nato as well as ukraine. you recall president zelenskyy was reticent to accept this bad news. you're kidding? you really think he's doing it imminently? it's coming? we needed to see do that, share it publicly in a sense of shaming the allies into doing

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right now, judge ketanji brown jackson and the senate preparing for historic conformation hearings that begin tomorrow. a few republicans senate they could attack her record as a public defender. joining us from capitol hill, welcome to you on this sunday. how contentious do you expect the hearings to get? >> reporter: alex, this confirmation hearing process is already looking drastically different from the most recent one we can compare it to. which is judge amy coney barrett's confirmation which drew a lot of criticism and scrutiny from democratic senators. judge jackson already met with dozens of senators, many of them republicans, since she was nominated and the general consensus after their meetings

have been positive. they've all said that you can't question her record, her resume. that she is definitely experienced. they've said that there is a good chance she'll be confirmed even senate minority leader mitch mcconnell says that although stopped short how he'll vote. we're keeping our eye on 2024 presidential hopefuls trying to use this to their advantage. one is gop senator josh hawley come out recently attacking judge jackson for her record, her criminal defense record calling her soft on crime. specifically referencing nearly a dozen child pornography cases that she's tried, in addition to slamming the fact that she represented detainees at guantanamo bay. senate judiciary chairman dick durbin reacted to these attacks earlier. listen here. >> there's no truth to what he

says, and he's part of a fringe within the republican party. this was the man who was fist thumping the murderous noob descended on the capitol on january 6th of the last year. he doesn't have the credibility he thinks he does. >> reporter: so alex, the tone questioning that republicans have set for this definitely has some democrats bracing for what we can expect to see later on this week. >> here's a question -- democrats have exactly zero votes to spare in a 50/50 senate they run by virtue of the tie-breaking vote of vice president harris. are there any indications that some democrats might oppose her appointment? >> reporter: so from what we're hearing so far from the democrats, she's met with, that is, that's very, very unlikely. as you said, needs 50 democratic votes for this confirmation. it's likely that she gets all of them. remember, this is the, this is going to be the fourth time she has appeared before the senate

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infrastructure committees. he also served four tours in iraq. before i move to that hypersonic missile, the is what jen psaki tweeted in the last hour or so, indicating president biden won't visit ukraine when he goes to europe, and of course, there are huge security concerns so it's understandable from that point of view, but do you think he should visit ukraine? >> no, i think he's making the right call. i think that visiting ukraine at this point would for him be largely showmanship. obviously, there are a lot of heroes over there fighting it out, but that's not the role of the president of the united states. if anything were to happen to him, it would create more turmoil when we need a concerted effort to make sure russia doesn't win this war. >> makes sense. let me ask you about the claims of russia using hypersonic missiles. how concerning is that if it's

true? >> it's concerning because this is a way that russia is slowly escalating the war. and hypersonic missiles are dangerous because in the russian version, they can carry both conventional and nuclear weapons. nuclear warheads. you don't know what that missile is carrying when it's launched. it's one of the reasons why i think hypersonic missiles are fundamentally destabilizing. they're weapons we think about in a strateging sense, as a counter to the intercontinental ballistic missiles we are used to talking about when we talk about the nuclear standoff between countries like russia and america. so hypersonic weapons used in a conflict like this in ukraine. they don't need to use them. he's using them to show off russian power, and that's dangerous. >> it was explained to me on the broadcast yesterday that the united states has no way to deter the use of these missiles. that nobody, in fact, does.

is that true? so these things can get launched and there's no way to stop them? and they move five times the speed of sound. >> that's right. look, they move very fast. to put this in perspective, though, what makes them dangerous is not their speed. everyone thinks they're faster than every other missile on earth. actually, the traditional intercontinental ballistic missiles are faster, but hypersonic missiles, you can't detect them. these are strategic weapons that we only deter by threatening to use something in retaliation. in other words, if a russian intercontinental bulisting missile or hypersonicmalistic missile were launched, we wouldn't be able to tell, but we would be able to launch a retaliatory missile in response. when putin decides to use a

weapon like this, a strategic weapon in a tactical situation in ukraine when frankly he could have used any other missile, it indicates he's trying to escalate this conflict. he's putting nato on edge, raising the stakes, and this is what we have been concerned about all the time. this is the line that biden is trying to walk here. how to pressure putin without escalating the war. >> which i think you have just definitely voiced one of the major talking points in brussels on thursday. let me ask you about the reports of russia's military, that it's stalled, that it's losing morale. a new article in fortune says if the russian army doesn't start moving soon, it's really screwed. what's your assessment of russia's military strategy up to this point and do you see this war dragging out as a result? >> look, you're absolutely right. this war is going to drag out. and the fact that the russian military has been stalled outside these cities for a couple weeks now indicates that they're in real trouble.

they're having trouble just getting basic logistics like food and water to the front lines, let alone ammunition. >> let me ask, before you go further, is that because of sanctions or is that because of really bad planning on moscow's part? >> no, it's not the sanctions. it's the fact that the russian military is not as capable as we expected them to be. you know, there's a phrase that, you know, elementary folks talk tactics but real folks tonlogistics. how do you sustain the troops at the front? it's hard to do. when i was invading iraq with the united states marines, we're very proud of being the best military force in the world, and yet there was a time when the entire united states military in the iraq invasion was running low on food. we used to get three mres, those meals ready to eat every single day. i remember when we went for weeks with only one. i lost a lot of weight. it was tough. this is what's happening to the

russian military right now, but on such a grand scale that they can't even keep advancing. we kept advancing toward baghdad even though we got low on food and at one point even low on ammunition. they're completely stopped. and i think, alex, they don't actually have enough combat power to go in and take over a city like kyiv. you need a lot of troops to fight in urban warfare. those troops right now are sitting ducks. they're getting picked off. they're running low on food. they have to be low on morale. and if they actually get the order to enter a city like kyiv, they're going to start getting torn apart by the ukrainian resistance. everyone is talking about how brutal this will be for ukrainian civilians and make no mistake, putin has shown he will deliberately target civilians and a lot of innocent ukrainians will die if russian troops go into the major cities, but there are a lot of russian troops who will die too. i don't think the russian

military is prepared for that right now. >> my producer is telling me we have to go, but i have to ask the last question. that being, if this gets back to the russian people, and that is debatable given the way they are not telling the truth of what's happening on the ground in ukraine, do you think that there's any chance the russian military will revolt and say, we can't win this war, what are we sacrificing for? >> look, not on a large scale. i wouldn't expect, but on a small scale, it can happen. and sometimes it's not even a formal revolt. it's just the troops stop trying. you know, they don't take risks that they don't want to take. this is exactly what we should be instigating, and in fact, i have on the show said we need to be communicating this to the russian people directly. how badly this war is going. i think i would add to that now, we should be trying to talk directly to the russian troops. we have the capability to get into their smartphones to speak to them directly and undermine their morale even further.

that's something that should be happening as the war goes on because they're really at risk right now, the russian military is falling apart. >> massachusetts congressman seth moulton, spellbienlding chat because of your experience and sharing it with us. thank you. >> for the first time today in a u.s. interview, we heard from that russian television editor who protested the war during a live broadcast. you're going to want to hear exactly what drove her to do it, and it's a very interesting take. that's ahead. with pronamel repair toothpaste, we can help actively repair enamel in its weakened state. it's innovative. my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair. life... doesn't stop for diabetes. be ready for every moment, with glucerna. it's the number one doctor recommended brand that is scientifically designed to help manage your blood sugar. live every moment. glucerna. this is vuity™, the first and only fda approved eye-drop that improves age-related blurry near vision.

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